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Magicka Sorc - if you cant beat them then join them

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I have been playing ESO for about 3 months now.
Been playing WoW for about 10 years so I am not definitely not new to MMO.
My very first class in ESO was a NB and I immediately observed that there is something wrong with Stam NB (stamina in general) and I did raise a lot of threads on that hoping to get attention from ZOS (similar to Blizz).


Got bupkis from ZOS



https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/335874/stamina-vs-magicka-a-new-players-perspective#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/337455/stamina-nightblade#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/337588/which-class-urgently-warrants-attention-from-devs#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/339019/stamina-nightblade-question#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/340044/show-some-love-for-nightblades#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/340753/should-nightblades-be-played-as-magicka#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/341023/playing-this-class-is-worse-than-having-non-anesthetic-dental-surgery#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/342419/nightblade-class-should-come-with-warning#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/345456/does-eso-lack-adequate-number-of-stamina-morphs#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/346074/post-patch-poll-which-class-is-the-runt-of-the-litter-in-morrowind-now#latest


When Morrowind came, I got cheated into believing that I will be getting a class with a pet.

All I got was neutered bear which was clunky, slow and near useless initially.

I again raised hue and cry by creating lot of threads on how bad the bear.


https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/349198/what-happened-to-all-the-bears#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/352287/what-good-is-the-warden-bear#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/352432/pet-attack-mob-first#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/355987/any-plans-to-revamp-warden-bear#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/357017/how-come-warden-bear-passed-morrowind-beta#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/358212/my-sincere-apologies-to-my-warden-bear#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/358682/no-love-for-our-warden-bear-in-the-horns-of-the-reach-dlc#latest

Nada from ZOS




Few days back I thought what the heck and I leveled the "God Class" (Magicka Sorc Altmer)

OMFG so far I can see

Heals (35% HP heal..lolwut that too from a pet)
Atleast I could see two shields
Amazing Damage (I have quite some CPs as this is not my first class now)
Pets that are actually useful
and I go on....





TLDR :

In the words of Sun Tzu "if you cant beat them then join them"

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    • Thought ZOS cared about class balance.
    • Refused to play meta.
    • Then stopped being masochistic and rerolled a Mag Sorc
    • Enjoying the game now :)




    @ZOS : Please dont change anything on the Sorc. They are the only balanced class in ESO. And thanks for providing such a wonderful gaming experience.

    I should have realised this below equation long time back :)

    But you know what my Stam NB gave me nearly 200 CPs which has boosted my Mag Sorc further...so alls good :)

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    • Anti_Virus
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      Datz Rite mane.
      Power Wealth And Influence.
    • trinimacNcheese
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      why make so many forum posts that have the same topic?
    • RT_Frank
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      I think your tldr needs a tldr...
    • ForsakenSin
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      why make so many forum posts that have the same topic?

      because-he-amp-039-s-batman_o_1382587.jpg

      "By many i am seen as hero...as a savior of the Tamriel i will not stop until every Daedra every evil there is in Tamriel is vanquish by my hands..
      However i do this for my own purpose to gain trust of mortals to worship me and to eliminate my competition i will not bend my knee to lead your army to serve you Molag Bal , i will simply just take it from you.."--- Forsaken Sin( Magica Sorc)



      Arise From Darkness Forsaken SIn
      "You have been a loyal High Elf Magica Sorc
      Conjure of Darkness, Master of Magic
      Killer of Molag Bal and Savior of Ebonheart Pact
      Until Dark Brotherhood killed you...
      but now..NOW its time to Arise From Darkness once again..."

    • vpy
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      why make so many forum posts that have the same topic?

      You are right mate.

      Guess it was a bad habit that I picked up from my previous experience with WoW.

      With WoW, if something was bad we discuss about it in the forums.

      Once a critical mass of attention is given, Blizz (almost without exceptions) looked into it.

      Guess I should have realised ZOS =/= Blizz

    • DivinityDay
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      I'm not going to lie, I didn't read anything but it all looked very nice. There was even pictures and all!

      SCORE:

      WALL OF TEXT DEDUCTION: -53 points

      BODY OF TEXT & ORGANIZATION: +21 points

      CHOICE OF TOPIC: -78 points

      PICTURES: + 1,347 points

      OVERALL: Entertaining and innovative! But I've seen this movie before :(
      Edited by DivinityDay on July 13, 2017 12:34AM
      @AmariaNaria's chars:
      NA - PC
      Divinity Day Sorc DPS - AD
      Amaria Day DK TANK - AD WW
      Talia Shade NB BOW/DW - AD WW
      Amaria Naria NB 2H/DW - AD WW
      Kali Day Magplar - AD VAMP
      Dekaria Bombblade AD


    • redshirt_49
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      Stamblade has a high skill ceiling, but single target damage potential is higher than any other class, so yeah.

      Mag Sorc is easy mode for playing solo, it's easy to pick up. It's a bit tankier than Stamblade thanks to damage shields, wards and surge. Plus, the AoE damage makes you feel like you're doing damage more efficiently.

      I find stamblade more difficult than other classes but also more rewarding.
    • xRIVALENx
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      Was almost tempted to pull "The Art of War" off the shelf to see if your quote was correct :)
    • Phica_Lovic
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      vpy wrote: »

      I immediately observed that there is something wrong with Stam NB (stamina in general) and I did raise a lot of threads on that hoping to get attention from ZOS (similar to Blizz).

      lol, okay. Something wrong with stam. wut
      PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!

      Phica -Max CP - Lvl 50 Argonian Sorc Healer since launch

    • Betsararie
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      I changed my main to a mag sorc multiple patches ago.

      Why? At the time is was clear they were the top dps class, for various reasons.

      However, at that time I also assumed they would be on the top for the long run. Turned out I was correct.

      I had a hunch, and it turned out to be correct.

      I think ZOS wants them to be the primary DD class (something has to be). So I switched to playing sorc long ago. It's also the most fun class to play.
    • MisterBigglesworth
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      vpy wrote: »
      why make so many forum posts that have the same topic?

      You are right mate.

      Guess it was a bad habit that I picked up from my previous experience with WoW.

      With WoW, if something was bad we discuss about it in the forums.

      Once a critical mass of attention is given, Blizz (almost without exceptions) looked into it.

      Guess I should have realised ZOS =/= Blizz

      A bit off-topic but can you do me a favor? I need you spam Blizzard about getting Shadow Priest buffed.
      thnx k bye

      Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.
    • S1ipperyJim
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      I came to exactly the same conclusion a while ago and never looked back. Magsorc = EZ mode
    • vpy
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      vpy wrote: »
      why make so many forum posts that have the same topic?

      You are right mate.

      Guess it was a bad habit that I picked up from my previous experience with WoW.

      With WoW, if something was bad we discuss about it in the forums.

      Once a critical mass of attention is given, Blizz (almost without exceptions) looked into it.

      Guess I should have realised ZOS =/= Blizz

      A bit off-topic but can you do me a favor? I need you spam Blizzard about getting Shadow Priest buffed.
      thnx k bye
      Sure mate.
      I will spam them once you pay me to renew my cancelled account (as you cant post in the WoW forums without an active sub)
    • Morgul667
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      People focus on sorc but today most classes can pull similar DPS.

      When you level a new char, it is always easy mode whichever class you find (scaling makes miracle).

      Used to play sorc when they were in a bad place, now i have moved to other classes (I dont like to play the same as everybody) and I find other classes are quite amazing.

      At the very least, Stamina NB is quite interesting at the moment :) Very high single target DPS

    • Vonnegut2506
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      xRIVALENx wrote: »
      Was almost tempted to pull "The Art of War" off the shelf to see if your quote was correct :)

      It's not.
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      Apathy always wins
    • MisterBigglesworth
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      vpy wrote: »
      vpy wrote: »
      why make so many forum posts that have the same topic?

      You are right mate.

      Guess it was a bad habit that I picked up from my previous experience with WoW.

      With WoW, if something was bad we discuss about it in the forums.

      Once a critical mass of attention is given, Blizz (almost without exceptions) looked into it.

      Guess I should have realised ZOS =/= Blizz

      A bit off-topic but can you do me a favor? I need you spam Blizzard about getting Shadow Priest buffed.
      thnx k bye
      Sure mate.
      I will spam them once you pay me to renew my cancelled account (as you cant post in the WoW forums without an active sub)

      You'll be back.
      Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.
    • Zvorgin
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      We got it, you want ESO to be WoW and 3 in 3 months you've run a forum campaign to see it happen.
    • Anlace
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      You're not wrong. I have a warden, a templar, and a sorc, and when I spend any time on the sorc it blows me away how much power I have, how all my abilities work together so nicely and they all fire when I tell them to and everything is liquid gold.

      It would awesome if all the classes felt like that.

      But I have to say since the Morrowind update I'm a lot more interested in my warden. The sorc just does her dailies and scoops up a few CP. Most powerful =/= most fun.
      Edited by Anlace on July 13, 2017 2:59AM
      Templar - Warden - Sorc
      all magicka all the time
    • Velvelya
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      I have never hated Sorcs more then when BG dropped. Seeing a team of sorcs streak from flag to flag disgusts me.
    • dpencil1
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      Welcome to the fold @vpy
      I've played a ranged caster character in every RPG and MMO I've played. So when I started playing ESO when it went B2P, Magicka Sorcerer was the obvious choice. I would be playing it even if it were the worst class in the game. I've tried making alts, but only gotten as far as lvl 30 before tiring of them and coming back to my mSorc. I thought the Warden might be different. I made it to lvl 15 before going back into full time mSorc mode.

      All of that background is to say this:
      At the end of the day, choose the playstyle that suites you. If you enjoy playing a ranged caster that can use pets and shields, the mSorc is great fun. If you prefer physical melee fighting with various weapon florishes and reactive dodging and blocking, you're not going to have much fun even if you are doing good dps.

      So it may be less about how powerful the mSorc is and more about how it just naturally fits your preferred playstyle better.
    • Saint_Bud
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      Stam is bad at the moment? Stam out dps evrythink with no problem and the rotations are much smarter because of fast ha.
      PVP Saint-Bud magicka Templar: AR 49
      PVE Lord Victarion mDK : dro'm-Athra-Destroyer pre Morrowind retired for crafting
      PVE Ramsay-Bolton magicka NB: Voice of Reason Clockwork City Patch retired
      VAA hm/ VHRC hm/ VSO hm/ VMOL hm/ VHOF hm/ VAS hm clear

      Stop playing PVE because its boring, content not disigned for melee players and class balance and sustain is ***
    • Morvane
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      StamSorc is worst balanced and developed class in game, lol
      3,5 skills...(armor, hurricane, dark deal and sometimes dark rune)
      its not class its poor "enchancer" or weapon buffer
      DC Dunmer Sorcerer since 2014
      @morvayn54, PC/EU
    • SanTii.92
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      I read the first one of your threads: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/337455/stamina-nightblade#latest
      Nothing about anything wrong about nbs or stamina in general. I feel bamboozled. I refuse to keep opening threads now.

      No, but serioulsy. You really think that with 3 months of play and only after lvling a single class you are in any position to call for buffs or nerfs? Here is my advice, play whatever class you feel most comfortable with. Dps differences are so marginal that it doesn't really matter.
      When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
      the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.

      Arg | Pc Na | Factionless Mag Warden.
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      SanTii.92 wrote: »
      I read the first one of your threads: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/337455/stamina-nightblade#latest
      Nothing about anything wrong about nbs or stamina in general. I feel bamboozled. I refuse to keep opening threads now.

      No, but serioulsy. You really think that with 3 months of play and only after lvling a single class you are in any position to call for buffs or nerfs? Here is my advice, play whatever class you feel most comfortable with. Dps differences are so marginal that it doesn't really matter.

      he is right, stamina nightblade is horrible. and magicka sorcerer is now and has allways been max damage and max defence.
      ive been playing stamina nightblade since 2013 beta
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    • Junkkis
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      my main is khajit magNB. currently leveling sorc, 42 lvl atm. surge really need heal tis much? 3000-4500 heals every 1 sec kinda OP...
    • teladoy
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      I break faces with my stamina NB and with my magicka sorcerer i don't feel the same power... i think is a build problem of you guys... I would post L2P but... what a hell L2P!
    • MirkoZ
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      L2p.
    • Chadak
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      My stamblade is great for ganking in Cyro. Feels like it just isn't my cup of tea in PvE and I absolutely loath running dungeons with it, but its fine for picking flowers and doing writs. I hate the sustain changes Morrowind brought, but that's another topic.

      Its just a one trick pony. You wanna play Stamblade, you go murder the utter bejezus out of one target at a time in Cyro.

      I honestly can't think of a deadlier class to get jumped by out there, and my stamblade can utterly wreck most people in five seconds, whereas I always have a fight on my hands with my magsorc.

      The problem I think a lot of people, in this case the OP, wind up having is in winding up expecting all the classes to be equally good at everything there is to do in the game, and that just isn't how it is.

      You want to AoE big groups of trash down? Magsorc's hard to keep up with on that front, plus its a pretty well designed class with a lot of powers that flow nicely.

      You want to make a virtually unkillable tank? DK, with about 12 points on Stamina and stam regen on your jewelry. Puff up your health, get your taunts and revel in rolling around being un-freaking-killable with some of the best defensive class powers in the game, and a cheap ulti that is basically like throwing on demigod mode for a bit.

      You want to try to outheal the magtemplar? Ok son. Maybe Warden could do well with that now, but Warden's the new kid on the block. I will laugh you up one side and down the other if you sit here crybabying about how DK, sorc and NB can't heal as well as templars, because that's bloody well obvious and always has been.

      Everything can roam the world, do quests and kill stuff just fine. I find it easiest to burn through large quantities of quest trash on my magsorc because low hp + lots of mobs = magsorc field day. It takes longer for me to do stuff on my DB stamblade, but not because of lack of damage or even insufficient AoE. Its because my stamblade can't heal itself for sh** compared to my sorc since NB siphoning relies so heavily on magicka and you're stuck throwing marks, popping your buff and spamming light/heavy attacks while burning stam on Bloodthirst spam just to stay upright.

      So the healing is there even on stamblade, but its a lot clunkier and you'll still incinerate under spikes of damage, unlike a sorc that's actually using hardened ward and, god help us all, the clannfear or matriarch heals.

      My Stam DK is rolling around going greatsword/bow and...yet again, the healing is trash, but the damage is at least as good as what I can throw out on my sorc, and the AoE when using GS and bow in proper sequence and tandem is pretty high as well. Self healing is rough, but between using green dragon blood as a solid 'oshizzle' button, judicious use of Brawler and its small but effortlessly spammable shield and constant uptime on Rally, it feels more able to heal itself than my stamblade even though the stamblade has more self healing powers, as the stamblade's main source of healing relies on killing targets.

      Against world and dungeon bosses, your only hope is to not get damaged in the first place and hope you can find an add to gank if you need to during the fight, because Mark is otherwise no good for healing yourself. Spamming bloodthirst and light attacks during leeching strike's constant uptime is what you're left with, and its not nothing.

      Ain't great. Ain't garbage. I'm not a fan of dungeoning with mine, but you can bet that there'll come along a dozen others after this post saying they love it and farm vMA on their stamblade and do just fine, and you know what?

      They probably do. And that's cool too.

      And then there's my templar that I'm leveling. I went magicka with this one because HOLY SHNIKEYS, I don't even know what to do with all this healing. It doesn't feel like it hits as hard or as wide an area as my magsorc, but in the course of leveling, the only time I've died on it so far has been by falling off things or getting eaten by slaughterfish. Only time I farm dolmens on it is to get some new jewelry of the same three piece set, because running around questing in maglar self-healing solid-DPS godmode is hilarious and feels surprisingly relaxed to me. If I ever take it out into Cyrodil, I'll go full healermode and not even try to out-DPS the better DPSers or out-tank the tanks, because there ain't no heals like a maglar heals, son.

      I've been messing around with soloing world bosses on that thing and its proving far easier than even on my magsorc, and I wouldn't have a fart's hope in a windstorm of doing that with my stamDK or stamblade.

      Haven't dabbled in Warden yet. The whole theme of the class puts me off, and I haven't been enjoying seeing all the cliffracer spam/magic bears everyone seems to hate galomphing every which way.

      Let me turn the bear into a giant cat and use other animations/sound effects for the cliff racer business and I'll give it a go. Otherwise...its the first time in a long time, on any game, that I've been so repelled by the visual/audio components of a class that that alone makes me not want to ever play it.

      But yeah. Every class' toolbox has something in it that makes that class better at 'their thing' than all the other classes.

      CAN you play a stamsorc? Sure. Will it run neck and neck with a stamblade in all things in all the same ways?

      No. Never ever. Stamblade will remain completely unthreatened as the sneak-sneak-stab-stab king of ganking in Cyrodil.

      CAN you play a stamplar? Sure. Why you would do that when all its amazing heals are magicka, I'll never understand, but you're free to make terrible lifechoices.

      You can do lots of things that are sub-optimal and fail entirely to take advantage of what your class makes you best at.

      Just don't sit around crying about how you think something's broken because every class isn't equally good at everything in all ways.

      Figure out what class does what you want to do and play it. Stop trying to play your stamblade like its a magsorc, for example. You're not for blitzing through delves and public dungeons, mass murdering everything you see all at once in less than five seconds. You're for stealthing up on a single target and butchering the bejesus out of them, and nobody can do that better than you. Nobody. No matter how hard they try. You've got the tools and you've got the spammable stealth that, as a stamblade, isn't even pulling off your damage dealing resource pool to use with some very respectable regularity, so long as you mind your limited magicka pool and regen rate.

      I'm not a huge fan of PVP on here either, and I still take my stamblade out into cyrodil pretty much daily. Why?

      Because that's where it belongs, my friend. That's where it was made to show its true strength.

      You'll never see a stamblade, or any NB, living up to their full potential in PvE. And frankly, I hate taking my magsorc out into Cyrodil, because it feels like a one trick pony there; an DPS bot with some heavily nerfed shields and pets, if you choose to run them, that will sometimes behave very stupidly and will usually heal the wrong people if you choose to use a healer pets at all.

      Use your screwdriver on screws. Use your can opener on cans. Frustration levels diminish greatly when you play the right class for the job.

      Edited by Chadak on July 13, 2017 1:32PM
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