dagonbeer wrote: »

Would be nice if Dunmers could receive a damage bonus to poison as well, at least until barbershop/race change. There used to be some synergy between Dunmers and stam dks; not so anymore.

+1 listen to this guy zos!

Also can flames of oblivion and standard of might scale like the burning light Templar passive? Dealing either poison/fire damage if the players weapon damage is higher than their spell damage and vice versa. It seems odd having some fire and some poison, like its unfinished

I LOVE these changes and they will be the ONLY reason I start playing my StamDK again.

Not sure why all the resistance to the poison move - it is great for stam builds and MagDKs don't use Unstable Flame, Burning Breath or Corrosive Armor.

Those with Dunmer StamDKs will lose a little damage as a result of the Unstable Flame change (BB and CA are more about the debuffs than damage), but they are not capitalizing on all their racial passives by playing a stam build anyway, which means they are not min/maxing, so this change is hardly going to break their builds.

Here's one happy Toxic Dragon Cat.

dagonbeer wrote: »

Would be nice if Dunmers could receive a damage bonus to poison as well, at least until barbershop/race change. There used to be some synergy between Dunmers and stam dks; not so anymore.

And also the other races too. One race should not have a passive that strong.

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Spiked Armor: this is the staple of DK tanks and what originally made DK's great tanks, why are the morphs so wimpy? Neither morph has really any great attraction or really any noticeable difference in output based on choice.

I wish it would return a percent of the damage done to it rather than a flat amount. I think that would be a great way to balance out our weak whip damage in PvP without breaking PvE damage. (Further details)

Vangy wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

ZoM_Head wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Thank you for making my DUNMER dk useless. Breton give more resist to fire than dunmer + he give magica resist overal, lower cost and max magic... And now you change ardent FLAME to poison (but didnt change name) making my fire dmg increase racial wortless. And on top of all this you increase the stam cost on roll and block and literaly kill our last chanse to hold our ground (as magica dk`s). So, answer me mr @Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno WHAT is the reason to do all this ?

If you are a mag dk the poison change dosent affect you.... It's only for stam morph.... Read the notes properly please.

Several of us have Dunmer DKs, because magicka or stamina we had access and fully used the 7% extra damage with fire class and weapon wise.

With more and more stress being placed on tanks to go full out stamina, i myself changed my dunmer from magicka to stamina and was doing exceptionally well in pve due to the racial passives.

Now i have to revert back to magicka and sacrific a huge amount of potential tanking.

Since IC stamina was introduced to classes (back in August 2015 i believe) so im sure many many players have a stam dunmer dk for this reason, if they chance a very big deal in terms of effect (from fire to poison), then they should also at least add 7% poison damage to dunmer racials.

We ALL know it, dunmers are the DKs of the game, magicka or stamina. It makes no sense to change one morph to poison and force dunmers to go ONLY magicka.

Ardent flame passives changed for fire and poison damage, the same should be applied to dunmers, we do not have the stam regen or max stamina or max helth, melee dmg or crit like other stamina builds. 6% max stamina is the ONLY bonus a stamina dunmer has, it should be compensated by 7% flame and poison damage.It just makes sense to keep the topr ace for magicka dk the same as stamina as it always was the case.

I get you dont get to use the 7% bonus to fire damage racial passive. BUT.... You get to double dip into mighty and thamaturge for your ardent flame abilities. + things like weapon enchants, valkyns skoria proc, STANDARD OF MIGHT etc still get boosted by dunmer passive. Overall you should see a HUGE net DPS gain with this change.

I still cant comprehend why dunmer stam dks are complaining. Changes are BOOSTING YOUR OVERALL DPS.

And NO. Dunmer stam DK was NEVER fantastic. Its a sub par choice. Kinda like making a khajit tank. Best stam DKs in order imo are;

1. Redguard
2. Imperial
3. Bosmer/dunmer

Dunmer DKs for stamina were never a fantastic choice for DKs unless you intend on only playing without CP on the no-cp campaign.

What are you on about, do you read passives and connect them to your class skills?
Pre patch your choices would go

Khajiit
Dunmer
Everything else

Khajiit offers a ton of crit combine that with daggers and you're good to go

Dunmer offers extra flame damage, combine that with scorched earth with a maelstrom bow, engulfing flames, unstable flame (your strongest dot) and dunmer has a max stam bonus

Compare those to the rest and you'll see why those 2 picks are the best choices for strongest damage.

Khajit WOULD have been good if their racial bonus actually worked....

Between redguard and dunmer, for stam DPS id go with redguard every single time. Dks have *** sustain and with dunmer, you are pretty much a pot chugging shard munching DPS who is completely reliant on support to sustain. This wouldnt matter in pledges cos bosses die in under a minute but anything longer.... Whereas Redguard pretty much doubles up as a fantastic choice in both PvP and PvE. There is a reason why both alcast and Turbo run redguard stam DKs... From what I remember, Turbo did say his redguard pulls more DPS than his Dunmer DK. Can't remember where I read that though. The damage from dunmer is nice but I would much prefer redguard or imperial. To each his own I guess. I went with imperial for the same reason anyone would go dunmer DK for... For the flexibility it offers. The extra health and blood diamond appealed to me so I picked imperial. That measly 7% bonus damage for dunmer to 3 of your fire DOTS still dosent trump redguard sustain in any way unless you have both maelstrom daggers and bow...

Again, I don't see why dunmer Dks are complaining. These poison changes would still be an overall DPS gain imo. Maybe someone can test this out but I do believe ardent flame getting 25% bonus from mighty >> 7% racial passive.

Few patches beind, Khajiit crit has been fixed for months now

There's no arguing mathematically that Dunmer is the second strongest DPS wise. Sure you get RNG but you can't prove the math wrong when both classes have a stamina bonus but Dunmer has fire damage.

Redguard has sustain which is nice

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

I dont quite understand the fuss with dunmer Dk's. If someone could explain I'd be grateful;

Cos the way I see it, If I was a dunmer DK with racial passive of a slight bonus to fire damage and some pts in elemental expert, all I'd have to do is put points to max out mighty and Id still be doing more DPS with the poison change cos 25% from mighty>6% from racial passive? Or am I missing something?

Things like standard of might and flames of oblivion, weapon fire enchants and valkyns proc still get boosted by dunmer racials no? So all in all its a DPS increase to dunmer stam dks too?

You are so DELUDED /sry but can and wont be soft/ and all ppl who like your coment are blind. Once and for all - this game IS NOT JUST PVE. Standart you say ? - no one use standart in pvp because is easy to avoid /even shifting one/ Flames of oblivion?! shi.ty dmg once at every five sec and increase crit rate? cmoon.Fire weapon enchant? Do you even thik ANY self respecting pvper will put this on wep? just to get the GREAT benefit from 7% dunmer pasiv? when he juist can put wep dmg increase or nirn/if he run magicka.... and if he do use flame enchant pls tell me how much is 7% from 925 divided in half?! Keep in mind ZoS not just change dk stam morphs to poison, ZoS cnage all stamina morph to do phisical or poison dmg (like bow scorched earth into endles hail) and tis limited dunmers,if they want to be efective,ONLY to magica builds... and the only efective magicka build we have is destro staff... I dont pay to be limited to one build or one weapon just because someone decided we must have POISON knight. Is easy to fix this if they add poison dmg bonus to dunmer racial BUT this will make some builds damn OP, and i will tell you why. Combustion / the arden flame pasive give bonuses to ALL poison efect /including bow skills like poison injection acid spray dot and even the dmg aplied by lethal arow /they are already stron and imagine what they do with +66% bonus from Combustion. In top of "dat" world of ruins/ arden flame pasive/ aply bonuses to acid spray direct dmg and STACK with hawk eye and long shots pasive ... I tested all dmg is rly high and unbalanced/ both pvp/pve. All i want is to NOT cut my race and force me to STORE to change /because this will come soon i think/ and to not make mistake to give us windows to "OP" builds. Thats all.

Someone translate please.... Me no comprendo. Also... Paragraphs help. I don't think you seem to get that 25% from mighty is bigger than 7% from your racial passive.... Unless you play on no-cp campaign, the poison change is still a net dps gain for dunmer.... Maybe someone with more experience can shed some light...

For the most part, love love LOVE the changes. My day 1 main (A Khajiit Dragonknight) was made with zero knowledge of racial passives or any of that stuff and he always felt like a mistake by the time I reached level cap (at the time VR10) and I have always played him as a tank since in any other role he's sort of so so meh.

Since the removal of stamina regen while blocking I respeced him with 64 attributes to stamina, which opened the door to a simple change of clothes allowing him to pvp quite well in medium armor with s+b/bow, but he was still nowhere near the power of the dunmer magicka DK's I later rolled.

These changes to stamina morphs make my stamina DK competitive in ways I never imagined, he might actually be my most powerful toon now and it's been so hard to force myself to go back to the live servers after only a short time playing on the pts. The only other thing I would love to see added is a stamina morph for talons, make choking talons run on stamina so we have a decent cc.

And dragon blood. it just plain needs fixing it is so pathetically underwhelming as a self heal to the point that most dk's are using the double cast burning embers for healing rather than DB.

Maybe this is the wrong thread for feedback on heavy armor but the majority of stam DK's out there are tanks so this should apply too, there's a slight issue I have with the heavy armor change removing the bracing passive, this feels like another nerf to pve players (Tanks) to appease the pvper's and although there's the block reduction cp option (which I have 100 in anyway) it's still a nerf. I don't want shieldplay enchants on my tank jewellery I like having the fire resist on all 3 so I never have to move in most dungeons (seriously the majority of dungeon bosses are all about the fire) and can keep bosses in one place.

All in all though the stamina poison option for stamina DK's is a wonderful change and I love it!

A poison standard ( all 3 variants should be 200 ulti, not only shifting ) would be nice in exchange for turning one of the leap morphs to magic.

So with these changes to stam skills making them scale better.... Does this mean a dual wield DoT build would work in PvP? I can't test since my pts install is borked at the moment

Please change the puke visual effect! True, I haven't seen it myself, as PTS refuse to download. But if it looks like vomit, there are 2 people that love it, 12485 that do not.

Class skills should be fun and awesome to use. Be kind and leave the undead skills for another time. I'm totally fine with poison dragon concept, but I draw my limit to puke. Puke should be disease dmg, not poison, really.

Green fumes or green flames would be good and easy solution, this on PTS is just placeholder, right?

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Someone translate please.... Me no comprendo.

Are you sincere or just troll ? Do you even EsO?

Doubt that he/she's a troll. I never understood it either.

Poison effects should be more visible

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Someone translate please.... Me no comprendo.

Are you sincere or just troll ? Do you even EsO?

From what I could gather from your absurdly badly written slab of text wall with no (and wrong) punctuation, you claim;

1. No one uses standard in pvp. (Wrong). I can guarantee standard is used a lot more than scorched earth in pvp lol. Personally I use standard in group fights with talons/caltrops to slow enemies down on tanky build, I use it in sewers with tight corners where people cant get away easily etc etc.

2. Claim fire weapon enchants only do 925 damage. (Wrong as well. Read PTS notes please).

3. You also fail to understand dk passive bonus to fire. World in flame increases fire damage Aoe. The other passive (called kindling I believe) increases "burning effect" damage not fire damage. The New poison change would increase poison "status effect" damage.... Not flat out increase the damage of poison arrow or any other poison ability directly. The same way this passive even buffs enemies that catch on fire via fire damage enchant on weapon. Status effects such as burning or poison have a chance to proc when taking damage from that appropriate element. Ie: for burning status effect, unstable flame, burning breath, weapon flame damage enchant, inferno staff attacks, standard etc all have a chance to proc burning status effect. The scaling for this effect is not stated officially anywhere but one can presume they would scale off the appropriate resource and weapon/spell damage.

4. Still fail to understand these changes are going to result in a net dps gain for stamina dunmer dk. In fact it puts ALL stam Dk's at the pinnacle of stam DPS... We already were the kings of DPS for stam but with these changes most good dks will likely be even able to compete with sorcs during overload phase.

In short, your wall of waaah waah is misinformed and also a pain in the bee-hind to read. So I'll ask you the same question you asked me; do you even Eso? Something tells me you are whining without even giving this a try on PTS. Go try it out in both PvE and PvP.

"Obsidian Shield: Reduced the duration of this ability and its morphs to 6 seconds from 20 seconds." Kinda happy about this. I feel with the duration down, it is more fair to everyone.