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Sloads: The Death of Build Diversity

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    Xsorus wrote: »
    Vapirko wrote: »
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    Everyone who posts Sloads Damage screens ignores the fact that if it wasn't sloads killing ya it would be something else on the damage screen instead. That's why dots themselves are very deceiving on that death recap.

    Maybe, but it shows it’s prevalence, and imo there are two things that I can feel eating away at my health no matter what class I play: sloads and master dw rend slashes bleeds. The master dw is worse only because you can get several bleeds to stack at once.

    if you run across someone with Masters DW, Sloads aint killing you, its the massive bleeds that will...He could run something else like Blood Drinker and ruin your damn day.

    Sorry don’t think I was clear. I didn’t mean sloads and master dw in tandem (although I shudder to think anout it) I meant either/or.
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    Vapirko wrote: »
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    welcome to non cp BG
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    Why is it always going for 7 ticks? Shouldn’t it be 6?

    @Vapirko
    There is a first tick when the DoT is applied. After that you´ll get the remaining 6 ticks.....
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    Lexxypwns wrote: »
    Change the 2-4 pc to be less appealing and it’s not longer meta for Magika specs.

    @BohnT Zaan, Caluurion, and arguably Surge are superior procs

    Only things wrong with sload is the synergy it has with defiles and bleeds and the inability to counter it reliably, particularly when proc’ed from 2 or more sources.

    It is however reducing build diversity because the 2-4 are amazing and the 5pc combined with the excellent synergy with the meta

    Oh i know that Zaan, Caluurion’s, skoria and Surge are all critical, yes skoria is as well.
    Skoria deals good damage, I've been hit with 6k skorias in Non-CP with a non vampire (chaosball) and I've hit people for 7k skorias in Non-CP and in cp i hit people with 3-5k all the time, that's ridiculous for a free damage set that's undodgeable, deals burst damage and has a low cooldown.
    Also saying you have to focus on dots for skoria to work is BS. Magplar, Magdk, Magwarden, Magnb, DW stamsorc; stamplar; stamdk can all equip skoria and see ridiculous results without having to change a single ability.


    All these sets need to be drastically nerfed to have the same easy, non resource draining counterplay sets like selene, widowmaker or tremorscale received.
    Meaning all get a cooldown and become AoEs that you can simply walk out of.
    For Zaan and Surge it works like this:
    Zaan spawns a Ball if fire that creates a beam to the enemy hit with the LA that procced it, the Ball is stationary and has a 8m radius, if you break the beam by walking out of range it's gone.

    Surge spawns a stationary Ball of electricity that sparks the closest enemy it continues to spark players if they reenter the circle.

    Caluurion’s has to receive the viper treatment (becoming a dot) and the visual cue is now on the target rather than the caster to ease the counterplay.

    Skoria works like tremorscale, selene etc, it procs, creates an AoE and then the meteor comes in, a visual cue doesn't help because even if you know it's coming you still can't do anything about it on 3-5 classes except to block it which reduces your resources just because he's using one set, he didn't do anything special his build wouldn't do but he gets to deal free burst damage and pressure your stamina bar..

    Sloads needs a total rework, oblivion damage simply shouldn't exist, there are 4 sets that deal /increase / dealt oblivion damage and all of them are/ were too strong.

    Shieldbreaker deals 3.5k dps on an enemy that's actively defending himself, you shouldn't get punished by this amount of damage for using counterplay (defending yourself)

    Destructive mage once dealt oblivion damage (8k as burst iirc) it was absolutely ridiculous what 2 people using this set with a resto / lightning staff could do

    Infused torugs on the pts was well, let's not talk about that time

    Sloads is used by almost any build in Bergama on Pc EU, that's where the bleed meta has been around for 1.5 years now and where cancer meets Aids to fight vs gonorrhoe and Cholera.
    It's just flat out op if there is a single player on one side of the fight, it's free damage that gives you way too easy time fighting 3 specs while making it more easy fighting 6 of the 7 other specs.
    Edited by BohnT on June 21, 2018 10:34AM
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    Vapirko wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
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    Sloads is that set does weak damage compared to the other proc sets, and that hardly anyone uses. And yet is QQ'd about constantly.

    Some people just hate slotting a heal that much eh?

    sloads has become the great divide between experienced and inexperienced players. Those defending use weak arguments and propose sets and builds that would only work in a zerg, or, in their infinite wisdom, tell people to slot heals. They tell you to stop trying to 1vX. Sloads is the “flag” of a new generation of PvPers who think balance means you can’t fight more than one person at a time if you’re solo. I fear that what ZOS decides to do about this set will inficate once and for all whether they’re dedicated to balance or catering to the masses who don’t want skill to be a part of PvP.

    @Daus if Sloads is so weak and no one uses it as you say, then why do you care if it gets nerfed further since it’s obviously of no use to you.

    Actually I don't care whether or not it gets nerfed. It would honestly just *** me off if they nerf such a weak set because a bunch of magSorcs and cloak dependent Nightblades whine about it when you have Zaan, Caluurion, and Skoria which are by far worse. Truthfully I think they all should get gutted. Proc sets are terrible for PvP, and have always been.

    Skoria isn’t worse.

    It is against medium armor builds. 4k instant burst is much more detrimental that 6k over 6-7 seconds.

    @Daus wrong again. Skoria is blockable (and possibly dodgeable?) and only proc on dots, so its only useful to a handful of classes and builds. Oh and guess what? You can purge it to stop the effect apparently which I believe you have been suggesting Sloads users do.

    How are you going to tell me wrong again when it's obvious you've never played on a medium armored character. Also you don't need to stack DoTs in order to utilize Skoria; entropy alone will suffice. And no, I haven't been suggesting for people to purge Sloads. Out-healing it is easy enough.
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    Daus wrote: »
    Lexxypwns wrote: »
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    Vapirko wrote: »
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    Sloads is that set does weak damage compared to the other proc sets, and that hardly anyone uses. And yet is QQ'd about constantly.

    Some people just hate slotting a heal that much eh?

    sloads has become the great divide between experienced and inexperienced players. Those defending use weak arguments and propose sets and builds that would only work in a zerg, or, in their infinite wisdom, tell people to slot heals. They tell you to stop trying to 1vX. Sloads is the “flag” of a new generation of PvPers who think balance means you can’t fight more than one person at a time if you’re solo. I fear that what ZOS decides to do about this set will inficate once and for all whether they’re dedicated to balance or catering to the masses who don’t want skill to be a part of PvP.

    @Daus if Sloads is so weak and no one uses it as you say, then why do you care if it gets nerfed further since it’s obviously of no use to you.

    Actually I don't care whether or not it gets nerfed. It would honestly just *** me off if they nerf such a weak set because a bunch of magSorcs and cloak dependent Nightblades whine about it when you have Zaan, Caluurion, and Skoria which are by far worse. Truthfully I think they all should get gutted. Proc sets are terrible for PvP, and have always been.

    Skoria isn’t worse.

    It is against medium armor builds. 4k instant burst is much more detrimental that 6k over 6-7 seconds.

    Except you can tap block Skoria. In an actual fight Sload will do almost double the damage of skoria even if you don’t block skoria
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    Jurand80 wrote: »
    welcome to non cp BG
    sload_noncp.jpg

    Why is it always going for 7 ticks? Shouldn’t it be 6?

    No, it ticks instantly on application then 1 tick per second for 6 seconds
    Edited by Lexxypwns on June 21, 2018 11:01AM
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    Daus wrote: »
    Vapirko wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    Lexxypwns wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    Vapirko wrote: »
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    Sloads is that set does weak damage compared to the other proc sets, and that hardly anyone uses. And yet is QQ'd about constantly.

    Some people just hate slotting a heal that much eh?

    sloads has become the great divide between experienced and inexperienced players. Those defending use weak arguments and propose sets and builds that would only work in a zerg, or, in their infinite wisdom, tell people to slot heals. They tell you to stop trying to 1vX. Sloads is the “flag” of a new generation of PvPers who think balance means you can’t fight more than one person at a time if you’re solo. I fear that what ZOS decides to do about this set will inficate once and for all whether they’re dedicated to balance or catering to the masses who don’t want skill to be a part of PvP.

    @Daus if Sloads is so weak and no one uses it as you say, then why do you care if it gets nerfed further since it’s obviously of no use to you.

    Actually I don't care whether or not it gets nerfed. It would honestly just *** me off if they nerf such a weak set because a bunch of magSorcs and cloak dependent Nightblades whine about it when you have Zaan, Caluurion, and Skoria which are by far worse. Truthfully I think they all should get gutted. Proc sets are terrible for PvP, and have always been.

    Skoria isn’t worse.

    It is against medium armor builds. 4k instant burst is much more detrimental that 6k over 6-7 seconds.

    @Daus wrong again. Skoria is blockable (and possibly dodgeable?) and only proc on dots, so its only useful to a handful of classes and builds. Oh and guess what? You can purge it to stop the effect apparently which I believe you have been suggesting Sloads users do.

    How are you going to tell me wrong again when it's obvious you've never played on a medium armored character. Also you don't need to stack DoTs in order to utilize Skoria; entropy alone will suffice. And no, I haven't been suggesting for people to purge Sloads. Out-healing it is easy enough.

    @Daus well I hate to do this to you, but wrong again. I began by maining a stam DK, then a stam sorc (which remains a regular), then warden. I’ve also played stam NB and stamina Templar though i don’t care for the playstyle of NB and jabs is awful when you play with 300 ping. Up until a couple of days my stam sorc was a dw medium armor build with alchemist and bone pirates. I’ve made a post or two myself about the fact that medium needs help, and have always spoken against proc sets. Imo many should be removed from the game, some like bloodspawn, shadow rend, engine guardian etc, I have no issue with. I’m not coming at this Sloads issue with no experience. In addition to every stam class, I’ve also tried magplar, magicka NB and now mag sorc which I like for obvious reasons. I’ve played light medium and heavy and both mag and stam against Sloads and though Skoria is strong it doesn’t, imo, rival how Sloads works mainly because it procs less and can be blocked. What I don’t understand is, if you don’t like proc sets why do you keep coming to the defense of Sloads? You say you don’t care if it gets nerfed, but you’re quite vocal in saying it’s fine.
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    Vapirko wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
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    Daus wrote: »
    Lexxypwns wrote: »
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    Vapirko wrote: »
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    Sloads is that set does weak damage compared to the other proc sets, and that hardly anyone uses. And yet is QQ'd about constantly.

    Some people just hate slotting a heal that much eh?

    sloads has become the great divide between experienced and inexperienced players. Those defending use weak arguments and propose sets and builds that would only work in a zerg, or, in their infinite wisdom, tell people to slot heals. They tell you to stop trying to 1vX. Sloads is the “flag” of a new generation of PvPers who think balance means you can’t fight more than one person at a time if you’re solo. I fear that what ZOS decides to do about this set will inficate once and for all whether they’re dedicated to balance or catering to the masses who don’t want skill to be a part of PvP.

    @Daus if Sloads is so weak and no one uses it as you say, then why do you care if it gets nerfed further since it’s obviously of no use to you.

    Actually I don't care whether or not it gets nerfed. It would honestly just *** me off if they nerf such a weak set because a bunch of magSorcs and cloak dependent Nightblades whine about it when you have Zaan, Caluurion, and Skoria which are by far worse. Truthfully I think they all should get gutted. Proc sets are terrible for PvP, and have always been.

    Skoria isn’t worse.

    It is against medium armor builds. 4k instant burst is much more detrimental that 6k over 6-7 seconds.

    @Daus wrong again. Skoria is blockable (and possibly dodgeable?) and only proc on dots, so its only useful to a handful of classes and builds. Oh and guess what? You can purge it to stop the effect apparently which I believe you have been suggesting Sloads users do.

    How are you going to tell me wrong again when it's obvious you've never played on a medium armored character. Also you don't need to stack DoTs in order to utilize Skoria; entropy alone will suffice. And no, I haven't been suggesting for people to purge Sloads. Out-healing it is easy enough.

    @Daus well I hate to do this to you, but wrong again. I began by maining a stam DK, then a stam sorc (which remains a regular), then warden. I’ve also played stam NB and stamina Templar though i don’t care for the playstyle of NB and jabs is awful when you play with 300 ping. Up until a couple of days my stam sorc was a dw medium armor build with alchemist and bone pirates. I’ve made a post or two myself about the fact that medium needs help, and have always spoken against proc sets. Imo many should be removed from the game, some like bloodspawn, shadow rend, engine guardian etc, I have no issue with. I’m not coming at this Sloads issue with no experience. In addition to every stam class, I’ve also tried magplar, magicka NB and now mag sorc which I like for obvious reasons. I’ve played light medium and heavy and both mag and stam against Sloads and though Skoria is strong it doesn’t, imo, rival how Sloads works mainly because it procs less and can be blocked. What I don’t understand is, if you don’t like proc sets why do you keep coming to the defense of Sloads? You say you don’t care if it gets nerfed, but you’re quite vocal in saying it’s fine.

    So it's a lack of observation then. Okay, well just so you know for future reference Skoria is undodgeable, and if you actually hear Skoria proc before it hits you then your server performance is better than mine.

    As far as why I "defend it" I've already addressed this in a previous comment.
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    Daus wrote: »
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    Lexxypwns wrote: »
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    Vapirko wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    Sloads is that set does weak damage compared to the other proc sets, and that hardly anyone uses. And yet is QQ'd about constantly.

    Some people just hate slotting a heal that much eh?

    sloads has become the great divide between experienced and inexperienced players. Those defending use weak arguments and propose sets and builds that would only work in a zerg, or, in their infinite wisdom, tell people to slot heals. They tell you to stop trying to 1vX. Sloads is the “flag” of a new generation of PvPers who think balance means you can’t fight more than one person at a time if you’re solo. I fear that what ZOS decides to do about this set will inficate once and for all whether they’re dedicated to balance or catering to the masses who don’t want skill to be a part of PvP.

    @Daus if Sloads is so weak and no one uses it as you say, then why do you care if it gets nerfed further since it’s obviously of no use to you.

    Actually I don't care whether or not it gets nerfed. It would honestly just *** me off if they nerf such a weak set because a bunch of magSorcs and cloak dependent Nightblades whine about it when you have Zaan, Caluurion, and Skoria which are by far worse. Truthfully I think they all should get gutted. Proc sets are terrible for PvP, and have always been.

    Skoria isn’t worse.

    It is against medium armor builds. 4k instant burst is much more detrimental that 6k over 6-7 seconds.

    @Daus wrong again. Skoria is blockable (and possibly dodgeable?) and only proc on dots, so its only useful to a handful of classes and builds. Oh and guess what? You can purge it to stop the effect apparently which I believe you have been suggesting Sloads users do.

    How are you going to tell me wrong again when it's obvious you've never played on a medium armored character. Also you don't need to stack DoTs in order to utilize Skoria; entropy alone will suffice. And no, I haven't been suggesting for people to purge Sloads. Out-healing it is easy enough.

    @Daus well I hate to do this to you, but wrong again. I began by maining a stam DK, then a stam sorc (which remains a regular), then warden. I’ve also played stam NB and stamina Templar though i don’t care for the playstyle of NB and jabs is awful when you play with 300 ping. Up until a couple of days my stam sorc was a dw medium armor build with alchemist and bone pirates. I’ve made a post or two myself about the fact that medium needs help, and have always spoken against proc sets. Imo many should be removed from the game, some like bloodspawn, shadow rend, engine guardian etc, I have no issue with. I’m not coming at this Sloads issue with no experience. In addition to every stam class, I’ve also tried magplar, magicka NB and now mag sorc which I like for obvious reasons. I’ve played light medium and heavy and both mag and stam against Sloads and though Skoria is strong it doesn’t, imo, rival how Sloads works mainly because it procs less and can be blocked. What I don’t understand is, if you don’t like proc sets why do you keep coming to the defense of Sloads? You say you don’t care if it gets nerfed, but you’re quite vocal in saying it’s fine.

    So it's a lack of observation then. Okay, well just so you know for future reference Skoria is undodgeable, and if you actually hear Skoria proc before it hits you then your server performance is better than mine.

    As far as why I "defend it" I've already addressed this in a previous comment.

    To be honest, I feel like you’re having a tough time in PvP and are frustrated at the lag more than anything else and I get that. I can’t really help you there, best of luck with everything
    Daus wrote: »
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    Daus wrote: »
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    Lexxypwns wrote: »
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    Sloads is that set does weak damage compared to the other proc sets, and that hardly anyone uses. And yet is QQ'd about constantly.

    Some people just hate slotting a heal that much eh?

    sloads has become the great divide between experienced and inexperienced players. Those defending use weak arguments and propose sets and builds that would only work in a zerg, or, in their infinite wisdom, tell people to slot heals. They tell you to stop trying to 1vX. Sloads is the “flag” of a new generation of PvPers who think balance means you can’t fight more than one person at a time if you’re solo. I fear that what ZOS decides to do about this set will inficate once and for all whether they’re dedicated to balance or catering to the masses who don’t want skill to be a part of PvP.

    @Daus if Sloads is so weak and no one uses it as you say, then why do you care if it gets nerfed further since it’s obviously of no use to you.

    Actually I don't care whether or not it gets nerfed. It would honestly just *** me off if they nerf such a weak set because a bunch of magSorcs and cloak dependent Nightblades whine about it when you have Zaan, Caluurion, and Skoria which are by far worse. Truthfully I think they all should get gutted. Proc sets are terrible for PvP, and have always been.

    Skoria isn’t worse.

    It is against medium armor builds. 4k instant burst is much more detrimental that 6k over 6-7 seconds.

    @Daus wrong again. Skoria is blockable (and possibly dodgeable?) and only proc on dots, so its only useful to a handful of classes and builds. Oh and guess what? You can purge it to stop the effect apparently which I believe you have been suggesting Sloads users do.

    How are you going to tell me wrong again when it's obvious you've never played on a medium armored character. Also you don't need to stack DoTs in order to utilize Skoria; entropy alone will suffice. And no, I haven't been suggesting for people to purge Sloads. Out-healing it is easy enough.

    @Daus well I hate to do this to you, but wrong again. I began by maining a stam DK, then a stam sorc (which remains a regular), then warden. I’ve also played stam NB and stamina Templar though i don’t care for the playstyle of NB and jabs is awful when you play with 300 ping. Up until a couple of days my stam sorc was a dw medium armor build with alchemist and bone pirates. I’ve made a post or two myself about the fact that medium needs help, and have always spoken against proc sets. Imo many should be removed from the game, some like bloodspawn, shadow rend, engine guardian etc, I have no issue with. I’m not coming at this Sloads issue with no experience. In addition to every stam class, I’ve also tried magplar, magicka NB and now mag sorc which I like for obvious reasons. I’ve played light medium and heavy and both mag and stam against Sloads and though Skoria is strong it doesn’t, imo, rival how Sloads works mainly because it procs less and can be blocked. What I don’t understand is, if you don’t like proc sets why do you keep coming to the defense of Sloads? You say you don’t care if it gets nerfed, but you’re quite vocal in saying it’s fine.

    So it's a lack of observation then. Okay, well just so you know for future reference Skoria is undodgeable, and if you actually hear Skoria proc before it hits you then your server performance is better than mine.

    As far as why I "defend it" I've already addressed this in a previous comment.

    @daus yes someone made me aware that skoria isn’t dodgeable, thanks. Anyway, I still don’t really understand how you can defend sloads but aren’t ok with other proc sets. Anyway good luck with your mag sorc troubles, although I have to say it sounds like the lag is getting to you more than anything else. What usuly helps me in that situation is to leave ESO for a week and come back to it, or level up an entirely different toon. It seems like you play stamina tempalr or sorc maybe? Try leveling a magicka sorc or maybe a magicka NB depending on your play style, do a little PvE for a bit. Play some under 50 BGs which usually lack proc sets, especially monster sets, and can be a lot of fun. Not only will it refresh you but it’s really good to gain some perspective from the other side.
  • The_Protagonist
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    Derra wrote: »
    No my solution is 1.7k + health regen

    defile says hello.

    everyone i´ve fought that thought sload was fine bc of healthrec/hots revisited their statement after fighting perma defile coupled with it.

    In my experience not everyone uses major/minor defile, it is used by more experienced players though, I certainly don't and I have still manged to kill a few tanky players.

    But come to think of it, I should start using this mechanic too, would makes fights a little shorter.
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    Aedaryl wrote: »
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    Sloads isnt an issue 1v1. Its just getting hit by 4 people using this set is a death sentence. I'm sick of seeing it on my death recap from a bunch of no skill zergling idiots.

    Exactly. What we have is a divide between the people who don't think you should be able to survive (or emerge victorious from) a 1v4, and the people who actually have experience in PvP and have become successful at it who know that it is and should be possible in a skill based game. Sloads is a major weight on that scale towards the people who don't think it should be possible. When people say "Sloads doesnt bother me" or "it never shows up in my death recap" it indicates basically one thing at that is that they stick to large groups primarily in Cyrodiil and probably mostly engage in large groups running over keeps or defending keeps with little open world play in between, because even a magicka templar will get ripped by a few sloads users 1vX. The constant purging needed would almost certainly be an end to their resource pool. In other words, the people who say Sloads isn't an issue are pretty much engaging in PvP on a one dimensional level, which leaves no room for veteran players to push themselves or find new ways to enjoy the game other than zerging down keeps. Sloads defenders can't understand why this set needs to be nerfed because they have not yet (and may never) reach a place where they want to branch out.

    Your assumptions are incorrect...

    Sloads not showing up on my death recap does NOT mean that one is sticking to large groups; I personally either solo or do very small groups most of the time for example...

    Sloads not showing up on my death recap is the result of me intelligently picking my battles and staying away from the zergs...


    You guys and your assumptions...

    @TheDoomsdayMonster BS. If you truly solo or small scale, and not just zerg surf or run from resource to resource avoiding combat then there’s no way you don’t run into sloads issues, and you must never set foot in BGs. It’s just not possible. Very very few people truly run solo. Solo doesn’t mean not grouped, it means fighting without a single other faction mate in sight. Again, waiting on those “easy mode” 1vX vids.

    Believe what you want...

    I really don't care...

    And no I don't do Battlegrounds...ever...if you got the option to pick your gamemode then maybe, but other than Death Match, I don't care for any of the other game modes.

    I do Imperial City more often than not, so yeah, I do often fight without another faction mate in sight...


    But please, keep spouting off your ignorant assumptions...

    If you actually play ESO since summerset, you would found you can CHOOSE to only queue for deadmatch.

    You don't read patch notes.

    The only reason you don't have sload on recap is you don't play this game.

    Sload is everywhere on PC EU.

    I did Battlegrounds when it was 1st introduced for a few days before turning away from it, and briefly again when they introduced Chaos Ball...

    I haven't been back since, so I wouldn't know that you can now que up for a game mode of your choosing...


    I always read the patch notes, but admittedly, I only focus on what interests me and what I feel would be relevant to my gameplay experience...

    I don't care for Battlegrounds, so I just skim over it...


    And I do play this game and have encountered Sloads; I'm not impressed by it...

    There are other sets (like Zaan's) that I feel are much more powerful...
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    Vapirko wrote: »
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    Sloads isnt an issue 1v1. Its just getting hit by 4 people using this set is a death sentence. I'm sick of seeing it on my death recap from a bunch of no skill zergling idiots.

    Exactly. What we have is a divide between the people who don't think you should be able to survive (or emerge victorious from) a 1v4, and the people who actually have experience in PvP and have become successful at it who know that it is and should be possible in a skill based game. Sloads is a major weight on that scale towards the people who don't think it should be possible. When people say "Sloads doesnt bother me" or "it never shows up in my death recap" it indicates basically one thing at that is that they stick to large groups primarily in Cyrodiil and probably mostly engage in large groups running over keeps or defending keeps with little open world play in between, because even a magicka templar will get ripped by a few sloads users 1vX. The constant purging needed would almost certainly be an end to their resource pool. In other words, the people who say Sloads isn't an issue are pretty much engaging in PvP on a one dimensional level, which leaves no room for veteran players to push themselves or find new ways to enjoy the game other than zerging down keeps. Sloads defenders can't understand why this set needs to be nerfed because they have not yet (and may never) reach a place where they want to branch out.

    Your assumptions are incorrect...

    Sloads not showing up on my death recap does NOT mean that one is sticking to large groups; I personally either solo or do very small groups most of the time for example...

    Sloads not showing up on my death recap is the result of me intelligently picking my battles and staying away from the zergs...


    You guys and your assumptions...

    @TheDoomsdayMonster BS. If you truly solo or small scale, and not just zerg surf or run from resource to resource avoiding combat then there’s no way you don’t run into sloads issues, and you must never set foot in BGs. It’s just not possible. Very very few people truly run solo. Solo doesn’t mean not grouped, it means fighting without a single other faction mate in sight. Again, waiting on those “easy mode” 1vX vids.

    Believe what you want...

    I really don't care...

    And no I don't do Battlegrounds...ever...if you got the option to pick your gamemode then maybe, but other than Death Match, I don't care for any of the other game modes.

    I do Imperial City more often than not, so yeah, I do often fight without another faction mate in sight...


    But please, keep spouting off your ignorant assumptions...

    @TheDoomsdayMonster Right so since you don’t participate in a major aspect of PvP these days, where sloads happens to be most of an issue, you shouldn’t really say anything since you’re not well informed. That’s the problem with these forums, people chime in without knowing what they’re talking about. IC is mostly dead or people skulking in the shadows or zergs so that’s not much to go off of. And FYI you can choose your mode now. I’d guess my assumptions aren’t nice that far off the mark.

    I spend as much time as anybody in IC on PC-NA (Vivec and Shor), and I can affirm that it is full of Sloads. I wear it and almost everyone who kills me is wearing it, too. LOL, even guys wearing Imperial Physique wear it!
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    Vapirko wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
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    Sloads is that set does weak damage compared to the other proc sets, and that hardly anyone uses. And yet is QQ'd about constantly.

    Some people just hate slotting a heal that much eh?

    sloads has become the great divide between experienced and inexperienced players. Those defending use weak arguments and propose sets and builds that would only work in a zerg, or, in their infinite wisdom, tell people to slot heals. They tell you to stop trying to 1vX. Sloads is the “flag” of a new generation of PvPers who think balance means you can’t fight more than one person at a time if you’re solo. I fear that what ZOS decides to do about this set will inficate once and for all whether they’re dedicated to balance or catering to the masses who don’t want skill to be a part of PvP.

    @Daus if Sloads is so weak and no one uses it as you say, then why do you care if it gets nerfed further since it’s obviously of no use to you.

    Actually I don't care whether or not it gets nerfed. It would honestly just *** me off if they nerf such a weak set because a bunch of magSorcs and cloak dependent Nightblades whine about it when you have Zaan, Caluurion, and Skoria which are by far worse. Truthfully I think they all should get gutted. Proc sets are terrible for PvP, and have always been.

    Skoria isn’t worse.

    It is against medium armor builds. 4k instant burst is much more detrimental that 6k over 6-7 seconds.

    @Daus wrong again. Skoria is blockable (and possibly dodgeable?) and only proc on dots, so its only useful to a handful of classes and builds. Oh and guess what? You can purge it to stop the effect apparently which I believe you have been suggesting Sloads users do.

    How are you going to tell me wrong again when it's obvious you've never played on a medium armored character. Also you don't need to stack DoTs in order to utilize Skoria; entropy alone will suffice. And no, I haven't been suggesting for people to purge Sloads. Out-healing it is easy enough.

    @Daus well I hate to do this to you, but wrong again. I began by maining a stam DK, then a stam sorc (which remains a regular), then warden. I’ve also played stam NB and stamina Templar though i don’t care for the playstyle of NB and jabs is awful when you play with 300 ping. Up until a couple of days my stam sorc was a dw medium armor build with alchemist and bone pirates. I’ve made a post or two myself about the fact that medium needs help, and have always spoken against proc sets. Imo many should be removed from the game, some like bloodspawn, shadow rend, engine guardian etc, I have no issue with. I’m not coming at this Sloads issue with no experience. In addition to every stam class, I’ve also tried magplar, magicka NB and now mag sorc which I like for obvious reasons. I’ve played light medium and heavy and both mag and stam against Sloads and though Skoria is strong it doesn’t, imo, rival how Sloads works mainly because it procs less and can be blocked. What I don’t understand is, if you don’t like proc sets why do you keep coming to the defense of Sloads? You say you don’t care if it gets nerfed, but you’re quite vocal in saying it’s fine.

    So it's a lack of observation then. Okay, well just so you know for future reference Skoria is undodgeable, and if you actually hear Skoria proc before it hits you then your server performance is better than mine.

    As far as why I "defend it" I've already addressed this in a previous comment.

    To be honest, I feel like you’re having a tough time in PvP and are frustrated at the lag more than anything else and I get that. I can’t really help you there, best of luck with everything
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    Sloads is that set does weak damage compared to the other proc sets, and that hardly anyone uses. And yet is QQ'd about constantly.

    Some people just hate slotting a heal that much eh?

    sloads has become the great divide between experienced and inexperienced players. Those defending use weak arguments and propose sets and builds that would only work in a zerg, or, in their infinite wisdom, tell people to slot heals. They tell you to stop trying to 1vX. Sloads is the “flag” of a new generation of PvPers who think balance means you can’t fight more than one person at a time if you’re solo. I fear that what ZOS decides to do about this set will inficate once and for all whether they’re dedicated to balance or catering to the masses who don’t want skill to be a part of PvP.

    @Daus if Sloads is so weak and no one uses it as you say, then why do you care if it gets nerfed further since it’s obviously of no use to you.

    Actually I don't care whether or not it gets nerfed. It would honestly just *** me off if they nerf such a weak set because a bunch of magSorcs and cloak dependent Nightblades whine about it when you have Zaan, Caluurion, and Skoria which are by far worse. Truthfully I think they all should get gutted. Proc sets are terrible for PvP, and have always been.

    Skoria isn’t worse.

    It is against medium armor builds. 4k instant burst is much more detrimental that 6k over 6-7 seconds.

    @Daus wrong again. Skoria is blockable (and possibly dodgeable?) and only proc on dots, so its only useful to a handful of classes and builds. Oh and guess what? You can purge it to stop the effect apparently which I believe you have been suggesting Sloads users do.

    How are you going to tell me wrong again when it's obvious you've never played on a medium armored character. Also you don't need to stack DoTs in order to utilize Skoria; entropy alone will suffice. And no, I haven't been suggesting for people to purge Sloads. Out-healing it is easy enough.

    @Daus well I hate to do this to you, but wrong again. I began by maining a stam DK, then a stam sorc (which remains a regular), then warden. I’ve also played stam NB and stamina Templar though i don’t care for the playstyle of NB and jabs is awful when you play with 300 ping. Up until a couple of days my stam sorc was a dw medium armor build with alchemist and bone pirates. I’ve made a post or two myself about the fact that medium needs help, and have always spoken against proc sets. Imo many should be removed from the game, some like bloodspawn, shadow rend, engine guardian etc, I have no issue with. I’m not coming at this Sloads issue with no experience. In addition to every stam class, I’ve also tried magplar, magicka NB and now mag sorc which I like for obvious reasons. I’ve played light medium and heavy and both mag and stam against Sloads and though Skoria is strong it doesn’t, imo, rival how Sloads works mainly because it procs less and can be blocked. What I don’t understand is, if you don’t like proc sets why do you keep coming to the defense of Sloads? You say you don’t care if it gets nerfed, but you’re quite vocal in saying it’s fine.

    So it's a lack of observation then. Okay, well just so you know for future reference Skoria is undodgeable, and if you actually hear Skoria proc before it hits you then your server performance is better than mine.

    As far as why I "defend it" I've already addressed this in a previous comment.

    @daus yes someone made me aware that skoria isn’t dodgeable, thanks. Anyway, I still don’t really understand how you can defend sloads but aren’t ok with other proc sets. Anyway good luck with your mag sorc troubles, although I have to say it sounds like the lag is getting to you more than anything else. What usuly helps me in that situation is to leave ESO for a week and come back to it, or level up an entirely different toon. It seems like you play stamina tempalr or sorc maybe? Try leveling a magicka sorc or maybe a magicka NB depending on your play style, do a little PvE for a bit. Play some under 50 BGs which usually lack proc sets, especially monster sets, and can be a lot of fun. Not only will it refresh you but it’s really good to gain some perspective from the other side.

    I'm pretty frustrated with the game, yes. And yeah the Rune Cage bit has honestly made me not want to go into PvP; especially since on average nearly half the players in BGs are magSorcs, and sometimes more. It honestly makes me not want to even bother.

    About your suggestion on making a new class, I've made them all. I actually can't stand the Templar class because of that rune nonsense; I prefer to play very mobile. I actually do have a magsorc, and even though it's one of my favorite classes to play I really don't even want to touch it now in its current state. Just like the Meridia's Blessed Armor set, I know it's strong, but I really don't want to be that guy that's perceived as being carried by their class or item set.

    One of my guild mates has actually just quit the game because he leveled up a magsorc and it bothered him how much easier it was to win duels with it over his magblade (his main). And in case you're wondering about my buddy's talent. His life in this game is dueling, and battlegrounds. And there's only been one magblade on PS4 NA that's been able to beat him. He's not new, and he's really stinking good at PvP.
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    Thanks for the feedback, everyone. We previously mentioned (maybe a few weeks back) we were going to take a look at Sloads. After doing some investigation, we'll be making some adjustments to this item set in the next update so it isn't quite as strong.

    A large cooldown and a condition to proc it is what it needs. Damage is fine, it's constant damage the way it is at the moment which isn't fine.

    Combat team need be a bit more creative with the condition to proc.
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    Thanks for the feedback, everyone. We previously mentioned (maybe a few weeks back) we were going to take a look at Sloads. After doing some investigation, we'll be making some adjustments to this item set in the next update so it isn't quite as strong.
    About *** time! Thanks for the update. Damage needs to be reduced quite a bit to take into account battle spirit, and the proc conditions need to be a lot more specific to prevent easy mode Xv1 stacking of the dot.
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    Mister_DMC wrote: »
    @Daus I get where you're coming from and I'm a long time medium armor player too that prefers BG's and no cp. I think you're forgetting that Sloads can proc Skoria and they can use Duroks or any other easily obtainable source of major defile "lethal arrow I'm looking at you..."

    One lethal arrow puts you under an enormous amount of pressure with this combo that an extremely unskilled player should not be able to do to me. It's gotten to the point where as soon as I see sloads on my recap I purposely focus that player every time as they are now the biggest threat. All other proc damage sets are not as dangerous as sloads except maybe Zaan, which also needs a look at.

    From what I recall testing Sloads doesn't proc Skoria, but regardless DoTs are easy to come by whether it be Poison Injection, Axe Bleeds, Entropy, etc. Honestly it would be nice if they made damaging proc sets PvE only.
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    Thanks for the feedback, everyone. We previously mentioned (maybe a few weeks back) we were going to take a look at Sloads. After doing some investigation, we'll be making some adjustments to this item set in the next update so it isn't quite as strong.

    will any change be made to it removing nbs from stealth?
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    ezio45 wrote: »
    Thanks for the feedback, everyone. We previously mentioned (maybe a few weeks back) we were going to take a look at Sloads. After doing some investigation, we'll be making some adjustments to this item set in the next update so it isn't quite as strong.

    will any change be made to it removing nbs from stealth?

    Stop breaking cloak please.
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    Thanks for the feedback, everyone. We previously mentioned (maybe a few weeks back) we were going to take a look at Sloads. After doing some investigation, we'll be making some adjustments to this item set in the next update so it isn't quite as strong.

    Please tell me you're going to look at the other proc sets while you're at it. Zaan, Caluurion, and Skoria should not get a pass.
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    And just when I thought we might be looking at salt powered servers and they go and knock the salt mill over xD
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    Thanks for the feedback, everyone. We previously mentioned (maybe a few weeks back) we were going to take a look at Sloads. After doing some investigation, we'll be making some adjustments to this item set in the next update so it isn't quite as strong.

    A large cooldown and a condition to proc it is what it needs. Damage is fine, it's constant damage the way it is at the moment which isn't fine.

    Combat team need be a bit more creative with the condition to proc.

    No its not. Oblvion dmg as a design needs to be thrown in the trash. All the sets, glyphs or whatever with oblivion dmg need to be entirely reworked. As it is now, if the dmg is decent then they are all broken because they have no counters. And If the dmg isnt good then they are all hot garbage. Aka there is nothing good oblivion dmg and all those sets.
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    pieratsos wrote: »

    No its not. Oblvion dmg as a design needs to be thrown in the trash. All the sets, glyphs or whatever with oblivion dmg need to be entirely reworked. As it is now, if the dmg is decent then they are all broken because they have no counters. And If the dmg isnt good then they are all hot garbage. Aka there is nothing good oblivion dmg and all those sets.

    Oblivion damage is basically the only thing that can bust through resistance, when people stack resistance with raid buffs and tank gear it's one of the few ways you can still hurt them
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