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STOP DOING EQUIPMENT WRITS
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undefeatdgaul✭✭✭FloppyTouch wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »
@Inklings your results are quite close to mine in this thread Crafting Statistics - Writs . I think only difference is that i included farming along survey maps collection. You had good luck with Dreugh Wax, graz!...snip...
Id like to share some of my numbers with both ZOS and the players. Keep in mind that these numbers are totals for 12 characters doing the same writs every day for 7 days, and the only income of mats i had are from hirelings and surveys. I did not decon or harvest anything for a week straight so it would not interfere with my testing of profit/cost ratio. This is how many mats for each writ i lost or gained every day through this method, how many legendary mats i got, and gold made from writ quest rewards.
...snip...
One way to summarize these numbers is this:
To keep doing gear writs each crafter has to
- for blacksmith writs buy a stack of rubedite ingots every second week.
- for woodworking writs buy a stack of ruby ash every three weeks.
- clothing is close to sustainable.
Or farm...
To put it simply, if i farmed a stack of 200 ingots for example, I now have 2 options.
1) turn them in for writs. I have 8 toons and writs cost about 40 per toon. The cost is 320 ingots. Lets say im lucky and I get a writ here and there and I manage to not need to buy any ingots and the 200 I farmed is enough. Tempers have a 30%-ish drop chance so lets say I get 2-3 tempers. On average that is (7k*3+7k*2)/2 = 17.5k gold. I also earn 600*8 = 4.8k for quest. I spent about 5 mins per toon doing these writs so that is 40 mins. Cost of 200 ingots =55*200 = 11k
Case 1 summary : 40 mins time spent, earned about 22.3k-11k = 11.3k (assuming i broke even on mats).
2) Keep the 200 ingots then spend 40 mins in which I can farm about 300++ ore easily. The 300++ ore farmed would give me about 3 tempers on average (rate seems to be 1 per 100). Then sell 450-ish ingots on guild stores. 450 ingots is worth 55*450 = 24.75k. 3 tempers is worth 7*3 = 21k.
Case 2 summary: 40 mins time spent, earn about 45.75k.
So why would I ever do a writ..........If I farm, that's all the more reason NOT to do writs lol cos I will have a healthy supply of tempers just from ore refining. I can see the light in doing writs if you cannot farm and just rely on ingots from decon, but if you DO farm, you SHOULDNT be doing writs....
All that math for nothing let me put this simple I farm 1 hour a day do writs once a day I bank 100k-200k gold a day.
Math is great in theory but not when you are really doing it in practice some days RNG can be really awesome
I like to add that I only do writs on one character doing it for 8 just seems stupid to me.
Sorry but you don't make 200k a day from doing one writ and farming for an hour. It's just not true please stop embarrassing yourself2 -
Vangy✭✭✭✭✭
✭FloppyTouch wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »
@Inklings your results are quite close to mine in this thread Crafting Statistics - Writs . I think only difference is that i included farming along survey maps collection. You had good luck with Dreugh Wax, graz!...snip...
Id like to share some of my numbers with both ZOS and the players. Keep in mind that these numbers are totals for 12 characters doing the same writs every day for 7 days, and the only income of mats i had are from hirelings and surveys. I did not decon or harvest anything for a week straight so it would not interfere with my testing of profit/cost ratio. This is how many mats for each writ i lost or gained every day through this method, how many legendary mats i got, and gold made from writ quest rewards.
...snip...
One way to summarize these numbers is this:
To keep doing gear writs each crafter has to
- for blacksmith writs buy a stack of rubedite ingots every second week.
- for woodworking writs buy a stack of ruby ash every three weeks.
- clothing is close to sustainable.
Or farm...
To put it simply, if i farmed a stack of 200 ingots for example, I now have 2 options.
1) turn them in for writs. I have 8 toons and writs cost about 40 per toon. The cost is 320 ingots. Lets say im lucky and I get a writ here and there and I manage to not need to buy any ingots and the 200 I farmed is enough. Tempers have a 30%-ish drop chance so lets say I get 2-3 tempers. On average that is (7k*3+7k*2)/2 = 17.5k gold. I also earn 600*8 = 4.8k for quest. I spent about 5 mins per toon doing these writs so that is 40 mins. Cost of 200 ingots =55*200 = 11k
Case 1 summary : 40 mins time spent, earned about 22.3k-11k = 11.3k (assuming i broke even on mats).
2) Keep the 200 ingots then spend 40 mins in which I can farm about 300++ ore easily. The 300++ ore farmed would give me about 3 tempers on average (rate seems to be 1 per 100). Then sell 450-ish ingots on guild stores. 450 ingots is worth 55*450 = 24.75k. 3 tempers is worth 7*3 = 21k.
Case 2 summary: 40 mins time spent, earn about 45.75k.
So why would I ever do a writ..........If I farm, that's all the more reason NOT to do writs lol cos I will have a healthy supply of tempers just from ore refining. I can see the light in doing writs if you cannot farm and just rely on ingots from decon, but if you DO farm, you SHOULDNT be doing writs....
All that math for nothing let me put this simple I farm 1 hour a day do writs once a day I bank 100k-200k gold a day.
Math is great in theory but not when you are really doing it in practice some days RNG can be really awesome
I like to add that I only do writs on one character doing it for 8 just seems stupid to me.
Don't start a business....
Bc I make more gold then ur saying? U assume way to much in ur math take ur own advise
.......undefeatdgaul wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »
@Inklings your results are quite close to mine in this thread Crafting Statistics - Writs . I think only difference is that i included farming along survey maps collection. You had good luck with Dreugh Wax, graz!...snip...
Id like to share some of my numbers with both ZOS and the players. Keep in mind that these numbers are totals for 12 characters doing the same writs every day for 7 days, and the only income of mats i had are from hirelings and surveys. I did not decon or harvest anything for a week straight so it would not interfere with my testing of profit/cost ratio. This is how many mats for each writ i lost or gained every day through this method, how many legendary mats i got, and gold made from writ quest rewards.
...snip...
One way to summarize these numbers is this:
To keep doing gear writs each crafter has to
- for blacksmith writs buy a stack of rubedite ingots every second week.
- for woodworking writs buy a stack of ruby ash every three weeks.
- clothing is close to sustainable.
Or farm...
To put it simply, if i farmed a stack of 200 ingots for example, I now have 2 options.
1) turn them in for writs. I have 8 toons and writs cost about 40 per toon. The cost is 320 ingots. Lets say im lucky and I get a writ here and there and I manage to not need to buy any ingots and the 200 I farmed is enough. Tempers have a 30%-ish drop chance so lets say I get 2-3 tempers. On average that is (7k*3+7k*2)/2 = 17.5k gold. I also earn 600*8 = 4.8k for quest. I spent about 5 mins per toon doing these writs so that is 40 mins. Cost of 200 ingots =55*200 = 11k
Case 1 summary : 40 mins time spent, earned about 22.3k-11k = 11.3k (assuming i broke even on mats).
2) Keep the 200 ingots then spend 40 mins in which I can farm about 300++ ore easily. The 300++ ore farmed would give me about 3 tempers on average (rate seems to be 1 per 100). Then sell 450-ish ingots on guild stores. 450 ingots is worth 55*450 = 24.75k. 3 tempers is worth 7*3 = 21k.
Case 2 summary: 40 mins time spent, earn about 45.75k.
So why would I ever do a writ..........If I farm, that's all the more reason NOT to do writs lol cos I will have a healthy supply of tempers just from ore refining. I can see the light in doing writs if you cannot farm and just rely on ingots from decon, but if you DO farm, you SHOULDNT be doing writs....
All that math for nothing let me put this simple I farm 1 hour a day do writs once a day I bank 100k-200k gold a day.
Math is great in theory but not when you are really doing it in practice some days RNG can be really awesome
I like to add that I only do writs on one character doing it for 8 just seems stupid to me.
Sorry but you don't make 200k a day from doing one writ and farming for an hour. It's just not true please stop embarrassing yourself
^ Either that.... or u really need to learn to count.... Regardless, you barely have 1 toon doing writs each day. Some of us here have 5 or more. So let the people who actually know what doing consistent multiple dailies on multiple toons costs, discuss matters. You are free to voice ur opinion just like every other person here, but dont come off acting like you are some big authority on writs. Cos you are far from it. Doing writs on just one toon you will barely even notice the cost OR the profit. And No. You dont make 200k gold a day from 1 toon dailies + 1 hr of farming....Even with ridiculous RNG on refining. We arent idiots. Also, Pre-DLC these were extremely profitable to do on multiple toons but you wouldnt know, cos like u said, u just have 1 toon doing dailies. You havent done enough to realize how much of a cost increase these new dailies are.Edited by Vangy on September 9, 2016 4:50PM(2)V16 Dk- stam dps/stam tank/mag dps
(2)V16 Sorc- mag dps/stam dps
(2)V16 nb- stam dps/mag dps
(1)v16 temp- mag tank/mag dps
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bryanhaas✭✭✭✭Just a heads up, I have done all 3 equipment writs across 8 toons over the past 3 days. In a nutshell;
I am now at a net loss of ;
1. Around 50 Rubedite ores per toon --> 400 ore lost
2. Around 40 ash per toon --> 320 ash lost
3. Around 40 silk per toon --> 320 silk lost
In return, I got one wax and one temper --> about 11.5k gold + 660*8*3 = about 27k gold. Bear in mind, tempers and wax are rng so you might not get any.
So breaking it down per toon --> you would lose about 50 of each v15 mat and get around 2k gold in return (not including gold mats) for doing equipment dailies.
You would be better off not relying on RNG and avoiding crafting dailies for equipment writs altogether IMO.
Do at your own risk. Stick to consumables to get kutas at minimal cost. I, personally am going to stop doing any equipment writs until ZOS gets this nonsense sorted.
So this would mean prices should then rise for all materials. Perhaps as intended? Honestly if this increases prices then I will kinda like this change. A lot of the cp160 mats are too cheap in my opinion, kinda miss the random mats from the Orsinium days in some ways.
Ah being able to sell 200 rudebite for 50k now those were the days.
Not just the base mats, but the gold tempers, resin and wax will rise. We are already seeing the effects of this now. A part of it was due to the new updated gear sets but less and less people in my friends circle seem to be keen on doing writs due to the poor time-profit ratio. Most people I know find it far more effective to just farm and sell the mats due to rising prices. If this keeps up, equipment crafting dailies are going to be obsolete soon. Especially blacksmithing due to the writ that requires 5 items (its the only equipment writ that needs 5 at times for god knows wat reason).
Sweet.
My two favorite words price increase
Yes everyone stop doing writs it's a losing proposition meanwhile who wants Tempering Alloy only 30k each. PS4 NA AD GM formerly known as GM of "The Children of the Void"
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DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭imnotanother wrote: »Get off your butts and farm the mats. 100% profit.
"There is no such thing as a free lunch. "
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Except the whole point of crafting dailies is to help u get mats that you need to craft..... The gold mats are just icing.... Right now its costing me mats.... Id rather just farm mats and NOT do the dailies for an even bigger profit.... Or is simple math a little hard for you to comprehend.... When something costs you more than what you get in return, its not a 100% profit.. Its a LOSS...... In this case a pretty sizeable one...
It should be about the tempers. The problem is if the expected value of what you get is less than the sale value of the mats you used. Individual results are pretty irrelevant due to small sample size, but it if the good results are too little it makes writs useless unless there are unique things you can get from them.0 -
FloppyTouch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭undefeatdgaul wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »
@Inklings your results are quite close to mine in this thread Crafting Statistics - Writs . I think only difference is that i included farming along survey maps collection. You had good luck with Dreugh Wax, graz!...snip...
Id like to share some of my numbers with both ZOS and the players. Keep in mind that these numbers are totals for 12 characters doing the same writs every day for 7 days, and the only income of mats i had are from hirelings and surveys. I did not decon or harvest anything for a week straight so it would not interfere with my testing of profit/cost ratio. This is how many mats for each writ i lost or gained every day through this method, how many legendary mats i got, and gold made from writ quest rewards.
...snip...
One way to summarize these numbers is this:
To keep doing gear writs each crafter has to
- for blacksmith writs buy a stack of rubedite ingots every second week.
- for woodworking writs buy a stack of ruby ash every three weeks.
- clothing is close to sustainable.
Or farm...
To put it simply, if i farmed a stack of 200 ingots for example, I now have 2 options.
1) turn them in for writs. I have 8 toons and writs cost about 40 per toon. The cost is 320 ingots. Lets say im lucky and I get a writ here and there and I manage to not need to buy any ingots and the 200 I farmed is enough. Tempers have a 30%-ish drop chance so lets say I get 2-3 tempers. On average that is (7k*3+7k*2)/2 = 17.5k gold. I also earn 600*8 = 4.8k for quest. I spent about 5 mins per toon doing these writs so that is 40 mins. Cost of 200 ingots =55*200 = 11k
Case 1 summary : 40 mins time spent, earned about 22.3k-11k = 11.3k (assuming i broke even on mats).
2) Keep the 200 ingots then spend 40 mins in which I can farm about 300++ ore easily. The 300++ ore farmed would give me about 3 tempers on average (rate seems to be 1 per 100). Then sell 450-ish ingots on guild stores. 450 ingots is worth 55*450 = 24.75k. 3 tempers is worth 7*3 = 21k.
Case 2 summary: 40 mins time spent, earn about 45.75k.
So why would I ever do a writ..........If I farm, that's all the more reason NOT to do writs lol cos I will have a healthy supply of tempers just from ore refining. I can see the light in doing writs if you cannot farm and just rely on ingots from decon, but if you DO farm, you SHOULDNT be doing writs....
All that math for nothing let me put this simple I farm 1 hour a day do writs once a day I bank 100k-200k gold a day.
Math is great in theory but not when you are really doing it in practice some days RNG can be really awesome
I like to add that I only do writs on one character doing it for 8 just seems stupid to me.
Sorry but you don't make 200k a day from doing one writ and farming for an hour. It's just not true please stop embarrassing yourself
It's true and a lot of ppl in my guild are doing the same I'll break it down for you if u really would like to know.
It depends on RNG but if I do writs and get temps wax rosin kuta on xb1 that equal about 40k then I farm for 1 hour hews bane I get 400+ silks 200+ ores 400+wood 2-3 kuta
Silk I can get 2-3 wax plus two stack silk=40k
Ores 1 temp 1 stack = 20k
Wood 2-3 rosin plus 2 stacks = 26k
Kuta 2-3 = 24k
About depends on RNG total = 150k in one hour with fair RNG some days better some worst
Pls don't call me a liar been playing a long time and this is wat I make every day
Also prices from xb1 Community
Edited by FloppyTouch on September 11, 2016 1:24AM0 -
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✭✭✭I would like to add i agree doing it on all ur toons is a waste bc the amount of mats u need, but doing it on one toon plus farming is not Survey maps plus glass motifs plus exp pages add up over time with the farming to equal more gold
Edited by FloppyTouch on September 11, 2016 1:44AM0 -
Vangy✭✭✭✭✭
✭FloppyTouch wrote: »I would like to add i agree doing it on all ur toons is a waste bc the amount of mats u need, but doing it on one toon plus farming is not Survey maps plus glass motifs plus exp pages add up over time with the farming to equal more gold
Yes this is what I'm saying. U could have skipped the writs and spent that time farming and made even more money. Which begs the question. Why do writs?
And since you are CLEARY a godlike farmer, every minute of ur time is precious. Why waste them on writs?Edited by Vangy on September 11, 2016 2:58AM(2)V16 Dk- stam dps/stam tank/mag dps
(2)V16 Sorc- mag dps/stam dps
(2)V16 nb- stam dps/mag dps
(1)v16 temp- mag tank/mag dps
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Carbonised✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Writs are always a profit for all crafts. If you think otherwise you're just fooling yourself, but by all means, continue to do so.
Whether it's fun to do them every day on 8 characters is another matter.0 -
Aliniel✭✭✭✭✭Writs should be account bound so that people can't abuse them. Their rewards should also be cranked up a bit - maybe chance of dropping a missing motif? Or auto learning missing motif so we cannot sell it? This would help crafters who aren't interested in doing same bosses/quests over and over every day.0 -
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Exactly what abuse you mean?Writs should be account bound so that people can't abuse them. Their rewards should also be cranked up a bit - maybe chance of dropping a missing motif? Or auto learning missing motif so we cannot sell it? This would help crafters who aren't interested in doing same bosses/quests over and over every day.
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