Does ESO lack adequate number of Stamina morphs ?

vpy

For a MMO, I believe ESO lacks a variety in melee (stamina in ESO lingo) skills. Almost all the classes share a subset of melee (stamina) abilities making them bland and not original/unique.

How many of you believe the same ?

Elsonso

Personally? I think "stamina morphs" are poor game design. So, I have to admit that there are way too many of them.

Zorgon_The_Revenged

Destro staff needs a heal and an execute.........

ArchMikem

Yeah ZOS...we need more Stamina morphs

I NEED a Stamina Lava Whip. My DK NEEDS to whip and nae nae.

SASChris

Yeah ZOS...we need more Stamina morphs

Considering that the game requires you to choose between stam or mag as a primary resource pool - rather than having everyone rely on magicka to use abilities - yeah, i'd say the game is a bit lacking in stamina morphs. Most class exclusive skills can only use magicka, so those with mag-based builds end up having a lot more options concerning class skills when compared to those running stam builds. For instance out of the 15 skills avalible to dk (not including ults of course) only two can be morphed to stamina, and both are damage skills.

Although I have to admit that i'm primarily bothered by the fact that it's nearly impossible to make a viable stam-based healer. Warden may help with this a bit, but I guess we'll see in due time.

Fiskerton

Other: remove resource scaling and make all damage scale off weapon. Make class abilities use exclusively magicka and weapon skills exclusively stamina.

cabbageub17_ESO

Fiskerton wrote: »

Other: remove resource scaling and make all damage scale off weapon. Make class abilities use exclusively magicka and weapon skills exclusively stamina.

How about scale damage from a combination of magicka and stamina? Weapons could base off 2/3 stamina and 1/3 magicka. Class abilities could base off 1/3 magicka and 2/3 stamina. That way a hybrid might actually not suck but still lean characters towards Magicka / stamina model.

Nemesis7884

Yeah ZOS...we need more Stamina morphs

i think it might be a good idea to get another magicka weapon line (meleeish) so it is more balanced there and then at the same time have more balanced magicka vs stamina morphs

STEVIL

Nah...bro..I am happy with the number of current stamina morphs

As always choose the negative when extraneous baggage added to options in polls.

Does ESO lack adequate number of Stamina morphs ? - No

Could it benefit from having more - yes.

Adequate and being happy with status quo are not synonyms.

TheShadowScout

Nah...bro..I am happy with the number of current stamina morphs

Nah.
Stamina has four weapon lines to magicas two. That perfectly balances the magica leaning in the class skills, I say!

If anything, I'd want more skill lines, one way or another, especially if there could be some choice... like guild skill lines, have some where you have to choose between a "stamina theme" guild -or- a "magica theme" guild, or something like that...
...maybe following that old "guild mastery" idea of mine, where you can choose one of your guilds to "master", thereby gaining access to a new selection of "advanced" guild skills - but you'd have to -choose- one among the

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Yeah ZOS...we need more Stamina morphs

Aren't you the level 30 something who's created like a 100 different threads?

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Yeah ZOS...we need more Stamina morphs

On topic yes

Juhasow

ArchMikem wrote: »

I NEED a Stamina Lava Whip. My DK NEEDS to whip and nae nae.

I think they Zenimax employees said like 10 times they wont add stamina whip to DK.

WhiteMage

Well, the thing is, magicka and stamina skills and builds weren't originally designed to be mutually exclusive. When they no longer fit their intended purpose, they figured that with enough bandaids they could escape a rework. No one wants to do it the right way because it is the hard way, but the longer you put it off the harder it gets.

theher0not

Yeah ZOS...we need more Stamina morphs

I calculated how many skill lines there are for magicka compared to stamina on my DK.

Stam has 8 stam only. Magicka has 7 (8 if we include Adrant Flame that has 2 stam morphs in total) of which 1 of the skill lines are a 3 in one (destro staffs have a different effect depending on what kind, so it is almost like they have 3 difderent weapons in one)

so effectivley they have 10. (I did not include Undaunted or alliance war since they have some balance between stam and magicka skills)

So don't come and say that "stamina has more weapon choices therefore they don't need more morphs". Also stamina only get to use 2 of their skill lines at once (3 with Fighters Guild) while magicka can use all 8 if they want.

scipionumatia

Yeah ZOS...we need more Stamina morphs

Juhasow wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I NEED a Stamina Lava Whip. My DK NEEDS to whip and nae nae.

I think they Zenimax employees said like 10 times they wont add stamina whip to DK.

Awww man why not? I don't really like wrecking blow, it takes too long to use and is pretty easy to block/avoid. It would be nice to have a hard hitting class skill to use while on my 2h bar.

dday3six

Here's the thing. It's quality over quantity. Stamina doesn't need more morphs to be brought to parity. They need quality morphs. Also some utility skills are better as Magicka because then it doesn't leave a resource pool unused.

FearlessOne_2014

Yeah ZOS...we need more Stamina morphs

Stamina could use some more morphs in the class ability trees. Just like Magicka could use alot of love in the weapon trees. However this would have to force ZOS to make a 3rd morph on the class tree abilities. ZOS should not and could not take more class abilities from magicka based players. In order to give them to stamina. More so when Stamina has the weapon tree advantage.

Solariken

WhiteMage wrote: »

Well, the thing is, magicka and stamina skills and builds weren't originally designed to be mutually exclusive. When they no longer fit their intended purpose, they figured that with enough bandaids they could escape a rework. No one wants to do it the right way because it is the hard way, but the longer you put it off the harder it gets.

QFT, but at this point we just need to remove damage/healing scaling on your primary resource so that you can use whatever morph you want.

leepalmer95

Nah...bro..I am happy with the number of current stamina morphs

Nah theres enough.

Stamina has 4 damaging weapon skill lines
Magicka has 1 damaging weapon skill line.


While a lot of class skills are 'magicka' , most of them aren't damaging and are support skills.

As a stamina build you have a free resource pool (magicka) to basically dump when you want into utility skills and effects, cloak/ wings/ igneous/ purge etc... They don't do damage but provide utility. A stamina player out of magicka isn't in trouble, a magicka player out of stamina is.

As a magicka player you can't do that, you still have to manage your stamina and can't afford to waste any on utility skills, very rarely using a cp passive may a magicka player use stamina skill but mostly no. All your damage/ heals/ utility/ buffs and debuffs come from 1 stat pool.

If you take away the utility skills stamina has around the same usable damage skills as magicka.

cmetzger93

The Bros and brahs need to be nerfed.

IcyDeadPeople

Yeah ZOS...we need more Stamina morphs

The balance has improved a lot compared to the first year or so when there were no stamina morphs at all and no physical/weapon dmg ultimates, but we still need a few more options for stamina players to differentiate the classes.

How about turning crystal blast into stam morph (which nobody uses anyways), and a stamina/poison whip for DKs?

Avalon

Nah...bro..I am happy with the number of current stamina morphs

Nah, we need some Magicka morphs on weapon skills, though

Galwylin

Yeah ZOS...we need more Stamina morphs

There's no way stamina and magicka are on even playing fields. And that's a problem unless a class is just a collection of weapon skills.

Morvane

Yeah ZOS...we need more Stamina morphs

Sorc needs few more stamina morphs first at all