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Ackwalan · April 2016

I wonder if this exploit worked for treasure maps also. I normally just sell those on the trader, and they take a few days to sell. Yesterday I had 4 or 5 for sale, and they all sold at once.

Buffler · April 2016

stumpy999 wrote: »

why does it matter? I have never bought mats

the price of mats is irrelevant to my day to day play experience.

If I need something I go looking for it it the world not the store

Personally just turn off all the traders while you fix it. I would not notice.

As long as you're ok then thats fine....*** everybody else.

What a ridiculous attitude.

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

Economies in MMO's are so fragile. If anything happens it effects 100% of the player base. This exploit was potentially economy breaking, so whether you like it or not, it was in the players best interest to fix asap.

If you have the data of the exploiters as stated by @ZOS_GinaBruno it doesn't matter. Make a warning in game (for everyone to read), patch the game in the evening (of the time zone the players are from), take action against the exploiters (temporary ban / delete the items) -> problem solved.

What you are doing is simply looking for an excuse of their wrong approach.

This combined with the overall bad state of the game (look for the bug threads and the history of exploits / bugs) this is nothing more than another bad joke.

Think of the bigger picture. They sell loads of exploited stuff to innocent players etc.....the ripple effect. Makes it harder to contain the longer its left.

who cares about some cheap sold gold materials? does that hurt the innocent players no? Simply let them buy it cheap. seriously, who the hell cares?
you know how easy it is to get all that stuff, right? I'm mainly a pvp player sitting on ~4m and like 100 of each gold upgrade mat (without abusing game mechanics, besides i would never pay for a assistant as I'm not going to shove any money to zos until they fix their game). If you struggle paying for those mats, enjoy buying them cheaper for the next, let's say, 8 hours until it is fixed. no harm done.

Again you have no concept of market fixing or economies. If a few people flood the market and buy all normal priced gold mats, you think they will resell them cheap??

But you do of course.

the exploiters need money to buy all items. so either they already have the money (and the exploit doesn't matter) or they get the money by selling the items cheaper, which isn't feasible, especially when everyone knows about the exploit and could get their items as well.

And anyway, if (temporarily) banned and items destroyed / removed, the above issue is fixed anyway.

Sorry, but this is just nonsense.

We will have to agree to disagree, but being as I have a masters in economics i'll stick with my theory thanks.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · April 2016

stumpy999 wrote: »

glad you like it, but my "attitude" means that all of us could log in and play

In what way does turning traders off inconvenience people more than not being able to log in at all?

Stumpy, they are FIXING something.
Now hush, be happy they actually started such an event for once, and go watch a p... erm, movie.

RazielSR · April 2016

Anyway, doesnt seem is gonna be "just" 2 hours.

nathan_bri · April 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We have data showing who has been exploiting, and will be taking the appropriate actions.

Thank you. Hate, hate, HATE people who cheat.

InvitationNotFound · April 2016

Buffler wrote: »

stumpy999 wrote: »

why does it matter? I have never bought mats

the price of mats is irrelevant to my day to day play experience.

If I need something I go looking for it it the world not the store

Personally just turn off all the traders while you fix it. I would not notice.

As long as you're ok then thats fine....*** everybody else.

What a ridiculous attitude.

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

Economies in MMO's are so fragile. If anything happens it effects 100% of the player base. This exploit was potentially economy breaking, so whether you like it or not, it was in the players best interest to fix asap.

If you have the data of the exploiters as stated by @ZOS_GinaBruno it doesn't matter. Make a warning in game (for everyone to read), patch the game in the evening (of the time zone the players are from), take action against the exploiters (temporary ban / delete the items) -> problem solved.

What you are doing is simply looking for an excuse of their wrong approach.

This combined with the overall bad state of the game (look for the bug threads and the history of exploits / bugs) this is nothing more than another bad joke.

Think of the bigger picture. They sell loads of exploited stuff to innocent players etc.....the ripple effect. Makes it harder to contain the longer its left.

who cares about some cheap sold gold materials? does that hurt the innocent players no? Simply let them buy it cheap. seriously, who the hell cares?
you know how easy it is to get all that stuff, right? I'm mainly a pvp player sitting on ~4m and like 100 of each gold upgrade mat (without abusing game mechanics, besides i would never pay for a assistant as I'm not going to shove any money to zos until they fix their game). If you struggle paying for those mats, enjoy buying them cheaper for the next, let's say, 8 hours until it is fixed. no harm done.

Again you have no concept of market fixing or economies. If a few people flood the market and buy all normal priced gold mats, you think they will resell them cheap??

But you do of course.

the exploiters need money to buy all items. so either they already have the money (and the exploit doesn't matter) or they get the money by selling the items cheaper, which isn't feasible, especially when everyone knows about the exploit and could get their items as well.

And anyway, if (temporarily) banned and items destroyed / removed, the above issue is fixed anyway.

Sorry, but this is just nonsense.

We will have to agree to disagree, but being as I have a masters in economics i'll stick with my theory thanks.

well, wouldn't be the first wrong interpretation / decision by anyone who studied economics

if there wouldn't be infinite resources, not enough money / time to buy them all and not enough players willing to pay 2x as much, I might would agree;)

mrs_gibbs · April 2016

No matter what time they do a hotfix someone will be upset because it's always prime time somewhere.

In the states it's working hours right now.

The sky isn't going to fall because you can't play for few hours. And then threatening to quit because you can't play... That makes no sense. Then you will never play, which is what you are complaining about in the first place. lol.

So much entitlement and whining on the forums for every little thing, every single day. If you really hate the game/company that much, quit.

In the mean time, relax, watch a movie, read a book, etc.

I applaud ZOS for getting this issue fixed pronto. They aren't always this quick to fix things...

Nafirian · April 2016

RIP Economy PS Anyone who did this just send all the gold mats to me :>

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · April 2016

Nafirian wrote: »

RIP Economy

No such thing as an economy here.
Or well, there is a very sick one, but I do not count this as one.

Bars · April 2016

I applaud ZOS for getting this issue fixed pronto. They aren't always this quick to fix things...

don't talk 2 soon just ask Templars xD

InvitationNotFound · April 2016

mrs_gibbs wrote: »

No matter what time they do a hotfix someone will be whining because it's always prime time somewhere.

In the states it's working hours right now.

The sky isn't going to fall because you can't play for 2 hours. And then threatening to quit because you can't play... That makes no sense. Then you will never play, which is what you are complaining about in the first place. lol.

So much entitlement and whining on the forums for every little thing, every single day. If you really hate the game/company that much, quit.

In the mean time, relax, watch a movie, read a book, etc.

I applaud ZOS for getting this issue fixed pronto. They aren't always this quick to fix things...

well, aren't you just complaining as well, here on the forums? or did i miss anything.
Besides that, I haven't seen a single "i quit" comment here.

Anyway, to your comment regarding there is always prime time somewhere. You realize that it is possible to shutdown the servers at different times, right? At least other companies can handle different time zones.

A reason to applaud zos is if they would stop with their **** band-aid fixes and really fix what's wrong with the game (including 100+ bugs already documented in this forum).

stumpy999 · April 2016

There are peak times

take the US server down in non US peak time

take the euro server down in non Euro peak times

The concept of it's always peak somewhere is just nonsense.

There are log on stats - avoid the peaks bro, avoid the peaks

ArvenAldmeri · April 2016

Anyway, thanks, @ZOS_GinaBruno for all the info! Of course such things need to be fixed, even tho its a very bad timing.

Roymachine · April 2016

Buffler wrote: »

Not yet because they are gathering mats, as soon as they have enough gold all gold mats in stores get bought by them and they then sell them 100/200% more expensive. They buy all mats that come up and employ same tactic.....most people buy gold mats and cant be bothered to farm for them.

To be honest though, they don't need to have thousands of gold tempers to buy out the market.

spammichtotb16_ESO · April 2016

Buffler wrote: »

We will have to agree to disagree, but being as I have a masters in economics i'll stick with my theory thanks.

I have one of those too. With specialization on Internet Economics too, and I say you are dead wrong.

As long as anyone can gather their own mats, there is no lasting effect to this exploit. The only effect it could have is that the mats are temporarily sold very cheap so the cheaters can unload their stuff. If they then try to buy all other offers they will make the sellers of those very happy and distribute their illegitimate income very nicely.

Of course the exploit needs to be fixed, a permanent influx of mats would drive the price so low, that honest harvesters have no profit from selling any more. That is the real issue.

MMO economies are rather stable, btw. Main reason because inflation is no issue do to it not having the drawbacks it has in RL economies. That does not mean markets don't change and there are often winners and losers of those changes.

Still, the downtime is badly timed.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO · April 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We have data showing who has been exploiting, and will be taking the appropriate actions.

Like the kids are saying these days: This just got REAL.

Way to go, ZOS!

mrs_gibbs · April 2016

That is all true, that they could have broken up the times. But they didn't.

It's bad timing, yes, there are lots of bugs, yes.

Still the world isn't going to end.

stumpy999 · April 2016

boom

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · April 2016

mrs_gibbs wrote: »

That is all true, that they could have broken up the times. But they didn't.

It's bad timing, yes, there are lots of bugs, yes.

Still the world isn't going to end.

It did though.
2 hours ago, it did just that...

Function · April 2016

My god.. some of you people are obnoxious.. they took the servers down for a good reason, if you cant understand that then there is no hope for you.

Kippesnikke · April 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Wonder if the exploiters will get their items removed from inventory and a slap on the wrist.. or will ZOS again prove the slogan: Exploit Early, Exploit Often!

We have data showing who has been exploiting, and will be taking the appropriate actions.

@ZOS_GinaBruno do the players also get unbanned when they have done good things for the community!!!!

InvitationNotFound · April 2016

Function wrote: »

My god.. some of you people are obnoxious.. they took the servers down for a good reason, if you cant understand that then there is no hope for you.

Nope, there wasn't a good reason to took the servers down during prime time. Not for this.

There would have been many better reasons to hot fix something and they didn't.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · April 2016

Kippesnikke wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Wonder if the exploiters will get their items removed from inventory and a slap on the wrist.. or will ZOS again prove the slogan: Exploit Early, Exploit Often!

We have data showing who has been exploiting, and will be taking the appropriate actions.

@ZOS_GinaBruno do the players also get unbanned when they have done good things for the community!!!!

Erm, explain this one to me please.
How can banned players do good to a community they are banned from?

ZAMOLXIS · April 2016

isnt it time up?!?! hmmmm!

Buffler · April 2016

Kippesnikke wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Wonder if the exploiters will get their items removed from inventory and a slap on the wrist.. or will ZOS again prove the slogan: Exploit Early, Exploit Often!

We have data showing who has been exploiting, and will be taking the appropriate actions.

@ZOS_GinaBruno do the players also get unbanned when they have done good things for the community!!!!

Do you have some weird man crush on the person you are referring to?

Bars · April 2016

are we there yet

MaxTM · April 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Wonder if the exploiters will get their items removed from inventory and a slap on the wrist.. or will ZOS again prove the slogan: Exploit Early, Exploit Often!

We have data showing who has been exploiting, and will be taking the appropriate actions.

Be more strict! Way too many exploiters and show no mercy!

Lava_Croft · April 2016

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Kippesnikke wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Wonder if the exploiters will get their items removed from inventory and a slap on the wrist.. or will ZOS again prove the slogan: Exploit Early, Exploit Often!

We have data showing who has been exploiting, and will be taking the appropriate actions.

@ZOS_GinaBruno do the players also get unbanned when they have done good things for the community!!!!

Erm, explain this one to me please.
How can banned players do good to a community they are banned from?

He means the Sypher-situation, where ZOS will be nicer to you because you might be beneficial to ZOS' business.

Buffler · April 2016

spammichtotb16_ESO wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

We will have to agree to disagree, but being as I have a masters in economics i'll stick with my theory thanks.

I have one of those too. With specialization on Internet Economics too, and I say you are dead wrong.

As long as anyone can gather their own mats, there is no lasting effect to this exploit. The only effect it could have is that the mats are temporarily sold very cheap so the cheaters can unload their stuff. If they then try to buy all other offers they will make the sellers of those very happy and distribute their illegitimate income very nicely.

Of course the exploit needs to be fixed, a permanent influx of mats would drive the price so low, that honest harvesters have no profit from selling any more. That is the real issue.

MMO economies are rather stable, btw. Main reason because inflation is no issue do to it not having the drawbacks it has in RL economies. That does not mean markets don't change and there are often winners and losers of those changes.

Still, the downtime is badly timed.

Then you know the exact meaning to "cornering markets"

Do you honestly believe gamers would use this exploit then sell everything cheap when they have monopolised the gold mats?

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · April 2016

Or, reward the good ones with, yes, a unique mount. :P