Ok you ignored what I said. I'll break this down so you can understand. Blur doesn't remove snares. You don't care about the 15% dodge chance. What is your problem with blur on a stam heavy armor build if you don't care about the 15% dodge chance?
Ok you ignored what I said. I'll break this down so you can understand. Blur doesn't remove snares. You don't care about the 15% dodge chance. What is your problem with blur on a stam heavy armor build if you don't care about the 15% dodge chance?
Sigh. My problem is that the class overperform already at its current place with blur, even vs other Stam heavy armor(DK for example) using shuffle. thats my *** problem. That a class that not built into tanking, doing it better than a class that is + Have way more dmg output.
I dont expect u to understand, unless u played vs a Top tier player that has good ani cancel skills.
EDIT:
I've looked at ur twitch, ure a *** zerger, dont talk to me.
EDIT 2:
Watched abit more to confirm,
u died in a 2 vs 1, lel.
paulsimonps wrote: »Why always the hate on zergers though?
paulsimonps wrote: »Why always the hate on zergers though?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGuK0pGxHzI
Thats why.
Using the best combat system ive seen so far for this, is just ***.
Ok you ignored what I said. I'll break this down so you can understand. Blur doesn't remove snares. You don't care about the 15% dodge chance. What is your problem with blur on a stam heavy armor build if you don't care about the 15% dodge chance?
Sigh. My problem is that the class overperform already at its current place with blur, even vs other Stam heavy armor(DK for example) using shuffle. thats my *** problem. That a class that not built into tanking, doing it better than a class that is + Have way more dmg output.
I dont expect u to understand, unless u played vs a Top tier player that has good ani cancel skills.
EDIT:
I've looked at ur twitch, ure a *** zerger, dont talk to me.
EDIT 2:
Watched abit more to confirm,
u died in a 2 vs 1, lel.
You must be living on a different planet if you think that.....thankyourat wrote: »A sword and board heavy armor stam dk will be alot more tanky than a stamblade. A stamblade will have more damage output it seems pretty balanced. I don't really believe that stamblade is outperforming stam dk right now. Stam dk is still really good especially the reverb leap combo.
You must be living on a different planet if you think that.....thankyourat wrote: »A sword and board heavy armor stam dk will be alot more tanky than a stamblade. A stamblade will have more damage output it seems pretty balanced. I don't really believe that stamblade is outperforming stam dk right now. Stam dk is still really good especially the reverb leap combo.
paulsimonps wrote: »
A sword and board heavy armor stam dk will be alot more tanky than a stamblade. A stamblade will have more damage output it seems pretty balanced. I don't really believe that stamblade is outperforming stam dk right now. Stam dk is still really good especially the reverb leap combo.
thankyourat wrote: »
If you are a stamdk and are losing to a stamblade you just need a little more experience. The dragonknight class is a beast 1v1 in general. Honestly stamblade really isn't all that great it's probably the easiest class for me to beat and that's even top teir nightblades. As for dk they are just impossible to kill so just throw on legion and they get insane damage so while you take no damage yourself you can hit a good build with a 10k leap. Bad builds you can kill I'm one leap combo. I don't know where people get the idea that stam dk is bad. It was the same with mag dk awhile back and now it's a Unstoppable demi-god
paulsimonps wrote: »
A sword and board heavy armor stam dk will be alot more tanky than a stamblade. A stamblade will have more damage output it seems pretty balanced. I don't really believe that stamblade is outperforming stam dk right now. Stam dk is still really good especially the reverb leap combo.
I dunno who u duel, but clearly i can confirm that Heavy NB is much more tanky and have more dmg than stam DK. WAY more.thankyourat wrote: »
If you are a stamdk and are losing to a stamblade you just need a little more experience. The dragonknight class is a beast 1v1 in general. Honestly stamblade really isn't all that great it's probably the easiest class for me to beat and that's even top teir nightblades. As for dk they are just impossible to kill so just throw on legion and they get insane damage so while you take no damage yourself you can hit a good build with a 10k leap. Bad builds you can kill I'm one leap combo. I don't know where people get the idea that stam dk is bad. It was the same with mag dk awhile back and now it's a Unstoppable demi-god
Yo dude, i dont need any exp on dk, its my main since 1.4
Please come EU and whisper @Bambok13 for a duel and see for urself.
thankyourat wrote: »
I duel top teir nightblades on my platform all the time even the heavy armor bleed builds. they do have more damage output but they are not as tanky. There's no way for them to be For a couple reason. The main reason is They don't have major mending. The second is since the dk class can run dots they can effectivly run sword and board where if a stamblade was to run sword and board they would not have the pressure to kill me. I'm not really seeing how you are thinking stamblade is more tanky than a stam dk. What it sounds like is you struggle with stamblades for whatever reason and instead of it being user error you blame it on a class imbalance That's really not there (in my opinion at least) it doesn't matter how long you've played a class it's never too late to learn something new
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I duel top teir nightblades on my platform all the time even the heavy armor bleed builds. they do have more damage output but they are not as tanky. There's no way for them to be For a couple reason. The main reason is They don't have major mending. The second is since the dk class can run dots they can effectivly run sword and board where if a stamblade was to run sword and board they would not have the pressure to kill me. I'm not really seeing how you are thinking stamblade is more tanky than a stam dk. What it sounds like is you struggle with stamblades for whatever reason and instead of it being user error you blame it on a class imbalance That's really not there (in my opinion at least) it doesn't matter how long you've played a class it's never too late to learn something new
Ok you ignored what I said. I'll break this down so you can understand. Blur doesn't remove snares. You don't care about the 15% dodge chance. What is your problem with blur on a stam heavy armor build if you don't care about the 15% dodge chance?
Sigh. My problem is that the class overperform already at its current place with blur, even vs other Stam heavy armor(DK for example) using shuffle. thats my *** problem. That a class that not built into tanking, doing it better than a class that is + Have way more dmg output.
I dont expect u to understand, unless u played vs a Top tier player that has good ani cancel skills.
EDIT:
I've looked at ur twitch, ure a *** zerger, dont talk to me.
EDIT 2:
Watched abit more to confirm,
u died in a 2 vs 1, lel.
- Update 23Ice Furnace: This item set now grants Spell Damage, rather than Weapon Damage for the 4 piece bonus
thankyourat wrote: »
Ok you ignored what I said. I'll break this down so you can understand. Blur doesn't remove snares. You don't care about the 15% dodge chance. What is your problem with blur on a stam heavy armor build if you don't care about the 15% dodge chance?
Sigh. My problem is that the class overperform already at its current place with blur, even vs other Stam heavy armor(DK for example) using shuffle. thats my *** problem. That a class that not built into tanking, doing it better than a class that is + Have way more dmg output.
I dont expect u to understand, unless u played vs a Top tier player that has good ani cancel skills.
EDIT:
I've looked at ur twitch, ure a *** zerger, dont talk to me.
EDIT 2:
Watched abit more to confirm,
u died in a 2 vs 1, lel.
A sword and board heavy armor stam dk will be alot more tanky than a stamblade. A stamblade will have more damage output it seems pretty balanced. I don't really believe that stamblade is outperforming stam dk right now. Stam dk is still really good especially the reverb leap combo.
ok bro. Keep yapping. Your whining isnt going to change anything. Class skills are class skills for a reason. Allowing NB to blur enhances build diversity and a reason to play NB. Cry me more tears becaus gasp a NB has a unique skill like every other class has. That's what makes classes unique. However, if you want to advocate for cookie cutter builds go for it.
It's funny you didn't even know that blur doesn't remove snares lol. You tout yourself as this amazing Eu player and you don't even know class mechanics. One minute you claim you don't care abut 15% dodge chance next you do. Make up your mind, kid.
As for my stream I have nothing to prove to you. At last I put myself out there. Do you stream? Lol my reputation speaks for itself. I mostly 2vx with my buddy crusader. Sometimes out of boredom I solo Zerg surf because I play at non peak hours due to time zone differences, and at non peak hours that's where the only action is. There are some damn good players out there and some you just can't 1vx.
Tell ya what. Come to pc NA and We will 2v2 you and anyone else you want.
It's pretty pathetic you have to resort to trolling someone's stream... Are you in grade school?
paulsimonps wrote: »Again with the elitist "small scale" crap..... Why should they let that person go? They fighting is getting closer to the keep and the resource. Why should they leave him be? Guy could just as well turn around and stealth and then gank people that stray from the group. There is no reason for them no to kill him.
Being "small scale" does not make you better than others, thinking that you are makes you a giant A hole.
thankyourat wrote: »
Ok you ignored what I said. I'll break this down so you can understand. Blur doesn't remove snares. You don't care about the 15% dodge chance. What is your problem with blur on a stam heavy armor build if you don't care about the 15% dodge chance?
Sigh. My problem is that the class overperform already at its current place with blur, even vs other Stam heavy armor(DK for example) using shuffle. thats my *** problem. That a class that not built into tanking, doing it better than a class that is + Have way more dmg output.
I dont expect u to understand, unless u played vs a Top tier player that has good ani cancel skills.
EDIT:
I've looked at ur twitch, ure a *** zerger, dont talk to me.
EDIT 2:
Watched abit more to confirm,
u died in a 2 vs 1, lel.
A sword and board heavy armor stam dk will be alot more tanky than a stamblade. A stamblade will have more damage output it seems pretty balanced. I don't really believe that stamblade is outperforming stam dk right now. Stam dk is still really good especially the reverb leap combo.
I can beat 100% of the stamdks on your server on my heavy stamblade and that's a fact. Anyone that disagrees is free to hit me up on the pts for some lessons.
This change will force people to be more tanky and group up even more together.
It's going to be a ton of fun to fight 35k+ health DK playing alongside their pocket healer.
This will also even push the meta torwards Magicka builds even more, making them even stronger than ever.
(And, in my honest opinion, most Magicka builds are already more of a treat in Cyrodiil than Stam builds)
This change is horrible if none of this is done "fix" Snares and healing.
- Remove some snares from the game
- Snares should be debufffs (therefore NOT stacking)
- More snare removal tools (Fighters Guild?, Undaunted?, Stamina based Elusive Mist Form?)
- More burst healing option for stamina, outside of Rally (Fighters Guild? Undaunted? Per class?)
- Improve Medium Armor (there is clearly a balance issue between all 3 armor type, limiting the skill to 5 piece wearer is not the solution)
And let's face it this change hurts Stam DK the most. A lot less people would complain of this change if Green Dragon Blood was viable. (Equivalent of Coagulating but for Stamina?)
Forcing every stam toon to play 2H and use Rally is not very exciting and original, is it!?
Having 1 skill out of 4 snaring people isn't.
Being forced to play weak medium armor to not get snare (because Rally is a must, since all other burst healing source are crap) isn't either.
My suggestion to ZOS is :Push back this change, until you have look at the whole picture.
To get this right, a lot of tinkering and testing will need to be done.
Hilarity ensues. Making assumptions based on platform. Lol.thankyourat wrote: »
I duel top teir nightblades on my platform all the time even the heavy armor bleed builds. they do have more damage output but they are not as tanky. There's no way for them to be For a couple reason. The main reason is They don't have major mending. The second is since the dk class can run dots they can effectivly run sword and board where if a stamblade was to run sword and board they would not have the pressure to kill me. I'm not really seeing how you are thinking stamblade is more tanky than a stam dk. What it sounds like is you struggle with stamblades for whatever reason and instead of it being user error you blame it on a class imbalance That's really not there (in my opinion at least) it doesn't matter how long you've played a class it's never too late to learn something new
Cuz simply, ure fighting the wrong person.
Lemme guess, Xbox? PS4?
I struggle with 1 Specific nightblade who have the same amount of time invested in the class as i invested in dk's.
Finaly )) one of the best changes ever, if weapon skills are bound to weapons then armor skill should be bound to armor to Now im waiting for armor ultimates
Nobody used it for dodge chance. Most people in heavy want to get hit for wrath and constitution passives, as well as things like fury and 7th legion.
People use it for snare removal - because every skill in this game is a snare these days.
Blur is irrelevant really. Most stamblades are in medium as it is.
deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »Drakkdjinn wrote: »RIP snare counterplay.
Preview of Cyrodiil gameplay:
Maybe this is their roundabount way of dealing with cyro lag -- if half the population is snared, everyone's character will run at the same speed as ZoS' servers.
Full heavy armor should not be highly mobile to begin with, not compared to medium armor. If they want the heavy armor meta to change, this change needs to happen. I find it a "semi-buff" to medium armor. Or at least a reason for people to run it more.
With that logic- then light armor should have a sprint/dodge increase speed over medium armor...
@LegendaryMage
First of all, no hard feelings. You're a great player in my opinion, but I have to put this out here.
I do agree with you on the fact that heavy undeath bloodspawn builds are strong and even borderline OP if played right. That is the case for every class except stamdk which just lacks the tools nowadays.
However, calling people out on using shield ult and whatnot as crutches shouldn't come from the player that is camping mines and atro on a sorc or permacloaking/spamming rolldodges on a heavy stamblade (again, no offense). Those play styles are just as bad (if not a little worse or maybe a little better) as the one you pointed out.
Undeath is a crazy OP passive, and most likely the one thing that is carrying this build in particular, but that is also a very strong passive on shieldstacking builds, let's not forget that. :P
Incap can be spammed, that is true, but so can the atro, to a certain degree, dawnbreaker or 2h ult. Incap is obviously the odd one out as it does a bit too much for its cost, and I agree that it needs a nerf, but it's not THAT superior to any other ultimate.
The build I believe we are talking about (jeff's build) is also not using any dedicated heavy armor sets; it's using a medium set and a crafted set. Now yes, the crafted set is heavy and bloodspawn is still an issue, but I strongly believe the game has moved past the whole "op heavy sets" by now.
I do agree that defile is crazy OP (in conjunction with CP it's what basically carries certain classes like stamplars).
Also, regarding your final statement where you discredit and say that anyone who plays such a build is not actually any good: I urge you to reconsider; you know very well that it's not true. I won't go into naming anyone, I'll just leave you to ponder on that statement for a bit. I know I am not the greatest stamblade to talk about this, but I have this other stamblade in mind who I'm pretty sure was winning against all kinds of classes long before he ever switched to sword and board. He also plays other classes like stamplar or stamdk, duels which I'm sure know the outcome of :P
LegendaryMage wrote: »@Subversus btw I forgot to add that atronach is a shell of what it used to be. It can be killed with incap in no time, and atro costs 170 while incap costs 70, so automatically the NB has over a 2x ulty advantage in that fight, and that's significant.
Also, the reason why I can deal with such builds is because I'm playing a very evasive sorc setup myself, with lots of dodges and no stamina issues, so that misses me often, but I can tell you that when it doesn't, it hurts like hell and there is no better damaging ultimate in the game other than incap, if you can land it.
And finally, in our stam nb vs stam nb duels, I dueled you without cloak (and on an open world setup), so let's be fair here. :P