Ask nicely from CoS spiders.

Swarm Mother is my ideal monster set for pledges on my Sap Tank, since I have a large Magicka pool to work with and Siphoning Attacks, so I can afford to range taunt a few extra mobs. Besides, it's incredibly convenient to kite around and pull every mob to 1 place.

For the more serious stuff, I wouldn't use it tho

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Btw Pirate is by far the best choice for tanks. It's pretty obvious I don't get why the forums are so slow to realize.

It's a bad day to be out of popcorn

WalksonGraves wrote: »

You missed my point, pulling mobs is never necessary and sacrificing a monster helm to do so is ridiculous. Btw Pirate is by far the best choice for tanks. It's pretty obvious I don't get why the forums are so slow to realize.

Like, wow, just. Wow.

Pirate Skeleton? I really hope you're just joking.

First of all: chains may not be necessary, but it is insanely useful. And as a tank, you're supposed to be all about utility.

Secondly, you seriously do not need Pirate Skeleton. It makes you overly tanky and does absolutely nothing for the group. Hell, I've tanked all vet dungeons on hardmode at 20k resistances and no resistance buffs. I've tanked all Craglorn vet trials with Bloodspawn. You really do not need more than 30k resistances. At 33k it gets capped anyway. Even a defending weapon does more than Pirate Skeleton.

WalksonGraves wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

You missed my point, pulling mobs is never necessary and sacrificing a monster helm to do so is ridiculous. Btw Pirate is by far the best choice for tanks. It's pretty obvious I don't get why the forums are so slow to realize.

Like, wow, just. Wow.

Pirate Skeleton? I really hope you're just joking.

First of all: chains may not be necessary, but it is insanely useful. And as a tank, you're supposed to be all about utility.

Secondly, you seriously do not need Pirate Skeleton. It makes you overly tanky and does absolutely nothing for the group. Hell, I've tanked all vet dungeons on hardmode at 20k resistances and no resistance buffs. I've tanked all Craglorn vet trials with Bloodspawn. You really do not need more than 30k resistances. At 33k it gets capped anyway. Even a defending weapon does more than Pirate Skeleton.

Overly tanky? Oh god I sure wouldn't want to be taking less damage as a tank. Thank you for saving me from being effective in my role.

You do realize the cap at 50% dr is only for armor and not other dr effects right?

I'd say 30% less damage most of the time (guard) is far more important than wasting your time trying to attract trash mobs.

yes cause you take so much damage in a veteran dungeon.....

April Fools was yesterday

Triggered

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

You missed my point, pulling mobs is never necessary and sacrificing a monster helm to do so is ridiculous. Btw Pirate is by far the best choice for tanks. It's pretty obvious I don't get why the forums are so slow to realize.

Like, wow, just. Wow.

Pirate Skeleton? I really hope you're just joking.

First of all: chains may not be necessary, but it is insanely useful. And as a tank, you're supposed to be all about utility.

Secondly, you seriously do not need Pirate Skeleton. It makes you overly tanky and does absolutely nothing for the group. Hell, I've tanked all vet dungeons on hardmode at 20k resistances and no resistance buffs. I've tanked all Craglorn vet trials with Bloodspawn. You really do not need more than 30k resistances. At 33k it gets capped anyway. Even a defending weapon does more than Pirate Skeleton.

Overly tanky? Oh god I sure wouldn't want to be taking less damage as a tank. Thank you for saving me from being effective in my role.

You do realize the cap at 50% dr is only for armor and not other dr effects right?

I'd say 30% less damage most of the time (guard) is far more important than wasting your time trying to attract trash mobs.

yes cause you take so much damage in a veteran dungeon.....

Just because I laugh at the Warriors feeble swipes in vhelra doesn't mean I'm going to make a worse build for dungeons. Pugging vets is usually harder than tanking trials due to the nub factor.

There is a time and a place to be tanky but in most vet dungeons it is more beneficial for the group to add utility than more defense. In pug groups it may help to be as tanky as possible but If you are in a group with competent players, it is much better to help the dungeon go by faster by positioning trash mobs or buffing teammates /debuffing mobs.

I said "pug" and you said "competent players".
Save the ebon+tavas speech for someone who can't do math.

Want math? The difference for me with and without Pirate Skeleton on the Warrior would be this:

Mitigation my set up=100*(1-0.5*0.5*0.8*0.9*0.92*0.92*0.7*0.75)=92.00152

Mitigation my set up+pirate skeleton=100*(1-0.5*0.5*0.8*0.9*0.92*0.92*0.7*0.75*0.7)=94.401064

94.401064-92.00152=2.399544

I get ~2.4% extra total mitigation but I lose 15% healing received on a heal heavy fight. And from my current set up I would also lose 341 magicka recovery from not using my 1p Chokethorn 1p Shadowrend. I think I will take the mag regen and healing received over 2.4% mitigation.

WalksonGraves wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

You missed my point, pulling mobs is never necessary and sacrificing a monster helm to do so is ridiculous. Btw Pirate is by far the best choice for tanks. It's pretty obvious I don't get why the forums are so slow to realize.

Like, wow, just. Wow.

Pirate Skeleton? I really hope you're just joking.

First of all: chains may not be necessary, but it is insanely useful. And as a tank, you're supposed to be all about utility.

Secondly, you seriously do not need Pirate Skeleton. It makes you overly tanky and does absolutely nothing for the group. Hell, I've tanked all vet dungeons on hardmode at 20k resistances and no resistance buffs. I've tanked all Craglorn vet trials with Bloodspawn. You really do not need more than 30k resistances. At 33k it gets capped anyway. Even a defending weapon does more than Pirate Skeleton.

Overly tanky? Oh god I sure wouldn't want to be taking less damage as a tank. Thank you for saving me from being effective in my role. You know how it helps the group? I can rez the group between hvy attacks because between my dr and my hp pool I can survive it. Not wiping is pretty useful.

You do realize the cap at 50% dr is only for armor and not other dr effects right?

I'd say 30% less damage most of the time (guard) is far more important than wasting your time trying to attract trash mobs.

Bro, that's insightful. Can you res us during the following battles?

CoS dunmer boss
Malubeth
Bandu (FG II)
Molag Kena
(List goes on a while)

Mitigation is important as a tank, yes! If your allies die because you aren't applying maim, as an example, then you create a situation where you could have aided your team mates, being more effective than an unlivable wall of flesh.

That's what others are saying. Utility can be more important than survivability. If the healer is alive, most likely you will be too. If your DPS are hitting harder because of alkosh/warhorn, the fight won't last as long and there will be less chance for a mistake. Ignoring that is saying dots do low damage, so don't bother with them on dps builds. It is certainly a big part of your role.

WalksonGraves wrote: »

You missed my point, pulling mobs is never necessary and sacrificing a monster helm to do so is ridiculous. Btw Pirate is by far the best choice for tanks. It's pretty obvious I don't get why the forums are so slow to realize.

Umm nope. That's a terrible idea. Healing received is extremely important for a tank, both PvE and PvP.

Oompuh wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

The only tanks that annoy me are the ones in the forums. They find the absolute worst possible garbage and declare it meta out of ignorance.

Well it explains xD

paulsimonps wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

You missed my point, pulling mobs is never necessary and sacrificing a monster helm to do so is ridiculous. Btw Pirate is by far the best choice for tanks. It's pretty obvious I don't get why the forums are so slow to realize.

Like, wow, just. Wow.

Pirate Skeleton? I really hope you're just joking.

First of all: chains may not be necessary, but it is insanely useful. And as a tank, you're supposed to be all about utility.

Secondly, you seriously do not need Pirate Skeleton. It makes you overly tanky and does absolutely nothing for the group. Hell, I've tanked all vet dungeons on hardmode at 20k resistances and no resistance buffs. I've tanked all Craglorn vet trials with Bloodspawn. You really do not need more than 30k resistances. At 33k it gets capped anyway. Even a defending weapon does more than Pirate Skeleton.

Overly tanky? Oh god I sure wouldn't want to be taking less damage as a tank. Thank you for saving me from being effective in my role.

You do realize the cap at 50% dr is only for armor and not other dr effects right?

I'd say 30% less damage most of the time (guard) is far more important than wasting your time trying to attract trash mobs.

yes cause you take so much damage in a veteran dungeon.....

Just because I laugh at the Warriors feeble swipes in vhelra doesn't mean I'm going to make a worse build for dungeons. Pugging vets is usually harder than tanking trials due to the nub factor.

There is a time and a place to be tanky but in most vet dungeons it is more beneficial for the group to add utility than more defense. In pug groups it may help to be as tanky as possible but If you are in a group with competent players, it is much better to help the dungeon go by faster by positioning trash mobs or buffing teammates /debuffing mobs.

I said "pug" and you said "competent players".
Save the ebon+tavas speech for someone who can't do math.

Want math? The difference for me with and without Pirate Skeleton on the Warrior would be this:

Mitigation my set up=100*(1-0.5*0.5*0.8*0.9*0.92*0.92*0.7*0.75)=92.00152

Mitigation my set up+pirate skeleton=100*(1-0.5*0.5*0.8*0.9*0.92*0.92*0.7*0.75*0.7)=94.401064

94.401064-92.00152=2.399544

I get ~2.4% extra total mitigation but I lose 15% healing received on a heal heavy fight. And from my current set up I would also lose 341 magicka recovery from not using my 1p Chokethorn 1p Shadowrend. I think I will take the mag regen and healing received over 2.4% mitigation.

There is no way you get anywhere near those numbers.

Wow. Most of you act like there is one set to rule the world. Like there is only one way to be a successful tank. Positioning and a good healer are way more important for trash than a tank. Some of these bosses can 1 shot cloth users if they dont have a bubble up whether the boss is debuffed or not. The most important thing for the tank is the ability to stay alive even if the healer goes down. You die the group could be in trouble. Whatever works best for you to accomplish that is great. As a templar tank I can heal and tank and run 3 dps in any dungeon outside of trials and I could prolly do it in just about any decent armor build.

Asmael wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

You missed my point, pulling mobs is never necessary and sacrificing a monster helm to do so is ridiculous. Btw Pirate is by far the best choice for tanks. It's pretty obvious I don't get why the forums are so slow to realize.

Like, wow, just. Wow.

Pirate Skeleton? I really hope you're just joking.

First of all: chains may not be necessary, but it is insanely useful. And as a tank, you're supposed to be all about utility.

Secondly, you seriously do not need Pirate Skeleton. It makes you overly tanky and does absolutely nothing for the group. Hell, I've tanked all vet dungeons on hardmode at 20k resistances and no resistance buffs. I've tanked all Craglorn vet trials with Bloodspawn. You really do not need more than 30k resistances. At 33k it gets capped anyway. Even a defending weapon does more than Pirate Skeleton.

Overly tanky? Oh god I sure wouldn't want to be taking less damage as a tank. Thank you for saving me from being effective in my role.

You do realize the cap at 50% dr is only for armor and not other dr effects right?

I'd say 30% less damage most of the time (guard) is far more important than wasting your time trying to attract trash mobs.

yes cause you take so much damage in a veteran dungeon.....

Just because I laugh at the Warriors feeble swipes in vhelra doesn't mean I'm going to make a worse build for dungeons. Pugging vets is usually harder than tanking trials due to the nub factor.

There is a time and a place to be tanky but in most vet dungeons it is more beneficial for the group to add utility than more defense. In pug groups it may help to be as tanky as possible but If you are in a group with competent players, it is much better to help the dungeon go by faster by positioning trash mobs or buffing teammates /debuffing mobs.

I said "pug" and you said "competent players".
Save the ebon+tavas speech for someone who can't do math.

Want math? The difference for me with and without Pirate Skeleton on the Warrior would be this:

Mitigation my set up=100*(1-0.5*0.5*0.8*0.9*0.92*0.92*0.7*0.75)=92.00152

Mitigation my set up+pirate skeleton=100*(1-0.5*0.5*0.8*0.9*0.92*0.92*0.7*0.75*0.7)=94.401064

94.401064-92.00152=2.399544

I get ~2.4% extra total mitigation but I lose 15% healing received on a heal heavy fight. And from my current set up I would also lose 341 magicka recovery from not using my 1p Chokethorn 1p Shadowrend. I think I will take the mag regen and healing received over 2.4% mitigation.

There is no way you get anywhere near those numbers.

10% DK passive (block)
20% Sword & board passive (block)
50% Blocking
25% CP
50% from being armor capped

Not counting a bunch with Circle of protection, Minor main and the like, so... No, Pirate skeleton is an extremely mediocre set for tank, and this level of mitigation is more than possible - unecessary even in vet dungeons, as even DDs can tank the majority of bosses.

LOL hahaha I even forgot to account for the Minor maim

WalksonGraves wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

You missed my point, pulling mobs is never necessary and sacrificing a monster helm to do so is ridiculous. Btw Pirate is by far the best choice for tanks. It's pretty obvious I don't get why the forums are so slow to realize.

Like, wow, just. Wow.

Pirate Skeleton? I really hope you're just joking.

First of all: chains may not be necessary, but it is insanely useful. And as a tank, you're supposed to be all about utility.

Secondly, you seriously do not need Pirate Skeleton. It makes you overly tanky and does absolutely nothing for the group. Hell, I've tanked all vet dungeons on hardmode at 20k resistances and no resistance buffs. I've tanked all Craglorn vet trials with Bloodspawn. You really do not need more than 30k resistances. At 33k it gets capped anyway. Even a defending weapon does more than Pirate Skeleton.

Overly tanky? Oh god I sure wouldn't want to be taking less damage as a tank. Thank you for saving me from being effective in my role.

You do realize the cap at 50% dr is only for armor and not other dr effects right?

I'd say 30% less damage most of the time (guard) is far more important than wasting your time trying to attract trash mobs.

yes cause you take so much damage in a veteran dungeon.....

Just because I laugh at the Warriors feeble swipes in vhelra doesn't mean I'm going to make a worse build for dungeons. Pugging vets is usually harder than tanking trials due to the nub factor.

There is a time and a place to be tanky but in most vet dungeons it is more beneficial for the group to add utility than more defense. In pug groups it may help to be as tanky as possible but If you are in a group with competent players, it is much better to help the dungeon go by faster by positioning trash mobs or buffing teammates /debuffing mobs.

I said "pug" and you said "competent players".
Save the ebon+tavas speech for someone who can't do math.

Want math? The difference for me with and without Pirate Skeleton on the Warrior would be this:

Mitigation my set up=100*(1-0.5*0.5*0.8*0.9*0.92*0.92*0.7*0.75)=92.00152

Mitigation my set up+pirate skeleton=100*(1-0.5*0.5*0.8*0.9*0.92*0.92*0.7*0.75*0.7)=94.401064

94.401064-92.00152=2.399544

I get ~2.4% extra total mitigation but I lose 15% healing received on a heal heavy fight. And from my current set up I would also lose 341 magicka recovery from not using my 1p Chokethorn 1p Shadowrend. I think I will take the mag regen and healing received over 2.4% mitigation.

There is no way you get anywhere near those numbers.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/279426/damage-mitigation-explanation-and-list-of-options/p1

Yes I can

Well that explains it, you don't understand the difference between adding and multiplying percentages. 20% more block doesn't mean 20% mitigation it means 10%. The more important difference is I maintain close to blocking levels of dr when I'm not blocking.

br0steen wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

You might as well run no gear at all.
Better alternatives for nb? Teleport strike.

You realize moving around to taunt everything moves what you have taunted already because they follow you.

Swarm mother is useful, someone just doesn't like non dk tanks. You are entitled to your opinion.

I am a nb tank.
All real tanks use melee taunt. Teleport not only bypasses aoe it gets you next to party members in need instantly. That and the small aoe for pulling help grab npc attention while taunting.