Trensharo wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

The game is AWESOME!!!

BUT a BIG ASS BUT...

They need to fix FPS drops , Crashes And LAGGG lots of LAGSSS


But the game is the Best MMO in every way..;

LORE
Graphichs
Mechanics
Combat System
Maps
Dungeons and Trials
ALL of them are the best now compared to other MMOs

I'd argue GW2 has better Graphics and Combat, and arguably better Maps and Mechanics. I think the raids in GW2 are superior, as well. Can't speak much for the dungeons since it's been a while since I've run them. GW2 definitely has better classes and PvP. There also more to do in the open world. I feel like Dolmen are pretty much all the open world has to offer in ESO. I don't think the Lore is much better, either - at least not the way it's delivered in game (but I think MMORPGs are generally bad at delivering story content compared to single player games - so I'd just buy the single player ES games if I were interested in the Lore, personally).

I don't think this is the best MMO in every way, or even close. I think it's the best MMO for ES fans, though, the same way FFXIV (a mediocre game, IMO) is the best MMO for FF fans, so they are likely to put up with its shortcomings simply because there is no other choice for players who prefer content based no that IP on the market.

We can repeat this for countless other IP out there (Warcraft, Conan, Norrath, etc.).

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As an aside. I think the developers need to write a proper native Windows Installer and stop installing Java under my Windows System directory. Not only is that dangerous (as the version of Java they use is not maintained, and can easily be used by malicious programs), but it's incredibly rude that they don't even alert the user that they're doing this.

Also, you can install Java under an application directory (aka a "private JRE"), so putting it there is simply BAD. Applications should never install components like Java under the X:\Windows\System32 - ever. A AAA game development firm shouldn't have to be told this. This is a rookie move, and an awful one to boot. What project manager green lights this kind of decision?

Yes, you could argue that, in your opinion eso is not. Still wouldn't change his opinion nor should it of eso being the best mmo to him.

The game is dead in the sense that it's no longer innovative. They release the exact same content, year after year, and they do NOTHING NEW.

The game is currently being sustained by the whales, and they are ok with a mundane level of difficulty, and nothing meaningful being added to the game because they are mostly interested in purchasing cosmetic items from the in-game shop.

The game is far far from dead.

Because you don't enjoy the end game content, doesn't mean that it's dead lol. As others have said, your post is flawed and seems you've just made this to get a reaction, bit sad really.

Right now there are 16665 people logged in on Steam alone. Nevermind the thousands of others like myself who play direct through the game client. That to me doesn't suggest that it's dead at all. In fact playing recently, I've noticed player numbers increasing over the past few months, not just while the event is on either.

Summerset is out next month, which will bring even more people to this gem of a game.

If you don't like what ESO offers for end game, then move on to something else and stop moaning about it.

If you play the game as an elder Scrolls game and not the same as every other boring mmo on the market, you might actually enjoy it. But I guess that's not of interest to you sadly

ESO is dying, thats why ZOS tries to ressurect the game with the current event to get players back.

Next silly question.

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Old tired dungeons and boring same old mechanics for trials on top of a very unbalanced pvp setup. Is the game dead?

Yes neat graphics, not many load screens and a hot bar battle system are all great things. I think eso did good but end game they absolutely stink. The best they could come up with is battle grounds and that turned out to premade power houses vs potatos. Its brutal

Also this whole stamina/magicka divide is just aggrovating. What a money grab!?!

Yes, ESO dies every time a player doesn't like something about the game.

It's been dead/dying since the PC launch in April of 2014.

A sampling of its many prognostications of doom/hand-wringing over the game's demise:


2014

April: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/87585/eso-destined-to-end-up-on-steams-f2p-list-to-die-a-slow-death/

May: https://tamrielfoundry.com/articles/is-eso-dying-how-can-we-save-it/
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/104446/r-i-p-eso
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/97362/fix-the-issue-with-bots-or-eso-will-die-what-do-you-prefer
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/95423/why-eso-is-failing-and-im-not-happy-about-it
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/105078/mmos-are-dead-rip-5-30-2014


June: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/111356/game-is-dying-already

July: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1118978/#Comment_1118978

September: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/130965/5-months-is-that-it-wow-grew-more-in-5-years-than-eso-did-in-5-months/p1

December: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/142695/is-eso-dying/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/143423/why-eso-will-die-in-less-than-2-years/p1

2015

January: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/147075/so-now-that-eso-is-dying-how-long-until-elder-scrolls-6

November: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/233587/do-you-think-eso-is-dieing/p1

December: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/233906/why-i-think-this-great-game-is-dying/p1


2016

January: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/240604/eso-on-consoles-dying
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/242002/fix-lag-or-eso-dies

February: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/247158/is-american-xbox-server-dying

March: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/254179/thieves-guild-end-of-eso

December: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/306567/is-pc-dead

2017

March: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/330589/game-is-dead-on-xbox-na

April: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/333612/is-this-game-dead-on-ps4

May: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/343062/a-sad-truth

August: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/366076/eso-just-died
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/364319/eso-dead-before-christmas
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/364500/will-eso-die-when-elder-scrolls-6-will-come-out/p1

September: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/372681/why-is-game-dying
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/371934/delete-this-post/p1

October: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/376272/games-dead

November: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/380082/eso-dying

2018

February: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/394392/why-lag-is-what-will-kill-eso

April: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/406779/is-eso-dead

You are a powerful necromancer to have resurrected so many threads. Mannimarco beware! Or perhaps ESO simply is undying and cannot be killed.

Or many people have left. Afterall population is down

How many times is OP going to deny evidence that the population is actually growing? Plenty of posts ITT showing that the population isn't down. Are you a conspiracy theorist? ROFL

Short answer: No

Long answer: There is a lot of stuff to do in the game, and the developers are doing a really fine job of keeping all the content in the game relevant to some extent due to it having horizontal progression, as opposed to vertical progression in games like FF XIV or WoW, who keep players focused on a very narrow path that they can take as far as actual meaningful content goes, and devalue all of the cool stuff that is part of the game outside of that. Sure, PvE in this game is not as high end as it is in the other games I have mentioned, but it suites my tastes quite fine, and I actually think it has more content than said games than can ctually be meaningfully enjoyed. I never run out of stuff to do in ESO despite having played for months now, and that to me is a sign of great game design as well as the game itself being healthy.

Also I don't think PvP is as bad and unbalanced as people make it out to be. There's tons of stuff to do in PvP as well, and while it could indeed do with a few balance tweaks, if you play well you will be able to perform adequately no matter what you play.

What others have mentioned here is also true: You can see how alive the game is by seeing how crowded the zones actually are, which is also mostly good for the game.

Oh and I always laugh at the money grab arguments. Those are really quite ridiculous

Lysette wrote: »

And I stopped using add-ons, because I felt, that it takes away from the experience of exploration and discovery.

@Lysette If I may just recommend the "TrueExploration" add-on, which hides the zones you haven't explored yet. It's absolutely great and actually makes traveling to new places even more exciting !

PS so my comment isn't deleted for being completely off topic : game appears very alive to my less-than-one month playing self. Many people around, TONS of stuff to do. Never seen quests this good in a MMO before. Much fun is being had.

The quest/story content and new zones continue to be very good. Housing, outfits, and that sort of RP/Casual stuff continue to be well done and improve.

Endgame dungeons continue to be buggy and hit or miss on the mechanics and fight design. Sort of a sometimes good, sometimes bad situation. Perhaps this will get better with their new inclusion of some elite players in the process. I do not think they are terrible now though. Some are good, and some are not.

Cheat engine continues to rule PVP and endgame raiding. Balance is a mess with respect to PVP vs. PVE, stam vs. mag, and classes, though it is hard to figure out exactly how much when so many are cheating anyway. Of course, the whole resource management system has also been totally broken in PVE since Morrowind with mechanics lining up very poorly in practice to the management scheme. This is all the brain child of the brain dead one who runs that sort of stuff. Unless he is replaced none of that will ever change.

So is the game dead? I don't think so by a long shot but it's endgame raiding is not in a great place and without some addressing of cheat engine and ballance issues PVP will continue to have issues even with generally good changes to scoring, AOE caps, and the new denial of area ideas.

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Old tired dungeons and boring same old mechanics for trials on top of a very unbalanced pvp setup. Is the game dead?

Yes neat graphics, not many load screens and a hot bar battle system are all great things. I think eso did good but end game they absolutely stink. The best they could come up with is battle grounds and that turned out to premade power houses vs potatos. Its brutal

Also this whole stamina/magicka divide is just aggrovating. What a money grab!?!

Bye

Lysette wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Sting864 wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

No. The game is actually quite healthy right now.

But every once in a while, on every gaming forum ever created, these threads pop up for no reason at all.

Yeah no, eso has bad end game

Yeah no... what are your reasons?? Which dungeons or trials employ the same mechanics?? Which offer the same rewards?? Do you have anything besides your subjective opinion (ALL opinions are subjective...) to back up your "obviously bad endgame..." statement??

Every single dungeon is the same thing. Push foward through trash mobs to fight mini boss 1, 2 and final boss. Always the same set up 2 dds, 1 tank and 1 healer/dd.

You really need a break from the game for a while - the way in which you argue shows that you burned yourself out playing it. Or better said from that playstyle - ESO has a whole lot of other things to offer than to just repetitively mash buttons in a dungeon in always a similar fashion. That is what it actually is in the end, if you focus just on this game element - dungeons. It would not even have to be ESO, it could be any kind of MMO, if you play it like this. Do yourself a favor and try to enjoy other game elements - or if it isn't possible for you to enjoy those, try a different game - and come back, when you are more relaxed about the matter. I am not blaming you, I just want to point out, that you show all the telltale signs of a burn out.

Yeah. Every dungeon is actually very different in terms of scenery, pathing, and mechanics.

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Lets hear from all the eso apologists. Why is eso worth playing at end game?

Don't know. Still haven't gotten there. Still playing through the content you either blew through or ignored. I've beaten the main quest a dozen times over, but still find stuff to do.

Elder Scrolls games have never really been about the "end game"; the people who play them tend to play them for the story content, and world content. People have thousands of hours in the games; some players don't bother to do the main quest at all. If all you want is "end game", whatever you might consider that might be, ESO will probably never satisfy your standards.

they need to re-inject- and constantly re-inject new life into old content to combat this- but instead the company has shifted it s focus to making content for crown store, new dlcs, and lifestyle features such as motifs, housing and costumes- which will make the game more money short term for the rest of its span, which is probably 4 more years.

the problem with the content at the moment end - game- is incentives, and difficulty- add to that they keep giving us cp like its candy- and all older content becomes stale.

they could easily:
1. make a 3d difficulty level for dungoens - that would be harder than vet- give 3 undaunted keys, gold jewellery and gold helms at the end. a gold burning spell weave ring for beating skoria in under 15 mins, with no deaths and at a higher difficulty for example.
2. give new titles and motifs , cosutmes, and mounts - associated with old content (such as imperial city, remember that place?)
3. introduce better BG rankings, the ability to have custom matches, so that the community can organise their own tournaments. 2vs2, 3vs3, etc .
4. make trials more rewarding and challenging also- but tying more motifs and costumes to content.
5. giving different tiers of rewards- okay so vAS+2 gives a gold skin, make a deathless run give a differnt skin, a speed run - a mount, etc, etc-

its a tough position- they need to provide incentive for older content- to be replayable- while also making new content. The main incentive in the past for replaying content was farming in this game- optimizing ur build. once upon a time- only a very small handful of end gamers could and would have - say a full divine VO and TFS set with sharp daggers- so only a small number of players could pull their numbers- that was incentive- maddening- but incentive to replay content.
but i think there are ways about this- but now that jewellery (crafting) and gear farming (transmutation) it was a gift and a curse in that now- people will only do normal trials- get their blue rings and be done with it.
yes playig - just for fun- thats what i would put myself as- those players will always be there - doing the wsame stuff over and over- but a large population will need to be constantly given new stuff to play for.

but i think ZOS changed its business philosophy - when crown crates came in, where they re onto the next DLC and not stopping to look back at any bugs, changes or improvmeents old content could do with .

As someone who picked up the Emperor Edition at launch and played in the Beta, then about a month in quit playing, I have just recently returned to the game. I'm currently playing the game with my wife and I must say, both of us are thoroughly enjoying the game. There is quite a lot to do as a new player, and the game is probably one of the most epic scaled ones we've ever played. (I've played MMOs sinc "The Realm Online")

We still have active accounts for another MMO that we felt similarly about as the OP feels about ESO. I think these feelings are inevitable when it comes to MMOs and when you start to feel this way its best to take a break from the game and find something else that grabs your attention. Or at least distracts you for a time.

Forum activity is never a good metric for game population. Generally forums attract "sqeaky wheels" but the majority of the population don't participate.

Every single dungeon is the same thing. Push foward through trash mobs to fight mini boss 1, 2 and final boss. Always the same set up 2 dds, 1 tank and 1 healer/dd. [/quote]

Hah?! What about the DLC dungeons with quite a few of not what I would call "mini" bosses, and each with different mechanics?!
With all due respect - but it sounds like you just did the old zone dungeons and haven't even tried the real end game content...

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Old tired dungeons and boring same old mechanics for trials on top of a very unbalanced pvp setup. Is the game dead?

Yes neat graphics, not many load screens and a hot bar battle system are all great things. I think eso did good but end game they absolutely stink. The best they could come up with is battle grounds and that turned out to premade power houses vs potatos. Its brutal

Also this whole stamina/magicka divide is just aggrovating. What a money grab!?!

Why do people need to say "ESO is dead". I see this over and over. Do you not have a life outside of ESO? Do you not have a place to go besides the game? You do know that if you are no longer having fun, you don't HAVE to play...right?

Steam charts would say it isn't dead. Just sayin. No, not dead. Your interest may be...move on.

http://steamcharts.com/app/306130#All