STOP DOING EQUIPMENT WRITS

Waffennacht · August 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

I made the mistake of trying to point out that you never suffer a loss of gold. (Maybe materials) That in both situations, you make money. Which to some people, makes doing writs still a viable solution to money making.

Why don't you advise people to sell their excess mats to the NPC vendor ? Because, you see, it makes money. Less than selling to other players , but still money. Remember, less profit is not a loss... Which, to some people, makes it a viable solution to money making... ?????

If that's what they want to do, then that's what they do, and it's not for you or me to control their actions. But don't tell them a falsehood by saying they lost gold by selling to the npc merchant. Plus 5 gold or plus 50 gold, both are still "plus gold".

I don't want to control their actions. But I want them to be well informed. Telling them that "it doesn't matter because there's profit in both cases", or advising them to sell to NPC vendor is bad, misleading "advice".

That's a really good way of putting it. Like making 10 gold for one tempering alloy is still profit, even though they sell for 13,000

Ghost-Shot · August 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

I made the mistake of trying to point out that you never suffer a loss of gold. (Maybe materials) That in both situations, you make money. Which to some people, makes doing writs still a viable solution to money making.

Why don't you advise people to sell their excess mats to the NPC vendor ? Because, you see, it makes money. Less than selling to other players , but still money. Remember, less profit is not a loss... Which, to some people, makes it a viable solution to money making... ?????

If that's what they want to do, then that's what they do, and it's not for you or me to control their actions. But don't tell them a falsehood by saying they lost gold by selling to the npc merchant. Plus 5 gold or plus 50 gold, both are still "plus gold".

I don't want to control their actions. But I want them to be well informed. Telling them that "it doesn't matter because there's profit in both cases", or advising them to sell to NPC vendor is bad, misleading "advice".

That's a really good way of putting it. Like making 10 gold for one tempering alloy is still profit, even though they sell for 13,000

OMG who is the dumb ass paying 13k for tempering alloy???

nimander99 · August 2016

I'll add my voice to the crowd as well.

I also stopped doing writs.

Waffennacht · August 2016

@Ghost-Shot sadly, xbox community. It's what they are typically goin for.

D wax is 3.5k

Ghost-Shot · August 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Ghost-Shot sadly, xbox community. It's what they are typically goin for.

D wax is 3.5k

Wow, on PC NA alloy and wax are both around the 6k mark last I checked.

Waffennacht · August 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Ghost-Shot sadly, xbox community. It's what they are typically goin for.

D wax is 3.5k

Wow, on PC NA alloy and wax are both around the 6k mark last I checked.

Now all we need is a way to send you D wax and you send me alloy, huge profit...

But how? Lmao jk.

A long while ago I wanted to make a joke along the lines of:

"Hours of eso go into Accounts Payable, while amount of gold earned goes into Accounts Earned"

Or something like that... Not too late I hope?

Edit: Accounting humor... oxymoron no? *chuckle*

nine9six · August 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

nine9six wrote: »

I don't know why you guys keep trying to explain things. The point has been made. Let people do whatever they want.

Yes but no.
The point is actually not to make @imnotanother change his mind, but for ZOS.

If doing something way A grants 50 quid profit, and doing that same thing way B grants 100 quid profit, how do you qualify way A ? A "less profitable way" or "a lossy way" ?

At this stage this converstaion is pointless because all has been said already.

What matters to me is that ZOS ( @ZOS_RichLambert ) get that sometimes doing writs is a mistake. If doing a quest is a mistake, there's a design issue.
I understand that the devs cannot follow the mats markets as closely as we players, especially trader players, do. But they should make some effort to balance things better.

- Writs should be handed over in the zone where we picked them up (we get to choose our survey/mats type)
- There should be extra RNG rewards (like recipe fragments or glass fragments, but those are outdated) to make them worthwhile. How about a "token" to learn a trait instantly ?

IDC who you are 'talking' to. The point has been made...

DRXHarbinger · August 2016

Right...just done all my writs..I keep a stack or magika, stamina, health glyphs on me to save me the trouble (banker is epic) potions in a fat stack, food in a fat stack, that leaves me only 3 to actually ever make, it took me 2 mins 15 from start to finish blacksmith, wood working and clothing....20s porting time to wrothgar, Christ it felt longer, 22s by Dro m'artha senche to the drop of point...it doesn't take 10mins.

imnotanother · August 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Right...just done all my writs..I keep a stack or magika, stamina, health glyphs on me to save me the trouble (banker is epic) potions in a fat stack, food in a fat stack, that leaves me only 3 to actually ever make, it took me 2 mins 15 from start to finish blacksmith, wood working and clothing....20s porting time to wrothgar, Christ it felt longer, 22s by Dro m'artha senche to the drop of point...it doesn't take 10mins.

Haha oh man, I agree. I do the exact same thing. Only have to make the equipment writs every day.
Someone won't believe you though.

Pics or it didn't happen!

nine9six · August 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Right...just done all my writs..I keep a stack or magika, stamina, health glyphs on me to save me the trouble (banker is epic) potions in a fat stack, food in a fat stack, that leaves me only 3 to actually ever make, it took me 2 mins 15 from start to finish blacksmith, wood working and clothing....20s porting time to wrothgar, Christ it felt longer, 22s by Dro m'artha senche to the drop of point...it doesn't take 10mins.

Same.

ArcVelarian · August 2016

I'm just waiting on you guys to whip out the charts and powerpoint presentations.

Waffennacht · August 2016

When I do writs, if I do, (too busy PvPing mostly

) I have to:

Go to probably Craglorn, mine, chop, scrap, and pick mats (I'm also always epicly broke)
Make the stuff
Go turn it in
Takes: Hour or more?

Blah

nine9six · August 2016

ArcVelarian wrote: »

I'm just waiting on you guys to whip out the charts and powerpoint presentations.

Why I don't really play EvE as much any more.

daemonios · August 2016

Takes me 10 minutes or so to do writs on 3 chars every day, I do all of them on my main and the equipment ones on the others. I'm sitting on 5k+ tier 10 crafting mats, get a load of them from surveys and deconstructing preposterous end-game gear, get regular gold improvement mats... The only thing I'd change is removing tier 9 mats from surveys, as they're no longer needed. Other than that, writs provide nice rewards.

Hutch679 · August 2016

Don't waste your time on writs anymore. They are worthless now. It's faster to just run the southern mountain line of wrothgar and farm everything you stumble across for sure. Why they made this change without bumping up the rewards makes no sense to me at all. How did they not think this through taking into account the value of the crafting mats for each writ compared to the rewards? Lol so stupid.

me_ming · August 2016

Yeah, as soon as I heard that blacksmithing/clothing/woodworking writs are now all in cp150-160 mats, I knew I'd stop doing them. Equipment writ rewards were already questionable as they were. Sometimes you get good things like gold mats and (while I was still collecting them) glass fragments, and even surveys and repair kits, and then there are times when you just get a trait stone and an intricate/ornate item-- on all three writs. No way am I wasting my resources for just a trait stone and an intricate/ornate item. I would, if there was one survey on every writ all the time, at least, I have a way to getting some materials back, and at best refine some gold materials. But if there is a chance that the rewards are crappy, then no thanks. I'd happily farm my mats instead.

Flynch · August 2016

Haha holy cow you lot.

You can make 100s of thousands from fishing. You can make 100s of thousands from farming Lich set.

If you end up with more gold in your bank than you did when you started, then it's a profit.

Is it as good a profit as you'd get with something else? Maybe not. But then again, if I had more time to play, i'd have more gold in my bank anyway. So really, real-life is the real profit-destroyer.

/wrists = profit then!

Moloch1514 · August 2016

Just revert to lvl 9 and farm Nirncrux on some characters. That's my lazy way of making my guild store quotas.

Arthmoor · August 2016

Zerok wrote: »

I understand that max level writs are no longer worth it.

But what about Craglorn writs?

From my own testing earlier this week, I had the feeling they reduced the drop rate for the equipment surveys. I got 1 survey on 9 equipment writs... Usually, I was getting 3-4 surveys per 9 equipment writs. Was it just me being unlucky?

Also in the past 2-3 weeks, I had the impression of getting less nirncrux than usual in Craglorn.

It's not just you. My impression of doing writs this week is about the same. I've had 1 survey and no gold mats at all. Normally I see 2 surveys a day and at least one gold mat.

Also the last time I farmed Craglorn, it took me 3 days to find one nirn. So that seems to no longer be worth the trip at all.

Also more annoying is that top tier writs take all top tier mats now but surveys still give out CP140 mats which I no longer have need for. They just end up in our guild bank now :P And no, I don't want these writs to go back to taking part CP140, part CP150, because I don't want to have to make special trips to Craglorn every week just to get more of that junk.

Lysette · August 2016

ArcVelarian wrote: »

I'm just waiting on you guys to whip out the charts and powerpoint presentations.

Lol, this isn't "spreadsheets in space" (EVE online) - there I would not be a bit surprised if people would do this in detail.

STEVIL · August 2016

I usually do writs. Waiting on the dust to settle before continuing.

ScottK1994 · August 2016

Well it doesn't work like a normal daily quest eh. Every day you collect something, then you get a set reward that makes it worth collecting and doing every day.
These 'writs' merely seem like a necessity in the bad system of items/crafting/trade.

It needs a revamp; there should be no such thing as a worthless material, guild traders should be scrapped its a stupid idea, there needs to be REAL gold sinks(cosmetic items that aren't crown store items) and then obviously a normal style of crafting dailies where you farm material you don't usually need and turn them into something useful.

ScottK1994 · August 2016

Do the development team have any experience of playing this game with its current writ system/trading system? It doesn't seem like they have tried those parts of the game and its odd since they decided to deviate from the profitable/successful games..

A development team who hasn't tried to buy mats/gear/food etc on this game LIVE really really shouldn't just leave it without CONSTANT changes.. Jeezo if it wasn't for the PS4/Xbox hard copy release the game would have went under basically because the in game market is broken

Like this isn't the 90s, no successful MMO exists with materials that are useless. No successful MMO exists without a basic trading system between players... Lol

Moloch1514 · August 2016

Arthmoor wrote: »

Zerok wrote: »

I understand that max level writs are no longer worth it.

But what about Craglorn writs?

From my own testing earlier this week, I had the feeling they reduced the drop rate for the equipment surveys. I got 1 survey on 9 equipment writs... Usually, I was getting 3-4 surveys per 9 equipment writs. Was it just me being unlucky?

Also in the past 2-3 weeks, I had the impression of getting less nirncrux than usual in Craglorn.

It's not just you. My impression of doing writs this week is about the same. I've had 1 survey and no gold mats at all. Normally I see 2 surveys a day and at least one gold mat.

Also the last time I farmed Craglorn, it took me 3 days to find one nirn. So that seems to no longer be worth the trip at all.

Also more annoying is that top tier writs take all top tier mats now but surveys still give out CP140 mats which I no longer have need for. They just end up in our guild bank now :P And no, I don't want these writs to go back to taking part CP140, part CP150, because I don't want to have to make special trips to Craglorn every week just to get more of that junk.

Craglorn writs are RNG as usual, but not nerfed. I had a dry spell (in terms of nirncrux) of about 5 surveys, but then tonight I did 2 surveys (Clothing, Wood) and got 2 Potents and a Fortified. So it's still profitable.

starkerealm · August 2016

*Logs on* *Sees a Z*

ZOS_PeterT wrote: »

We understand that disagreements do happen however, we would like to remind all to keep comments constructive and positive.

In the future remember that rude, flaming and baiting Comments are against our Forum Rules.

Oh... uh... thanks.

(._.)

Rayya_Blackheart · August 2016

I want to join in on the charts and graphs :O

Also... Sorry I'm late...

Stiltz · August 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Ghost-Shot sadly, xbox community. It's what they are typically goin for.

D wax is 3.5k

On PS4 NA Tempering Alloys go from 14-15k each all day and Wax 7-8k. A couple months ago you could get them for 12/6 but not a chance right now.

Dubhliam · August 2016

In my opinion, there is nothing ZOS can do to improve writs.
They don't dictate the market price of materials.
The amount of gold each writ grants only prevents material price from falling lower than the artificial profitability of writs.

In fact, end game equipment writs are already given special treatment, since they are the only ones that require half of the usual amount of items to complete them.

Lysette · August 2016

Well, in alchemy they could - it is not necessary to just demand the same few ingredients all the time, there could be a lot more variety, especially not demand those which got more expensive due to poison making and which outweight the reward a new player gets for doing a writ - especially a new player should always have a decent reward from doing a writ or he will soon no longer want to do any of those.

Lysette · August 2016

Dubhliam wrote: »

In my opinion, there is nothing ZOS can do to improve writs.
They don't dictate the market price of materials.
The amount of gold each writ grants only prevents material price from falling lower than the artificial profitability of writs.

In fact, end game equipment writs are already given special treatment, since they are the only ones that require half of the usual amount of items to complete them.

And there it was the least needed to do that - because these materials are plenty available in guild stores - the same is not true for lower level materials for example. For those there is a void - the whole system of how these writs work need an overhaul to make all materials equally useful.