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Dear non dk tanks, enough about swarm mother
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MaselClass RepresentativeGood luck doing a 3 hour vDSA on a non-DK tank without swarm mother. Good chaining/pulling/taunting mobs is the most important part in there and basically the only thing a tank needs to do (similar to all 4-man content)
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✭✭✭✭Pirate Skeleton + Reactive + Vampirism mitigation can stack well in PvP to help survivability in some builds. But I agree for PvE is not only useless, it's downright detrimental, especially in fights where you take a lot of damage fast (Warrior - vHRC) or where the healing debuff stacks with mechanics (Velidreth - vCOS). If anything, there you should use a set with the opposite effect, like Scourge Harvester. You must make sure that the burst heal fully heals you before the next thing hits you. If it heals you only ~85% you may not survive the next attack.
I've tanked the Warrior and I was getting insane amounts of damage trough block and with almost capped resistance ~30K. I was going literally from 100% to 20% or less in each swipe, and I had around 35K health. I was using the circle of protection too. And the healer was spamming BoL, with dragon blood active on my part. Shaving 15% of that burst heal for ~5% more mitigation (at best) would have been a bad deal. Actually the safest strategy there for me has been doing two quick roll dodges during that attack, both away from the group, somewhat perpendicular to each other, to keep him in about the same spot for that moment.Edited by Asardes on April 4, 2017 12:58PMBeta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
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Yes, it is, the 1piece is useless, and the 2nd pieces extra resistance should not be relied upon and in a well formed group with 4 warhorns going out you want to stay in rotation and not just blast your horn when you get it so in almost every instance the ulti gen is not needed. So I say again. Bloodspawn is overrated.Edited by paulsimonps on April 3, 2017 2:29PM4 -
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✭✭On my Nightblade I run Troll King and make sure to keep refreshing path down for constant heal and the Shadow Barrier passive. It makes my Nightblade Tank almost unkillable...
I agree that Swarm Mother is not worth it though. I rarely block in trash pulls which is where it is worthwhile to use. It needs to pull the furthest hostile NPC within 28m regardless of whether they are attacking me then I might give it another shot.Playing since beta...0 -
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✭OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »Put up a video of you doing a hm trial with this set up.
I will when I have one. You have to have no life to have enough free time to organize that many people for a multi hour dungeon. That and there is no reason since there are no sets I want, only thing left to get is the veli skin my build is already at it's peak.0 -
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Multi hour dungeon?! Multi hour...WalksonGraves wrote: »OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »Put up a video of you doing a hm trial with this set up.
I will when I have one. You have to have no life to have enough free time to organize that many people for a multi hour dungeon. That and there is no reason since there are no sets I want, only thing left to get is the veli skin my build is already at it's peak.
Ok, I see. I see
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Multi hour dungeon?! Multi hour...WalksonGraves wrote: »OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »Put up a video of you doing a hm trial with this set up.
I will when I have one. You have to have no life to have enough free time to organize that many people for a multi hour dungeon. That and there is no reason since there are no sets I want, only thing left to get is the veli skin my build is already at it's peak.
Ok, I see. I see
That's what the vmol guides say...0 -
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✭✭This is bad to hear, but I'm still trying to get that stupid shoulder so I can see for myself. Biggest thing I miss on my NightBlade saptank is having no chains for adds. Now I'm using shadowrend for the magic recovery.
For Vet trials, I think it's hard to beat DK tank. It's just easier. Like a lot easier.
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Like... I don even...WalksonGraves wrote: »
That's what the vmol guides say...
https://youtu.be/AOwxiHhwZM4?t=5m55s
25 minutes. Vet HM. Hello there.
Granted, it's Hodor. It's a leaderboard speedrun. But... But... But it doesn't take more than 1 hour if the group is competent!
No vet trial is several hours instance! Well... Unless someone does something wrong... You know... Especially tank...
English isn't my native, apologies for any mistakes.13 -
Oompuh✭✭✭✭✭This thread now gives me 2 days on entertainment. Oh boyXbox NA - Oompa
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WalksonGraves✭✭✭✭✭
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Like... I don even...WalksonGraves wrote: »
That's what the vmol guides say...https://youtu.be/AOwxiHhwZM4?t=5m55s
25 minutes. Vet HM. Hello there.
Granted, it's Hodor. It's a leaderboard speedrun. But... But... But it doesn't take more than 1 hour if the group is competent!
No vet trial is several hours instance! Well... Unless someone does something wrong... You know... Especially tank...
So just for some history, this thread was about swarm mother sucking. I never claimed I was some vmol vanquishing badass. That was some dinguses who have never tried my build trying to derail the thread.
But gj comparing me to the top speed run, it was totally relevant. I bet the tank did 100% of the damage and healing to get those sick times.Edited by WalksonGraves on April 3, 2017 4:00PM2 -
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Like... I don even...WalksonGraves wrote: »
That's what the vmol guides say...https://youtu.be/AOwxiHhwZM4?t=5m55s
25 minutes. Vet HM. Hello there.
Granted, it's Hodor. It's a leaderboard speedrun. But... But... But it doesn't take more than 1 hour if the group is competent!
No vet trial is several hours instance! Well... Unless someone does something wrong... You know... Especially tank...
This. We're not as fast as those guys are but we're at about 30-34 minutes if everything goes right.PC EU
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Oompuh✭✭✭✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »
Like... I don even...WalksonGraves wrote: »
That's what the vmol guides say...https://youtu.be/AOwxiHhwZM4?t=5m55s
25 minutes. Vet HM. Hello there.
Granted, it's Hodor. It's a leaderboard speedrun. But... But... But it doesn't take more than 1 hour if the group is competent!
No vet trial is several hours instance! Well... Unless someone does something wrong... You know... Especially tank...
So just for some history, this thread was about swarm mother sucking. I never claimed I was some vmol vanquishing badass. That was some dinguses who have never tried my build trying to derail the thread.
But gj comparing me to the top speed run, it was totally relevant. I bet the tank did 100% of the damage and healing to get those sick times.
This thread was about your opinion of swarm mother being bad. People disagreed. You then went on to say pirate skeleton is the best, which made us question your credibility. Then you discredited paulsimons verified calculations and called a majority of end game tanks cowards for holding block. Now we're having fun at your expense.Xbox NA - Oompa
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No. This thread logically escalated into questionong your very understanding of the game and especially group content. And you prove that you have none with your every post.WalksonGraves wrote: »So just for some history, this thread was about swarm mother sucking. I never claimed I was some vmol vanquishing badass. That was some dinguses who have never tried my build trying to derail the thread.
But gj comparing me to the top speed run, it was totally relevant. I bet the tank did 100% of the damage and healing to get those sick times.
This, for example, is stupid beyond measure.WalksonGraves wrote: »You missed my point, pulling mobs is never necessary and sacrificing a monster helm to do so is ridiculous.
Yes, pulling mobs IS necessary. It is your job.
The tank which doesn't pull mobs is the same thing is the healer who doesn't provide resources. "My job is healing, you all live, resources aren't my job". Well, you will not be happy if healer denied you shards, right?
You are doing the same thing.
But honestly? Why do I even bother... You don't listen and you don't want to understand.English isn't my native, apologies for any mistakes.7 -
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✭WalksonGraves wrote: »
Like... I don even...WalksonGraves wrote: »
That's what the vmol guides say...https://youtu.be/AOwxiHhwZM4?t=5m55s
25 minutes. Vet HM. Hello there.
Granted, it's Hodor. It's a leaderboard speedrun. But... But... But it doesn't take more than 1 hour if the group is competent!
No vet trial is several hours instance! Well... Unless someone does something wrong... You know... Especially tank...
So just for some history, this thread was about swarm mother sucking. I never claimed I was some vmol vanquishing badass. That was some dinguses who have never tried my build trying to derail the thread.
But gj comparing me to the top speed run, it was totally relevant. I bet the tank did 100% of the damage and healing to get those sick times.
This thread was about your opinion of swarm mother being bad. People disagreed. You then went on to say pirate skeleton is the best, which made us question your credibility. Then you discredited paulsimons verified calculations and called a majority of end game tanks cowards for holding block. Now we're having fun at your expense.
It's cool I've been laughing at you guys too. The difference is I actually have all these sets and test them out. You guys are just feeding of each other's ignorance.Edited by WalksonGraves on April 3, 2017 4:15PM1 -
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No. This thread logically escalated into questionong your very understanding of the game and especially group content. And you prove that you have none with your every post.WalksonGraves wrote: »So just for some history, this thread was about swarm mother sucking. I never claimed I was some vmol vanquishing badass. That was some dinguses who have never tried my build trying to derail the thread.
But gj comparing me to the top speed run, it was totally relevant. I bet the tank did 100% of the damage and healing to get those sick times.
This, for example, is stupid beyond measure.WalksonGraves wrote: »You missed my point, pulling mobs is never necessary and sacrificing a monster helm to do so is ridiculous.
Yes, pulling mobs IS necessary. It is your job.
The tank which doesn't pull mobs is the same thing is the healer who doesn't provide resources. "My job is healing, you all live, resources aren't my job". Well, you will not be happy if healer denied you shards, right?
You are doing the same thing.
But honestly? Why do I even bother... You don't listen and you don't want to understand.
lol you fool, pulling mobs to my position obviously I'm using a taunt. Breaking news the ai runs at you!
Btw unlike your terrible dk "I don't move or bar swap with dying" build mine doesn't require outside help to maintain resources.Edited by WalksonGraves on April 3, 2017 4:21PM0 -
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Oh rly?WalksonGraves wrote: »lol you fool, pulling mobs to my position obviously I'm using a taunt. Breaking news the ai runs at you!
You succesfully manage to pull all archers in vet HM Selene? Because you know... If tank doesn't pull them so DD can burn them fast, the group wipes 80%.
You pull all mobs in vet RoM on last boss also? You pull Stone macers on HM fast enough so DD can burn them before stones start reking everything?
You. Have. No. Idea. What. You're. Talking. About.
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Oh rly?WalksonGraves wrote: »lol you fool, pulling mobs to my position obviously I'm using a taunt. Breaking news the ai runs at you!
You succesfully manage to pull all archers in vet HM Selene? Because you know... If tank doesn't pull them so DD can burn them fast, the group wipes 80%.
You pull all mobs in vet RoM on last boss also? You pull Stone macers on HM fast enough so DD can burn them before stones start reking everything?
You. Have. No. Idea. What. You're. Talking. About.
You don't know about line of sight ai mechanics?
Better yet, you think taunting all those mobs and then waiting for swarm mother is fast?Edited by WalksonGraves on April 3, 2017 4:26PM0 -
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You don't know about positioning mobs so DD can burn them, which is very important in eng-game content, because in most cases it's DPS race?WalksonGraves wrote: »You don't know about line of sight ai mechanics?
Better yet, you think taunting all those mobs and then waiting for swarm mother is fast?
You think that people who at least try to do their job is worse than you, who even doesn't?
English isn't my native, apologies for any mistakes.5 -
Oompuh✭✭✭✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »
Like... I don even...WalksonGraves wrote: »
That's what the vmol guides say...https://youtu.be/AOwxiHhwZM4?t=5m55s
25 minutes. Vet HM. Hello there.
Granted, it's Hodor. It's a leaderboard speedrun. But... But... But it doesn't take more than 1 hour if the group is competent!
No vet trial is several hours instance! Well... Unless someone does something wrong... You know... Especially tank...
So just for some history, this thread was about swarm mother sucking. I never claimed I was some vmol vanquishing badass. That was some dinguses who have never tried my build trying to derail the thread.
But gj comparing me to the top speed run, it was totally relevant. I bet the tank did 100% of the damage and healing to get those sick times.
This thread was about your opinion of swarm mother being bad. People disagreed. You then went on to say pirate skeleton is the best, which made us question your credibility. Then you discredited paulsimons verified calculations and called a majority of end game tanks cowards for holding block. Now we're having fun at your expense.
It's cool I've been laughing at you guys too. The difference is I actually have all these sets and test them out. You guys are just feeding of each other's ignorance.
No no you're right. It's not like every tank who has ever done hard mode maw has used ebon and alkosh, and ~95% have been dks. Iill use the tried and true trial score setup while you, oh great tank, haven't done a hard mode trial and sit in dungeons with your entire group dead but hey.. you're alive.
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✭✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »
Like... I don even...WalksonGraves wrote: »
That's what the vmol guides say...https://youtu.be/AOwxiHhwZM4?t=5m55s
25 minutes. Vet HM. Hello there.
Granted, it's Hodor. It's a leaderboard speedrun. But... But... But it doesn't take more than 1 hour if the group is competent!
No vet trial is several hours instance! Well... Unless someone does something wrong... You know... Especially tank...
So just for some history, this thread was about swarm mother sucking. I never claimed I was some vmol vanquishing badass. That was some dinguses who have never tried my build trying to derail the thread.
But gj comparing me to the top speed run, it was totally relevant. I bet the tank did 100% of the damage and healing to get those sick times.
This thread was about your opinion of swarm mother being bad. People disagreed. You then went on to say pirate skeleton is the best, which made us question your credibility. Then you discredited paulsimons verified calculations and called a majority of end game tanks cowards for holding block. Now we're having fun at your expense.
It's cool I've been laughing at you guys too. The difference is I actually have all these sets and test them out. You guys are just feeding of each other's ignorance.
Please keep posting, its making my week.WalksonGraves wrote: »
No. This thread logically escalated into questionong your very understanding of the game and especially group content. And you prove that you have none with your every post.WalksonGraves wrote: »So just for some history, this thread was about swarm mother sucking. I never claimed I was some vmol vanquishing badass. That was some dinguses who have never tried my build trying to derail the thread.
But gj comparing me to the top speed run, it was totally relevant. I bet the tank did 100% of the damage and healing to get those sick times.
This, for example, is stupid beyond measure.WalksonGraves wrote: »You missed my point, pulling mobs is never necessary and sacrificing a monster helm to do so is ridiculous.
Yes, pulling mobs IS necessary. It is your job.
The tank which doesn't pull mobs is the same thing is the healer who doesn't provide resources. "My job is healing, you all live, resources aren't my job". Well, you will not be happy if healer denied you shards, right?
You are doing the same thing.
But honestly? Why do I even bother... You don't listen and you don't want to understand.
lol you fool, pulling mobs to my position obviously I'm using a taunt. Breaking news the ai runs at you!
Btw unlike your terrible dk "I don't move or bar swap with dying" build mine doesn't require outside help to maintain resources.
ARCHERS AND MAGES DON'T RUN TO YOU! And chaining these mobs in is really really helpful, not just in killing them all faster but to keep them taunted and debuff easier. A good example is the Wraiths in the 9th Arena of vDSA can deal a lot of damage if not chained in and interrupted and running over to them to do it rather than chaining takes longer and you will lose taunt on other mobs and you might get someone killed. Archers in vDSA as well as in other dungeons are also dangerous with their endless hail and focused aim. Chaining them in gives you a much easier time controlling them without losing control of other things.But you go on ahead and keep thinking ranged mobs run up to you in melee range.8 -
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You don't know about positioning mobs so DD can burn them, which is very important in eng-game content, because in most cases it's DPS race?WalksonGraves wrote: »You don't know about line of sight ai mechanics?
Better yet, you think taunting all those mobs and then waiting for swarm mother is fast?
You think that people who at least try to do their job is worse than you, who even doesn't?
I do it by taunting and breaking line of sight, it really isn't hard. You're arguing about nonsense, no one is running hm anything using that ***.
Find me a run with a non dk tank wearing swarm mother.0 -
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✭paulsimonps wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »
Like... I don even...WalksonGraves wrote: »
That's what the vmol guides say...https://youtu.be/AOwxiHhwZM4?t=5m55s
25 minutes. Vet HM. Hello there.
Granted, it's Hodor. It's a leaderboard speedrun. But... But... But it doesn't take more than 1 hour if the group is competent!
No vet trial is several hours instance! Well... Unless someone does something wrong... You know... Especially tank...
So just for some history, this thread was about swarm mother sucking. I never claimed I was some vmol vanquishing badass. That was some dinguses who have never tried my build trying to derail the thread.
But gj comparing me to the top speed run, it was totally relevant. I bet the tank did 100% of the damage and healing to get those sick times.
This thread was about your opinion of swarm mother being bad. People disagreed. You then went on to say pirate skeleton is the best, which made us question your credibility. Then you discredited paulsimons verified calculations and called a majority of end game tanks cowards for holding block. Now we're having fun at your expense.
It's cool I've been laughing at you guys too. The difference is I actually have all these sets and test them out. You guys are just feeding of each other's ignorance.
Please keep posting, its making my week.WalksonGraves wrote: »
No. This thread logically escalated into questionong your very understanding of the game and especially group content. And you prove that you have none with your every post.WalksonGraves wrote: »So just for some history, this thread was about swarm mother sucking. I never claimed I was some vmol vanquishing badass. That was some dinguses who have never tried my build trying to derail the thread.
But gj comparing me to the top speed run, it was totally relevant. I bet the tank did 100% of the damage and healing to get those sick times.
This, for example, is stupid beyond measure.WalksonGraves wrote: »You missed my point, pulling mobs is never necessary and sacrificing a monster helm to do so is ridiculous.
Yes, pulling mobs IS necessary. It is your job.
The tank which doesn't pull mobs is the same thing is the healer who doesn't provide resources. "My job is healing, you all live, resources aren't my job". Well, you will not be happy if healer denied you shards, right?
You are doing the same thing.
But honestly? Why do I even bother... You don't listen and you don't want to understand.
lol you fool, pulling mobs to my position obviously I'm using a taunt. Breaking news the ai runs at you!
Btw unlike your terrible dk "I don't move or bar swap with dying" build mine doesn't require outside help to maintain resources.
ARCHERS AND MAGES DON'T RUN TO YOU! And chaining these mobs in is really really helpful, not just in killing them all faster but to keep them taunted and debuff easier. A good example is the Wraiths in the 9th Arena of vDSA can deal a lot of damage if not chained in and interrupted and running over to them to do it rather than chaining takes longer and you will lose taunt on other mobs and you might get someone killed. Archers in vDSA as well as in other dungeons are also dangerous with their endless hail and focused aim. Chaining them in gives you a much easier time controlling them without losing control of other things.But you go on ahead and keep thinking ranged mobs run up to you in melee range.
So if there is a physical object I can use ranged. mobs will approach until they see you. If none is available I can teleport, taunt, teleport back in less than 1/3 of the taunt duration.0 -
PeargatorySoul ShrivenWalksonGraves wrote: »
No. This thread logically escalated into questionong your very understanding of the game and especially group content. And you prove that you have none with your every post.WalksonGraves wrote: »So just for some history, this thread was about swarm mother sucking. I never claimed I was some vmol vanquishing badass. That was some dinguses who have never tried my build trying to derail the thread.
But gj comparing me to the top speed run, it was totally relevant. I bet the tank did 100% of the damage and healing to get those sick times.
This, for example, is stupid beyond measure.WalksonGraves wrote: »You missed my point, pulling mobs is never necessary and sacrificing a monster helm to do so is ridiculous.
Yes, pulling mobs IS necessary. It is your job.
The tank which doesn't pull mobs is the same thing is the healer who doesn't provide resources. "My job is healing, you all live, resources aren't my job". Well, you will not be happy if healer denied you shards, right?
You are doing the same thing.
But honestly? Why do I even bother... You don't listen and you don't want to understand.
lol you fool, pulling mobs to my position obviously I'm using a taunt. Breaking news the ai runs at you!
Ummm.. ranged adds?WalksonGraves wrote: »
You don't know about positioning mobs so DD can burn them, which is very important in eng-game content, because in most cases it's DPS race?WalksonGraves wrote: »You don't know about line of sight ai mechanics?
Better yet, you think taunting all those mobs and then waiting for swarm mother is fast?
You think that people who at least try to do their job is worse than you, who even doesn't?
I do it by taunting and breaking line of sight, it really isn't hard. You're arguing about nonsense, no one is running hm anything using that ***.
Find me a run with a non dk tank wearing swarm mother.
And in the process, draging melee adds out of the dd's ground aoe dots, not a smart move if you ask me.5 -
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✭✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »
You don't know about positioning mobs so DD can burn them, which is very important in eng-game content, because in most cases it's DPS race?WalksonGraves wrote: »You don't know about line of sight ai mechanics?
Better yet, you think taunting all those mobs and then waiting for swarm mother is fast?
You think that people who at least try to do their job is worse than you, who even doesn't?
I do it by taunting and breaking line of sight, it really isn't hard. You're arguing about nonsense, no one is running hm anything using that ***.
Find me a run with a non dk tank wearing swarm mother.
I love the fact that you haven't understood that the discussion has moved on from Swarm mother to Chaining in general and about your ineptitude as a tank and claiming Pirate Skeleton as being BiS by a landslide.
Obviously we don't use Swarm mother in Trials cause most things are CC immune in there. But Swarm mother for non DK tanks in dungeons and vDSA is a good way to compensate for lack of chains.4 -
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✭paulsimonps wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »
You don't know about positioning mobs so DD can burn them, which is very important in eng-game content, because in most cases it's DPS race?WalksonGraves wrote: »You don't know about line of sight ai mechanics?
Better yet, you think taunting all those mobs and then waiting for swarm mother is fast?
You think that people who at least try to do their job is worse than you, who even doesn't?
I do it by taunting and breaking line of sight, it really isn't hard. You're arguing about nonsense, no one is running hm anything using that ***.
Find me a run with a non dk tank wearing swarm mother.
I love the fact that you haven't understood that the discussion has moved on from Swarm mother to Chaining in general and about your ineptitude as a tank and claiming Pirate Skeleton as being BiS by a landslide.
Obviously we don't use Swarm mother in Trials cause most things are CC immune in there. But Swarm mother for non DK tanks in dungeons and vDSA is a good way to compensate for lack of chains.
While I agree at lot of trash in vet trials are CC immune, there are plenty of times in vMoL where chains are used.WalksonGraves wrote: »
You don't know about positioning mobs so DD can burn them, which is very important in eng-game content, because in most cases it's DPS race?WalksonGraves wrote: »You don't know about line of sight ai mechanics?
Better yet, you think taunting all those mobs and then waiting for swarm mother is fast?
You think that people who at least try to do their job is worse than you, who even doesn't?
I do it by taunting and breaking line of sight, it really isn't hard. You're arguing about nonsense, no one is running hm anything using that ***.
Find me a run with a non dk tank wearing swarm mother.
You are correct that if you can break line of sight, the ranged mobs will run to you. We use this tactic to move CC immune adds in vet trials as well. The problem is, there isn't always a way to break line of sight.Make PC NA raiding great again!
Down with drama!
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Oh rly?WalksonGraves wrote: »lol you fool, pulling mobs to my position obviously I'm using a taunt. Breaking news the ai runs at you!
You succesfully manage to pull all archers in vet HM Selene? Because you know... If tank doesn't pull them so DD can burn them fast, the group wipes 80%.
You pull all mobs in vet RoM on last boss also? You pull Stone macers on HM fast enough so DD can burn them before stones start reking everything?
You. Have. No. Idea. What. You're. Talking. About.
You don't know about line of sight ai mechanics?
Better yet, you think taunting all those mobs and then waiting for swarm mother is fast?
I know I'm feeding the troll but this is hilarious.
Wat los? Are we still talking pve? Where exactly do you los in RoM, behind the boss?
She's not that fat(although I'll give it the benefit of doubt - Veli in CoS might well be fat enough, though I don't think bosses are viewed as physical objects). Or is it behind the statues?
Or in vDSA most rounds? You know it's, like, a round-ish flat arena with no other stuff there(with exceptions of a few rounds)? I imagine you don't because you've probably never been there but now I've told you at least.
Also, why on Earth would you be los-ing as a group tank? If you're soloing sure. If you're in a group, do you seriously think people bring a tank exclusively so he can run around hiding after pillars and pulling all mobs out of their aoes? That's like, the direct opposite of what you should be doing...Edited by Magdalina on April 3, 2017 6:26PM6
