PTS Update 16 - Feedback Thread for Dragonknights

Savos_Saren · October 2017

To clarify: Does it actually SAY that you can't build ultimate while the standard is up? Or you can't build ultimate on that bar while the standard is up?

Bashev · October 2017

jaburns wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Has anyone tested the new "Shifting Standard"? How does it compare to Eye of Flame?

You cannot generated ultimate while the skill is active = [snip].

@Bashev

Wait... hold on- does it actually say that on the PTS???

Because, if so, Wardens had better not be allowed to generate ultimate with Trees up, NBs shouldn't be allowed to generate ultimate with Veil of Blades up, Templars shouldn't be allowed to generate ultimate with Nova up, and Sorcs shouldn't be allowed to generate ultimate with negate up.

I am pretty sure that this is a legacy code that came from shifting standard. It used to work the same way when the game launch. You werent able to generate ultimate while you had the banner active. Then they fixed it after 1 year

Now we have it back. With ZoS usually the bug reapers once they fix them.

[Edited for quote]

Savos_Saren · October 2017

@Bashev

I hope you're right and it's just a glitch. I just tested the normal shifting standard in-game. While it seems like you can't build ultimate while it's up- you actually can on your other bar. So, you can drop the shifting standard, swap bars to build ulti, and then swap back to refresh.

Hopefully, it'll continue to work that way. Taking away an mDK's ability to gain ultimate for 25 seconds is pretty detrimental in PVP. Your resources would be completely drained by the time you defended yourself against enemies for 25seconds.

Anne_Firehawk · October 2017

lucky_Sage wrote: »

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

...and they just forgot to mention that fact in the PTS patch notes?

So, for 25 seconds- I can't gain any ultimate whatsoever as a DK? You mean the ONE THING that defines our class just got gimped even further with our own ultimate ability?

@ZOS_GinaBruno

This is a joke, right?

I pointed that out on PAGE 5.
Edit: Here you go

So much feedback on 13 Pages, yet everything is getting ignored. Sad and expected at the same time.

do you not rember the gaint dk post and all constructive and all they gave us was fire leap and dragon blood but didnt or sustain or forced inot vampire

I remember everything, hence why I gave up entirely.

Xsorus · October 2017

The way shifting works right now when you lay it down you build ultimate and if you reposition it any ultimate you built during that goes away and it starts again, this means if you don’t shift the standard you get to keep the ultimate gained during the first drop and if you do you get to keep any ultimate gained after the shift.

Passifest · October 2017

If you can't build up ult while its up it simply will not be used

scipionumatia · October 2017

In defiance of the nerfs to DK I created an argonian mag dk today, the only spec I haven't played up until now. I proudly introduce my toon "baits-all-zergs"

See you in hell my friends lol

Hamburglarjones · October 2017

Zybelle wrote: »

Magicka DK is now just useless in optimized pve trials teams as dd unless people are very nice and don't care of score.

Main reasons are:
- Mag DK takes a melee spot and compared to any stamina dd, it results in a loss of minimum 10k dps for the group.
- They used to provide some support to the group as chaining adds and placing engulfing flame on group target. This is now easily done by good DK tanks.

Best way to prove this is just to look at best raiding team and see how previously awesome mag DK dds just rerolled their character to stamina to keep their contribution to the group at the highest level.
Same problem for magicka templars.
As a result the only magicka dds we find now in optimized teams are mag nb and mag sorc as they are ranged and can provide off balance status of the target to buff stamina dds dps.

But this is probably "working as intended"
If not, then just think about it when changing class balance.

It's useless in terms of dps and also frustrating to play if off balance isn't perfect.

ak_pvp · October 2017

Fucken Zos. This patch was trash and there is no reason to run DKs.

The hold down and burn class now is outclassed in cc by a *** sorc.

krathos · October 2017

ak_pvp wrote: »

Fucken Zos. This patch was trash and there is no reason to run DKs.

The hold down and burn class now is outclassed in cc by a *** sorc.

lolololol it hurts so bad inside.

scipionumatia · October 2017

we can rest well knowing our feedback was carefully considered

beetleklee · October 2017

New patch notes, nothing again.

Vesper_BR · October 2017

Lfmao... They striped us from our cc and gave it to sorcs.... And in return we are supposed to run a cc that works similar to Cristal frags.... Omfg... I give up zos

Ragnarock41 · October 2017

At this point both Dk and Templar are gonna need full reworks.
Dk is slowly becoming a braindead tank class and templar is already a healbot.

SirMewser · October 2017

lucky_Sage wrote: »

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

...and they just forgot to mention that fact in the PTS patch notes?

So, for 25 seconds- I can't gain any ultimate whatsoever as a DK? You mean the ONE THING that defines our class just got gimped even further with our own ultimate ability?

@ZOS_GinaBruno

This is a joke, right?

I pointed that out on PAGE 5.
Edit: Here you go

So much feedback on 13 Pages, yet everything is getting ignored. Sad and expected at the same time.

do you not rember the gaint dk post and all constructive and all they gave us was fire leap and dragon blood but didnt or sustain or forced inot vampire

See... Has ZoS hasn't even responded once to this thread or made mention on ESO live?
No... I deleted my DK actually around the time they nerfed DK and gave warden a bunch of our passives.
Oh... It wasn't that moment... It was exactly that constructive discussion I've decided to blow up.

Thanks for bringing that back.

scipionumatia · October 2017

Joy_Division
September 29
I think I'm going to stop giving feedback as to what skills are bad because Wrobel believes the solution is to make the skills that are good bad such that choices are appealing.

Or I will resort to childish reverse psychology and claim the skills I like and use are unappealing such that they don;t get nerfed in future patches.

@Joy_Division

You know guys, empowering chains are OP. Best gap closer in the game dunno what I'd do without them, especially when you use them to empower your cauterize to get that godly burst heal.

Joy_Division · October 2017

scipionumatia wrote: »

Joy_Division
September 29
I think I'm going to stop giving feedback as to what skills are bad because Wrobel believes the solution is to make the skills that are good bad such that choices are appealing.

Or I will resort to childish reverse psychology and claim the skills I like and use are unappealing such that they don;t get nerfed in future patches.

@Joy_Division

You know guys, empowering chains are OP. Best gap closer in the game dunno what I'd do without them, especially when you use them to empower your cauterize to get that godly burst heal.

I legit laughed at that.

I dunno why Wrobel keeps giving sorcs interesting DK skills (first inferno, now a superior petrify), but you DKs might not mention Leap in your feedback, lest that replace Overload or something.

WhiteNoiseMaker · October 2017

I've pretty much given up on giving any constructive feedback. The only reason I'll have to check out PTS from here on out, is just to play with new toys, get an extra knowledge on what new content will be, but I won't bother giving feedback anymore. Wrobel's pretty much demonstrated total disdain for anything (good or bad) that the community here has to say.

Ragnarock41 · October 2017

WhiteNoiseMaker wrote: »

I've pretty much given up on giving any constructive feedback. The only reason I'll have to check out PTS from here on out, is just to play with new toys, get an extra knowledge on what new content will be, but I won't bother giving feedback anymore. Wrobel's pretty much demonstrated total disdain for anything (good or bad) that the community here has to say.

And when watching ESO live, me and the guildies were like
''With beard comes wisdom''

Turns out we were wrong.
Or maybe he has big plan and is about to suprise us all.
you never know.

Vynn · October 2017

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

WhiteNoiseMaker wrote: »

I've pretty much given up on giving any constructive feedback. The only reason I'll have to check out PTS from here on out, is just to play with new toys, get an extra knowledge on what new content will be, but I won't bother giving feedback anymore. Wrobel's pretty much demonstrated total disdain for anything (good or bad) that the community here has to say.

And when watching ESO live, me and the guildies were like
''With beard comes wisdom''

Turns out we were wrong.
Or maybe he has big plan and is about to suprise us all.
you never know.

Don't give them hope. The next betrayal will cut too deep.

Weps · October 2017

Yes Joy, and when people ask for an Implosion kind of passive, you hear the hills screaming for "nooooo, too Op on a DK".

Why even trying. Why even giving them money still?

scipionumatia · October 2017

Joy_Division wrote: »

scipionumatia wrote: »

Joy_Division
September 29
I think I'm going to stop giving feedback as to what skills are bad because Wrobel believes the solution is to make the skills that are good bad such that choices are appealing.

Or I will resort to childish reverse psychology and claim the skills I like and use are unappealing such that they don;t get nerfed in future patches.

@Joy_Division

You know guys, empowering chains are OP. Best gap closer in the game dunno what I'd do without them, especially when you use them to empower your cauterize to get that godly burst heal.

I legit laughed at that.

I dunno why Wrobel keeps giving sorcs interesting DK skills (first inferno, now a superior petrify), but you DKs might not mention Leap in your feedback, lest that replace Overload or something.

I laughed at yours too! its true though sorc now can root better than a dk, the class designed for rooting and CC is now outclassed in that aspect. not only did sorc get petrify but it got a range increase! like what? lol
as a rule we don't mention that one skill lest it gets nerfed, you know what I'm talking about

I wonder how long it would take for devs to reply if everyone actually unified to give troll feedback. Not advocating for it, just curious if these forums for class feedback are actually being acknowledged and willfully ignored or if zos is like that professor you had in college who only holds class because his contract isn't up with the university but he doesn't actually care what the students do and assigns arbitrary grades to papers he never took the time to read.

krathos · October 2017

you can tell how defeated everyone feels.

amir412 · October 2017

krathos wrote: »

you can tell how defeated everyone feels.

RIP DK master race. This time for good.

GeorgeBlack · October 2017

it annoys me how difficult ZOS is making it for players to play as they like, since we have all these skill lines, armor types and weapons.

DK in PvP has been reduced to SnB, 2h, destro staff.

krathos · October 2017

Weps · October 2017

I think I pretty much agree to everything Gilliam said in his video.

- The lack of sustaining passives other than the über-nerfed Battle Roar;
- The execution passive mechanic;
- The legitimate issues a PvP Magicka Dragonknight has when pretty much their entire offensive arsenal can be negated by a single button;
- The off-balance addiction in order to be able to perform.

I post the video here hoping that someone in the balancing teams will give it a try:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5wWAB85iow

beetleklee · October 2017

Yup, he says what I've been saying, but seems like ZOS wants to pigeon hole DKs into tank builds.

Kilandros · October 2017

Weps wrote: »

I think I pretty much agree to everything Gilliam said in his video.

- The lack of sustaining passives other than the über-nerfed Battle Roar;
- The execution passive mechanic;
- The legitimate issues a PvP Magicka Dragonknight has when pretty much their entire offensive arsenal can be negated by a single button;
- The off-balance addiction in order to be able to perform.

I post the video here hoping that someone in the balancing teams will give it a try:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5wWAB85iow

Good vid. He addresses the main mDK problem which is the worst resource sustain in the game. Unfortunately if ZOS watches it their take away will be to nerf 2 certain morphs since that's how it goes for DK.

RinaldoGandolphi · October 2017

Mag DK's themselves are perfectly fine, the issue is easy access to purge skills.

DOT's are intended to be the "hard counter" to folks who like to hold block. However, both the Alliance War Purge and the Templar Purge are simply OP for their cost. Also, Cloak should NOT suppress DOT damage...this is stupid...if a Nightblade can heal while he is cloaked, he shouldn't be able to supress damage too...this is the definition of poor game balance....a DOT should not reveal the Cloaked nightblade, but it shouldn't suppress the damage either.

Templars can remove 5 DOTS in one Global Cooldown for a fraction of the cost it costs a DK to apply the said DOT's. thats a BIG problem for class balance.

Address the OP Purge abilities in the game(you should still be able to purge, but not 5 effects at once, not for such a low cost, and most certinaly not spamable) and DK's will be in a good spot