Official Feedback Thread for Dragonknights

Zheg

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

@Zheg could you come work your magic hear? I'm not sure what it takes to get a response from devs, teach me senpai.

Why would I do that when purify only removes 2 debuffs instead of 5? DKs are on their own until templars are fixed.

Ghost-Shot

@Wrobel Any update on Dragons Blood?

Shadesofkin

The animation and color of the new Poison morphs of Ardent are still really dark and should be increased to a much much brighter hue.

Lightsaber green. Go with that as the base.

AfkNinja

Like this.

Ghost-Shot

Dragons Blood?

AfkNinja

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Dragons Blood?

ZOS: "No ETA"

Cinbri

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Dragons Blood?

Same day as Sun Shield - someday.

Daraugh

So Ardent Flame doing poison damage, I had envisioned my Dragonknight being the instigator of something like this...


Well, ok maybe not that over the top but this feels like a combination of fire and venom, a world in ruin. I'm not wishing or asking for a GoT copy, just posting more ideas along the lines as others have posted with green flames. Help preserve the feel of the Dragonknight while adding the venomous twist.

Bowser

I see tons of complaints about Dragon Blood yet few suggestions for improvement.

Lets post some ideas instead of whining about it.

Valorin

Another suggestion for the poison damage change would be ash-based visuals, at least for the breath. Breathing out an ash cloud with embers and all would be much nicer than the vomiting effect.
Fire is such a distinctive and powerful element. To just take that from a Dragon Knight and replace it with poison spitting just doesn't feel right. Not at all.

Recremen

Valorin wrote: »

Another suggestion for the poison damage change would be ash-based visuals, at least for the breath. Breathing out an ash cloud with embers and all would be much nicer than the vomiting effect.
Fire is such a distinctive and powerful element. To just take that from a Dragon Knight and replace it with poison spitting just doesn't feel right. Not at all.

Interestingly, the current stamina morph already has an ash cloud effect in addition to the beautiful orange flames. Same could be done for the claw attack, keep the flames but add a slightly more obvious ash cloud to it. Just something, please.

Vangy

Valorin wrote: »

Another suggestion for the poison damage change would be ash-based visuals, at least for the breath. Breathing out an ash cloud with embers and all would be much nicer than the vomiting effect.
Fire is such a distinctive and powerful element. To just take that from a Dragon Knight and replace it with poison spitting just doesn't feel right. Not at all.

Yeah like a yellowish-green sulphur fire breath. Sulphur fumes are poisonous yes?

Teridaxus

A posion punch would be nice.

Also please do something dragon blood. It's a joke , even in pve compared to other heals.

Armitas

Bowser wrote: »

I see tons of complaints about Dragon Blood yet few suggestions for improvement.

Lets post some ideas instead of whining about it.

Making suggestions is a good thing, but we are paying them with our hard earned money to complete these tasks themselves. It's not whining to tell them they broke it and they need to fix it. Nor is it our responsibility to tell them how. That is entirely voluntary. We have really been suggesting ideas for over a year now on this and frankly a lot of us are just burnt out on repeating ourselves.

One of my prior suggestions was to divide the heal in two parts. Part of the heal is the base 33% and the other part is the augmented heal from that 33% based on inc/out healing, mending, CP etc. The augmented heal should also be allowed to crit. The base heal occurs without battle spirit, the augmented heal occurs while being affected by Battle spirit. This way you will always get your 33% health, but anything over that is effected by battle spirit. It keeps PvE builds from being buffed or nerfed and still allows you to augment your DB in Cyrodiil while still being balanced around battle spirit.

Hutch679

Bowser wrote: »

I see tons of complaints about Dragon Blood yet few suggestions for improvement.

Lets post some ideas instead of whining about it.

Dragons Blood: Heals player for 20% of maximum health, with an additional 20% over 6 seconds.

Boom goes the dynamite.

Moglijuana

um...are people seriously worried about the color of an ability vs other abilities that actually have legit problems?? LOL.

All I want is ash cloud/eruption to cast at my feet and give me dodge chance while standing in it =(. That's it. Ok...maybe a 1k dmg buff to whip...Is that too hard to ask for ZOS????

Armitas

Hutch679 wrote: »

Bowser wrote: »

I see tons of complaints about Dragon Blood yet few suggestions for improvement.

Lets post some ideas instead of whining about it.

Dragons Blood: Heals player for 20% of maximum health, with an additional 20% over 6 seconds.

Boom goes the dynamite.

In my opinion that will make it worse than it already is in Cyrodiil because of battle spirit. We already have access to hot heals, what we need is a non shield derived (aka healing ward) burst heal. 20% health after battle spirit will probably look like a rapid regen crit. Plus PvE will be Mega-pissed.

Roymachine

Hutch679 wrote: »

Bowser wrote: »

I see tons of complaints about Dragon Blood yet few suggestions for improvement.

Lets post some ideas instead of whining about it.

Dragons Blood: Heals player for 20% of maximum health, with an additional 20% over 6 seconds.

Boom goes the dynamite.

Magicka DKs with those self heals? lol

To add to this discussion though, the second part of that isn't a bad idea at all. Would be a suitable magicka replacement to Vigor.

Ishammael

Hutch679 wrote: »

Bowser wrote: »

I see tons of complaints about Dragon Blood yet few suggestions for improvement.

Lets post some ideas instead of whining about it.

Dragons Blood: Heals player for 20% of maximum health, with an additional 20% over 6 seconds.

Boom goes the dynamite.

That sounds terrible.

Just make it work like it used to.

Recremen

Moglijuana wrote: »

um...are people seriously worried about the color of an ability vs other abilities that actually have legit problems?? LOL.

All I want is ash cloud/eruption to cast at my feet and give me dodge chance while standing in it =(. That's it. Ok...maybe a 1k dmg buff to whip...Is that too hard to ask for ZOS????

Aesthetics and graphical issues are a very important element of this game and what drew many of us here to begin with, the nuance between green puke and orange flame is therefore just as important as the nuance between dodge chance and a slow.

Daraugh

Moglijuana wrote: »

um...are people seriously worried about the color of an ability vs other abilities that actually have legit problems?? LOL.

All I want is ash cloud/eruption to cast at my feet and give me dodge chance while standing in it =(. That's it. Ok...maybe a 1k dmg buff to whip...Is that too hard to ask for ZOS????

Yes. Which is why some of us are giving ideas and feedback that concerns the aesthetic of the class while other testers give feedback on class abilities and skills. A class is like a jigsaw puzzle and each piece is as important as the next or nothing about any class matters. They all have to fit or skills, aesthetics and animations will never balance properly.

Moglijuana

Recremen wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

um...are people seriously worried about the color of an ability vs other abilities that actually have legit problems?? LOL.

All I want is ash cloud/eruption to cast at my feet and give me dodge chance while standing in it =(. That's it. Ok...maybe a 1k dmg buff to whip...Is that too hard to ask for ZOS????

Aesthetics and graphical issues are a very important element of this game and what drew many of us here to begin with, the nuance between green puke and orange flame is therefore just as important as the nuance between dodge chance and a slow.

meh. I guess I am just more interested in having a class that actually works correctly in a competitive environment vs looking like it works correctly...if you have a pile of crap, you can change the colors of it all you want. In the end however, it is still a pile of crap...tbh I never even use Burning Breath (Noxious Breath now?) because there are much better skills to use imo.

There are already more than enough posts about the graphical issues of ONE ability. I think they get it. Remember DK's have more than just ONE ability that need more than a color change... there are LOTS of good ideas in this thread don't get me wrong, but multiple pages about an aesthetic is kind of redundant imo, especially when our class heal is weaker than vigor, we no longer have an execute, molten pops you out of stealth, whip hits like a noodle, DRAGON LEAP BUGGING OUT etc... colors of an ability are definitely not comparable to actual combat mechanics. One appeases your eyes, the other actually determines if you live or die...but hey, that's just me and what I look for when testing things.

vortexman11

Moglijuana wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

um...are people seriously worried about the color of an ability vs other abilities that actually have legit problems?? LOL.

All I want is ash cloud/eruption to cast at my feet and give me dodge chance while standing in it =(. That's it. Ok...maybe a 1k dmg buff to whip...Is that too hard to ask for ZOS????

Aesthetics and graphical issues are a very important element of this game and what drew many of us here to begin with, the nuance between green puke and orange flame is therefore just as important as the nuance between dodge chance and a slow.

meh. I guess I am just more interested in having a class that actually works correctly in a competitive environment vs looking like it works correctly...if you have a pile of crap, you can change the colors of it all you want. In the end however, it is still a pile of crap...tbh I never even use Burning Breath (Noxious Breath now?) because there are much better skills to use imo.

There are already more than enough posts about the graphical issues of ONE ability. I think they get it. Remember DK's have more than just ONE ability that need more than a color change... there are LOTS of good ideas in this thread don't get me wrong, but multiple pages about an aesthetic is kind of redundant imo, especially when our class heal is weaker than vigor, we no longer have an execute, molten pops you out of stealth, whip hits like a noodle, DRAGON LEAP BUGGING OUT etc... colors of an ability are definitely not comparable to actual combat mechanics. One appeases your eyes, the other actually determines if you live or die...but hey, that's just me and what I look for when testing things.

While everything you said is true, I'm pretty sure we all know what ZOS' priorities are by now, I'm thinking the visual effects will be fixed/changed before much else. Sorry for being so pessimistic.

Smolt

Whip is still pretty weak. Dragon's blood is pathetic and needs a change especially for pvp. How about making it heal for 33% of total health instead of missing?

Moglijuana

vortexman11 wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

um...are people seriously worried about the color of an ability vs other abilities that actually have legit problems?? LOL.

All I want is ash cloud/eruption to cast at my feet and give me dodge chance while standing in it =(. That's it. Ok...maybe a 1k dmg buff to whip...Is that too hard to ask for ZOS????

Aesthetics and graphical issues are a very important element of this game and what drew many of us here to begin with, the nuance between green puke and orange flame is therefore just as important as the nuance between dodge chance and a slow.

meh. I guess I am just more interested in having a class that actually works correctly in a competitive environment vs looking like it works correctly...if you have a pile of crap, you can change the colors of it all you want. In the end however, it is still a pile of crap...tbh I never even use Burning Breath (Noxious Breath now?) because there are much better skills to use imo.

There are already more than enough posts about the graphical issues of ONE ability. I think they get it. Remember DK's have more than just ONE ability that need more than a color change... there are LOTS of good ideas in this thread don't get me wrong, but multiple pages about an aesthetic is kind of redundant imo, especially when our class heal is weaker than vigor, we no longer have an execute, molten pops you out of stealth, whip hits like a noodle, DRAGON LEAP BUGGING OUT etc... colors of an ability are definitely not comparable to actual combat mechanics. One appeases your eyes, the other actually determines if you live or die...but hey, that's just me and what I look for when testing things.

While everything you said is true, I'm pretty sure we all know what ZOS' priorities are by now, I'm thinking the visual effects will be fixed/changed before much else. Sorry for being so pessimistic.

That is the sad part =(. While I understand the visual effects mean a lot to people ( I mean I like looking cool too), there are many more things that hinder the effectiveness of every class. There are really good suggestions in here that have been here since IMPERIAL CITY but they just get pushed aside it seems. Quality vs. Quantity my friends. 4 DLC's a year is definitely in the Quantity department because obv the Quality has been sliding downhill for quite some time...

Recremen

Moglijuana wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

um...are people seriously worried about the color of an ability vs other abilities that actually have legit problems?? LOL.

All I want is ash cloud/eruption to cast at my feet and give me dodge chance while standing in it =(. That's it. Ok...maybe a 1k dmg buff to whip...Is that too hard to ask for ZOS????

Aesthetics and graphical issues are a very important element of this game and what drew many of us here to begin with, the nuance between green puke and orange flame is therefore just as important as the nuance between dodge chance and a slow.

meh. I guess I am just more interested in having a class that actually works correctly in a competitive environment vs looking like it works correctly...if you have a pile of crap, you can change the colors of it all you want. In the end however, it is still a pile of crap...tbh I never even use Burning Breath (Noxious Breath now?) because there are much better skills to use imo.

There are already more than enough posts about the graphical issues of ONE ability. I think they get it. Remember DK's have more than just ONE ability that need more than a color change... there are LOTS of good ideas in this thread don't get me wrong, but multiple pages about an aesthetic is kind of redundant imo, especially when our class heal is weaker than vigor, we no longer have an execute, molten pops you out of stealth, whip hits like a noodle, DRAGON LEAP BUGGING OUT etc... colors of an ability are definitely not comparable to actual combat mechanics. One appeases your eyes, the other actually determines if you live or die...but hey, that's just me and what I look for when testing things.

I totally feel you regarding all of those abilities, and I've spoken at length about all of them in different threads, as I'm sure many others have. The animation changes are new, however, and new with this patch on the PTS, so of course we're going to get a lot of feedback on that. And they need way more than one person saying "hey, this looks gross please change the animation back" or it's just a lone opinion in a sea of implied content. That's the same for any change. For something to be worth ZOS's time, a lot of people need to be vocal about it.

As for not using Burning Breath, it's one of those things that's a little more useful for PvE than PvP. I rarely get to use DK damaging abilities in PvP right now just because they perform so much worse than the weapon and other skill lines. DK has some great supplemental stuff, like Molten Armaments (RIP our fun and unique execute off of it, though), Reflective Scales, etc. I even use Green Dragon Blood, though that's honestly 100% for the stam regen at this point, the heal is completely useless. So I'm totally with you that DK abilities need a better treatment, that just isn't my focus at the moment because that's more an ongoing effort whereas this animation issue is an acute problem best nipped in the bud. ;-)

Moglijuana

Recremen wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

um...are people seriously worried about the color of an ability vs other abilities that actually have legit problems?? LOL.

All I want is ash cloud/eruption to cast at my feet and give me dodge chance while standing in it =(. That's it. Ok...maybe a 1k dmg buff to whip...Is that too hard to ask for ZOS????

Aesthetics and graphical issues are a very important element of this game and what drew many of us here to begin with, the nuance between green puke and orange flame is therefore just as important as the nuance between dodge chance and a slow.

meh. I guess I am just more interested in having a class that actually works correctly in a competitive environment vs looking like it works correctly...if you have a pile of crap, you can change the colors of it all you want. In the end however, it is still a pile of crap...tbh I never even use Burning Breath (Noxious Breath now?) because there are much better skills to use imo.

There are already more than enough posts about the graphical issues of ONE ability. I think they get it. Remember DK's have more than just ONE ability that need more than a color change... there are LOTS of good ideas in this thread don't get me wrong, but multiple pages about an aesthetic is kind of redundant imo, especially when our class heal is weaker than vigor, we no longer have an execute, molten pops you out of stealth, whip hits like a noodle, DRAGON LEAP BUGGING OUT etc... colors of an ability are definitely not comparable to actual combat mechanics. One appeases your eyes, the other actually determines if you live or die...but hey, that's just me and what I look for when testing things.

I totally feel you regarding all of those abilities, and I've spoken at length about all of them in different threads, as I'm sure many others have. The animation changes are new, however, and new with this patch on the PTS, so of course we're going to get a lot of feedback on that. And they need way more than one person saying "hey, this looks gross please change the animation back" or it's just a lone opinion in a sea of implied content. That's the same for any change. For something to be worth ZOS's time, a lot of people need to be vocal about it.

As for not using Burning Breath, it's one of those things that's a little more useful for PvE than PvP. I rarely get to use DK damaging abilities in PvP right now just because they perform so much worse than the weapon and other skill lines. DK has some great supplemental stuff, like Molten Armaments (RIP our fun and unique execute off of it, though), Reflective Scales, etc. I even use Green Dragon Blood, though that's honestly 100% for the stam regen at this point, the heal is completely useless. So I'm totally with you that DK abilities need a better treatment, that just isn't my focus at the moment because that's more an ongoing effort whereas this animation issue is an acute problem best nipped in the bud. ;-)

True true. All valid points . +1 for everyone in here looking out for DK's in one way or another!

Ghost-Shot

@Wrobel I've noticed this weird bug where Dragon's Blood appears to effected by the battle spirit debuff and I though to myself that can't be right! I can't see anyone in their right mind thinking that its a good idea to take an ability that heals 33% of your missing health and reduce that by 50% so it has to be a bug. Any chance of getting that fixed with the DB patch?

Hutch679

Armitas wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Bowser wrote: »

I see tons of complaints about Dragon Blood yet few suggestions for improvement.

Lets post some ideas instead of whining about it.

Dragons Blood: Heals player for 20% of maximum health, with an additional 20% over 6 seconds.

Boom goes the dynamite.

In my opinion that will make it worse than it already is in Cyrodiil because of battle spirit. We already have access to hot heals, what we need is a non shield derived (aka healing ward) burst heal. 20% health after battle spirit will probably look like a rapid regen crit. Plus PvE will be Mega-pissed.

Without the battle spirit it would be legit though. Maybe make it a 40% then?

Sugaroverdose

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

@Wrobel I've noticed this weird bug where Dragon's Blood appears to effected by the battle spirit debuff and I though to myself that can't be right! I can't see anyone in their right mind thinking that its a good idea to take an ability that heals 33% of your missing health and reduce that by 50% so it has to be a bug. Any chance of getting that fixed with the DB patch?

Dragon blood needs to be reworked to not became spammable OP if it will not be affected by battle spirit.
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