Jaronking wrote: »

AaronLannister wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

AaronLannister wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

AaronLannister wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

AaronLannister wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

uberkull wrote: »

K

BigMac_Smiley wrote: »

Stick to your own words. Look at your own self before you began telling others how to act.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Lastly...stop wasting time quoting and replying to those in this thread that disagree with you.

Read it...take what applies...think on it and understand other players perspectives....and move on.
OR

We can continue to go back n forth but that's not getting this added..


The choice is yours as well as all others going back n forth with me

How this troll is still on the forums is beyond me. He just stirs the pot and causes arguments.

AaronLannister wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Mighty_oakk wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;

"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."

So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed

I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.

So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.

Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man

Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic

You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.

What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?

AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!

I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.


There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry

So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.

the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.

What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?

Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.

A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.

This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.

People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.

You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.

Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...

How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.

I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.

From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.

There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...

So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...

Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.

You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)

Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?

People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..

quoted from first site googled....

""CONS

No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.

Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.

As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""

GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.

Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.

I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.

Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.

Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.

LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.

I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.

What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.

I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from

Im sure text would be optional...

Define optional in context to gameplay.
If player 1 uses text chat and disables voice chat...
Player 2 disables text chat and uses voice chat...

Then we've only created another issue that adding text chat didn't solve but rather creates another issue that will require yet another added feature.

When ppl say "it will or it should be optional" that comment doesn't come off as you intend it to.

You think you're saying...if ppl want to use all, none or one or the other given them options and freedom so no one feels forced.

What you're actually saying is...give people options and freedom but I don't have a solution for the realities that such a change create.

Honestly...the console would need to support some sort of combo mouse, keyboard and controller with voice chat which brings us all back to what PC offers.


This is why I continue to suggest ppl to go back to PC
Such a change starts and snowball of other changes...it's a console game.
By design it's suppose to have limitations and force certain behaviors. That's by design

Your last statement and argument goes out the window with DCUO, FFXIV. Hell, even FFXI on PS2 in 2002 had text chat. Consoles need text chat for communication if you want it to be an MMO. Agreed PC has a lot more details and should have a lot more options. But text chat from an MMO is ridiculous, and you sir are one of those tired PC players that instead of listening to reason, ate trying to convince everyone to jump to PC, when in today's world, PC is not the future, and everyone knows it.

Actually it doesn't go out the window.
Those games do not function and work like this does.
This is the only MMORPG game on console that plays like a console game.

Those others play like a PC port and have limitations OR have the necessity of a keyboard and or mouse to pull off their functionality
This was already discussed to the point of no end in the same topic weeks ago

Wrong, it doesn't play like Console Games, Console Games has never been just about Voice Chat. Back in PS2 ONLINE games were all Keyboard.

no you are wrong completely do you even play online consoles games they all use voice chat as their primary and only form of communication reallyif you don't know what your talking about please stay out of the conversation.The last two generations have been only voice chat saved a less then a handful of games.

Absolutely not, you really should read your own comments.

Yes I play online Have been gaming since PSone era, Again Console GAMES have never just been about Voice Chat.

yes VOIP is the dominant form but not in MMORPG's for many reasons. VoIP is dominated in FPS and many other ACTION and or FPS based games, You don't need Text Chat in a competitive FPS. Although I would argue WOULD be Really nice to have, in fact most console games SHOULD.

Those less then a handful of games were all MMORPG's and they were still in there for a reason. BECAUSE It's needed.

You clearly have little clue to what you're talking about and you're telling others to stay out of the conversation LOL.

Text Chat is also NOT AN outdated form of communication like you suggest, people TEXT chat all the time and still do, it will NEVER be an out of date form of Communication.

Dude read your own post again you said console games have never been about just voice chat which is completely wrong.When the majority of consoles games only use Voice chat read you own post before commenting.

Wrong, Majority doesn't = JUST ABOUT Voice about.
Also this doesn't apply to MMORPG's.

OMg lmao dude you are cracking me up man really you just need to stop really please just stop.

sorry if facts get in the way of reason and logic.

To not derail the topic even more I will just leave you alone because your so call facts which are not facts and just opinions is adding nothing to this discussion.

and you would be completely wrong, I have stated facts constantly which you ignored not just opinions but Objective Opinions.

Again not to derail the thread I will not.continue with you even with you being wrong am.just going to leave it alone I ask you to do the same so this thread is not locked.

Jaronking wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

AaronLannister wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Yes I have no knowledge of MMO name one kn the last 10 years that I haven't played please name one your just a troll nothing you said been different at least I have my own argument you can have similar opinion but not basically repeat word for word what they said .

because naming an MMO in the last 10 years is somehow a strong argument for knowledge about MMO's?

Again if you knew at all what you was talking you would know that since text chat wasn't in the original game it's more then less likely the casuals player would use it.

Text Chat is in the original game.

Your a joke man really or just a lack of common sense it would seem.

Wow, just wow. LOL.

Would you like me to say it again for you Mr.Troll text chat wasn't in the Game at the beginning the casual gamer is much less likely to use It since they wouldn't know about it or are fine as is.Come on dude I knew thinking might make your brain hurt but you should try it .

ahahahahah okay.

It seems I knew way more about MMO then you .It's obvious you have no knowledge of MMO or player tendency at all again your a joke man.

it really wasn't the original game is the one released on June 9.It had no Text chat it was removed and I doubt they have the build anymore so they would have to redo the design the UI to add it.Which will more then likely cause more issues then fix if you look at Zos track record.

Again just a joke man when you know what you are taking about please comeback to the forums but as it is now your a joke.

You think they have just deleted the chat box UI? I highly doubt that.
They had the basics of it before for testing early on, So it wouldn't be too hard to adapt and re add in game.

People are way too against this for no reason. VOIP has its own issues too. As people who have already stated some already dont use it for the most part due to its awkwardness and random shouting etc. So why not give other people a different outlet.

Would be awesome to just \LFG (wherever) 1m tank. would fix so many things!
or WTS ..... or WTB ....

You can honestly say that wouldn't be good!?

You would be wrong They even said they had no plan to add.it.in the future so more then likely they no longer have that build.Actual it wouldn't if it wasn't for how the hi is now and if they add it it more then likely would cost several more problems.

Again I never said I was against options I said it won't be used so I see not point in them wasting their time adding it.Text chat is useful yes I never said it wasn't but to people claim that they can't do anything with voice is a flat out lie you choice not to use it and a lot of players still use it fine with no problem.As it is now I like text chat I use it when I play swtor or any other MMO m but I also like Voice chat.You all are acting like Text chat is perfect when in reality it's not.Also.If a person doesn't want to talk that doesn't mean he Wil talk using text chat or that maybe if you talked in group chat they might want to as well.I have no problem with given players a different outlook but as it is now I don't think a text box is the answer.

It would also be awesome if they just fixed the group finder.Not.really am not a tank so it wouldn't work for me lol.Also I can find whatever I need usually in a guild store and my main guild guilds bank since we just share everything with each other.Since some players aren't so lucky at finding good guilds it good for them.

One last thing I have to ask a few pages back someone posted that he had friends and guild mates who wants to pay with him but he will not login because their on.I have to ask how does text chat fix that for you.It seems you will always have that problem.

mrskinskull wrote: »

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

https://www.eso-lfg.com/en/

This is the one he's talking about. So stupid. Just add text chat. Anyway, a good workaround for consoles who want an endgame instead of leaving altogether.

OK so we know the theory works now all we need is an official app made with zos blessing and a bit of advertising to drive people there, and yeah I think we can get a second screen text chat experience for everyone-

If zos makes an app with even a few additional features, such as map, sky shards, quick wiki link, quick forum link, inventory management etc, even people who wouldn't normally use text chat may pop into the feed while they are checking their map.

I think traffic would be a lot higher on an official zos app.

BigMac_Smiley wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;

"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."

So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed

I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.

So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.

Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man

Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic

You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.

What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?

AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!

I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.


There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry

So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.

the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.

What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?

Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.

A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.

This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.

People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.

You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.

Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...

How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.

I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.

From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.

There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...

So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...

Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.

You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)

Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?

People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..

quoted from first site googled....

""CONS

No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.

Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.

As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""

GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.

Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.

I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.

Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.

Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.

LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.

I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.

What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.

I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from

Now I believe you said you played on PC, so you know that ZOS stamped out spammers on PC. There may be some that show up, but I have always seen them disperser very quickly. As far as you not wanting to deal with people spamming guild, WTS, and WTB I can understand but you would not have to keep a zone channel up. Many people with Voice don't like to stay in area chat for many of the same reason you say affect text chat; however just like voice you can create a text tab that will only show guild, group, say, ect. You can change what you want to read, or turn it off completely. The current form of communication limits us to a small group of people and text chat can help increase the amount of people we could possible work with or get to know.

Lleksu wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

https://www.eso-lfg.com/en/

This is the one he's talking about. So stupid. Just add text chat. Anyway, a good workaround for consoles who want an endgame instead of leaving altogether.

OK so we know the theory works now all we need is an official app made with zos blessing and a bit of advertising to drive people there, and yeah I think we can get a second screen text chat experience for everyone-

If zos makes an app with even a few additional features, such as map, sky shards, quick wiki link, quick forum link, inventory management etc, even people who wouldn't normally use text chat may pop into the feed while they are checking their map.

I think traffic would be a lot higher on an official zos app.

I love the idea of this app and would certainly use one if it existed.

But...


I just can't see ZOS putting up money for this. Plus how long would it take for them to get it together if they did?

It just seems so much quicker, easier and cost efficient to simply re-introduce a text chat box and allow it's visibility to be hidden via the options.

Lleksu wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

https://www.eso-lfg.com/en/

This is the one he's talking about. So stupid. Just add text chat. Anyway, a good workaround for consoles who want an endgame instead of leaving altogether.

OK so we know the theory works now all we need is an official app made with zos blessing and a bit of advertising to drive people there, and yeah I think we can get a second screen text chat experience for everyone-

If zos makes an app with even a few additional features, such as map, sky shards, quick wiki link, quick forum link, inventory management etc, even people who wouldn't normally use text chat may pop into the feed while they are checking their map.

I think traffic would be a lot higher on an official zos app.

I love the idea of this app and would certainly use one if it existed.

But...


I just can't see ZOS putting up money for this. Plus how long would it take for them to get it together if they did?

It just seems so much quicker, easier and cost efficient to simply re-introduce a text chat box and allow it's visibility to be hidden via the options.

mrskinskull wrote: »

Lleksu wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

https://www.eso-lfg.com/en/

This is the one he's talking about. So stupid. Just add text chat. Anyway, a good workaround for consoles who want an endgame instead of leaving altogether.

OK so we know the theory works now all we need is an official app made with zos blessing and a bit of advertising to drive people there, and yeah I think we can get a second screen text chat experience for everyone-

If zos makes an app with even a few additional features, such as map, sky shards, quick wiki link, quick forum link, inventory management etc, even people who wouldn't normally use text chat may pop into the feed while they are checking their map.

I think traffic would be a lot higher on an official zos app.

I love the idea of this app and would certainly use one if it existed.

But...


I just can't see ZOS putting up money for this. Plus how long would it take for them to get it together if they did?

It just seems so much quicker, easier and cost efficient to simply re-introduce a text chat box and allow it's visibility to be hidden via the options.

Uhm I'm pretty sure the actual app could be written over a weekend, IF it isn't already made.

I have a strong suspicion that leaving text chat off the screen intentionally. Points to the app as their intended solution.

Its perfect and obvious and I'm pretty sure zos wouldn't walk into the. No text backlash without a really cool card to play.

mrskinskull wrote: »

Lleksu wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

https://www.eso-lfg.com/en/

This is the one he's talking about. So stupid. Just add text chat. Anyway, a good workaround for consoles who want an endgame instead of leaving altogether.

OK so we know the theory works now all we need is an official app made with zos blessing and a bit of advertising to drive people there, and yeah I think we can get a second screen text chat experience for everyone-

If zos makes an app with even a few additional features, such as map, sky shards, quick wiki link, quick forum link, inventory management etc, even people who wouldn't normally use text chat may pop into the feed while they are checking their map.

I think traffic would be a lot higher on an official zos app.

I love the idea of this app and would certainly use one if it existed.

But...


I just can't see ZOS putting up money for this. Plus how long would it take for them to get it together if they did?

It just seems so much quicker, easier and cost efficient to simply re-introduce a text chat box and allow it's visibility to be hidden via the options.

Uhm I'm pretty sure the actual app could be written over a weekend, IF it isn't already made.

I have a strong suspicion that leaving text chat off the screen intentionally. Points to the app as their intended solution.

Its perfect and obvious and I'm pretty sure zos wouldn't walk into the. No text backlash without a really cool card to play.

mrskinskull wrote: »

Lleksu wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

Lleksu wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

https://www.eso-lfg.com/en/

This is the one he's talking about. So stupid. Just add text chat. Anyway, a good workaround for consoles who want an endgame instead of leaving altogether.

OK so we know the theory works now all we need is an official app made with zos blessing and a bit of advertising to drive people there, and yeah I think we can get a second screen text chat experience for everyone-

If zos makes an app with even a few additional features, such as map, sky shards, quick wiki link, quick forum link, inventory management etc, even people who wouldn't normally use text chat may pop into the feed while they are checking their map.

I think traffic would be a lot higher on an official zos app.

I love the idea of this app and would certainly use one if it existed.

But...


I just can't see ZOS putting up money for this. Plus how long would it take for them to get it together if they did?

It just seems so much quicker, easier and cost efficient to simply re-introduce a text chat box and allow it's visibility to be hidden via the options.

Uhm I'm pretty sure the actual app could be written over a weekend, IF it isn't already made.

I have a strong suspicion that leaving text chat off the screen intentionally. Points to the app as their intended solution.

Its perfect and obvious and I'm pretty sure zos wouldn't walk into the. No text backlash without a really cool card to play.

Hahaha. Oh, I know that it COULD be put together over a weekend, but how long do you reckon it would take ZOS?

One weekend.

Saturday Aug 2015
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Sunday Aug 2312

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NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;

"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."

So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed

I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.

So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.

Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man

Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic

You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.

What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?

AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!

I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.


There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry

So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.

the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.

What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?

Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.

A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.

This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.

People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.

You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.

Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...

How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.

I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.

From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.

There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...

So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...

Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.

You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)

Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?

People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..

quoted from first site googled....

""CONS

No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.

Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.

As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""

GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.

Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.

I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.

Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.

Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.

LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.

I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.

What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.

I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from

Now I believe you said you played on PC, so you know that ZOS stamped out spammers on PC. There may be some that show up, but I have always seen them disperser very quickly. As far as you not wanting to deal with people spamming guild, WTS, and WTB I can understand but you would not have to keep a zone channel up. Many people with Voice don't like to stay in area chat for many of the same reason you say affect text chat; however just like voice you can create a text tab that will only show guild, group, say, ect. You can change what you want to read, or turn it off completely. The current form of communication limits us to a small group of people and text chat can help increase the amount of people we could possible work with or get to know.

Without text chat on PC, zos would have never had to devote time and resources to tracking down offenders. I want all time and energy devoted to the new stuff.

You said it yourself, text chat ENABLED gold spammers and text trolls on PC. Eventually zos stamped them out
. The whole time you the forums are on fire with 'I quit' threads as zos deftly but not quickly dealt with the prob.

Meanwhile the time between dlc or patches is dragging on.

I'm not saying no to text, just please can we use an app and not hold up and annoyn the whole gaming community with its birthing pains.


You see, I don't think this is even an anti chat argument, many of us just want it to come in on an app.

Lol, I can see it coming, Be happily crafting away and then suddenly across the mic... 10000 gold 10 dollar! over and over again. It will turn into people being chased by these individuals whilst they shout this.. HAHA.

But alas this wouldn't happen because ZoS already stamped out gold sellers and spam on PC so it would work on Console. Also their consoles would most likely get banned.
So your argument is invalid..