zaria wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

I have nothing against it. I know, many here feel entitled to get everything for free.
But I think it's good that they give people a good reason to buy Summerset.

I see it this way: Someone who plays every day and probably (hopefully) is an ESO+ member, won't have a problem buying at least the very cheap Summerset Upgrade. And someone, who for some reason I don't understand, isn't an ESO+ member, doesn't need golden yewelry anyway. And as for crafting yewelry, you can still have a crafter craft it for you and give it to you. The only thing you miss out, is upgrading your yewelry from purple to gold.

Hoarders and crafters need ESO+ same with people into houses. If you pretty much only PvP you don't need it, on the other hand you would like to craft or upgrade jewelry without having to do vet dungeons and trials, if in an raid group gold jewelry is important on group buff sets too.

On the other hand you can still play end game its just an handicap, still I would prefer to have crafting station for all but resources only in Sumerset, it would make summerset an get rich effect rater than an p2w feeling.

Still an new WOW expansion is coming out later this year, you will need it to even touch the new end game.

Upgrading yewelry to gold is such a minor improvement. As for me, I usually run ancient grace in most of my setups (Magicka+4% max magicka) and when I upgrade my purple to gold, I get like 150 Magicka out of it, after magicka mults added to it. It won't change anything. It won't make me hit harder, it won't make my shields better. All it does, is look better and gives me a better feeling. But is it helpfull ? No.

Linaleah wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Throughout Tamriel, you can find new Jewelry Crafting Stations (including set stations) that allow you to create custom jewelry for the current crafted item sets, and you will be able to complete Writs and Master Writs like any other crafting Skill Line. Note that the Summerset Chapter is required to use the new Crafting Stations.

...y'know, I wanted to stick up for ZOS. I believed this new crafting skill line would be included in the free base game update since it's such a major mechanic that everyone wanted. So to actually confirm it's restricted behind a paywall?

I mean, I personally bought the digital upgrade of course, but still.

No different then Morrowind and the warden class and transmute station.

The company is a business and has to generate revenue.
Buying the base game once a year ago doesn't entitle you to all the goodies regardless.

This is not a FREE TO PLAY game.

except... you don't have to have morrowind to craft morrowind sets. you don't have to have clockwork city to be able to to transmute your gear either.

restricting jewelry crafting to expansion is a radical departure from how they normally operate. and before you say "but you buy crafter jewelry from other players" can I buy or in my case more like.. can I sell an upgrade item that will allow someone to upgrade their... dungeon jewelry? you know the kind that comes in BoP and doesn't show up on Cyrodil golden vendor and yet can be very desirable in case of certain dungeon sets? yeah.....

People apply flawed logic here.

Transmute station access, DLC gear access (crafted and dropped) were courtesies provided by the Devs ~ a mistake I don't expect they'll make again. So now this rolls around and people automatically expect it to be a free feature.

Many games don't let you use content related items if you do not have access to the content. Turn off ESO+ for a month, and now that cool stuff you got from CoS/RoM/MoL/Fang, etc remains in your inventory, but isn't functional.

They could have justifiably restricted transmute access to content owners. Give everyone the chance to earn the stones, but no way to use them.

As it is, you'll probably be able to still purchase crafted jewelry. I you insist on not paying $30 (JC is probably worth that by itself, in the long run), expect to pay out the nose in gold.

It's not gamebreaking, it's a bonus feature, adding more variety possible in set combinations.

I expect the new traits will likely be added to the drop table, so you'll have a chance to acquire those, but grinding for BiS trait jewelry will now require 2x the runs.

It's effectively no damned different than if you play a standalone game and uncheck the box on content at the start - the content specific stuff ceases to function. Devs at least granted the courtesy to prevent that part from happening.

It's $30. Thirty. Dollars. If it's not worth that to you, don't buy it, but don't complain that the convenience of a bonus, but not necessary to win, feature is not accessible to you.

For the record, you also won't have access to:

• The Psijic Line
• The Trial and its associated drops
• Any housing available in the zone.
• Any memento bonuses from the zone
• Any costumes/skins/personalities from the zone.
• Anything else that comes along with it.

Previous courtesy/gift on the part of the Devs from previous DLC's/Chapters/Content does not translate to entitled requirement to future ones.

Pay for the benefit, or quite complaining about it.

Chargeing money for new content is perfectly fine of course, but devalueing old content, which players already payed for, to "force" them into spending more money is a different story. It is not only disrespectful to buying customers, but also shows some lack of confidence in the quality of their new content. Does this apply to locked jewelry crafting? Can't tell yet, but if crafted jewelry gives a significant advantage and isn't accessible to players without the new chaper, then certainly yes.

Paying for optional content is not nor will it ever be pay to win. Either support pay to play or get used to optional content costing. You simply cannot have it both ways.

Or in the words of Officer Barbrady,

ZOS is absolutely slowly moving towards P2W. Transmutation was ok, Warden locked behind paywall and is very good but not a huge game changer, now jewelry crafting which is a huge game changer and completely locked behind paywall. It doesn’t bode well for the games future on the part of the players.

Rianai wrote: »

Right now i'm competing with players at roughly the same "power level" gear wise. If crafted jewelry gives them an advantage, i'm at a disadvantage which makes my preferred content (pvp) less enjoyable and therefore less valuable for me. Note that i'm not saying this will be the case. I don't even think it is very likely to happen. Just that it is possible.

I don't think you have anything to worry about then.

The only thing JC will give advantage-wise is the ability to upgrade from Purple to Gold, and that increase is incredibly minor, in the grand scheme of things.

In PvP, i'd argue that's it's not even worth as much as making, or capitalizing on a single player mistake.

it will not affect sets available, in that you will still be able to wear the same set combos as before, simply in a different configuration.

Faulgor wrote: »

I'm just worried this might mean we won't get a jewelry crafting station as furnishing for our homes?

To mirror what @Taleof2Cities said, I imagine they will simply be locked behind a Summerset Achievement Furnisher. Maybe requiring the completion of the main story quest, or some other quest restricted to the new chapter - ala Faustina Curio and how her wares are restricted to Morrowind purchasers.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

it will not affect sets available, in that you will still be able to wear the same set combos as before, simply in a different configuration.

It allows the use of 2 crafted sets, which is not possible currently and it might give access to otherwise unaccessible new traits. So while i'm indeed not too worried right now, the potential for some imbalance is still there.

Again what are you winning ?
Good idea ZoS Thank you for the new content very excited
Also looking forward to the Crown Store gifting !

And other MMOs would make it required to buy the new expansion to reach max level. Goodness gracious loves...

This is not true

You can probably buy the station and put it in your house or use a friends
You can buy the materials from guild stores
Its the same as transmute cristals and previouse chapter

I can understand how alot of people have a problem with this and call it P2W. It is indeed undeniable a (very small) gear advantage that is locked behind a paywall, that is a clear and technical fact that can be observed by everyone, pro or contra.

But the advantage of gold jewellery is so small it shouldn't matter, so I don't mind.

Is it cheesy ? Yes, of course. Ideally new content should be made and not just made but made so interesting and amazing that people want to pay gladly in order to be able to experience the new content. THAT should be the one and only reason for people to consider the worth of an expansion. instead, a very basic feature that could (should?) have been in the game from the start is now locked behind a paywall...not very sportsy right ?

That being said, for what this stuff costs and if you are into this game seriously...it's a joke. Just pay up and enjoy that there is something so nice in your life to enjoy. For the price of enjoying this whole new expansion you won't be able to do much else in RL. 2 people to the movies without a drink but no dinner...done. So in the perspective of life this whole wining thread is a joke...

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

"You people"

Yeah, i'm done. Somebody moderate this thread.