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Myxril · March 2016

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

So lets refocus this thread. Getting back to the point.

Overarching problems in ESO as highlighted in Fengrush's video.

1. ZOS lacks commitment to existing "endgame content" in favor of pushing out new DLC
Previous Trials (AA, HR and SO) Trials and Trials gear not updated to max level.

DSA and Master Weapons not updated to max level

PvP Elite Gear Vendor not updated to max level.

Fear that one day, Imperial City, Tel Var Vendor, and even the current trial will be outdated when the new CP level cap is instated.

2. PvP Performance, Content and TLC since launch has been mediocre
PvP performance has been terrible since the lighting/botting/client-server/whatever you want to call it patch.

Bugs/Exploits take months or even years to be fixed

No moderation for bad behavior in PvP.

Knee-jerk balance changes followed by no changes for months.

No new PvP content since launch except for that PvE grinding moshpit that is the Imperial City

3. Lack of communication with the playerbase.
Lack of equal representation for the PvP community.

Most community ambassadors are PvE focused

Trade guilds and PvE guilds have much more representation in ZOS guild meetings

Months of silence followed by insincere communication with dodges the issues.

That AOE caps thread where Wrobel was completely NON-RESPONSIVE and we still haven't received a real answer for why AOE caps are in the game.

NO ETA

NO ETA

NO ETA

NO ETA

SOON

Even now, this thread is being censored off the "general discussion" page and pushed into the dustbin of obscurity that is the Alliance war forums

4. The playerbase feels that ZOS doesn't acknolege or react to their concerns.
ZOS was warned by PTS testers about how unbalanced the champion system would be after about 300CP, IC launched with full CP.

ZOS was warned about Dupe Glitch at launch. Launched the game with known dupe glitch anyway

ZOS was warned about multiple mundus and countless other bugs, exploits, etc. No action. Launch anyway.

ZOS was repeatedly asked by PTS testers to remove useless or unused traits for PvP vendors. No change.

There. Now we can get back on topic. If you think of any more categories or sub-categories, please let me know.

Aaaaaand this should hopefully get us back on track. And maybe back into the General forum where this thread belongs.

Edit: Updated the list to reflect original quoted material.

dodgehopper_ESO · March 2016

krees28b14_ESO wrote: »

magnusthorek wrote: »

I'm so glad that I'm not the only player who is not "afraid" of speak my mind and point ruthlessly what the hell is going on.

And then, something obscure and not publicly mentioned is changed requiring us to re-accept the TOS (otherwise we can't even login anymore) like if we could even compare to the older text (who is paranoid enough to keep "version control" of TOSs) and we read it carefully just to see that basically the whole Section 6 is a general f*ck off saying exactly what Feng said but with legal speech.

And we can't even sell our game we paid for because we're not allowed to transfer our accounts to someone else. I spent more than 300$ in the game due exchange rates in my country and I'm not the real owner of its licenses. That's unreal!

Company keeps screwing the game, from performance and down to mechanics and content, patch after patch, and I can't get a refund because... oh wait! It's also in the freaking TOS >:(

Not saying I do not have some feeling towards Feng one way or the other. But, YOU were the one that agreed to the ToS so that is your own fault. If you are unhappy then cut your losses and play another game. Remember that companies respond to money. Take yours somewhere else and see what happens. Eso will either thrive or fold. But why stick around if the game makes you so unhappy?

With regard to software developers continually changing their agreements, I have to say that there is something shady to the way these agreements have been developed over the years. I'm not singling out ZoS but the entire software industry. Software Companies are supposedly asking us to read a document more involved than reading the documentation involved in buying a gas station with soil contamination. The part that gets me is that the size of the contract is so minimal. This is ridiculous. I shouldn't have to read a contract which is assigning my personal data away to outside sources for the price of a hamburger, but this is essentially being allowed. I for one thing this kind of b.s. needs to stop. It is in large part a big problem with the way Credit Card companies have the right to arbitrarily change your rates even if your credit score is fantastic and you pay in a timely fashion. While it is something businesses can do I think it is a bad trend in general and every time I have to sign off one of these agreements there is a part inside of me that gets angry at the industry as a whole.

Cody · March 2016

The snare/root issue killed it for me, sad to say. I have not fully given up, otherwise i would not be here, but i will not play as long as roots/snares are as bad as they are.

SeptimusDova · March 2016

Anyone have a guestimate of the amount of devs who work on the game?

People can withstand a lot if open communication is maintained.

Does ZOS have a Community Manager?

We see Gina on the forums a lot. Is this her role to serve as a communications point between the devs and us?

Or is it a secondary role?

This game has the potential to be absolutely amazing we can see it and almost touch it. I sincerely wish that the ad hominem attacks cease and we double down on the constructive pressure to reiterate what is affecting us most in the game.When I watched the eso podcast with all of the no eta's i sensed indifference.I do not know what others perceived.

The Zenimax approach with the sparse communications only adds fuel to the fire. Many smart people on here have mentioned that Communications is key.

I do not want anyone to quit the game as it can cause a snowball effect. I witnessed that when the lighting patch hit, then my friends list began to empty out and I became a guild of one.

Somewhere on the tube is a guild summit where the old zos was commenting that those they chose to speak with at the summit where the one percent in the game. And that is why they chose to engage with them at that summit. That is not a cool thing to say ZOS.

Hand_Bacon · March 2016

First the fat boy's pregnant and now I agree with Fengrush.

Signs of the apocalypse.

They sell boxes because a sucker is born every minute.

Loyal long term customers would take effort.

Not only do they not fix the many problems that are in the game and updating its content, they took the entire RvRvR concept from DAOC and broke it. Seriously, a game that old has a better overall implementation of RvRvR. ESO could have made improvements on that and been nextgen, instead, they lay an egg.

aLi3nZ · March 2016

I might watch the video later for a laugh. I can already tell it's going to be very negative in nature. I hope some of you get warnings or bans for you abusive comments towards zos.

So much QQ here. Some people taking this game far too seriously. It is a game after all. I fully agree Alliance war pvp is a complete mess full of lag and fps drops and a bore/Zerg fest. But thankfully we have IC and dueling guilds for small scale pvp which is still great. And we also have arenas on the way. Yes no ETA. Aside from a couple bugs like unbreakable cc and group members being invisible, I don't run into anything that bothers me with small scale pvp and ic is definitely not dead. I bought Theives guild dlc for the camel(haha) I haven't even been to the new zone. Too busy having fun elsewhere and making gold to upgrade my new set item peices (transmutation). I scored 2x arcane willpower rings yesterday. 200k yus.

Parafrost · March 2016

aLi3nZ wrote: »

I might watch the video later for a laugh. I can already tell it's going to be very negative in nature. I hope some of you get warnings or bans for you abusive comments towards zos.

So much QQ here. Some people taking this game far too seriously. It is a game after all. I fully agree Alliance war pvp is a complete mess full of lag and fps drops and a bore/Zerg fest. But thankfully we have IC and dueling guilds for small scale pvp which is still great. And we also have arenas on the way. Yes no ETA. Aside from a couple bugs like unbreakable cc and group members being invisible, I don't run into anything that bothers me with small scale pvp and ic is definitely not dead. I bought Theives guild dlc for the camel(haha) I haven't even been to the new zone. Too busy having fun elsewhere and making gold to upgrade my new set item peices (transmutation). I scored 2x arcane willpower rings yesterday. 200k yus.

On the way could be one or 2 years from now. It is confirmed already that it wont be added next update. Some people bought the eso plus, so they actually have a right to complain. If you are having fun, then thats great. This doesn't mean everyone has to have the same ideology as you. Also, what is transmutation? I don't think that is on PS4.

Edit: Looking at IC dlc, I see so much that ZOS could have added. For one, the fighters guild arena for the pvp area most pvpers have been wanting. Make it a queue in arena with brackets of 1v1s 2v2s 3v3s 4v4s and so on so forth. I'm sensing in the future after the Dark Brotherhood dlc they are going to add in shivering isles, and the great divines possibly. Would be some good content to see and experience with others and even some solo dungeons for the types who want to run solo and get gear.

WalkingLegacy · March 2016

aLi3nZ wrote: »

I might watch the video later for a laugh. I can already tell it's going to be very negative in nature. I hope some of you get warnings or bans for you abusive comments towards zos.

So much QQ here. Some people taking this game far too seriously. It is a game after all. I fully agree Alliance war pvp is a complete mess full of lag and fps drops and a bore/Zerg fest. But thankfully we have IC and dueling guilds for small scale pvp which is still great. And we also have arenas on the way. Yes no ETA. Aside from a couple bugs like unbreakable cc and group members being invisible, I don't run into anything that bothers me with small scale pvp and ic is definitely not dead. I bought Theives guild dlc for the camel(haha) I haven't even been to the new zone. Too busy having fun elsewhere and making gold to upgrade my new set item peices (transmutation). I scored 2x arcane willpower rings yesterday. 200k yus.

So much wrong here why you even bother.

See yourself out.

Samadhi · March 2016

Reported this thread for being in the wrong section -- it is focused on the general health of the game and is cluttering up the Alliance War section.
Suggested it be moved to General Discussion, where it is more applicable.

Myxril · March 2016

Samadhi wrote: »

Reported this thread for being in the wrong section -- it is focused on the general health of the game and is cluttering up the Alliance War section.
Suggested it be moved to General Discussion, where it is more applicable.

THIS.

Runkorko · March 2016

JD2013 wrote: »

He makes a couple of points. I'm willing to grant you that. But it's completely lost in his own sense of self importance and childish ranting.

"Yes, PVP is far from perfect I am certainly willing to admit that. But this balance that you speak of is a myth. In any MMO with PVP that I have ever played there's been more powerful classes, there's been imbalances, there's been discrepancies between abilities. And this is still going on in long running MMO's like World of Warcraft. Go ahead. Go to their forums and look. Even this many years into their game, players are shouting for class balances. "

( LOL mon, wow is most balanced pvp game ever.There always be whinies and some OP classes but they fix it asap and most important is they listen to the comunity)

"Performance wise in Cyrodiil? Yep, clearly there's a lot of issues. But how can you be so absolutely abd completely sure that if they removed AOE caps that this would magically fix the problem? You can't be. So, if they tried it and it didn't improve the stability and performance in Cyrodiil, then what?"

( we are sure because we already play non lag no aoe cap cyro (then no skill crybabies come out and all go to hell)

"You say that MMO's don't cater exclusively to casuals. This again is very true. In fact, a lot of MMO's have a lot of competitive stuff in their gameplay with PVP like battlegrounds and arenas. ESO doesn't. It's likely going to have Arenas before the year is out, but I'm willing to bet that the biggest chunk of the population of this game is here for Elder Scrolls. Not to be some sort of hardcore experience. Because this game does not and indeed has never promised or promoted itself as a hardcore experience game. In point of fact, in a recent interview, Matt Firor refers to the game as an online RPG as opposed to an MMO. Elder Scrolls has always and will always be about the journey and the stories. Not hardcore PVP experiences".

(Elder Scrolls has always and will always be about the journey and the stories eh. Ok i`m not a hardcore player but i already did all quests and exploration LONG ago.Now all i have is pvp and he`s lagy and unbalanced and zos dont show they care( and i tell you why) When you ty to balance pvp you listen what one of the "best" pvp payers sugest. You cant close your eyes and do what you want only to show who`s boss. If you care only about casuals and pve just say it. dont milk pvp comunity with empty promises)

"I do completely agree that patches should not be released that broken and full of bugs"

(read "milk drinking" above)

Now, we all know that the PVP community around here are the most vocal.

(if you die at last boss because your skills sucks or bcause of low frame rate or dcd you will be vocal too)

"There's having passion for a game, and there's sitting and ranting for nearly 30 minutes. If a game caused me this much stress, I would just get the heck out of dodge and find another game."

(this is called hope. that's why we come back here to see if there are good changes. unfortunately everything we see is rushed contents and "dont give a frick" what one of the backbone players think will be beter for the game (and i dont mean just Fengrush) Now you will say- why zos would listen to one or 2 or even 3 ppl.Becasuse my friend every one of this players have bigger wiev base than zos life and if you don know what this means i have nothing more to say.)

(I was one of the few "vocals" in the forums (with sugestion and warnings. because we seen this happens in so many games and we DONT want it happens in the one we love the most) and what we get / we get cut of fom FB page/with no explanation. Yes stil love the game. yes i`m stil subbed and no i dont play anymore/ exept login to feed horse) But worse thing is, every time i log i check my friend list (mostly casual pvers) and there are ppl who didnt log from a long time/ and i mean ppl who are members since beta and stil subbed. To not log when new exp is up, even just to see whats new .... you get it.)

"But this - this is not helping the game either. If you're going to threaten to leave, then either go and find another game that suits you better, or at least have some decency to give actual and constructive feedback rather than creating a song and dance about it all like you deserve some kind of preferential treatment above all other people who play this game.

"

(RLY?! a song and dance? Do you even know how many feedbacks Feng, King Richard, Sypher and Lefty already gave ???)

Waste of words. Good luck all

Parafrost · March 2016

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

He makes a couple of points. I'm willing to grant you that. But it's completely lost in his own sense of self importance and childish ranting.

"Yes, PVP is far from perfect I am certainly willing to admit that. But this balance that you speak of is a myth. In any MMO with PVP that I have ever played there's been more powerful classes, there's been imbalances, there's been discrepancies between abilities. And this is still going on in long running MMO's like World of Warcraft. Go ahead. Go to their forums and look. Even this many years into their game, players are shouting for class balances. "

( LOL mon, wow i most balanced pvp game ever.There always be whinies and some OP classes but they fix it asap and most important is they listen to the comunity)

"Performance wise in Cyrodiil? Yep, clearly there's a lot of issues. But how can you be so absolutely abd completely sure that if they removed AOE caps that this would magically fix the problem? You can't be. So, if they tried it and it didn't improve the stability and performance in Cyrodiil, then what?"

( we are sure because we already play non lag no aoe cap cyro (then no skill crybabies come out and all go to hell)

"You say that MMO's don't cater exclusively to casuals. This again is very true. In fact, a lot of MMO's have a lot of competitive stuff in their gameplay with PVP like battlegrounds and arenas. ESO doesn't. It's likely going to have Arenas before the year is out, but I'm willing to bet that the biggest chunk of the population of this game is here for Elder Scrolls. Not to be some sort of hardcore experience. Because this game does not and indeed has never promised or promoted itself as a hardcore experience game. In point of fact, in a recent interview, Matt Firor refers to the game as an online RPG as opposed to an MMO. Elder Scrolls has always and will always be about the journey and the stories. Not hardcore PVP experiences".

(Elder Scrolls has always and will always be about the journey and the stories eh. Ok i`m not a hardcore player but i already did all quests and exploration LONG ago.Now all i have is pvp and he`s lagy and unbalanced and zos dont show they care( and i tell you why) When you ty to balance pvp you listen what one of the "best" pvp payers sugest. You cant close your eyes and do what you want only to show who`s boss. If you care only about casuals and pve just say it. dont milk pvp comunity with empty promises)

"I do completely agree that patches should not be released that broken and full of bugs"

(read "milk drinking" above)

Now, we all know that the PVP community around here are the most vocal.

(if you die at last boss because your skills sucks or bcause of low frame rate or dcd you will be vocal too)

"There's having passion for a game, and there's sitting and ranting for nearly 30 minutes. If a game caused me this much stress, I would just get the heck out of dodge and find another game."

(this is called hope. that's why we come back here to see if there are good changes. unfortunately everything we see is rushed contents and "don give a frick" what one of the backbone players think will be beter for the game (and i dont mean just Fengrush) Now you will say- why zos would listen to one or 2 or even 3 ppl.Becasuse my friend every one of this players have bigger wiev base than zos life and if you don know what this means i have nothing more to say.)

(I was one of the few "vocals" in the forums (with sugestion and warnings. because we seen this happens in so many games and we DNT want it happens in the one we love the most) and what we get / we get cut of fom FB page/with no explanation. Yes stil love the game. yes i`m stil subbed and no i dont play anymore/ exept login to feed horse) But worse thing is, every time i log i check my friend list (mostly casual pvers) and there are ppl who didnt log from a long time/ and i mean ppl who are members since beta and stil subbed. To not log when new exp is up, even just to see whats new .... you get it.)

"But this - this is not helping the game either. If you're going to threaten to leave, then either go and find another game that suits you better, or at least have some decency to give actual and constructive feedback rather than creating a song and dance about it all like you deserve some kind of preferential treatment above all other people who play this game.

"

(RLY?! a song and dance? Do you even know how many feedbacks Feng, King Richard, Sypher and Lefty already gave ???)

Waste of words. Good luck all

Don't forget Deltia. Hes done a lot too.

ShadoPanauin · March 2016

Unruh supports fagrush

gw2only1b14_ESO · March 2016

keybaud wrote: »

Not My Video. Just thought some more more people should see it.

FENG RUSH Youtube: https://youtube.com/channel/UC0qKzzZV1yf_nnrPQc2YcWA

FENG RUSH Twitch: https://twitch.tv/fengrush/profile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o33iczl2PxE

Ok Feng it might be your approach suggest :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJpwR5SFES0

But its the face of MMos its the sign of the times The Gamer of today compared to the Commodore users/early Apple Zork players ect is leaps and bounds more evolved do to the growth of the computer/internet there will never be "a perfect game " there will just be games that will be fun and will be entertaining.

If you want challenges might have to unplug and go :

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/

MaxwellC · March 2016

I'm definitely glad this video is getting the publicity it deserves, many people need to understand even if they're enjoying the content now just wait till you finish your content whether it be getting certain levels or questing. There's literally nothing else to it afterwards, you can PvP but the balances are terrible and with thieves guild patch it practically ruined stam builds since people wanted physical damage resistance when they can far cast from safe locations.

Magicka classes can still block cast while regaining magicka versus how stamina users get 0% stam regen. How is that fair? Have you fought someone block casting you while as a stamina user; to put it short it's frustrating. You may say o just CC them yup I use fossilize all day but as a stam DK I only have so many resources at my disposal.

LiquidSchwartz · March 2016

I've been following this post since it was posted and mine was closed and every day it gets tons of more views so now it's in the wrong forum.. As much as I was told that they don't want to censor us by mods.. It really freakin seems like it

Valn · March 2016

gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »

keybaud wrote: »

Not My Video. Just thought some more more people should see it.

FENG RUSH Youtube: https://youtube.com/channel/UC0qKzzZV1yf_nnrPQc2YcWA

FENG RUSH Twitch: https://twitch.tv/fengrush/profile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o33iczl2PxE

Ok Feng it might be your approach suggest :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJpwR5SFES0

But its the face of MMos its the sign of the times The Gamer of today compared to the Commodore users/early Apple Zork players ect is leaps and bounds more evolved do to the growth of the computer/internet there will never be "a perfect game " there will just be games that will be fun and will be entertaining.

If you want challenges might have to unplug and go :

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/

Well if you have very low standards and enjoy mediocrity then thats your view. But some people want things to improve and get better and so they will voice their opinions and issues.

Are you aware of the concept of "feedback" or "reviews"? Have you ever used an internet forum before?

GRxKnight · March 2016

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

keybaud wrote: »

Wait,why has this been moved to Alliance War? It regards the entire state of the game. Not just PvP. Or do ZOS not like people seeing negatives with evidence?

The state of the game is fine. It is a thread inspired by valid PvP frustration.

Do you honestly believe the state of the game is fine? Are you delusional? Walk into cyrodil at prime time on trueflame and then try and say that sentence again

Derra · March 2016

GRxKnight wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

keybaud wrote: »

Wait,why has this been moved to Alliance War? It regards the entire state of the game. Not just PvP. Or do ZOS not like people seeing negatives with evidence?

The state of the game is fine. It is a thread inspired by valid PvP frustration.

Do you honestly believe the state of the game is fine? Are you delusional? Walk into cyrodil at prime time on trueflame and then try and say that sentence again

Problem is: The state of the game is fine for 95% of their playersbase. If dedicated pvpers even represent 5% of the playerbase.

WalkingLegacy · March 2016

Derra wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

keybaud wrote: »

Wait,why has this been moved to Alliance War? It regards the entire state of the game. Not just PvP. Or do ZOS not like people seeing negatives with evidence?

The state of the game is fine. It is a thread inspired by valid PvP frustration.

Do you honestly believe the state of the game is fine? Are you delusional? Walk into cyrodil at prime time on trueflame and then try and say that sentence again

Problem is: The state of the game is fine for 95% of their playersbase. If dedicated pvpers even represent 5% of the playerbase.

That's not true. I PvE more than PvP right now and the PvE is just as broken as PvP.

Combat abilities that don't work in PvP don't work in PvE.

Playing PvE content with my buddy and everything is so stupid easy it's like, what is the point.

Base game is so on the rails linear that is throwing off new players.

Graphical bugs introduced in Thieves Guild. Sound bugs introduced in Thieves Guild.

Constant crashing.

List goes on and on.

Etaniel · March 2016

Derra wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

keybaud wrote: »

Wait,why has this been moved to Alliance War? It regards the entire state of the game. Not just PvP. Or do ZOS not like people seeing negatives with evidence?

The state of the game is fine. It is a thread inspired by valid PvP frustration.

Do you honestly believe the state of the game is fine? Are you delusional? Walk into cyrodil at prime time on trueflame and then try and say that sentence again

Problem is: The state of the game is fine for 95% of their playersbase. If dedicated pvpers even represent 5% of the playerbase.

Yep, if you take into account the rate at which campaigns are locked, that we have max 2 campaigns locked on prime time outside of weekends, I'd actually be willing to bet that the PvP population represents less than 1% of the entire ESO playerbase. No wonder Zos doesn't give a crap about them... We are the most vocal though

MormondPayne_EP · March 2016

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

I'm definitely glad this video is getting the publicity it deserves, many people need to understand even if they're enjoying the content now just wait till you finish your content whether it be getting certain levels or questing. There's literally nothing else to it afterwards, you can PvP but the balances are terrible and with thieves guild patch it practically ruined stam builds since people wanted physical damage resistance when they can far cast from safe locations.

Magicka classes can still block cast while regaining magicka versus how stamina users get 0% stam regen. How is that fair? Have you fought someone block casting you while as a stamina user; to put it short it's frustrating. You may say o just CC them yup I use fossilize all day but as a stam DK I only have so many resources at my disposal.

Yes, CC them , a magicka build has low stamina, drain that and they are dead...

gw2only1b14_ESO · March 2016

Valn wrote: »

gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »

keybaud wrote: »

Not My Video. Just thought some more more people should see it.

FENG RUSH Youtube: https://youtube.com/channel/UC0qKzzZV1yf_nnrPQc2YcWA

FENG RUSH Twitch: https://twitch.tv/fengrush/profile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o33iczl2PxE

Ok Feng it might be your approach suggest :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJpwR5SFES0

But its the face of MMos its the sign of the times The Gamer of today compared to the Commodore users/early Apple Zork players ect is leaps and bounds more evolved do to the growth of the computer/internet there will never be "a perfect game " there will just be games that will be fun and will be entertaining.

If you want challenges might have to unplug and go :

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/

Well if you have very low standards and enjoy mediocrity then thats your view. But some people want things to improve and get better and so they will voice their opinions and issues.

Are you aware of the concept of "feedback" or "reviews"? Have you ever used an internet forum before?

"His" approach and attitude may have to change from evidence in the thread alone from players of the same game it shows in there feed back .

As for the game it has been mediocre from last March. And there business model wont change . And as games of the time have shown as well Once the cash shop comes into play and adding pay to play DLC that is there $$ base.
Sure its great to address opinions and feelings .
There's just a tactful way of doing it and doing it where you'll open more ears/eyes then shutting them

MaxwellC · March 2016

@MormondPayne_EP

You don't get it, they may have low stamina but the lowest any player will most likely have is 10k. They break free cool they will definitely have CCs like we do whether it be talons or fossilize and what happens to us we lose stamina too (If you haven't noticed we use stamina for our DPS). While fossilizing I bet you they'd throw in a couple heavy attacks to gain stamina back then the charade begins again.

I've fought a pretty good AD player on Consoles and PC who took advantage of block casting post and prior patch and they literally do not run out of stamina. When they block cast I can't throw up any burst damage since I'm a stamina DK.

GRxKnight · March 2016

Etaniel wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

keybaud wrote: »

Wait,why has this been moved to Alliance War? It regards the entire state of the game. Not just PvP. Or do ZOS not like people seeing negatives with evidence?

The state of the game is fine. It is a thread inspired by valid PvP frustration.

Do you honestly believe the state of the game is fine? Are you delusional? Walk into cyrodil at prime time on trueflame and then try and say that sentence again

Problem is: The state of the game is fine for 95% of their playersbase. If dedicated pvpers even represent 5% of the playerbase.

Yep, if you take into account the rate at which campaigns are locked, that we have max 2 campaigns locked on prime time outside of weekends, I'd actually be willing to bet that the PvP population represents less than 1% of the entire ESO playerbase. No wonder Zos doesn't give a crap about them... We are the most vocal though

Hardcore pvpers (those who pvp exclusively) do probably make up somewhere between 1% and 5% of the population...the rest are casuals, people who do both, rp'ers, traders, and ones who are the pve only group...agree with the fact that we have the loudest player base on the forums and yet because we're not running the new trial, partaking in TG content, or running the vet dungeons for the millionth time (seriously PVErs how can you stand to run the same linear content day in day out) all we get from ZoS in their posts are either, "we're looking into it", "we're not seeing a problem on our end", "working as intended", and my personal favorite, "we understand that discussions are going to get heated from time to time but we would like to remind you to please keep the discussions positive and constructive and also refer to our terms of service when posting on the forums"

Simply pathetic

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

I dont get how PVP people can say ZOS doesnt care about them. The entire first DLC and practically every nerf ever done was done on their behalf. The problem is you guys ask for stuff like entirely new systems and changing the fundamentals of the game. That is not happening. You guys act like there is unlimited money to develop things. Unlimited budgets only exist in government.

EsoRecon · March 2016

GRxKnight wrote: »

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Wait,why has this been moved to Alliance War? It regards the entire state of the game. Not just PvP. Or do ZOS not like people seeing negatives with evidence?

The state of the game is fine. It is a thread inspired by valid PvP frustration.

Do you honestly believe the state of the game is fine? Are you delusional? Walk into cyrodil at prime time on trueflame and then try and say that sentence again

Problem is: The state of the game is fine for 95% of their playersbase. If dedicated pvpers even represent 5% of the playerbase.

Yep, if you take into account the rate at which campaigns are locked, that we have max 2 campaigns locked on prime time outside of weekends, I'd actually be willing to bet that the PvP population represents less than 1% of the entire ESO playerbase. No wonder Zos doesn't give a crap about them... We are the most vocal though

Hardcore pvpers (those who pvp exclusively) do probably make up somewhere between 1% and 5% of the population...the rest are casuals, people who do both, rp'ers, traders, and ones who are the pve only group...agree with the fact that we have the loudest player base on the forums and yet because we're not running the new trial, partaking in TG content, or running the vet dungeons for the millionth time (seriously PVErs how can you stand to run the same linear content day in day out) all we get from ZoS in their posts are either, "we're looking into it", "we're not seeing a problem on our end", "working as intended", and my personal favorite, "we understand that discussions are going to get heated from time to time but we would like to remind you to please keep the discussions positive and constructive and also refer to our terms of service when posting on the forums"

Simply pathetic

I would simply like to add that just because the hardcore PVPers are the minority (I consider myself one) that doesn't mean you get to just disregard them. They are people too.

ZOS_MollyH · March 2016

Greetings, all.

As you are aware, this thread was moved to the Alliance War section of the forums in hopes that constructive discussion could continue and allow players to express their frustrations without having to lock the thread. Since the conversation has been very heated and passionate while mostly geared towards PVP, we moved the thread to avoid escalating the matter in General Discussion.

As this thread has continued to escalate and has since sparked additional threads, we are closing this at this time. The discussion has gone far off-topic, and has turned towards flaming and direct insults. Expressing frustration is understandable, but the bashing of employees and other players is not acceptable. This thread is no longer constructive, and abuse towards ZOS employees and other players will not be allowed to continue.