technically seen animation canceling in its current form is a bug. it was never intended (and sorry, but if you come around with arguments like it was intended that an animation that takes 1.5 secs could be reduced to 1 secs (as stated in tool tip) isn't a bug, you're simply an idiot. either the tool tip is wrong (which is a bug) or the animation is too long (yet, this would be another bug))

abusing a bug = exploiting

as ZOS wasn't capable of fixing it they said that they accept it and embrace (?) it. so it can't be considered cheating and therefore is okay.
but then again, it is what it is, another bug that hasn't been fixed by ZOS. i guess the main difference is that there are way more people enjoying and promoting this bug than other bugs. and as ZOS is pretty lazy it won't go away.

edit for clarification:
i personally don't dislike the possibility of canceling an animation. so if i'm casting anything and feel the need to dodge roll, i should be able to do so. but imho it shouldn't deal damage if the animation hasn't finished.

Axorn wrote: »

RazorCaltrops wrote: »

Don't know why but i feel people who think AC is cheating aren't worth answering anymore. They're just hopeless they blame AC for their lack of skill.

Absolute L2P gitgud carebear mechanic.

AC is crap worse than a cheat its runing the whole game

If we had cost /dps then its fine.
We dont....we have cost /hit.
vis-a-vis its a broken mechanic designed for dynamic game play calculated by static game play rules.
AKA an unbalanced exploit/bug to everyone else except ZOS and those that like free buffs.

Animation canceling, or weaving, is an unintended mechanic that ZoS had/has no idea how to fix. Which is the only reason why it is in the game.

Is it cheating? No. Does it add DPS? Yes.

Should you use it? YES.

mtwiggz wrote: »

Should you use it? YES.

If it's something that everyone should be using, it would probably be worth telling people how to use it.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

If you hate animation canceling, you're doing so out of some internal personal vendetta.

If they removed animation canceling from the game, they'd need to change how ultimate is built and the purpose of light or heavy attacking with a weapon, along with the speed of animations to help keep the game feeling fluid. Because it would feel very extremely sluggish without the ability to weave.

If you couldn't animation cancel, light attacks would be pointless to even bother doing. You'd just be button mashing your skill over and over, light attacks in the current system at least serve to break pure spam and perform functions (build ultimate, apply enchants, add some damage, etc).

Animation canceling is a fair part of the game, at least until the devs decide they want to reinvent the combat system again. If you think animation canceling somehow makes macro'ing possible or any worse than without, you've clearly never played any game ever. Macro's are a thing in any game, regardless of if AC is possible or not.

NO you dont need AC for all these you can increase animation speed and give skills to generate ulti feature there you go fixed.

But animation cancelling is basically speeding up an animation.

So your solution is to stop animation cancelling and then increase the speed of animations?

#Logic?

The logic would be a reduction in lag, because fewer key presses would hit the server.

Pressing block to cancel an animation increases the server load.

Skill, block cancel , skill, swap cancel, skill, light attack cancel, skill - 7 commands for the server to process
Skill, skill, skill, skill - 4 commands to process.

Animation canceling creates lag.

Remove AC, speed up the animations to compensate, decrease lag.

mtwiggz wrote: »

Animation canceling, or weaving, is an unintended mechanic that ZoS had/has no idea how to fix. Which is the only reason why it is in the game.

Is it cheating? No. Does it add DPS? Yes.

Should you use it? YES.

Canceling is not the same as weaving. Weaving is just what you use when. Canceling is a result that happens from some weaves, making a 1.5 second animation into less than the devs intended.

The devs can fix it, at the cost of a whole lot of crybabies whining about how slow combat became. News flash, it was being artificially sped up by canceling. The cost of dealing with the infants was too high, so canceling was accepted.

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

mtwiggz wrote: »

Animation canceling, or weaving, is an unintended mechanic that ZoS had/has no idea how to fix. Which is the only reason why it is in the game.

Is it cheating? No. Does it add DPS? Yes.

Should you use it? YES.

Canceling is not the same as weaving. Weaving is just what you use when. Canceling is a result that happens from some weaves, making a 1.5 second animation into less than the devs intended.

The devs can fix it, at the cost of a whole lot of crybabies whining about how slow combat became. News flash, it was being artificially sped up by canceling. The cost of dealing with the infants was too high, so canceling was accepted.

I dont know. Those on the other side of the fence do their fair share of crying. Look at this thread for examples.

It's not about both sides crying or not crying.

It's about how many there are on the side of the exploit.

Zeni looked at the number of people on each side and chose to accept some exploitation of the bug rather than deal with the tantrums. That indicates there are many many more of the exploiters than there are of those who abide by the intended cast times.

Edit: I would expect them to be mostly dps, either pve or pvp. Tanks and healers do not generally need to exploit more skills per second, they generally cannot allow their vision to tunnel onto just the mob in front of them, so aren't mashing buttons like the dps crew does.

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

mtwiggz wrote: »

Animation canceling, or weaving, is an unintended mechanic that ZoS had/has no idea how to fix. Which is the only reason why it is in the game.

Is it cheating? No. Does it add DPS? Yes.

Should you use it? YES.

Canceling is not the same as weaving. Weaving is just what you use when. Canceling is a result that happens from some weaves, making a 1.5 second animation into less than the devs intended.

The devs can fix it, at the cost of a whole lot of crybabies whining about how slow combat became. News flash, it was being artificially sped up by canceling. The cost of dealing with the infants was too high, so canceling was accepted.

I dont know. Those on the other side of the fence do their fair share of crying. Look at this thread for examples.

It's not about both sides crying or not crying.

It's about how many there are on the side of the exploit.

Zeni looked at the number of people on each side and chose to accept some exploitation of the bug rather than deal with the tantrums. That indicates there are many many more of the exploiters than there are of those who abide by the intended cast times.

So to sum up, a mechanic they never intended was put into the game. The majority of people seemed to like it and asked that it say. Since Zos said we have no way or the knowledge to fix it, ok we will leave it. And now the minority who disagreed, tries to paint the majority as cheaters and babies.

No. You are wrong.

They DID adjust it some. Go back and look, they adjusted the mandatory lengths of time that some animations must display so that there was some visual cue for EVERY skill.

That was the expressed purpose of the change they made - to ensure that the bug of animation canceling no longer concealed entire skills. A big violator was the old wrecking blow, it could be cancelled to be nearly completely hidden, and was sometimes difficult to see even during video recordings.

Zeni started with a blank piece of paper. To claim they don't know how to modify what they created is like claiming that a painter doesn't know how to change their own painting.

The knowledge of how to fix the bug is there. Either make all animations play though without interruption - but that would destroy your chances if you had a sudden need to legitimately block an attack. Or they could make all damage apply only at the end of (edit: each tick of) an animation, so if you tried a skill and then blocked the skill wouldn't do anything.

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

mtwiggz wrote: »

Animation canceling, or weaving, is an unintended mechanic that ZoS had/has no idea how to fix. Which is the only reason why it is in the game.

Is it cheating? No. Does it add DPS? Yes.

Should you use it? YES.

Canceling is not the same as weaving. Weaving is just what you use when. Canceling is a result that happens from some weaves, making a 1.5 second animation into less than the devs intended.

The devs can fix it, at the cost of a whole lot of crybabies whining about how slow combat became. News flash, it was being artificially sped up by canceling. The cost of dealing with the infants was too high, so canceling was accepted.

I dont know. Those on the other side of the fence do their fair share of crying. Look at this thread for examples.

It's not about both sides crying or not crying.

It's about how many there are on the side of the exploit.

Zeni looked at the number of people on each side and chose to accept some exploitation of the bug rather than deal with the tantrums. That indicates there are many many more of the exploiters than there are of those who abide by the intended cast times.

So to sum up, a mechanic they never intended was put into the game. The majority of people seemed to like it and asked that it say. Since Zos said we have no way or the knowledge to fix it, ok we will leave it. And now the minority who disagreed, tries to paint the majority as cheaters and babies.

No. You are wrong.

They DID adjust it some. Go back and look, they adjusted the mandatory lengths of time that some animations must display so that there was some visual cue for EVERY skill.

That was the expressed purpose of the change they made - to ensure that the bug of animation canceling no longer concealed entire skills. A big violator was the old wrecking blow, it could be cancelled to be nearly completely hidden, and was sometimes difficult to see even during video recordings.

Zeni started with a blank piece of paper. To claim they don't know how to modify what they created is like claiming that a painter doesn't know how to change their own painting.

The knowledge of how to fix the bug is there. Either make all animations play though without interruption - but that would destroy your chances if you had a sudden need to legitimately block an attack. Or they could make all damage apply only at the end of (edit: each tick of) an animation, so if you tried a skill and then blocked the skill wouldn't do anything.

Thank you. I wasnt trying to be rude or keep poking at you, i was trying to find a point you had besides the other side cries so they won! Whiched seemed to be the heart of the last couple post.

And you Make some good points here.

I do agree, with the idea. Players should be able to see what the other players are doing. But if it cripples combat I would rather keep it as it is.

So make damage apply at the end of the attack, or each tick for channeled things. Speed up animation a bit, just a bit, to compensate. And allow anything to be cancelled at any time.

The people who cancel now will be just as fast, without the extra button presses that put more load on the servers. The people who don't cancel now, those who act just as fast as the developers created, still act just as fast as the devs intend.

And it would be fun to watch the cancellers adapt. They might even be easy kills for a while, starting a skill and canceling it due to habit, having no effect on others.

I trust that the bold emphasis on that part is enough to point out that combat wouldn't be crippled? Because the way I see it, hitting 4 skills and another 3 buttons to cancel the animations actually adds 75% to the server load, so getting rid of canceling could easily make combat faster!

Lul, 52 votes for Cheat/Exploit?

OdinForge wrote: »

If you hate animation canceling, you're doing so out of some internal personal vendetta.

If they removed animation canceling from the game, they'd need to change how ultimate is built and the purpose of light or heavy attacking with a weapon, along with the speed of animations to help keep the game feeling fluid. Because it would feel very extremely sluggish without the ability to weave.

If you couldn't animation cancel, light attacks would be pointless to even bother doing. You'd just be button mashing your skill over and over, light attacks in the current system at least serve to break pure spam and perform functions (build ultimate, apply enchants, add some damage, etc).

Animation canceling is a fair part of the game, at least until the devs decide they want to reinvent the combat system again. If you think animation canceling somehow makes macro'ing possible or any worse than without, you've clearly never played any game ever. Macro's are a thing in any game, regardless of if AC is possible or not.

OMG, a rational comment... pleasant relief from the mindless "I don't like animation cancelling, macros, take it out of the game, it's cheating, I can't do it, it's hard, macros, make it go away, I don't understand, macros, scripting, hax, macros..."

Mechanic that should not be in the game, but has to be in the game because it is what makes the combat feel fluid and dynamic. That said, it should not give such a significant DPS bonus when performed. It is not necessary for most content, and should not be required for any content.