"Note that the Summerset Chapter is required to use the new (Jewelry) Crafting Stations."

Nyladreas

Lord wrote: »

P2W.

I'm very disappointed.
I hope they change their minds about this.

Buy it from other craters then? How is this different from any other dlc exclusive crafted sets? You won't be able to upgrade dropped jewelry sooo... How is it p2w LOL

Loralai_907

Welp, guess I can offload some jewelry I had stashed in one of my storage chests at my house now...

Other than that, thanks for the updated information!

SecretJoy

aliyavana wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey everyone, wanted to clear a few things up for you. Summerset is required to use any Jewelry Crafting Stations found in Tamriel. If you don’t own Summerset, you will still be able to find Jewelry Crafting resource nodes to sell, and you will also be able to purchase crafted jewelry from others. Set jewelry will be BoE, non-set will not be bound. Additionally, you will not be able to deconstruct any jewelry you're currently holding onto prior to Summerset launch.

We're currently working on a very extensive Jewelry Crafting article that we plan to publish before we start the next PTS cycle, which will hopefully answer a lot more questions.

"Summerset is required to use any Jewelry Crafting Stations found in Tamriel." Can you clarify if those without summerset can use a homestead jewelcrafting station to jewelcraft on, like how those without CWC can use a homestead transmute station?

Sounds to me like it applies to any crafting station, period. It looks like the crafting of jewelry will be completely locked to those who purchase Summerset.

Sparky617

@ZOS_GinaBruno

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

...Additionally, you will not be able to deconstruct any jewelry you're currently holding onto prior to Summerset launch...

So... Does that mean the jewelry that I currently have in my possession will not be able to be broken down at all, or I just have to wait until Summerset comes out? I've kinda been saving up trash rings and necklaces to de-con for skill ups.

Cortanacamo

It's not P2W lmao. Normal jewellery will still drop (and can be just as effective as crafted).
You could just ask someone who owns the chapter to craft you a certain piece (if you have the materials/gold, or if they're generous, for free).

Universe

Sparky617 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

...Additionally, you will not be able to deconstruct any jewelry you're currently holding onto prior to Summerset launch...

So... Does that mean the jewelry that I currently have in my possession will not be able to be broken down at all, or I just have to wait until Summerset comes out? I've kinda been saving up trash rings and necklaces to de-con for skill ups.

I believe what Gina means is that you won't be able to deconstruct any jewelry obtained before Summerset.
The jewelry obtained after Summerset launch will be eligible to be deconstructed.

SecretJoy

Lord wrote: »

Sparky617 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

...Additionally, you will not be able to deconstruct any jewelry you're currently holding onto prior to Summerset launch...

So... Does that mean the jewelry that I currently have in my possession will not be able to be broken down at all, or I just have to wait until Summerset comes out? I've kinda been saving up trash rings and necklaces to de-con for skill ups.

I believe what Gina means is that you won't be able to deconstruct any jewelry obtained before Summerset.
The jewelry obtained after Summerset launch will be eligible to be deconstructed.

Yeah, this is what I understood from her post as well.

Elsterchen

jaws343 wrote: »

SecretJoy wrote: »

skinnycheeks wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Additionally, you will not be able to deconstruct any jewelry you're currently holding onto prior to Summerset launch.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you clarify this statement? I interpreted it as even those that own Summerset and can access the jewelrycrafting stations cannot deconstruct jewelry that was looted from before the Summerset expansion.

Yeah, that sounds like what she said. She's probably trying to address the many people who have been hoarding all the jewelry they come across since the announcement.

Yeah, and it probably has to do with an update to the loot table. If they are adding new crafting nodes, I imagine they are also updating the jewelry loot table to include the new traits for research and use.

I understand the reason for this, but please don't forget to add an identifier that clearly indicates wether or not the jewelery we are about to buy in a guild store is deconstructable or not (hence older then release date of summerset or younger (?)).

Second thing is... : " Additionally, you will not be able to deconstruct any jewelry you're currently holding onto prior to Summerset launch." -> Does this mean i can send my jewellery to a friend after summerset release and this friend then can deconstruct it? (After all he/she wasn't the one holding onto said jewellery prior to Summerset launch).

Third thing is... Well actually my friend could just send my jewellery back to me right after summerset launch, technically I wasn't holding onto it (well at least not all the time prior to summerset launch).

Fourth thing is...ah nvm, we will see PTS.

I should stop posting late at night.

Well if all new jewellery doesn't only come in certain quality (white to gold) but is also different in material ( i.e.by level, like blacksmithing or maybe by trait) new jewellery would be needed indeed.

Universe

Elsterchen wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

SecretJoy wrote: »

skinnycheeks wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Additionally, you will not be able to deconstruct any jewelry you're currently holding onto prior to Summerset launch.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you clarify this statement? I interpreted it as even those that own Summerset and can access the jewelrycrafting stations cannot deconstruct jewelry that was looted from before the Summerset expansion.

Yeah, that sounds like what she said. She's probably trying to address the many people who have been hoarding all the jewelry they come across since the announcement.

Yeah, and it probably has to do with an update to the loot table. If they are adding new crafting nodes, I imagine they are also updating the jewelry loot table to include the new traits for research and use.

I understand the reason for this, but please don't forget to add an identifier that clearly indicates wether or not the jewelery we are about to buy in a guild store is deconstructable or not (hence older then release date of summerset or younger (?)).

Second thing is... : " Additionally, you will not be able to deconstruct any jewelry you're currently holding onto prior to Summerset launch." -> Does this mean i can send my jewellery to a friend after summerset release and this friend then can deconstruct it? (After all he/she wasn't the one holding onto said jewellery prior to Summerset launch).

Third thing is... Well actually my friend could just send my jewellery back to me right after summerset launch, technically I wasn't holding onto it (well at least not all the time prior to summerset launch).

Fourth thing is...ah nvm, we will see PTS.

It will probably not work.
ZOS will probably add special deconstruct ID token to the new rings and necklaces when Summerset launch.

Colecovision

Audens wrote: »

"Additionally, you will not be able to deconstruct any jewelry you're currently holding onto prior to Summerset launch."

Are you actually serious? Are you serious?
This is so stupid. Guess all the jewelry I was saving to level another *** crafting profession can just be destroyed.

Well, telling us now is big. I’m fine grinding whatever I need to, but I’m going to go ahead and clear my inventory of 100g purple rings.

DaveMoeDee

I am surprised, but I don't have a problem with it. Seems fine to need to buy expansions to get new functionality. Sure, it makes it easier for people who buy it to become more powerful than those that don't, but this isn't like microtransaction-based P2W where you have to outspend others to become more powerful.

Bherdani

I defended zos for five years and said they'd implement jewelry crafting eventually, even though people laughed at the idea. I bought character slots and storage containers because I believed in them. Stupid me for being so naive, I should've seen it coming. Now they're laughing all the way to the bank while I'm stuck with a full bank.

Saturn

Lord wrote: »

P2W.

I'm very disappointed.
I hope they change their minds about this.

It's as much pay-to-win as any previous dlc-exclusive additions to the game. Odds are that you can still have people make you the jewellery, which just means you pay those with access to the chapter. But let's be real though, you would buy the chapter if you cared about progressing at all, so screaming "pay-to-win" is kind of moronic, since you would purposefully not buy the update, which adds a pletheora of new additions, but then calling it pay-to-win to justify your decision.

Pay-to-win is something that gives players with deep pockets an advantage, like buying boosts from a store, or special items, etc.. Pay to win is not something like an expansion. I mean, you wouldn't complain about a level boost (or maybe you would) if it was part of an expansion, because it's obvious that in order to progress you would have to purchase the new addition to the game. Jewellery Crafting is just like that, as it is tied to a specific game update. The new Psijic Order skill tree is also tied to the update, so by your logic it would also be pay-to-win.

It is par for the course to include incentives such as new abilities, craft skills, etc., with new updates, since these things are meant to be a draw for players. The new trial will likely also include good gear for players to acquire. I think calling something, which is a part of an update, "pay-to-win" is misunderstanding what that term actually means. If you don't want to take part in the game's progression, that's fine, but justifying it by calling the additions you wanted "pay-to-win" is just being childish about it.

sylviermoone

Astrid_V wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey everyone, wanted to clear a few things up for you. Summerset is required to use any Jewelry Crafting Stations found in Tamriel. If you don’t own Summerset, you will still be able to find Jewelry Crafting resource nodes to sell, and you will also be able to purchase crafted jewelry from others. Set jewelry will be BoE, non-set will not be bound. Additionally, you will not be able to deconstruct any jewelry you're currently holding onto prior to Summerset launch.

We're currently working on a very extensive Jewelry Crafting article that we plan to publish before we start the next PTS cycle, which will hopefully answer a lot more questions.

This is terrible and not fair, and I hope it will be changed with player feedback on PTS.

Jewelery Crafting station should get exact the same treatment as Transmute Station - even if I don't own Clockwork City DLC, I'm still able to use this station, for example in player houses. The same should apply here - even if I don't own chapter, I can access station in other places than Summerset Island.

The difference here is that once you transmute an item, it's bound to your account. Crafted jewelry will NOT be bound, and will be freely tradable between chars.

It seems to me that ZOS has taken a LOT of feedback into account when creating this system. It makes crafters more relevant, it introduces the ability to craft set jewelry, and will open up a TON of build diversity.

If you want to craft jewelry, buy Summerset. If you want to play Warden, buy Morrowind. There's no issue here, time to move along....

ol_BANK_lo

Everyone complains about P2W, but what do you really expect? Not everything can be "included" at the base game or even with Plus. They make a killing with crates and houses, but what would you find acceptable that would give a reason to buy the Chapters? I never agreed with the Chapter concept, because it was never disclosed they would have that business model, and that Plus wouldn't cover anything. Yes, likely because they didn't think about it until later, which is why they redefined what Plus gives you. But now that they're here, everyone complained about BGs and Warden at Morrowind, and now jewelry crafting for Summerset. So, what is acceptable to put in a Chapter that would make people buy it and not *** everyone off?

Recremen

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey everyone, wanted to clear a few things up for you. Summerset is required to use any Jewelry Crafting Stations found in Tamriel. If you don’t own Summerset, you will still be able to find Jewelry Crafting resource nodes to sell, and you will also be able to purchase crafted jewelry from others. Set jewelry will be BoE, non-set will not be bound. Additionally, you will not be able to deconstruct any jewelry you're currently holding onto prior to Summerset launch.

We're currently working on a very extensive Jewelry Crafting article that we plan to publish before we start the next PTS cycle, which will hopefully answer a lot more questions.

Most of this sounds great, but I have two concerns. One I'll wait for the detailed article since I'm sure that'll explain it fine, but this bit about not being able to deconstruct existing jewelry is mildly concerning. Is the idea just to make sure that nobody gets a head start on the system? I understand the impetus for that, but that's not feasible, it just limits who gets to be part of the "head start" group. Specifically, people with a lot of spare gold and market power will still be able to buy up mats ahead of everyone else. Meanwhile, people completing content/getting PvE and PvP rewards are left out of the pool. Why let one group have a head start for things they do pre-chapter (acquiring gold) but not the others?

DaveMoeDee

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey everyone, wanted to clear a few things up for you. Summerset is required to use any Jewelry Crafting Stations found in Tamriel. If you don’t own Summerset, you will still be able to find Jewelry Crafting resource nodes to sell, and you will also be able to purchase crafted jewelry from others. Set jewelry will be BoE, non-set will not be bound. Additionally, you will not be able to deconstruct any jewelry you're currently holding onto prior to Summerset launch.

We're currently working on a very extensive Jewelry Crafting article that we plan to publish before we start the next PTS cycle, which will hopefully answer a lot more questions.

Ah, good to know I shouldn't bother holding on the junk rings in my inventory.

DaveMoeDee

Recremen wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey everyone, wanted to clear a few things up for you. Summerset is required to use any Jewelry Crafting Stations found in Tamriel. If you don’t own Summerset, you will still be able to find Jewelry Crafting resource nodes to sell, and you will also be able to purchase crafted jewelry from others. Set jewelry will be BoE, non-set will not be bound. Additionally, you will not be able to deconstruct any jewelry you're currently holding onto prior to Summerset launch.

We're currently working on a very extensive Jewelry Crafting article that we plan to publish before we start the next PTS cycle, which will hopefully answer a lot more questions.

Most of this sounds great, but I have two concerns. One I'll wait for the detailed article since I'm sure that'll explain it fine, but this bit about not being able to deconstruct existing jewelry is mildly concerning. Is the idea just to make sure that nobody gets a head start on the system? I understand the impetus for that, but that's not feasible, it just limits who gets to be part of the "head start" group. Specifically, people with a lot of spare gold and market power will still be able to buy up mats ahead of everyone else. Meanwhile, people completing content/getting PvE and PvP rewards are left out of the pool. Why let one group have a head start for things they do pre-chapter (acquiring gold) but not the others?

It is possible that there are differences in how old and new jewelry will be represented in the backend and making them compatible would be messy and not worth the risk and dev resources.

Edit: fixed typo (now -> not)

themaddaedra

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Additionally, you will not be able to deconstruct any jewelry you're currently holding onto prior to Summerset launch.

Now what is this? Is there any reasonable thinking that might have lead you to this decision? How come you claim it's gonna work like blacksmithing etc if i can't deconstruct the items i have?

I've been waiting for this to come, carried hundreds of jewels from one bank alt to another, just to make sure i will have quick level 50 when it lands. Why am i being punished for this? How come it's my fault if others did not collect?

This is so braindead.

Recremen

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey everyone, wanted to clear a few things up for you. Summerset is required to use any Jewelry Crafting Stations found in Tamriel. If you don’t own Summerset, you will still be able to find Jewelry Crafting resource nodes to sell, and you will also be able to purchase crafted jewelry from others. Set jewelry will be BoE, non-set will not be bound. Additionally, you will not be able to deconstruct any jewelry you're currently holding onto prior to Summerset launch.

We're currently working on a very extensive Jewelry Crafting article that we plan to publish before we start the next PTS cycle, which will hopefully answer a lot more questions.

Most of this sounds great, but I have two concerns. One I'll wait for the detailed article since I'm sure that'll explain it fine, but this bit about not being able to deconstruct existing jewelry is mildly concerning. Is the idea just to make sure that nobody gets a head start on the system? I understand the impetus for that, but that's not feasible, it just limits who gets to be part of the "head start" group. Specifically, people with a lot of spare gold and market power will still be able to buy up mats ahead of everyone else. Meanwhile, people completing content/getting PvE and PvP rewards are left out of the pool. Why let one group have a head start for things they do pre-chapter (acquiring gold) but not the others?

It is possible that there are differences in how old and new jewelry will be represented in the backend and making them compatible would be messy and now worth the risk and dev resources.

Yeah I suppose that's possible. But I wanna arguuuuuuuue.

Sneaky-Snurr

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

Things like jewellery crafting should be added to the base game, or at least made it like the transmutation station.

Very sad to see. dislike. wont buy the expansion.

Sounds to me that you'd be succumbing to the pressure of having to buy it for the sake of Jewelry Crafting.

Mettaricana

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

not pay to win at all

Correct. There is nothing P2W about it. You can still obtain gold jewellery via other methods.

I don't honestly care. We both know this is done because ZOS is milking this game to death.

Just like the ''outfit system'' , or lets call it for what it is, the costume creator trial version(buy 1500 crowns to try it a little bit more, but no secondary outfits on your other toons, 1,5k for only 1 outfit for 1 toon ), this new spellcrafting will also be ruined by their greed. Just you wait

How is making money "greedy"? ZOS isn't a charity.

Why do I need to pay 12500 crowns to have 1 extra outfit slot on my each toon? Not to mention having to spend crazy amounts of money if I want to change my look, so I'm forced into buying more If I want to actually use the thing. I don't want to pay 20-30k gold for every time I want to change my look. I could craft an entire new setup with that much gold.

Why do I need to gamble to get what I want instead of being able to just buy exactly what I want?

Why does zos try to scam new players by selling base game motifs that literally sell for 300-400 gold, for extreme prices?
(we are not talking about 10 or 20 bucks here, a motif book for 60 bucks? Do you know how many ACTUAL GAMES I could buy with that much?)

Why are there paid ,single use dyes again?

So on and so on... the list is growing bigger and bigger. The crown store is literally all about scamming people. I don't care about your 130$ digital caves, If I'm paying for the sub I expect to have access to all the basic game functions, you can have all the cosmetics and shiny dumb ''look at me I'm a whale'' toys.

But enough is enough. This company is literally trying its best to screw over its own loyal playerbase.

This summerset is an expansion for sure. ZOS is expanding their wallet.

Maybe by expanding their wallet they can expand their bug fixes and stuff like more staff that jas a clue

SecretJoy

themaddaedra wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Additionally, you will not be able to deconstruct any jewelry you're currently holding onto prior to Summerset launch.

Now what is this? Is there any reasonable thinking that might have lead you to this decision? How come you claim it's gonna work like blacksmithing etc if i can't deconstruct the items i have?

I've been waiting for this to come, carried hundreds of jewels from one bank alt to another, just to make sure i will have quick level 50 when it lands. Why am i being punished for this? How come it's my fault if others did not collect?

This is so braindead.

How exactly are you getting punished? They never explicitly stated that we'd be able to deconstruct old jewelry for mats.

Loralai_907

I have a question. After Summerset drops, what then? Can we for example buy jewelry in guild stores and decon it? How does the game know the difference between what we have now versus what we pick up after Summerset drops? Seems to me, you "could" mail back and forth some jewelry with a friend and be fine to decon it. Right? Maybe not all hope is lost. Buddy up ladies and gents.

themaddaedra

SecretJoy wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Additionally, you will not be able to deconstruct any jewelry you're currently holding onto prior to Summerset launch.

Now what is this? Is there any reasonable thinking that might have lead you to this decision? How come you claim it's gonna work like blacksmithing etc if i can't deconstruct the items i have?

I've been waiting for this to come, carried hundreds of jewels from one bank alt to another, just to make sure i will have quick level 50 when it lands. Why am i being punished for this? How come it's my fault if others did not collect?

This is so braindead.

How exactly are you getting punished? They never explicitly stated that we'd be able to deconstruct old jewelry for mats.

That's not something you need a statement for. It's game basics, you deconstruct items and you get mats and levels. If you say "you won't be able to deconstruct your items" then it sure is a punishment.

boombazookajd

The folks who have been holding onto jewelry in anticipation are going to be PISSED

SecretJoy

themaddaedra wrote: »

SecretJoy wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Additionally, you will not be able to deconstruct any jewelry you're currently holding onto prior to Summerset launch.

Now what is this? Is there any reasonable thinking that might have lead you to this decision? How come you claim it's gonna work like blacksmithing etc if i can't deconstruct the items i have?

I've been waiting for this to come, carried hundreds of jewels from one bank alt to another, just to make sure i will have quick level 50 when it lands. Why am i being punished for this? How come it's my fault if others did not collect?

This is so braindead.

How exactly are you getting punished? They never explicitly stated that we'd be able to deconstruct old jewelry for mats.

That's not something you need a statement for. It's game basics, you deconstruct items and you get mats and levels. If you say "you won't be able to deconstruct your items" then it sure is a punishment.

They probably decided to do it this way so everyone is on an even playing field when the Chapter launches.

We'll all have to start from scratch with the same nodes, and possibly with farming the same jewelry depending on how they implement it.

themaddaedra

SecretJoy wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

SecretJoy wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Additionally, you will not be able to deconstruct any jewelry you're currently holding onto prior to Summerset launch.

Now what is this? Is there any reasonable thinking that might have lead you to this decision? How come you claim it's gonna work like blacksmithing etc if i can't deconstruct the items i have?

I've been waiting for this to come, carried hundreds of jewels from one bank alt to another, just to make sure i will have quick level 50 when it lands. Why am i being punished for this? How come it's my fault if others did not collect?

This is so braindead.

How exactly are you getting punished? They never explicitly stated that we'd be able to deconstruct old jewelry for mats.

That's not something you need a statement for. It's game basics, you deconstruct items and you get mats and levels. If you say "you won't be able to deconstruct your items" then it sure is a punishment.

They probably decided to do it this way so everyone is on an even playing field when the Chapter launches.

We'll all have to start from scratch with the same nodes, and possibly with farming the same jewelry depending on how they implement it.

The idea is obvious, but then again it doesn't mean the idea is not stupid. Like, everyone has been talking about jewellery crafting for years, everyone kind of expected this to be implemented at some point, and if i was making investments for future so could everyone. It wasn't a secret. All i did was not selling my golden jewellery to vendors, and now i need to be treated like cheating for this. I freaking earned it, they are my jewels, it's my investment, and it wasn't easy to hold hundreds of jewellery for this long. They don't have right to punish me for a so-called even playing field.

JHartEllis

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Additionally, you will not be able to deconstruct any jewelry you're currently holding onto prior to Summerset launch

This is an unnecessary complication that would make inventory management more difficult due to having undeconstructable "legacy" jewelry and newly dropped deconstructable jewelry. Having to pay attention to the tags (assuming there would be tags) would be a huge chore, especially when looking on guild traders.

This is a workaround to a nonexistent problem. Preparation for changing markets is the foundation of other in-game systems like tradable event rewards and luxury furnishings. If anything, clearing out the glut of junk jewelry would be a huge boon to player storage and the in-game economy.

I strongly recommend reconsidering this.

themaddaedra

JHartEllis wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Additionally, you will not be able to deconstruct any jewelry you're currently holding onto prior to Summerset launch

This is an unnecessary complication that would make inventory management more difficult due to having undeconstructable "legacy" jewelry and newly dropped deconstructable jewelry. Having to pay attention to the tags (assuming there would be tags) would be a huge chore, especially when looking on guild traders.

This is a workaround to a nonexistent problem. Preparation for changing markets is the foundation of other in-game systems like tradable event rewards and luxury furnishings. If anything, clearing out the glut of junk jewelry would be a huge boon to player storage and the in-game economy.

I strongly recommend reconsidering this.

THIS. I mean they wouldn't bother to work on an extra code or two to make the game performance better, but they can put some real effort to a non-existent problem. As if market is theirs to keep balanced or something. Everyone sells ridiculous stuff to ridiculous amounts. IDK this sounds kind of... just nonsense.