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Animation cancelling, cheating or get gud mechanic?
Bandit1215
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I personally try to do my best with animation cancelling but I hear people say that it's a cheat/exploit and was curious what all you other forum posters think.
Edited by Bandit1215 on November 3, 2016 4:33PM CP 561
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Animation cancelling, cheating or get gud mechanic? 401 votes
Cheat/exploit
23%
94 votes
Get good mechanic
57%
232 votes
Other (please explain)
18%
75 votes
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Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
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IIRC it is an unintended consequence of the game code. Acknowledged by ZoS, and no intention to change it or can't change it.Edited by Katahdin on November 3, 2016 4:36PMBeta tester November 20134 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Other (please explain)It cant really be cheating since Zos has embraced it. You might think it is unfair, and want it changed. But it cant really be cheating.3 -
Enodoc✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Other (please explain)Technicality. It's not a cheat/exploit, because it's acknowledged and allowed by ZOS, but they are trying to implement things to reduce its use, such as animation prioritisation, as it's not really intended.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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raasdal✭✭✭✭✭
✭Get good mechanicIt is what makes this game actually be slightly skillbased. Otherwise everyone and their grandmother could keep up, with pressing one key every 1.3 Sec.
I view AC as doing a combo or what you want to call it, in Tekken/Street Fighter etc. You showcase skill by being able to rapid press and time your button mashing, to produce a specific desired combo.PC - EU
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Gabrielzavadski✭✭✭Cheat/exploitThey should make something to stop animation cancelling, or remove animations whole. ^.^Glory for the Pact!8 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Get good mechanic@Bandit1215
It's clearly a legit method of combat. Devs have blessed it well over a year ago, almost 2 years ago.
As a result it cannot be considered cheating by any logical means.7 -
old_mufasa✭✭✭✭Other (please explain)its a bad mechanic... anyone defending it just wants to exploit the extra damage because they think it adds skill...
Real skill is being able to see what your opponent is doing and reacting appropriate.. hiding attacks with animation canceling is not skill... its just reflex/macro or muscle memory20 -
BlackguardBob✭✭✭Other (please explain)It's not cheating but is it an exploitation of sorts and there are people out there only too happy to use it because it is allowed by ZoS.Edited by BlackguardBob on November 3, 2016 7:54PM5
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Trublz✭✭✭Get good mechanicold_mufasa wrote: »its a bad mechanic... anyone defending it just wants to exploit the extra damage because they think it adds skill...
Real skill is being able to see what your opponent is doing and reacting appropriate.. hiding attacks with animation canceling is not skill... its just reflex/macro or muscle memory
I agree being able to see and react appropriately is a skill
But having good reflexes and muscle memory is a skill too...
using an accepted mechanic of a game to its fullest is what everyone should aspire to do. Not cry because they don't have the "skill" to do it
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CultOfMMO✭✭✭Get good mechanicanything that separates good and bad players is fair game and is good design.
to the guy saying it adds damage but not skill, well then why is it that so many people have trouble canceling to perfection? *** takes legit practice.
so yea git gud...Edited by CultOfMMO on November 3, 2016 8:09PMvHoF HM 202k Tick-Tock Tormentor (Stamblade)
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will_rob87✭✭✭Get good mechanicold_mufasa wrote: »its a bad mechanic... anyone defending it just wants to exploit the extra damage because they think it adds skill...
Real skill is being able to see what your opponent is doing and reacting appropriate.. hiding attacks with animation canceling is not skill... its just reflex/macro or muscle memory
Now I would say that another name for "muscle memory" is "experience". You have trained your body to do a certain task which in my mind shows your dedication to the game. I don't see how this level of dedication to the game could be called cheating0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Get good mechanicThe games so casual friendly enough, ani cancelling is one of the only thing left that require skill at all.PS4 EU DC
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Lord_Wrath✭✭✭✭✭Other (please explain)Its not cheating if zos allows it to continue at no consequence. PVP wise I look at it as being cheap. Whats fun or challenging about dying instantly, when you hear one ability when multiple happen? Other than that you have to learn it to compete.1300+ CP | Lørd Wrath | - Sorcerer - Palatine - Grand Master Crafter - 30000 Achievement Points
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daswahnsinn✭✭✭Other (please explain)I don't think is an exploit since it was coded into the game and has been around since beta. Is it fair? No, it something that some people can't or just won't do. I use it many on buff abilities while fighting bosses so I can keep my dps steady. I don't use it on all skills since most of the have nice looking animations to them. Now if they remove it altogether then we will see more macros being used, since it'll be easier to use them, but this is my opinion.| | daswahnsinn | Vet 16 Nord Dragon Knight | Bow/Dual Wield/Two-Handed Sword| DPS | | Warrior of the EbonHeart Pact | |1 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Other (please explain)Lord_Wrath wrote: »Its not cheating if zos allows it to continue at no consequence. PVP wise I look at it as being cheap. Whats fun or challenging about dying instantly, when you hear one ability when multiple happen? Other than that you have to learn it to compete.
Well it could be worse. At least with animation canceling you have to learn how to do it. A proc set all you have to do is put it on and then it hits you multiple times all by itself. It is like animation canceling without the canceling! At least animation canceling was an accident.1 -
Sallington✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Get good mechanicJeez, so many people in this thread need to git gud...Edited by Sallington on November 3, 2016 8:28PMDaggerfall Covenant
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Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Get good mechanicIf it's cheating someone should tell the devs, some of them are pretty damn good at it.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
Julianos✭✭✭✭✭Cheat/exploitits allowing to exploit with macros and scripts so yes its causing exploit.1
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waterfairy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Cheat/exploitIt's like "quick-scoping" in a FPS...not really "cheating" but cheesy enough to count as cheating. This is one of the reasons I avoid PvP, the other being the giant map that you have to travel miles to get into the fight.
Oh and the quick-scopers say it's a get gud thing too
Edited by waterfairy on November 3, 2016 8:40PM3 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Get good mechanicits allowing to exploit with macros and scripts so yes its causing exploit.
Oh look another person who thinks macro's can somehow hack the game code and bypass the global cooldown of skills/ attacks.
Macro's do not mean someone can suprise attack you 5 times in 1s.
What about people on console are they using macro's or have have learned you can improve yourself by learning to use more than 1 button.PS4 EU DC
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Get good mechanicold_mufasa wrote: »its a bad mechanic... anyone defending it just wants to exploit the extra damage because they think it adds skill...
Real skill is being able to see what your opponent is doing and reacting appropriate.. hiding attacks with animation canceling is not skill... its just reflex/macro or muscle memory
@old_mufasa
Anything with full blessings from the Devs cannot be properly termed as an exploit.
Your correct about skill is required to read the opponent properly. However, it also takes skill to get the max damage on the opponent also. I doubt most players use macros for animation canceling. It's easier to learn to do it right and works better with adjusting to the opponent.0 -
OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Get good mechanicIf you hate animation canceling, you're doing so out of some internal personal vendetta.
If they removed animation canceling from the game, they'd need to change how ultimate is built and the purpose of light or heavy attacking with a weapon, along with the speed of animations to help keep the game feeling fluid. Because it would feel very extremely sluggish without the ability to weave.
If you couldn't animation cancel, light attacks would be pointless to even bother doing. You'd just be button mashing your skill over and over, light attacks in the current system at least serve to break pure spam and perform functions (build ultimate, apply enchants, add some damage, etc).
Animation canceling is a fair part of the game, at least until the devs decide they want to reinvent the combat system again. If you think animation canceling somehow makes macro'ing possible or any worse than without, you've clearly never played any game ever. Macro's are a thing in any game, regardless of if AC is possible or not.The Age of Wrobel.4 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Get good mechanicOn itself, I don't see it as cheating. Using macros is another thing entirely, and definitely cheating.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
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nordsavage✭✭✭✭✭Other (please explain)It is just part of the game now, learn to use it. The mechanic is here to stay.I didn't choose tank life, tank life chose me.0
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Julianos✭✭✭✭✭Cheat/exploitleepalmer95 wrote: »its allowing to exploit with macros and scripts so yes its causing exploit.
Oh look another person who thinks macro's can somehow hack the game code and bypass the global cooldown of skills/ attacks.
Macro's do not mean someone can suprise attack you 5 times in 1s.
What about people on console are they using macro's or have have learned you can improve yourself by learning to use more than 1 button.
Macros and scripts againts TOS and punishable with ban.
Macros and Scripts gives huge advantage againts natural players in pvp5
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