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This...
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Maybe some should be just a casual weekend player like myself with no dlc's and enjoy the game as an escape from the disfuntion of society that drives us crazy, I understand the bugs get annoying but it makes it more challenging to adapt to the chaos. Yeah some spend bunch of money on dlc's when they come out but a semi smart person like me will wait a few months till I'm comfortable knowing the bugs have been mostly fix so that enjoyment will be there.
Now I'm not cutting anyone down, this is just my opinion to the fact no game from the days of atari to now have been perfect.
I've seen alot of posts and hear alot of players say they spent lots of money on dlc's which have all been bugged, so who's the crazy one Zos for putting it out to soon or the players for continuing to buy bugged dlc's?3 -
Myxril✭✭✭ESO was advertised with massive AvAvA as its selling point. We were given the wonderous idea that we would have a TES experience in an MMO format, with the key centric piece being AvAvA. ZOS basically fapped all over siege videos about it.
To everyone crying allegations about PvPers always whining: Shut up. You do nothing but add more toxic junk to this thread and dillute its point.
To everyone saying that this is meant to be a PvE SkyrimOnline experience: Shut up. It was meant to be a TES experience in an MMO format with the grand center piece of AvAvA PvP.
To everyone epeening the Stam v Mag stuff: Shut up. That isn't the topic.
To everyone trashing people and not actually discussing the topic: Stop being a bunch of s'wits with the cliche "qq moar just leave" garbage. Telling people to gtfo just because you don't like that they aren't happy shows how pathetic YOU are as a player in this community. Shut up.
To everyone addressing the points made in the video: Thank you for carrying the discussion, whether you agree or disagree with the content of said video.
I sympathize greatly with the tone of it because of my own personal experience. ZOS, you better not censor what I'm about to write:
- I bought the Imperial Retail Collector's Edition pre-order for just under $100 + $15 or so for shipping. I played 5 days early access, then about 7 days after launch before my account was hacked. Everything was stolen; gear, gold, materials, runes. Everything. Items from the CE were also missing/deleted.
- I submitted multiple tickets about it because ZOS kept telling me they were aware of my 'missing bank slots/items' issue, even when I said nothing to that effect. It took nearly 2 weeks of me pestering them to get a 1:30am phone call telling me that, yes, my account was confirmed as having been hacked and my account would be restored later that day; I was also told it might be rolled back to pre-hack.
- So I stopped playing; it didn't help that i had 0g and no gear. Mind you, this was when every mob dropped 1g. For the next month and a half, I continued to send in tickets asking why my account wasn't recovered. I was ignored. Ignored. Ignored. Ignored. Ignored.
- Finally, I was mailed all of my items through in-game mail. I sussed out my inv, filled up my bank, took a mental dump on ESO and uninstalled after canceling my sub. Also, I wasn't properly reimbursed for all of that sub time that I had lost as a result of being told that my account would likely be rolled back. Almost 2mo sub time gone. What did I get? 30days sub time added. But I had quit the game.
I came back about 2 months ago and did my best not to flashback to this experience. It was all well and good until I started seeing complaints here and there. I chalked everything up to QQ quota. Time passed. Now here I am, still seething at ZOS...and letting them know in every ticket I submit; why? Because I reported someone harassing me and my guild, and the auto-response was about purchasing crowns from the store, then the ticket was marked complete. [TRIGGERED^2]
Now, if you've read this far, I thank you; this isn't meant to be a QQ post-it note. I'm fleshing this out to let everyone know exactly how I feel about this company. In case you haven't figured it out, I absolutely loathe them. If they weren't attached to ESO, I would take joy in watching them flop. But it's because they're attached to ESO that I want them to succeed, despite my seething *** of rage I have for them.
And part of them succeeding, first and foremost, is to not give away $1mil to some nobody because reasons.
* Succeeding would have been taking $1mil and investing in more than 1.5 voice actors for all of the trash NPCs, more/better servers for PvP, more employees to hash out bugs/balancing.
* Succeeding would have been revamping their AvAvA centerpiece over the years instead of neglecting it to the point that they decide to just retroactively change their view to "sorry not sorry, eso is actually supposed to be singleplayer online, not pvp".
* Succeeding would have been taking more time and effort in putting out bug fixes (before skill balancing) over vanity items; I disregard anyone who tries playing the "they need munniez because business" excuse about their focus on the Crown Store. THEY GAVE ONE MILLION FETCHING DOLLARS TO A RANDOM NOBODY FOR A BOX-PUSHING PR STUNT.
* Succeeding would have been scheduling fixes to a scope beyond 'all at once and with a huge injection of content', because that is just a distaster waiting to happen. Period.
This post grew larger than I wanted, and I haven't even ranted everything I wanted. So I'll conclude:
This game was intended to be as much PvP, if not more, as it was to be PvE when they brought it to us. This game has bugs in it old enough to collect SS checks.
I still hate ZOS with a fiery passion because I think their customer service is terrible. I have no comment about their community moderators, because I infrequently visit the forum; I only come here for the Natch Potes.
We have a 64-bit client (yay) but it's busted up and slathered in duct tape (boo), but I'm assuming it will get ironed out over time (meh).
Stuff is broken, things are unbalanced, crashing and missing textures abound, unscaled content (possibly linked to when VR goes byebye), people killing each other in the forum with the quick go-to's of "PvPer v PvEer" or "Filthy casual" this or "Entitled hardcore" that or "Stam vs Mag" this or "My Fist v Your Face" that.
Summary: ALESWELL 2016, NEVER FORGETEdited by Myxril on March 16, 2016 7:01AM'Okay, the question is...(laughter)...the question is, we have Vicious Death sets with Prox Det that are doing double damage from last patch -- they're doing double damage -- and the CP system scales them even more. Prox Dets are doing over 20k, okay? That's before Vicious Death does 15, m'kay? We're talking like 30k+. Okay.
"So, what about the stamina?" Okay. Um "The 2-handed execute skill--" I'm s--I'm sorry. What? The 2-Handed execute? What?! What am I gonna f***ing do?! Am I gonna execute a f***ing zerg with a 2-Handed slice?!'
--Fengrush, ESO Live Review 1:08:18
'He's lucky Im not a part of the company because I would simply ban or delete his account or even make the RNG or his damage ridiculously to stress him out even more.'
--mb10, regarding Fengrush12 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This sounds eerily very similar to the game i was playing Dust 514 developed by CCP. The game had no sense of direction, nothing was being balanced and every patch always broke many things thus changing the meta every month like an endless paradox. They were working on the ps3 so i cut them some slack. Zenimax in the other hand... they're on PC with literally no restrictions holding them back and they can't get PvP working properly? are you kidding me?
Of course CCP did not balance Dust 514 - because there is nothing to balance - each faction has it's typical features and they differ from each other, you have to live with those and adapt your play style to it - that is the whole point of having factions - just like all the ships in EVE have racial advantages and disadvantages, its the same game universe as EVE, so it has the same basic racial features. If you expect CCP to change this, then you can wait for an eternity and it will not have changed - just because these racial features are by design like this and not the game has to change after your liking, but you have to learn how to fit your gear to achieve the effects you want. This is a main part of EVE and so it is as well in Dust514.
I don't think you even played Dust 514. There's plenty to balance in an FPS with a competitive PVP focus, if you don't think there is, I'm pretty certain that you rarely, if at all play games with a PVP focus.
The reason balance was terrible in Dust was not because of factions. You could use the gear of any faction, so it was more about what you choose skill into. Balance was bad to sell boosters.
I play EVE since 2008, have 7 accounts and 11 characters - I guess I know a bit about the EVE universe - and Dust is placed into it. Come and play EVE to see how it is - you can get 14-30 days free trial. This is a really good balanced game, but it is not balanced in the way, you might expect it - every ship is different and made after racial features - nevertheless they are all very well balanced, as in there is no best ship or best gear - it depends on the role what is a good ship and fitting - try it. But it has a quite steep learning curve. You wont get that in a few weeks or months - it takes years.
Just because EVE might be balanced does not mean by extension Dust 514 is, the majority of Dust's development is outsoucred. They're different games with a completely different focus. If you think they're the same you'd be shocked to know of the tidal wave or butt-hurt and QQ coming from EVE players trying and failing at Dust because they were use to a hurry up and wait, point and click game.
Yes, both games are different, but the core mechanics of skill-driven game play is the same. You think that competitiveness means fairness - but that is not the idea of CCP about it - to compete does not mean it would have to be fair competition, it is not in EVE and not in Dust any fair - so you have to deal with it - EVE is PvP everywhere, as soon as you undock you are in PvP, and nothing will stop someone who wants to kill you from doing it - if fair or not - that is how it is - take it or leave it. This is by intention this way.
Edit: in EVE you command a ship, you are not the pilot - you are a capsuleer - immortal, if your capsule will be destroyed, your consciousness is transferred into your medical clone, which waits at your home station until you will need it - capsuleers are clone users, they are immortal, they can as well change clones at will with certain skills - and move their consciousness into different clones with different set ups - implant wise.Edited by Lysette on March 16, 2016 6:39AM0 -
dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭This sounds eerily very similar to the game i was playing Dust 514 developed by CCP. The game had no sense of direction, nothing was being balanced and every patch always broke many things thus changing the meta every month like an endless paradox. They were working on the ps3 so i cut them some slack. Zenimax in the other hand... they're on PC with literally no restrictions holding them back and they can't get PvP working properly? are you kidding me?
Of course CCP did not balance Dust 514 - because there is nothing to balance - each faction has it's typical features and they differ from each other, you have to live with those and adapt your play style to it - that is the whole point of having factions - just like all the ships in EVE have racial advantages and disadvantages, its the same game universe as EVE, so it has the same basic racial features. If you expect CCP to change this, then you can wait for an eternity and it will not have changed - just because these racial features are by design like this and not the game has to change after your liking, but you have to learn how to fit your gear to achieve the effects you want. This is a main part of EVE and so it is as well in Dust514.
I don't think you even played Dust 514. There's plenty to balance in an FPS with a competitive PVP focus, if you don't think there is, I'm pretty certain that you rarely, if at all play games with a PVP focus.
The reason balance was terrible in Dust was not because of factions. You could use the gear of any faction, so it was more about what you choose skill into. Balance was bad to sell boosters.
I play EVE since 2008, have 7 accounts and 11 characters - I guess I know a bit about the EVE universe - and Dust is placed into it. Come and play EVE to see how it is - you can get 14-30 days free trial. This is a really good balanced game, but it is not balanced in the way, you might expect it - every ship is different and made after racial features - nevertheless they are all very well balanced, as in there is no best ship or best gear - it depends on the role what is a good ship and fitting - try it. But it has a quite steep learning curve. You wont get that in a few weeks or months - it takes years.
Just because EVE might be balanced does not mean by extension Dust 514 is, the majority of Dust's development is outsoucred. They're different games with a completely different focus. If you think they're the same you'd be shocked to know of the tidal wave or butt-hurt and QQ coming from EVE players trying and failing at Dust because they were use to a hurry up and wait, point and click game.
Yes, both games are different, but the core mechanics of skill-driven game play is the same. You think that competitiveness means fairness - but that is not the idea of CCP about it - to compete does not mean it would have to be fair competition, it is not in EVE and not in Dust any fair - so you have to deal with it - EVE is PvP everywhere, as soon as you undock you are in PvP, and nothing will stop someone who wants to kill you from doing it - if fair or not - that is how it is - take it of leave it. This is by intention this way.
You are pretty much of completely incapable of not dodging, and just completely going off in another direction aren't you?0 -
Anzriel✭✭✭✭This sounds eerily very similar to the game i was playing Dust 514 developed by CCP. The game had no sense of direction, nothing was being balanced and every patch always broke many things thus changing the meta every month like an endless paradox. They were working on the ps3 so i cut them some slack. Zenimax in the other hand... they're on PC with literally no restrictions holding them back and they can't get PvP working properly? are you kidding me?
Of course CCP did not balance Dust 514 - because there is nothing to balance - each faction has it's typical features and they differ from each other, you have to live with those and adapt your play style to it - that is the whole point of having factions - just like all the ships in EVE have racial advantages and disadvantages, its the same game universe as EVE, so it has the same basic racial features. If you expect CCP to change this, then you can wait for an eternity and it will not have changed - just because these racial features are by design like this and not the game has to change after your liking, but you have to learn how to fit your gear to achieve the effects you want. This is a main part of EVE and so it is as well in Dust514.
I don't think you even played Dust 514. There's plenty to balance in an FPS with a competitive PVP focus, if you don't think there is, I'm pretty certain that you rarely, if at all play games with a PVP focus.
The reason balance was terrible in Dust was not because of factions. You could use the gear of any faction, so it was more about what you choose skill into. Balance was bad to sell boosters.
I play EVE since 2008, have 7 accounts and 11 characters - I guess I know a bit about the EVE universe - and Dust is placed into it. Come and play EVE to see how it is - you can get 14-30 days free trial. This is a really good balanced game, but it is not balanced in the way, you might expect it - every ship is different and made after racial features - nevertheless they are all very well balanced, as in there is no best ship or best gear - it depends on the role what is a good ship and fitting - try it. But it has a quite steep learning curve. You wont get that in a few weeks or months - it takes years.
Just because EVE might be balanced does not mean by extension Dust 514 is, the majority of Dust's development is outsoucred. They're different games with a completely different focus. If you think they're the same you'd be shocked to know of the tidal wave or butt-hurt and QQ coming from EVE players trying and failing at Dust because they were use to a hurry up and wait, point and click game.
Yes, both games are different, but the core mechanics of skill-driven game play is the same. You think that competitiveness means fairness - but that is not the idea of CCP about it - to compete does not mean it would have to be fair competition, it is not in EVE and not in Dust any fair - so you have to deal with it - EVE is PvP everywhere, as soon as you undock you are in PvP, and nothing will stop someone who wants to kill you from doing it - if fair or not - that is how it is - take it of leave it. This is by intention this way.
You are pretty much of completely incapable of not dodging, and just completely going off in another direction aren't you?
This thread is now about the harvesting of bananas and its effect on climate change.3 -
newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I'm a casual, I've been here since about a month or two after PC release. I sub two accounts.
Just one person's experience.
Oh wait, my hubby - same. So make that two.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This sounds eerily very similar to the game i was playing Dust 514 developed by CCP. The game had no sense of direction, nothing was being balanced and every patch always broke many things thus changing the meta every month like an endless paradox. They were working on the ps3 so i cut them some slack. Zenimax in the other hand... they're on PC with literally no restrictions holding them back and they can't get PvP working properly? are you kidding me?
Of course CCP did not balance Dust 514 - because there is nothing to balance - each faction has it's typical features and they differ from each other, you have to live with those and adapt your play style to it - that is the whole point of having factions - just like all the ships in EVE have racial advantages and disadvantages, its the same game universe as EVE, so it has the same basic racial features. If you expect CCP to change this, then you can wait for an eternity and it will not have changed - just because these racial features are by design like this and not the game has to change after your liking, but you have to learn how to fit your gear to achieve the effects you want. This is a main part of EVE and so it is as well in Dust514.
I don't think you even played Dust 514. There's plenty to balance in an FPS with a competitive PVP focus, if you don't think there is, I'm pretty certain that you rarely, if at all play games with a PVP focus.
The reason balance was terrible in Dust was not because of factions. You could use the gear of any faction, so it was more about what you choose skill into. Balance was bad to sell boosters.
I play EVE since 2008, have 7 accounts and 11 characters - I guess I know a bit about the EVE universe - and Dust is placed into it. Come and play EVE to see how it is - you can get 14-30 days free trial. This is a really good balanced game, but it is not balanced in the way, you might expect it - every ship is different and made after racial features - nevertheless they are all very well balanced, as in there is no best ship or best gear - it depends on the role what is a good ship and fitting - try it. But it has a quite steep learning curve. You wont get that in a few weeks or months - it takes years.
Just because EVE might be balanced does not mean by extension Dust 514 is, the majority of Dust's development is outsoucred. They're different games with a completely different focus. If you think they're the same you'd be shocked to know of the tidal wave or butt-hurt and QQ coming from EVE players trying and failing at Dust because they were use to a hurry up and wait, point and click game.
Yes, both games are different, but the core mechanics of skill-driven game play is the same. You think that competitiveness means fairness - but that is not the idea of CCP about it - to compete does not mean it would have to be fair competition, it is not in EVE and not in Dust any fair - so you have to deal with it - EVE is PvP everywhere, as soon as you undock you are in PvP, and nothing will stop someone who wants to kill you from doing it - if fair or not - that is how it is - take it of leave it. This is by intention this way.
You are pretty much of completely incapable of not dodging, and just completely going off in another direction aren't you?
I do not even understand what you are asking me here - maybe rephrase it, it makes no sense at all to me.
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What I meant is, of course both play different - because they are of a different style - Dust is fps, EVE is a command driven game - you give orders to your ship's crew - you are not steering yourself - even this is meanwhile a feature as well, because some newbies do not get that you are a commander and not the pilot.Edited by Lysette on March 16, 2016 6:48AM0 -
Myxril✭✭✭This is a thread about ZOS mishandling ESO. Take the off-topic Dust & EVE crap elsewhere, like maybe to a Dust or EVE forum. kthxbai guise'Okay, the question is...(laughter)...the question is, we have Vicious Death sets with Prox Det that are doing double damage from last patch -- they're doing double damage -- and the CP system scales them even more. Prox Dets are doing over 20k, okay? That's before Vicious Death does 15, m'kay? We're talking like 30k+. Okay.
"So, what about the stamina?" Okay. Um "The 2-handed execute skill--" I'm s--I'm sorry. What? The 2-Handed execute? What?! What am I gonna f***ing do?! Am I gonna execute a f***ing zerg with a 2-Handed slice?!'
--Fengrush, ESO Live Review 1:08:18
'He's lucky Im not a part of the company because I would simply ban or delete his account or even make the RNG or his damage ridiculously to stress him out even more.'
--mb10, regarding Fengrush5 -
Elloa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ESO was advertised with massive AvAvA as its selling point. We were given the wonderous idea that we would have a TES experience in an MMO format, with the key centric piece being AvAvA. ZOS basically fapped all over siege videos about it.
To everyone saying that this is meant to be a PvE SkyrimOnline experience: Shut up. It was meant to be a TES experience in an MMO format with the grand center piece of AvAvA PvP.
That's very true. This how ESO had been created, announced, and develloped before its release on beta. And this might have been the biggest mistake. There is a large community of PVPer, and those players are frustrated and unhappy. With reasons. The first being the lag.
But the thing is that the game started to be developed and had been changed on course. Because most players came to play ESO, to play Skyrim online, enjoy the stories, and didnd't care about AvA. So Zenimax had to adapt their game, and change it to please the majority of the player base (that happened during early stage of testing).
That's probably had been the huge difficulty of Zenimax: balancing the game to fullfil their original promises to the AvA fans, while developing the game in a direction that would please a great majority of their customers.
If ESO struggle so much today, in my opinion, its because Zenimax had to change stance, and constantly negociate their game, content and way of developing it.
I've the feeling that ESO is finally starting to go in the right direction. But most features we see implemented today, like battleleveling, no veteran ranks, etc... that should have been done at release. This are features that, I and many others, have begged for during the alpha3.
Edited by Elloa on March 16, 2016 10:30AM9 -
AlcastClass RepresentativeI prolly could not have it said better myself. I would have talked a bit more about the PvE tho and I think casuals are staying longer than some might think.
For me:
PvE SOLO/LORE = very nice
PvE Raiders= bad as old trials are not scaled
PVP = oh god I would have left long time ago if I were only here for PvP
Bethesda gave up on ZOS and TESO long time ago and all they are doing is "keeping" the $$$Cashflow$$$ going till the new Elder Scrolls comes out from Bethesda.
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Messy1✭✭✭✭✭
✭This guy hits on some uncomfortable truths about the game. This game has hit a huge glass ceiling, which could be broken if the devs focused on developing things that this guy highlight and that the rest of the player base has asked for. Frankly, it's insulting to watch the ESO live episodes and see how the devs pander to the crowd. They can't make any REAL promises to its gaming community. The devs are definitely no in control of this games destiny.
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Menelaos✭✭✭✭One of the things this dude mentions in his shi*, pi**, f**k, di*k staccato is ZOS not scaling the ancient old trials to Vet 16. I agree here. Maybe it was an oversight, a "we won't make it in time" thing or just plainly deliberate like Microsoft abolishing support for Windows XP. However, I think it was a poor decision and my proposal - if I were even asked - would be to take the high road and make them scalable in both directions: downscaling for non-Vet and scaling them upwards to Vet 16. This would at least make them on par with the Mule of Lorkhaj....und Gallileo dreht sich doch!
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EsoRecon✭✭✭✭✭Wow this thread is still going... awesomeXbox One [ NA ]
Gamertag - Zyzz II Legacy
Stam Sorc & Stam NB PvP
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TheHsN✭✭✭✭✭
✭i just agree that; when i go home from work ...
First take a shower then eat and then open pc and start playin ESO... i start with some pve and bugs are making me crazy and i close it.(there are really so many:) )..
And then i try to get PVP and even just entrance of cyrodill i see 500+ Ping and i close to whole game and start to watch some movies or tv series.
So i go home to play eso and i cant... in a idea it is poerfect game ..in a action you cant play it:D...
Plays:
Magicka SORC - PvE/PvP
Stamina NB - PvE/PvP
Magicka NB - PvE/PvP
Magicka Templar - PvE
Stamina Templar - PvP
Magicka DK - PvE
Stamina DK - PvE3 -
Menelaos✭✭✭✭
At least you eat and take a shower. According to some forum posters PVPers don't even do that because they have to stay competitive...i just agree that; when i go home from work ...
First take a shower then eat and then open pc and start playin ESO... i start with some pve and bugs are making me crazy and i close it.(there are really so many:) )..
And then i try to get PVP and even just entrance of cyrodill i see 500+ Ping and i close to whole game and start to watch some movies or tv series.
So i go home to play eso and i cant... in a idea it is poerfect game ..in a action you cant play it:D...
...und Gallileo dreht sich doch!
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EsoRecon✭✭✭✭✭
At least you eat and take a shower. According to some forum posters PVPers don't even do that because they have to stay competitive...i just agree that; when i go home from work ...
First take a shower then eat and then open pc and start playin ESO... i start with some pve and bugs are making me crazy and i close it.(there are really so many:) )..
And then i try to get PVP and even just entrance of cyrodill i see 500+ Ping and i close to whole game and start to watch some movies or tv series.
So i go home to play eso and i cant... in a idea it is poerfect game ..in a action you cant play it:D...
lolXbox One [ NA ]
Gamertag - Zyzz II Legacy
Stam Sorc & Stam NB PvP
(I'm Just Here To 1vX)1 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This sounds eerily very similar to the game i was playing Dust 514 developed by CCP. The game had no sense of direction, nothing was being balanced and every patch always broke many things thus changing the meta every month like an endless paradox. They were working on the ps3 so i cut them some slack. Zenimax in the other hand... they're on PC with literally no restrictions holding them back and they can't get PvP working properly? are you kidding me?
Of course CCP did not balance Dust 514 - because there is nothing to balance - each faction has it's typical features and they differ from each other, you have to live with those and adapt your play style to it - that is the whole point of having factions - just like all the ships in EVE have racial advantages and disadvantages, its the same game universe as EVE, so it has the same basic racial features. If you expect CCP to change this, then you can wait for an eternity and it will not have changed - just because these racial features are by design like this and not the game has to change after your liking, but you have to learn how to fit your gear to achieve the effects you want. This is a main part of EVE and so it is as well in Dust514.
I don't think you even played Dust 514. There's plenty to balance in an FPS with a competitive PVP focus, if you don't think there is, I'm pretty certain that you rarely, if at all play games with a PVP focus.
The reason balance was terrible in Dust was not because of factions. You could use the gear of any faction, so it was more about what you choose skill into. Balance was bad to sell boosters.
I play EVE since 2008, have 7 accounts and 11 characters - I guess I know a bit about the EVE universe - and Dust is placed into it. Come and play EVE to see how it is - you can get 14-30 days free trial. This is a really good balanced game, but it is not balanced in the way, you might expect it - every ship is different and made after racial features - nevertheless they are all very well balanced, as in there is no best ship or best gear - it depends on the role what is a good ship and fitting - try it. But it has a quite steep learning curve. You wont get that in a few weeks or months - it takes years.
Just because EVE might be balanced does not mean by extension Dust 514 is, the majority of Dust's development is outsoucred. They're different games with a completely different focus. If you think they're the same you'd be shocked to know of the tidal wave or butt-hurt and QQ coming from EVE players trying and failing at Dust because they were use to a hurry up and wait, point and click game.
Yes, both games are different, but the core mechanics of skill-driven game play is the same. You think that competitiveness means fairness - but that is not the idea of CCP about it - to compete does not mean it would have to be fair competition, it is not in EVE and not in Dust any fair - so you have to deal with it - EVE is PvP everywhere, as soon as you undock you are in PvP, and nothing will stop someone who wants to kill you from doing it - if fair or not - that is how it is - take it of leave it. This is by intention this way.
You are pretty much of completely incapable of not dodging, and just completely going off in another direction aren't you?
This thread is now about the harvesting of bananas and its effect on climate change.
I wish it was, it would be a lot more entertaining than just another PvP whine-fest.0 -
EsoRecon✭✭✭✭✭This sounds eerily very similar to the game i was playing Dust 514 developed by CCP. The game had no sense of direction, nothing was being balanced and every patch always broke many things thus changing the meta every month like an endless paradox. They were working on the ps3 so i cut them some slack. Zenimax in the other hand... they're on PC with literally no restrictions holding them back and they can't get PvP working properly? are you kidding me?
Of course CCP did not balance Dust 514 - because there is nothing to balance - each faction has it's typical features and they differ from each other, you have to live with those and adapt your play style to it - that is the whole point of having factions - just like all the ships in EVE have racial advantages and disadvantages, its the same game universe as EVE, so it has the same basic racial features. If you expect CCP to change this, then you can wait for an eternity and it will not have changed - just because these racial features are by design like this and not the game has to change after your liking, but you have to learn how to fit your gear to achieve the effects you want. This is a main part of EVE and so it is as well in Dust514.
I don't think you even played Dust 514. There's plenty to balance in an FPS with a competitive PVP focus, if you don't think there is, I'm pretty certain that you rarely, if at all play games with a PVP focus.
The reason balance was terrible in Dust was not because of factions. You could use the gear of any faction, so it was more about what you choose skill into. Balance was bad to sell boosters.
I play EVE since 2008, have 7 accounts and 11 characters - I guess I know a bit about the EVE universe - and Dust is placed into it. Come and play EVE to see how it is - you can get 14-30 days free trial. This is a really good balanced game, but it is not balanced in the way, you might expect it - every ship is different and made after racial features - nevertheless they are all very well balanced, as in there is no best ship or best gear - it depends on the role what is a good ship and fitting - try it. But it has a quite steep learning curve. You wont get that in a few weeks or months - it takes years.
Just because EVE might be balanced does not mean by extension Dust 514 is, the majority of Dust's development is outsoucred. They're different games with a completely different focus. If you think they're the same you'd be shocked to know of the tidal wave or butt-hurt and QQ coming from EVE players trying and failing at Dust because they were use to a hurry up and wait, point and click game.
Yes, both games are different, but the core mechanics of skill-driven game play is the same. You think that competitiveness means fairness - but that is not the idea of CCP about it - to compete does not mean it would have to be fair competition, it is not in EVE and not in Dust any fair - so you have to deal with it - EVE is PvP everywhere, as soon as you undock you are in PvP, and nothing will stop someone who wants to kill you from doing it - if fair or not - that is how it is - take it of leave it. This is by intention this way.
You are pretty much of completely incapable of not dodging, and just completely going off in another direction aren't you?
This thread is now about the harvesting of bananas and its effect on climate change.
I wish it was, it would be a lot more entertaining than just another PvP whine-fest.
Hmm maybe we should talk about something else... say Trump? XDEdited by EsoRecon on March 16, 2016 12:02PMXbox One [ NA ]
Gamertag - Zyzz II Legacy
Stam Sorc & Stam NB PvP
(I'm Just Here To 1vX)0 -
Thornen✭✭✭✭✭I wish it was, it would be a lot more entertaining than just another PvP whine-fest.
People misunderstand why PvPers whine alot on the forums, we've been eating the same crap each patch forever now while Pve players instantly get thier juicy burgers every time. Not that I agree with everything Feng says but he's right about alot of the things Zenimax does.
Have a look at the recent TG troves, took all of 1 week to get patched while things like run speed nerf. broken abilities etc etc all get the "were looking into that" treatment then nothing for 6 months.
And I feel sorry for the CM's like Gina that have to deal with the *** that goes on, when the problems are caused by dev and design decisions from higher up. Zos honestly can't pay them enough.
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Jhunn✭✭✭✭✭
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A lot more entertaining than just another PvP whine-fest, infested by better-knowing casual PvErs that have no idea what kind of sh't all PvP players have put up with for 2 years*This sounds eerily very similar to the game i was playing Dust 514 developed by CCP. The game had no sense of direction, nothing was being balanced and every patch always broke many things thus changing the meta every month like an endless paradox. They were working on the ps3 so i cut them some slack. Zenimax in the other hand... they're on PC with literally no restrictions holding them back and they can't get PvP working properly? are you kidding me?
Of course CCP did not balance Dust 514 - because there is nothing to balance - each faction has it's typical features and they differ from each other, you have to live with those and adapt your play style to it - that is the whole point of having factions - just like all the ships in EVE have racial advantages and disadvantages, its the same game universe as EVE, so it has the same basic racial features. If you expect CCP to change this, then you can wait for an eternity and it will not have changed - just because these racial features are by design like this and not the game has to change after your liking, but you have to learn how to fit your gear to achieve the effects you want. This is a main part of EVE and so it is as well in Dust514.
I don't think you even played Dust 514. There's plenty to balance in an FPS with a competitive PVP focus, if you don't think there is, I'm pretty certain that you rarely, if at all play games with a PVP focus.
The reason balance was terrible in Dust was not because of factions. You could use the gear of any faction, so it was more about what you choose skill into. Balance was bad to sell boosters.
I play EVE since 2008, have 7 accounts and 11 characters - I guess I know a bit about the EVE universe - and Dust is placed into it. Come and play EVE to see how it is - you can get 14-30 days free trial. This is a really good balanced game, but it is not balanced in the way, you might expect it - every ship is different and made after racial features - nevertheless they are all very well balanced, as in there is no best ship or best gear - it depends on the role what is a good ship and fitting - try it. But it has a quite steep learning curve. You wont get that in a few weeks or months - it takes years.
Just because EVE might be balanced does not mean by extension Dust 514 is, the majority of Dust's development is outsoucred. They're different games with a completely different focus. If you think they're the same you'd be shocked to know of the tidal wave or butt-hurt and QQ coming from EVE players trying and failing at Dust because they were use to a hurry up and wait, point and click game.
Yes, both games are different, but the core mechanics of skill-driven game play is the same. You think that competitiveness means fairness - but that is not the idea of CCP about it - to compete does not mean it would have to be fair competition, it is not in EVE and not in Dust any fair - so you have to deal with it - EVE is PvP everywhere, as soon as you undock you are in PvP, and nothing will stop someone who wants to kill you from doing it - if fair or not - that is how it is - take it of leave it. This is by intention this way.
You are pretty much of completely incapable of not dodging, and just completely going off in another direction aren't you?
This thread is now about the harvesting of bananas and its effect on climate change.
I wish it was, it would be a lot more entertaining than just another PvP whine-fest.
Better.Edited by Jhunn on March 16, 2016 12:27PMGave up.6 -
EsoRecon✭✭✭✭✭
A lot more entertaining than just another PvP whine-fest, infested by better-knowing casual PvErs that have no idea what kind of sh't all PvP players have put up with for 2 years*This sounds eerily very similar to the game i was playing Dust 514 developed by CCP. The game had no sense of direction, nothing was being balanced and every patch always broke many things thus changing the meta every month like an endless paradox. They were working on the ps3 so i cut them some slack. Zenimax in the other hand... they're on PC with literally no restrictions holding them back and they can't get PvP working properly? are you kidding me?
Of course CCP did not balance Dust 514 - because there is nothing to balance - each faction has it's typical features and they differ from each other, you have to live with those and adapt your play style to it - that is the whole point of having factions - just like all the ships in EVE have racial advantages and disadvantages, its the same game universe as EVE, so it has the same basic racial features. If you expect CCP to change this, then you can wait for an eternity and it will not have changed - just because these racial features are by design like this and not the game has to change after your liking, but you have to learn how to fit your gear to achieve the effects you want. This is a main part of EVE and so it is as well in Dust514.
I don't think you even played Dust 514. There's plenty to balance in an FPS with a competitive PVP focus, if you don't think there is, I'm pretty certain that you rarely, if at all play games with a PVP focus.
The reason balance was terrible in Dust was not because of factions. You could use the gear of any faction, so it was more about what you choose skill into. Balance was bad to sell boosters.
I play EVE since 2008, have 7 accounts and 11 characters - I guess I know a bit about the EVE universe - and Dust is placed into it. Come and play EVE to see how it is - you can get 14-30 days free trial. This is a really good balanced game, but it is not balanced in the way, you might expect it - every ship is different and made after racial features - nevertheless they are all very well balanced, as in there is no best ship or best gear - it depends on the role what is a good ship and fitting - try it. But it has a quite steep learning curve. You wont get that in a few weeks or months - it takes years.
Just because EVE might be balanced does not mean by extension Dust 514 is, the majority of Dust's development is outsoucred. They're different games with a completely different focus. If you think they're the same you'd be shocked to know of the tidal wave or butt-hurt and QQ coming from EVE players trying and failing at Dust because they were use to a hurry up and wait, point and click game.
Yes, both games are different, but the core mechanics of skill-driven game play is the same. You think that competitiveness means fairness - but that is not the idea of CCP about it - to compete does not mean it would have to be fair competition, it is not in EVE and not in Dust any fair - so you have to deal with it - EVE is PvP everywhere, as soon as you undock you are in PvP, and nothing will stop someone who wants to kill you from doing it - if fair or not - that is how it is - take it of leave it. This is by intention this way.
You are pretty much of completely incapable of not dodging, and just completely going off in another direction aren't you?
This thread is now about the harvesting of bananas and its effect on climate change.
I wish it was, it would be a lot more entertaining than just another PvP whine-fest.
Better.
But Casual PVEers are all knowing, they know whats best for the game. Even the parts they don't even play! (PVP)
(Very sarcastic comment)Edited by EsoRecon on March 16, 2016 12:30PMXbox One [ NA ]
Gamertag - Zyzz II Legacy
Stam Sorc & Stam NB PvP
(I'm Just Here To 1vX)1 -
I_killed_Vivec✭✭✭✭✭
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A lot more entertaining than just another PvP whine-fest, infested by better-knowing casual PvErs that have no idea what kind of sh't all PvP players have put up with for 2 years*This sounds eerily very similar to the game i was playing Dust 514 developed by CCP. The game had no sense of direction, nothing was being balanced and every patch always broke many things thus changing the meta every month like an endless paradox. They were working on the ps3 so i cut them some slack. Zenimax in the other hand... they're on PC with literally no restrictions holding them back and they can't get PvP working properly? are you kidding me?
Of course CCP did not balance Dust 514 - because there is nothing to balance - each faction has it's typical features and they differ from each other, you have to live with those and adapt your play style to it - that is the whole point of having factions - just like all the ships in EVE have racial advantages and disadvantages, its the same game universe as EVE, so it has the same basic racial features. If you expect CCP to change this, then you can wait for an eternity and it will not have changed - just because these racial features are by design like this and not the game has to change after your liking, but you have to learn how to fit your gear to achieve the effects you want. This is a main part of EVE and so it is as well in Dust514.
I don't think you even played Dust 514. There's plenty to balance in an FPS with a competitive PVP focus, if you don't think there is, I'm pretty certain that you rarely, if at all play games with a PVP focus.
The reason balance was terrible in Dust was not because of factions. You could use the gear of any faction, so it was more about what you choose skill into. Balance was bad to sell boosters.
I play EVE since 2008, have 7 accounts and 11 characters - I guess I know a bit about the EVE universe - and Dust is placed into it. Come and play EVE to see how it is - you can get 14-30 days free trial. This is a really good balanced game, but it is not balanced in the way, you might expect it - every ship is different and made after racial features - nevertheless they are all very well balanced, as in there is no best ship or best gear - it depends on the role what is a good ship and fitting - try it. But it has a quite steep learning curve. You wont get that in a few weeks or months - it takes years.
Just because EVE might be balanced does not mean by extension Dust 514 is, the majority of Dust's development is outsoucred. They're different games with a completely different focus. If you think they're the same you'd be shocked to know of the tidal wave or butt-hurt and QQ coming from EVE players trying and failing at Dust because they were use to a hurry up and wait, point and click game.
Yes, both games are different, but the core mechanics of skill-driven game play is the same. You think that competitiveness means fairness - but that is not the idea of CCP about it - to compete does not mean it would have to be fair competition, it is not in EVE and not in Dust any fair - so you have to deal with it - EVE is PvP everywhere, as soon as you undock you are in PvP, and nothing will stop someone who wants to kill you from doing it - if fair or not - that is how it is - take it of leave it. This is by intention this way.
You are pretty much of completely incapable of not dodging, and just completely going off in another direction aren't you?
This thread is now about the harvesting of bananas and its effect on climate change.
I wish it was, it would be a lot more entertaining than just another PvP whine-fest.
Better.
But Casual PVEers are all knowing, they know whats best for the game. Even the parts they don't even play! (PVP)
(Very sarcastic comment)
Whereas Hardcore PvPers are all knowing, they know what's best for the game. Even the parts they don't even play?
No sarcasm, genuine question
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EsoRecon✭✭✭✭✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: »
A lot more entertaining than just another PvP whine-fest, infested by better-knowing casual PvErs that have no idea what kind of sh't all PvP players have put up with for 2 years*This sounds eerily very similar to the game i was playing Dust 514 developed by CCP. The game had no sense of direction, nothing was being balanced and every patch always broke many things thus changing the meta every month like an endless paradox. They were working on the ps3 so i cut them some slack. Zenimax in the other hand... they're on PC with literally no restrictions holding them back and they can't get PvP working properly? are you kidding me?
Of course CCP did not balance Dust 514 - because there is nothing to balance - each faction has it's typical features and they differ from each other, you have to live with those and adapt your play style to it - that is the whole point of having factions - just like all the ships in EVE have racial advantages and disadvantages, its the same game universe as EVE, so it has the same basic racial features. If you expect CCP to change this, then you can wait for an eternity and it will not have changed - just because these racial features are by design like this and not the game has to change after your liking, but you have to learn how to fit your gear to achieve the effects you want. This is a main part of EVE and so it is as well in Dust514.
I don't think you even played Dust 514. There's plenty to balance in an FPS with a competitive PVP focus, if you don't think there is, I'm pretty certain that you rarely, if at all play games with a PVP focus.
The reason balance was terrible in Dust was not because of factions. You could use the gear of any faction, so it was more about what you choose skill into. Balance was bad to sell boosters.
I play EVE since 2008, have 7 accounts and 11 characters - I guess I know a bit about the EVE universe - and Dust is placed into it. Come and play EVE to see how it is - you can get 14-30 days free trial. This is a really good balanced game, but it is not balanced in the way, you might expect it - every ship is different and made after racial features - nevertheless they are all very well balanced, as in there is no best ship or best gear - it depends on the role what is a good ship and fitting - try it. But it has a quite steep learning curve. You wont get that in a few weeks or months - it takes years.
Just because EVE might be balanced does not mean by extension Dust 514 is, the majority of Dust's development is outsoucred. They're different games with a completely different focus. If you think they're the same you'd be shocked to know of the tidal wave or butt-hurt and QQ coming from EVE players trying and failing at Dust because they were use to a hurry up and wait, point and click game.
Yes, both games are different, but the core mechanics of skill-driven game play is the same. You think that competitiveness means fairness - but that is not the idea of CCP about it - to compete does not mean it would have to be fair competition, it is not in EVE and not in Dust any fair - so you have to deal with it - EVE is PvP everywhere, as soon as you undock you are in PvP, and nothing will stop someone who wants to kill you from doing it - if fair or not - that is how it is - take it of leave it. This is by intention this way.
You are pretty much of completely incapable of not dodging, and just completely going off in another direction aren't you?
This thread is now about the harvesting of bananas and its effect on climate change.
I wish it was, it would be a lot more entertaining than just another PvP whine-fest.
Better.
But Casual PVEers are all knowing, they know whats best for the game. Even the parts they don't even play! (PVP)
(Very sarcastic comment)
Whereas Hardcore PvPers are all knowing, they know what's best for the game. Even the parts they don't even play?
No sarcasm, genuine question
Bruh PVPers don't talk about PVE cause they DON'T CAREXbox One [ NA ]
Gamertag - Zyzz II Legacy
Stam Sorc & Stam NB PvP
(I'm Just Here To 1vX)1 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
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A lot more entertaining than just another PvP whine-fest, infested by better-knowing casual PvErs that have no idea what kind of sh't all PvP players have put up with for 2 years*This sounds eerily very similar to the game i was playing Dust 514 developed by CCP. The game had no sense of direction, nothing was being balanced and every patch always broke many things thus changing the meta every month like an endless paradox. They were working on the ps3 so i cut them some slack. Zenimax in the other hand... they're on PC with literally no restrictions holding them back and they can't get PvP working properly? are you kidding me?
Of course CCP did not balance Dust 514 - because there is nothing to balance - each faction has it's typical features and they differ from each other, you have to live with those and adapt your play style to it - that is the whole point of having factions - just like all the ships in EVE have racial advantages and disadvantages, its the same game universe as EVE, so it has the same basic racial features. If you expect CCP to change this, then you can wait for an eternity and it will not have changed - just because these racial features are by design like this and not the game has to change after your liking, but you have to learn how to fit your gear to achieve the effects you want. This is a main part of EVE and so it is as well in Dust514.
I don't think you even played Dust 514. There's plenty to balance in an FPS with a competitive PVP focus, if you don't think there is, I'm pretty certain that you rarely, if at all play games with a PVP focus.
The reason balance was terrible in Dust was not because of factions. You could use the gear of any faction, so it was more about what you choose skill into. Balance was bad to sell boosters.
I play EVE since 2008, have 7 accounts and 11 characters - I guess I know a bit about the EVE universe - and Dust is placed into it. Come and play EVE to see how it is - you can get 14-30 days free trial. This is a really good balanced game, but it is not balanced in the way, you might expect it - every ship is different and made after racial features - nevertheless they are all very well balanced, as in there is no best ship or best gear - it depends on the role what is a good ship and fitting - try it. But it has a quite steep learning curve. You wont get that in a few weeks or months - it takes years.
Just because EVE might be balanced does not mean by extension Dust 514 is, the majority of Dust's development is outsoucred. They're different games with a completely different focus. If you think they're the same you'd be shocked to know of the tidal wave or butt-hurt and QQ coming from EVE players trying and failing at Dust because they were use to a hurry up and wait, point and click game.
Yes, both games are different, but the core mechanics of skill-driven game play is the same. You think that competitiveness means fairness - but that is not the idea of CCP about it - to compete does not mean it would have to be fair competition, it is not in EVE and not in Dust any fair - so you have to deal with it - EVE is PvP everywhere, as soon as you undock you are in PvP, and nothing will stop someone who wants to kill you from doing it - if fair or not - that is how it is - take it of leave it. This is by intention this way.
You are pretty much of completely incapable of not dodging, and just completely going off in another direction aren't you?
This thread is now about the harvesting of bananas and its effect on climate change.
I wish it was, it would be a lot more entertaining than just another PvP whine-fest.
Better.
But Casual PVEers are all knowing, they know whats best for the game. Even the parts they don't even play! (PVP)
(Very sarcastic comment)
It might help the PvPers get PvEers on board if they didn't constantly dismiss them as casual players. The fact is that the PvEers will be here long after the PvPers have moved on to their next big thing - which they'll soon be complaining about, just as they do as soon as they get anything they ask for here.4 -
EsoRecon✭✭✭✭✭
A lot more entertaining than just another PvP whine-fest, infested by better-knowing casual PvErs that have no idea what kind of sh't all PvP players have put up with for 2 years*This sounds eerily very similar to the game i was playing Dust 514 developed by CCP. The game had no sense of direction, nothing was being balanced and every patch always broke many things thus changing the meta every month like an endless paradox. They were working on the ps3 so i cut them some slack. Zenimax in the other hand... they're on PC with literally no restrictions holding them back and they can't get PvP working properly? are you kidding me?
Of course CCP did not balance Dust 514 - because there is nothing to balance - each faction has it's typical features and they differ from each other, you have to live with those and adapt your play style to it - that is the whole point of having factions - just like all the ships in EVE have racial advantages and disadvantages, its the same game universe as EVE, so it has the same basic racial features. If you expect CCP to change this, then you can wait for an eternity and it will not have changed - just because these racial features are by design like this and not the game has to change after your liking, but you have to learn how to fit your gear to achieve the effects you want. This is a main part of EVE and so it is as well in Dust514.
I don't think you even played Dust 514. There's plenty to balance in an FPS with a competitive PVP focus, if you don't think there is, I'm pretty certain that you rarely, if at all play games with a PVP focus.
The reason balance was terrible in Dust was not because of factions. You could use the gear of any faction, so it was more about what you choose skill into. Balance was bad to sell boosters.
I play EVE since 2008, have 7 accounts and 11 characters - I guess I know a bit about the EVE universe - and Dust is placed into it. Come and play EVE to see how it is - you can get 14-30 days free trial. This is a really good balanced game, but it is not balanced in the way, you might expect it - every ship is different and made after racial features - nevertheless they are all very well balanced, as in there is no best ship or best gear - it depends on the role what is a good ship and fitting - try it. But it has a quite steep learning curve. You wont get that in a few weeks or months - it takes years.
Just because EVE might be balanced does not mean by extension Dust 514 is, the majority of Dust's development is outsoucred. They're different games with a completely different focus. If you think they're the same you'd be shocked to know of the tidal wave or butt-hurt and QQ coming from EVE players trying and failing at Dust because they were use to a hurry up and wait, point and click game.
Yes, both games are different, but the core mechanics of skill-driven game play is the same. You think that competitiveness means fairness - but that is not the idea of CCP about it - to compete does not mean it would have to be fair competition, it is not in EVE and not in Dust any fair - so you have to deal with it - EVE is PvP everywhere, as soon as you undock you are in PvP, and nothing will stop someone who wants to kill you from doing it - if fair or not - that is how it is - take it of leave it. This is by intention this way.
You are pretty much of completely incapable of not dodging, and just completely going off in another direction aren't you?
This thread is now about the harvesting of bananas and its effect on climate change.
I wish it was, it would be a lot more entertaining than just another PvP whine-fest.
Better.
But Casual PVEers are all knowing, they know whats best for the game. Even the parts they don't even play! (PVP)
(Very sarcastic comment)
It might help the PvPers get PvEers on board if they didn't constantly dismiss them as casual players. The fact is that the PvEers will be here long after the PvPers have moved on to their next big thing - which they'll soon be complaining about, just as they do as soon as they get anything they ask for here.
PVEers will never help usEdited by EsoRecon on March 16, 2016 12:55PMXbox One [ NA ]
Gamertag - Zyzz II Legacy
Stam Sorc & Stam NB PvP
(I'm Just Here To 1vX)0 -
JD2013✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: »
A lot more entertaining than just another PvP whine-fest, infested by better-knowing casual PvErs that have no idea what kind of sh't all PvP players have put up with for 2 years*This sounds eerily very similar to the game i was playing Dust 514 developed by CCP. The game had no sense of direction, nothing was being balanced and every patch always broke many things thus changing the meta every month like an endless paradox. They were working on the ps3 so i cut them some slack. Zenimax in the other hand... they're on PC with literally no restrictions holding them back and they can't get PvP working properly? are you kidding me?
Of course CCP did not balance Dust 514 - because there is nothing to balance - each faction has it's typical features and they differ from each other, you have to live with those and adapt your play style to it - that is the whole point of having factions - just like all the ships in EVE have racial advantages and disadvantages, its the same game universe as EVE, so it has the same basic racial features. If you expect CCP to change this, then you can wait for an eternity and it will not have changed - just because these racial features are by design like this and not the game has to change after your liking, but you have to learn how to fit your gear to achieve the effects you want. This is a main part of EVE and so it is as well in Dust514.
I don't think you even played Dust 514. There's plenty to balance in an FPS with a competitive PVP focus, if you don't think there is, I'm pretty certain that you rarely, if at all play games with a PVP focus.
The reason balance was terrible in Dust was not because of factions. You could use the gear of any faction, so it was more about what you choose skill into. Balance was bad to sell boosters.
I play EVE since 2008, have 7 accounts and 11 characters - I guess I know a bit about the EVE universe - and Dust is placed into it. Come and play EVE to see how it is - you can get 14-30 days free trial. This is a really good balanced game, but it is not balanced in the way, you might expect it - every ship is different and made after racial features - nevertheless they are all very well balanced, as in there is no best ship or best gear - it depends on the role what is a good ship and fitting - try it. But it has a quite steep learning curve. You wont get that in a few weeks or months - it takes years.
Just because EVE might be balanced does not mean by extension Dust 514 is, the majority of Dust's development is outsoucred. They're different games with a completely different focus. If you think they're the same you'd be shocked to know of the tidal wave or butt-hurt and QQ coming from EVE players trying and failing at Dust because they were use to a hurry up and wait, point and click game.
Yes, both games are different, but the core mechanics of skill-driven game play is the same. You think that competitiveness means fairness - but that is not the idea of CCP about it - to compete does not mean it would have to be fair competition, it is not in EVE and not in Dust any fair - so you have to deal with it - EVE is PvP everywhere, as soon as you undock you are in PvP, and nothing will stop someone who wants to kill you from doing it - if fair or not - that is how it is - take it of leave it. This is by intention this way.
You are pretty much of completely incapable of not dodging, and just completely going off in another direction aren't you?
This thread is now about the harvesting of bananas and its effect on climate change.
I wish it was, it would be a lot more entertaining than just another PvP whine-fest.
Better.
But Casual PVEers are all knowing, they know whats best for the game. Even the parts they don't even play! (PVP)
(Very sarcastic comment)
Whereas Hardcore PvPers are all knowing, they know what's best for the game. Even the parts they don't even play?
No sarcasm, genuine question
Bruh PVPers don't talk about PVE cause they DON'T CARE
Then, devils advocate here, why should PVE only people care about PVP?Sweetrolls for all!
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✭✭✭✭✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: »
A lot more entertaining than just another PvP whine-fest, infested by better-knowing casual PvErs that have no idea what kind of sh't all PvP players have put up with for 2 years*This sounds eerily very similar to the game i was playing Dust 514 developed by CCP. The game had no sense of direction, nothing was being balanced and every patch always broke many things thus changing the meta every month like an endless paradox. They were working on the ps3 so i cut them some slack. Zenimax in the other hand... they're on PC with literally no restrictions holding them back and they can't get PvP working properly? are you kidding me?
Of course CCP did not balance Dust 514 - because there is nothing to balance - each faction has it's typical features and they differ from each other, you have to live with those and adapt your play style to it - that is the whole point of having factions - just like all the ships in EVE have racial advantages and disadvantages, its the same game universe as EVE, so it has the same basic racial features. If you expect CCP to change this, then you can wait for an eternity and it will not have changed - just because these racial features are by design like this and not the game has to change after your liking, but you have to learn how to fit your gear to achieve the effects you want. This is a main part of EVE and so it is as well in Dust514.
I don't think you even played Dust 514. There's plenty to balance in an FPS with a competitive PVP focus, if you don't think there is, I'm pretty certain that you rarely, if at all play games with a PVP focus.
The reason balance was terrible in Dust was not because of factions. You could use the gear of any faction, so it was more about what you choose skill into. Balance was bad to sell boosters.
I play EVE since 2008, have 7 accounts and 11 characters - I guess I know a bit about the EVE universe - and Dust is placed into it. Come and play EVE to see how it is - you can get 14-30 days free trial. This is a really good balanced game, but it is not balanced in the way, you might expect it - every ship is different and made after racial features - nevertheless they are all very well balanced, as in there is no best ship or best gear - it depends on the role what is a good ship and fitting - try it. But it has a quite steep learning curve. You wont get that in a few weeks or months - it takes years.
Just because EVE might be balanced does not mean by extension Dust 514 is, the majority of Dust's development is outsoucred. They're different games with a completely different focus. If you think they're the same you'd be shocked to know of the tidal wave or butt-hurt and QQ coming from EVE players trying and failing at Dust because they were use to a hurry up and wait, point and click game.
Yes, both games are different, but the core mechanics of skill-driven game play is the same. You think that competitiveness means fairness - but that is not the idea of CCP about it - to compete does not mean it would have to be fair competition, it is not in EVE and not in Dust any fair - so you have to deal with it - EVE is PvP everywhere, as soon as you undock you are in PvP, and nothing will stop someone who wants to kill you from doing it - if fair or not - that is how it is - take it of leave it. This is by intention this way.
You are pretty much of completely incapable of not dodging, and just completely going off in another direction aren't you?
This thread is now about the harvesting of bananas and its effect on climate change.
I wish it was, it would be a lot more entertaining than just another PvP whine-fest.
Better.
But Casual PVEers are all knowing, they know whats best for the game. Even the parts they don't even play! (PVP)
(Very sarcastic comment)
Whereas Hardcore PvPers are all knowing, they know what's best for the game. Even the parts they don't even play?
No sarcasm, genuine question
Bruh PVPers don't talk about PVE cause they DON'T CARE
Then, devils advocate here, why should PVE only people care about PVP?
Because... erm... if we don't we're a bunch of n00b scrubs?
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EsoRecon✭✭✭✭✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: »
A lot more entertaining than just another PvP whine-fest, infested by better-knowing casual PvErs that have no idea what kind of sh't all PvP players have put up with for 2 years*This sounds eerily very similar to the game i was playing Dust 514 developed by CCP. The game had no sense of direction, nothing was being balanced and every patch always broke many things thus changing the meta every month like an endless paradox. They were working on the ps3 so i cut them some slack. Zenimax in the other hand... they're on PC with literally no restrictions holding them back and they can't get PvP working properly? are you kidding me?
Of course CCP did not balance Dust 514 - because there is nothing to balance - each faction has it's typical features and they differ from each other, you have to live with those and adapt your play style to it - that is the whole point of having factions - just like all the ships in EVE have racial advantages and disadvantages, its the same game universe as EVE, so it has the same basic racial features. If you expect CCP to change this, then you can wait for an eternity and it will not have changed - just because these racial features are by design like this and not the game has to change after your liking, but you have to learn how to fit your gear to achieve the effects you want. This is a main part of EVE and so it is as well in Dust514.
I don't think you even played Dust 514. There's plenty to balance in an FPS with a competitive PVP focus, if you don't think there is, I'm pretty certain that you rarely, if at all play games with a PVP focus.
The reason balance was terrible in Dust was not because of factions. You could use the gear of any faction, so it was more about what you choose skill into. Balance was bad to sell boosters.
I play EVE since 2008, have 7 accounts and 11 characters - I guess I know a bit about the EVE universe - and Dust is placed into it. Come and play EVE to see how it is - you can get 14-30 days free trial. This is a really good balanced game, but it is not balanced in the way, you might expect it - every ship is different and made after racial features - nevertheless they are all very well balanced, as in there is no best ship or best gear - it depends on the role what is a good ship and fitting - try it. But it has a quite steep learning curve. You wont get that in a few weeks or months - it takes years.
Just because EVE might be balanced does not mean by extension Dust 514 is, the majority of Dust's development is outsoucred. They're different games with a completely different focus. If you think they're the same you'd be shocked to know of the tidal wave or butt-hurt and QQ coming from EVE players trying and failing at Dust because they were use to a hurry up and wait, point and click game.
Yes, both games are different, but the core mechanics of skill-driven game play is the same. You think that competitiveness means fairness - but that is not the idea of CCP about it - to compete does not mean it would have to be fair competition, it is not in EVE and not in Dust any fair - so you have to deal with it - EVE is PvP everywhere, as soon as you undock you are in PvP, and nothing will stop someone who wants to kill you from doing it - if fair or not - that is how it is - take it of leave it. This is by intention this way.
You are pretty much of completely incapable of not dodging, and just completely going off in another direction aren't you?
This thread is now about the harvesting of bananas and its effect on climate change.
I wish it was, it would be a lot more entertaining than just another PvP whine-fest.
Better.
But Casual PVEers are all knowing, they know whats best for the game. Even the parts they don't even play! (PVP)
(Very sarcastic comment)
Whereas Hardcore PvPers are all knowing, they know what's best for the game. Even the parts they don't even play?
No sarcasm, genuine question
Bruh PVPers don't talk about PVE cause they DON'T CARE
Then, devils advocate here, why should PVE only people care about PVP?
EXACTLY
I mean I like PVEers (cause I love making 1vX clips) but pls if you don't care about PVP stay out of it.
Honestly though since when do you see PVPers asking PVEers to start caring about PVP? I don't.Edited by EsoRecon on March 16, 2016 1:23PMXbox One [ NA ]
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✭✭✭✭✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: »
A lot more entertaining than just another PvP whine-fest, infested by better-knowing casual PvErs that have no idea what kind of sh't all PvP players have put up with for 2 years*This sounds eerily very similar to the game i was playing Dust 514 developed by CCP. The game had no sense of direction, nothing was being balanced and every patch always broke many things thus changing the meta every month like an endless paradox. They were working on the ps3 so i cut them some slack. Zenimax in the other hand... they're on PC with literally no restrictions holding them back and they can't get PvP working properly? are you kidding me?
Of course CCP did not balance Dust 514 - because there is nothing to balance - each faction has it's typical features and they differ from each other, you have to live with those and adapt your play style to it - that is the whole point of having factions - just like all the ships in EVE have racial advantages and disadvantages, its the same game universe as EVE, so it has the same basic racial features. If you expect CCP to change this, then you can wait for an eternity and it will not have changed - just because these racial features are by design like this and not the game has to change after your liking, but you have to learn how to fit your gear to achieve the effects you want. This is a main part of EVE and so it is as well in Dust514.
I don't think you even played Dust 514. There's plenty to balance in an FPS with a competitive PVP focus, if you don't think there is, I'm pretty certain that you rarely, if at all play games with a PVP focus.
The reason balance was terrible in Dust was not because of factions. You could use the gear of any faction, so it was more about what you choose skill into. Balance was bad to sell boosters.
I play EVE since 2008, have 7 accounts and 11 characters - I guess I know a bit about the EVE universe - and Dust is placed into it. Come and play EVE to see how it is - you can get 14-30 days free trial. This is a really good balanced game, but it is not balanced in the way, you might expect it - every ship is different and made after racial features - nevertheless they are all very well balanced, as in there is no best ship or best gear - it depends on the role what is a good ship and fitting - try it. But it has a quite steep learning curve. You wont get that in a few weeks or months - it takes years.
Just because EVE might be balanced does not mean by extension Dust 514 is, the majority of Dust's development is outsoucred. They're different games with a completely different focus. If you think they're the same you'd be shocked to know of the tidal wave or butt-hurt and QQ coming from EVE players trying and failing at Dust because they were use to a hurry up and wait, point and click game.
Yes, both games are different, but the core mechanics of skill-driven game play is the same. You think that competitiveness means fairness - but that is not the idea of CCP about it - to compete does not mean it would have to be fair competition, it is not in EVE and not in Dust any fair - so you have to deal with it - EVE is PvP everywhere, as soon as you undock you are in PvP, and nothing will stop someone who wants to kill you from doing it - if fair or not - that is how it is - take it of leave it. This is by intention this way.
You are pretty much of completely incapable of not dodging, and just completely going off in another direction aren't you?
This thread is now about the harvesting of bananas and its effect on climate change.
I wish it was, it would be a lot more entertaining than just another PvP whine-fest.
Better.
But Casual PVEers are all knowing, they know whats best for the game. Even the parts they don't even play! (PVP)
(Very sarcastic comment)
Whereas Hardcore PvPers are all knowing, they know what's best for the game. Even the parts they don't even play?
No sarcasm, genuine question
Bruh PVPers don't talk about PVE cause they DON'T CARE
Then, devils advocate here, why should PVE only people care about PVP?
EXACTLY
I mean I like PVEers (cause I love making 1vX clips) but pls if you don't care about PVP stay out of it.
I like PVP'ers. I like PVP too. It needs some new stuff and objectives beyond zergs.
But the attitude of some of the PVP community here is awful.Sweetrolls for all!
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