Thank you ZOS now I can make some serious gold selling to people who didn't buy the expansion because they think it should be included with eso+

I love the amount of people who don't think ZOS should be allowed to make money off of their own game.

Sevn wrote: »

Makes me wish the game was sub only. At least then people wouldn't expect that just paying ten bucks for the base game and spending a few bucks now and then is more than enough and everything should be part of that ten dollar base game.

Same, but so every one is on even turf and ZOS doesn't have to turn to shadier methods. Believe it or not, this is from someone who supports CCs, and any cosmetic transaction like costumes, motifs, housing etc.

ak_pvp wrote: »

I am cancelling my preorder. I may get another as we see the developments, but for now my interest fades.

Sad to see such a promising game turn to hypermonetization, even if its not directly P2W, players should be on even turf no matter what DLC they buy or not, convenience, sets, new interesting content like BGs, IC, Morrowind zone, trials etc are all fun and fair, and allow the game to prosper. Forcing buys is not.

You can see how the focus of the game changed, game improvements, bug fixes etc are all secondary to cosmetics, new zones etc. Old DLC is often just forgotten.

No one gets my stuff, I am poor.

@ak_pvp

Yes, it would make the community prosper, and the development stagnate.

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

I love the amount of people who don't think ZOS should be allowed to make money off of their own game.

The same kind of people crying about this would find a way to cry if the next chapter was completely free.

Heaven forbid you have to buy a chapter to use what comes with it. I'll agree that so far what we know we are getting seems kind of lackluster but the cheaper tag has me for a pre order.

mommadani907 wrote: »

I don't think we know enough about the system to be outraged yet. We know it exists, that is it. We don't know how it is going to work. We don't know if you can even sell or give away crafted jewelry. We don't know how hard it is going to be to get the materials needed to make or improve jewelry. I wouldn't get irate just yet.

I'm not angry or irate. I've only pre-ordered my seat at the angry table. ;-)

ak_pvp wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER

Greed on which side though?
The side that creates the content?
Or the side that consumes the content?

Desiring a release model that only requires a one time payment with unlimited access to any and all future endeavors doesn't sound greedy?

The price point seems fair, and the only issue I can see against the content creators is that they don't offer any sort of discount for subscribed users.

"Unlimited access to any and all future endeavors." Hardly. Its more like "access to long wanted features that affect the game as a whole, whilst paying for access to new content."

@ak_pvp

To take your tune:

"access to long wanted features that affect the game as a whole, whilst paying for access to new content." It's more like "expecting these desired features to be developed and paid for on the developer's dime for an entertainment service consumed by you"

I don't have a problem with jewelry crafting being exclusive to Summerset Islands Chapter.

The folks at ZOS want to be paid for going to work like all of use do and these chapter releases are going to help accomplish that goal. If Gina, Rich, and other developers leave because they can't support their families, than not having access to something you didn't pay for is going to be the least of your problems.

My biggest issue is there should be some means to use some crowns to pay for some of the Chapter. I understand that ZOS needs actual dollars to keep running as a company and do not disagree that some actual dollars are attached to the Chapter cost. But not allowing us to use any Crowns seems excessive.

If the jewelry can be traded, then [shrugs]. If not? Then yeah... Yikes.

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

Things like jewellery crafting should be added to the base game, or at least made it like the transmutation station.

Very sad to see. dislike. wont buy the expansion.

@DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER

The question is though: If it was added to the base game, would you have bought the expansion anyway? Since you haven't already, I'm assuming not.

I was going to before I saw this. The greed is too much.

Lol sorry, I don't believe you.

whats funny to me is that people are complaining about jewelery crafting, but they didnt have to add it, and they already said that they werent interested in doing it, but they did it anyway

pieratsos wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER

Greed on which side though?
The side that creates the content?
Or the side that consumes the content?

Desiring a release model that only requires a one time payment with unlimited access to any and all future endeavors doesn't sound greedy?

The price point seems fair, and the only issue I can see against the content creators is that they don't offer any sort of discount for subscribed users.

"Unlimited access to any and all future endeavors." Hardly. Its more like "access to long wanted features that affect the game as a whole, whilst paying for access to new content."

@ak_pvp

To take your tune:

"access to long wanted features that affect the game as a whole, whilst paying for access to new content." It's more like "expecting these desired features to be developed and paid for on the developer's dime for an entertainment service consumed by you"

*Facepalm*
You do realise that people still bought the base game right? You do realise that we have a thing called crown store where people buy stuff with real money right? Are you seriously implying that normal single player games are paid from developer's pocket just for our entertainment?

But these normal single player games also charge for each expansion or dlc. If I remember correctly, I had to pay for each of the Skyrim DLCs when they came out... Or the Fallout 4 DLCs. But they bought the base game, so they should just be given this additional content for free? That isn't how it works and that has never been how it has worked with mainstream titles. Addons, DLC, and Expansions have always added more to a game with additional costs. It's been like this for at least 2 decades.

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER

Greed on which side though?
The side that creates the content?
Or the side that consumes the content?

Desiring a release model that only requires a one time payment with unlimited access to any and all future endeavors doesn't sound greedy?

The price point seems fair, and the only issue I can see against the content creators is that they don't offer any sort of discount for subscribed users.

"Unlimited access to any and all future endeavors." Hardly. Its more like "access to long wanted features that affect the game as a whole, whilst paying for access to new content."

@ak_pvp

To take your tune:

"access to long wanted features that affect the game as a whole, whilst paying for access to new content." It's more like "expecting these desired features to be developed and paid for on the developer's di@me for an entertainment service consumed by you"

Developers dime. Well, the dime from the players of the game, to pay for and improve the game.

You know what else isn't directly payed for, but expected. Combat and itemization balance. Which is what I consider these changes to be.

Jewelry crafting is an update to the base crafting system. Imagine if you had to pay for the latest DLC for your class to be updated. You want the new class balance buffs eh? Pay for summerset.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Source: https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26347?Summerset-and-Update-18-Preview

Not stating my opinion, just letting people know. What do you think?

Seems exactly the same as....
-Warden
-Imperial City crafting stations
-Orsinium (VSMA)
-Morrowind crafting stations
-CLockwork City crafting stations
--etc


It doesn't say to wear crafted items, it says to "craft/create"

Except that all the crafting stations can be attuned and people who don't own the Chapter/DLC/ESO+ can craft from them.

So the only thing in your list that's not accessible to players who bought ESO before Morrowind and don't have ESO+ is the Warden and Maelstrom weapons.

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

I love the amount of people who don't think ZOS should be allowed to make money off of their own game.

So you are saying that if Jewelry Crafting is a base game mechanic nobody will buy Summerset?

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect it to be part of the base game while still being excited about the expansion and more than willing to pay money for the content it will bring.

@AlnilamE
No, you’re missing it.
To get access the dlc is required, you’re trying to describe where someone who has access has unlocked access outside of the dlc which will apply here as well.

However no different than before, you can’t access a skill line or feature you have ot unlocked or paid for...period

Meaning in my examples above, features made those possible like houses and attuned crafting stations, some which were post the dlc released.

I am quite certain that people that do NOT own IC or Orsinium can craft sets at attunable crafting stations outside of those zones.