BigBragg wrote: »

Furinol wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

Avalon wrote: »

Kind of the problem... I do a LOT of crafting, and like to try and keep up with motifs as best as I can. However, the ones I don't have are really rare, and kind of costly... so, they are on traders for anywhere between 10 and 50K... do me a favor, go search through every trader for something like Yokudan Gloves, and see who has the cheapest. Not asking anyone to find it for me, just to tell me how long it took them to find it. Everyone keeps talking about how this leads to large fluctuations in prices, with the ability to find great deals, and make great sales, etc, but it is because of that, that the system becomes almost unusable.

And, for those that are constantly talking about the 'NOW' crowd and instant gratification... You need to hop off of the internet, we will only be accepting your replies after they are written and mailed into ZOS. Oh yeah, we have the internet!! Most of us use Amazon! Or some other online site for shopping... Stop being ***es. Just because we are playing a game set in a non-modern world doesn't mean we have to have mechanics based on that ancient way of life. Forcing it on a player base that uses modern conveniences all the time is worse than just poor decision making.

I do this, using AwesomeGuildStore to save my search, it takes me ~30 minutes to hit all the hubs. I usually skip the one-off trader stranded out by themselves unless I really need one specific item and cannot find it. This just shows that a lot of the issues is more the lack of UI function that gives people a bad taste for the guild trader system.

30 minutes to go shopping in game.... with add-ons. In your attempt to prove this isn't a hassle I believe you proved the opposite.

Pressing keys and moving a mouse is so labor intensive... you caught me.

Not what I said. But feel free to misquote to suit your narrative.

Furinol wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

Furinol wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

Avalon wrote: »

Kind of the problem... I do a LOT of crafting, and like to try and keep up with motifs as best as I can. However, the ones I don't have are really rare, and kind of costly... so, they are on traders for anywhere between 10 and 50K... do me a favor, go search through every trader for something like Yokudan Gloves, and see who has the cheapest. Not asking anyone to find it for me, just to tell me how long it took them to find it. Everyone keeps talking about how this leads to large fluctuations in prices, with the ability to find great deals, and make great sales, etc, but it is because of that, that the system becomes almost unusable.

And, for those that are constantly talking about the 'NOW' crowd and instant gratification... You need to hop off of the internet, we will only be accepting your replies after they are written and mailed into ZOS. Oh yeah, we have the internet!! Most of us use Amazon! Or some other online site for shopping... Stop being ***es. Just because we are playing a game set in a non-modern world doesn't mean we have to have mechanics based on that ancient way of life. Forcing it on a player base that uses modern conveniences all the time is worse than just poor decision making.

I do this, using AwesomeGuildStore to save my search, it takes me ~30 minutes to hit all the hubs. I usually skip the one-off trader stranded out by themselves unless I really need one specific item and cannot find it. This just shows that a lot of the issues is more the lack of UI function that gives people a bad taste for the guild trader system.

30 minutes to go shopping in game.... with add-ons. In your attempt to prove this isn't a hassle I believe you proved the opposite.

Pressing keys and moving a mouse is so labor intensive... you caught me.

Not what I said. But feel free to misquote to suit your narrative.

Guy was asking about time it takes to find a rare item. The time is far from the standard model. I was equating key pressing in a factious manner, because I find that that amount of time versus farming for rare items to be well within reason. Anything else?

Lol, nope nothing else. Arguing on the internet is a worse use of time than trader hopping.

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Secondly, I clear VMA on 4 separate toons (msorc, mdk, stamsorc, and magplar) each week and am in the 30-40s on Leaderboards. On top of that, I do enough "Farming" to rake in about 150k in sales each week.

I consider myself an average player.

Really? Do you really?

Malamar1229 wrote: »

What you are doing is creating an argument straight out of selfishness....aka what is best for you.

Isn't that what you are doing?

I can succeed in the current system and I enjoy it! It does not need to change!

Just because you feel like you'd be more "successful" in a different system doesn't mean your full-on defense of the current market system is not selfish self-interest. You're still looking out for you.

I prefer unified auction house. More competition = better prices.

Synfaer wrote: »

A more relevant poll would be;
How many polls have we had about a unified auction house since beta -
a) zero, I have lived under a forum rock for the past 2 years
b) a few, I have just registered for the forums in the last few days
c) a lot, [snip] and they just don't stop
d) I don't care about these polls I just want my Auction Horse mount

d) No other way

ps. Guys you're beating this ancient and not really alive horse for 6 pages already:)

[edited to remove quote]

BigBragg wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

The current setup is better for the consumer. If you want to sell in one of the better locations, join one of those guilds. Easy.

Now I do think they could add better functionality to finding items with each merchant, but that is another topic.

Yeah so mastermind when the guilds that own all the traders in that area have max guild capacity then what happens to the other 80% of the player base?
EASY?
I swear some ppl half a brain dangerous
The current set up is only better to the ppl who are making money constantly and locking the majority of players out of the system..

I am in two that are in capitals and usually have room for invitations.

Making assumptions about intelligence and then insulting based on that assumption really only shows how bright you think you are. Check your ego in the forums, flaming and baking doesn't produce productive conversation (even in one's like this that have been done to death).

How much room 20k of players 30 k 40k maybe even 50k because there the amounts of players missing out by the 2 of the guilds that your in you even taking 1 spot away from another player by being in 2 guild in the same area! As for my flaming or whatever bs your on about how does just join a guild in a popular area solve the issue for the players that do get locked out by your guilds that prob own the same traders every week in major city's??

If there is usually room for more to join, the only people missing out are the ones who don't want to participate. Join a trading guild. You can be in up to five different guilds. I am not limiting anyone's chances, in fact I often give out invitations to players so they can join in. So instead of getting your panties in a twist, go be social, join a trading guild, and get paid. Easy.

iam in 5 with 1 I pay 10 k a week to sell in it and its always in a main city fact is it's still a stupid system that should be changed to benifit everyone not just Rich guilds controlling the traders .. which brings me back to to same argument that doesn't seem to sink in with some there a far more than players than traders and guild spots to sell stuff so it's once again for the challenged ..
an unfair system!
That caters to only the rich guilds that can keep bidding big forcing smaller guilds out of the system constantly!!

Edit: Deleted b/c Auction House thread posters/commenters are going to continue this even though the idea has been shut down by developers in the past. It's not worth the argument.

62% for guild trader
38% against

Another thread showing that a majority on Forums likes The System and the big auction house cryers are the loud minority

For me the problem is not with buying, but selling. As a more casual player now, that takes breaks from the game. Staying in a decent tradeguild is just impossible.

Like others have suggested, I really wish there was a way for unguilded players to at least sell a few wares, without having to sit and spam zonechat.

For more established and "full time" players, the current system is probably fine. So I sadly don't expect any changes unless the playerbase starts declining.

Banetek wrote: »

I bet all you guys or at least a very large percentage of you that are against a global AH system all use mods to check the current market value of items, and or use mods to search for your items..

Yes i do use mods, master merchant and awesome guild store.
But that doesnt have to do with the topic.
I would Prefer guild traders if i played on console Too.

Awesome guild stores is something that should have been implemented into the Base game, search for key words at traders.
So thats Not really an argument for auction house, just one for search Bars.

And MM is a way to estimate prices, you would need something like that in an auction house too, so again no point for AH

I voted for the auction system only becauce searching for one particular item is terrible..I don't mean through different traders I mean in the masses of items and (at least on console anyway) only having the ability to sort by time or cost. Atleast give us the abaility to sort by name or search for a name. I don't mind jumping from wayshrine to wayshrine going to the local vendors, its a pain sometimes but something I can live with.

An alternative to an auction house is maybe something on this site where you can choose your server etc and search for an item so you atleast know which vendor it is on.

Well, I had a year off. But it's nice to see AH threads are still alive and kicking.

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

YOU are the one who is being selfish here, becasue current system works for YOU, gives YOU an advantage? you want to keep it. but this is not a fair system. this is not an even playing field.

Playing devils advocate here....why shouldn't it? If I have been established for 3 years why should the new guy be on equal footing? Survival of the fittest baby...


PS- When I said weekly minimums I meant guild bank deposits. Trade guilds in prime spots should require minimum sales, they cost a fortune to maintain. you have 500 spots in the guild, why would a competitive guild keep someone who is only selling Fleshfly larva and Lady's smock for a whopping 500g per week? No different that a competitive raid roster....boot out the under performers.

You're problem is you want a trophy for coming in 8th place.

Get real

Get good

Etc

This wouldn't be a problem with an auction house or central marketplace.

In addition to whatever else has been said.

The effectiveness of a centralized auction house stants in direct relation with the level of inflation in a game, which in turn has a direct relation with the amount of money that is created in game. IE gold drop, quest rewards and vendor prices.

TBH im not sure what the inflation levels are, but looking at some of the prices i expect them to be pretty large?
Im a measly casual that is sitting on 100k, not doing any trading (because im on console and i prefer playing the game, not scrolling through tons of stuff and travel times)

The trader system artificially prevents inflation because of their inherent costs. Without it the amount of currecy per character would probably rise drastically, which in turn raises prices to exclude even more new/casual players.

While i would like to see a global trade system, where i can directly find whatever it is i need, ESO's economical system effectively is build on the traders. Which is also why Zenimax will not change it. The current system "works" to keep the economy stable. Its as simple as that.
Second as someone else stated, a crafting gear economy is vastly different from a drop gear economy. Again something else they need to change.
Third: Expansions. Expansions are great way to completely reset an economy. The availability of higher level materials/gear effectively resets a system. Now as far as i know the 160 gear mark isnt going to change any time soon, which means, as someone else stated, the economy becomes sated by supply levels and prices just keep dropping.

Motifs are a great example. People only need it once per character and once you have them, its done. Now if they would come up with a system where you can combine 5x motif x into a random motif y suddenly those become a commodity again.

Now in a perfect game, a global "auction house" would be the most optimal and user friendly. Prices would be set by supply and demand based on the amount of time it takes to "grind" certain amounts of gold. If something sells for a lot of gold, more people would go farm it, rarity drops, it becomes cheaper. But ESO was never setup to work this way. Thus were stuck with an inferior user friendly system, but one that keeps the game actually functioning.

Downside of this system
Exclusion of the true casual players: those that log in for a couple of hours a week to do quests and sometimes want to improve their gear. They dont have acces to sell the stuff they dont want/need and they cant easily obtain upgrades.

Every action an individual has to take in order to participate in a system is a barrier, how trivial this barrier might be for some.
I can see the point of working for what you get. But in the current system newer players or more casual players like me dont participate. Which is fine, me and many others will just keep playing this like a glorified single player game. ^^

TL;DR
Because ESO economy was build up based on a trader system it would be neigh impossible to implement a global AH because it would force zenimax to change the majority of underlying systems. Drops/crafting/loot/gold sinks etc. This doesnt mean that the current system is very user friendly however.