Console text chat discussion

bareheiny · July 2015

Shunravi wrote: »

internet needs sarcasm font

Isn't that what Comic Sans is for?

Junglejim82 · July 2015

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

This is my first post in this thread...from page 8.
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Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

OPTIONAL Text Chat Please.

This is "skins" first post in this thread...from page 19.
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mrskinskull wrote: »

I haven't come across a single person within gameplay saying they hate voice chat. Ps4. 25 hrs played. The op is just wrong.
Oh god. Please zos don't make us have to play with the controller in one hand and A keyboard in the other. Pleasssssse. No text chat.

I know its ironic that I'm typing this. If zos forums had voice chat I wouldn't have to hen peck out that joke.

I took the liberty of enlarging the rather hypocritical part of that post.

Now, here we all are on page 87.
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mrskinskull wrote: »

The us and them feeling is imposed because of our form of communication.

It feels like people are arguing with you or me but its just the lack of facial cues and vocal stresses.

I actually don't think there's anyone in this thread against text chat.

I think its implementation is the source of contention.

I would love to see an app fill the text need and include some useful functions. Maybe some from various addons.

I personally don't want to use a keyboard or a mini keyboard or have to toggle a text box off each and every time I log in a LA voice chat style.

Many people aren't considering that text chat would be added from their imagination into the game without any hiccuos because glitches and bugs never happen in even the most desired of features.

Nope you actually have no opposition here just a debate as to how it can happen.

Again, I took the liberty of enlarging the rather hypocritical parts of his post.

He's "not against text chat"...even though he is against text chat.

He begs not to have to use a controller in one hand and a texting device in the other...even though he is fine if that texting device just happens to be a cellphone.

Let's face it, this dude just keeps changing tactics so people won't call him...um...what are those things that live under bridges?
I can't remember for the life of me.

Back in my day we called this getting beasted, I believe the popular term these days is get rekt ?

Ace_of_Destiny · July 2015

Junglejim82 wrote: »

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Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

This is my first post in this thread...from page 8.

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

OPTIONAL Text Chat Please.

This is "skins" first post in this thread...from page 19.

mrskinskull wrote: »

I haven't come across a single person within gameplay saying they hate voice chat. Ps4. 25 hrs played. The op is just wrong.
Oh god. Please zos don't make us have to play with the controller in one hand and A keyboard in the other. Pleasssssse. No text chat.

I know its ironic that I'm typing this. If zos forums had voice chat I wouldn't have to hen peck out that joke.

I took the liberty of enlarging the rather hypocritical part of that post.

Now, here we all are on page 87.

mrskinskull wrote: »

The us and them feeling is imposed because of our form of communication.

It feels like people are arguing with you or me but its just the lack of facial cues and vocal stresses.

I actually don't think there's anyone in this thread against text chat.

I think its implementation is the source of contention.

I would love to see an app fill the text need and include some useful functions. Maybe some from various addons.

I personally don't want to use a keyboard or a mini keyboard or have to toggle a text box off each and every time I log in a LA voice chat style.

Many people aren't considering that text chat would be added from their imagination into the game without any hiccuos because glitches and bugs never happen in even the most desired of features.

Nope you actually have no opposition here just a debate as to how it can happen.

Again, I took the liberty of enlarging the rather hypocritical parts of his post.

He's "not against text chat"...even though he is against text chat.

He begs not to have to use a controller in one hand and a texting device in the other...even though he is fine if that texting device just happens to be a cellphone.

Let's face it, this dude just keeps changing tactics so people won't call him...um...what are those things that live under bridges?
I can't remember for the life of me.

Back in my day we called this getting beasted, I believe the popular term these days is get rekt ?

I would *bow*, but my back hurts.

Mind if I *curtsy*?

Dahkoht · July 2015

Junglejim82 wrote: »

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Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

This is my first post in this thread...from page 8.

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

OPTIONAL Text Chat Please.

This is "skins" first post in this thread...from page 19.

mrskinskull wrote: »

I haven't come across a single person within gameplay saying they hate voice chat. Ps4. 25 hrs played. The op is just wrong.
Oh god. Please zos don't make us have to play with the controller in one hand and A keyboard in the other. Pleasssssse. No text chat.

I know its ironic that I'm typing this. If zos forums had voice chat I wouldn't have to hen peck out that joke.

I took the liberty of enlarging the rather hypocritical part of that post.

Now, here we all are on page 87.

mrskinskull wrote: »

The us and them feeling is imposed because of our form of communication.

It feels like people are arguing with you or me but its just the lack of facial cues and vocal stresses.

I actually don't think there's anyone in this thread against text chat.

I think its implementation is the source of contention.

I would love to see an app fill the text need and include some useful functions. Maybe some from various addons.

I personally don't want to use a keyboard or a mini keyboard or have to toggle a text box off each and every time I log in a LA voice chat style.

Many people aren't considering that text chat would be added from their imagination into the game without any hiccuos because glitches and bugs never happen in even the most desired of features.

Nope you actually have no opposition here just a debate as to how it can happen.

Again, I took the liberty of enlarging the rather hypocritical parts of his post.

He's "not against text chat"...even though he is against text chat.

He begs not to have to use a controller in one hand and a texting device in the other...even though he is fine if that texting device just happens to be a cellphone.

Let's face it, this dude just keeps changing tactics so people won't call him...um...what are those things that live under bridges?
I can't remember for the life of me.

Back in my day we called this getting beasted, I believe the popular term these days is get rekt ?

I saw this earlier , excellent point by point thrashing of the Skin Troll. He and the other "speakers" for the majority have argued so many illogical points against themselves it's comical.

AaronLannister · July 2015

senhavran wrote: »

Not to mention that ZOS said (17 june on reddit) IF they add a "more text centric way to chat" it will not be a straight chat window, so don't waste time arguing about a text box, they might come up with something else anyway.

which was nothing but excuses really. ZoS is just showing there incompetence as devs

zardenurghanb14_ESO · July 2015

So reading this thread and seeing the "don't add text chat" things just makes me say "why?". Don't get me wrong proximity VOIP is ok but you need to remember this isn't just a multiplayer game its an MMORPG as in no single player campaign. Yes I understand other console games use VOIP but most of those games are FPS. With that being said the reasons the devs gave as to why text chat wasn't included is imo ridiculous. Yes it can be hard to type with the console on screen keyboard when using a controller, but both the XBone and PS4 are able to use a usb keyboard $14 bucks at Walmart nothing fancy but they work. The Chat Window will take up too much room THIS is what gets me. As a current player of Final Fantasy XIV on PS4 which is an MMO that has no voice chat it has a chat window one that isn't even intrusive in fact the difference between the PC version of the game and the PS4 version when it comes to that feature is...well none no difference it takes up the same amount of space on my tv as it would on my laptop monitor. These issues aside there are alot of other issues as a result to not include text chat into a game that is an mmo. The issues are well...guild recruitment, dungeon party recruitment, item sales, help offers, world event notifications and other issues. Force Strategy Gaming sums up the issues in the video pretty nicely. Sure you could go to a site on a comp to build a party for a dungeon, but if you're going to do that why not just play the pc version? Since you would have to go onto an internet site anyway.

TL;DR: Yes text chat is needed for an MMO, yes I'd like to see it on console it would make everything alot easier to do and it would make the console version not feel as empty as it does.

NewBlacksmurf · July 2015

DeanWinchester88 wrote: »

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DeanWinchester88 wrote: »

Do these anti text chat people not understand what "options" mean? If you don't want your screen cluttered with texts, disable the damn thing. Continue using voice chat and let the people who want text chat to enable it for themselves. Go listen to "Imagine" by John Lennon, relax, and play your game how you want. Equality for all, everybody deserves to be happy.

Selfish people these days.

This is kinda funny....equality for all doesn't fit into what you just wrote.

If a player is happy with their screen how does adding more to the screen fall into equality if they don't want it in the first place? (Lets assume if it comes there is an option to full remove this...but ZOS has a habit of not fully offering options as you use as ammunition to warrant adding text chat)

and...definition of Selfish:
(of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.

umm, didn't I just say it would be an option? Didn't I just say you can disable it?
We're not worried about ZOS's habits, from the beginning of this thread, people who asked for text chat have asked for the "option". Never has anybody said this should be something forced upon the whole community like you make it out to be.

And thank you for giving us the definition of selfish, because that sounds exactly like you.

Do you not realize that you're trying to suggest an environment where you believe that adding text chat with an option to disable or minimize it isn't what everyone wants. It's what you want.

Creating another form of cummunication changes the game for everyone whether it's optional or not.

Then you're attempting to couple the term equality as well. Equality doesn't fit in context.
You (and anyone who may also like the option) is fine to have that opinion or preference but understand it's not equality nor does it make everybody happy. To believ that your idea and opinion creates equality and happiness for all is selfish in nature.

I believe what you're trying to suggest is that your idea will make you and a few happy. Don't also assume that your happiness and an added option not to see your option is in any way equality and not actually selfish.

Odly you seem to feel as well as some others that my objections to your opinions are selfish.
It's selfish to push your desires onto others when there is an existing opportunity for you that does not affect others who may not be interested or open to your suggestions or opinions.

Very interesting mindset that you have here...
Equality....does not mean everyone gets their way...that's chaos

Korah_Eaglecry · July 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

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DeanWinchester88 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

DeanWinchester88 wrote: »

Do these anti text chat people not understand what "options" mean? If you don't want your screen cluttered with texts, disable the damn thing. Continue using voice chat and let the people who want text chat to enable it for themselves. Go listen to "Imagine" by John Lennon, relax, and play your game how you want. Equality for all, everybody deserves to be happy.

Selfish people these days.

This is kinda funny....equality for all doesn't fit into what you just wrote.

If a player is happy with their screen how does adding more to the screen fall into equality if they don't want it in the first place? (Lets assume if it comes there is an option to full remove this...but ZOS has a habit of not fully offering options as you use as ammunition to warrant adding text chat)

and...definition of Selfish:
(of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.

umm, didn't I just say it would be an option? Didn't I just say you can disable it?
We're not worried about ZOS's habits, from the beginning of this thread, people who asked for text chat have asked for the "option". Never has anybody said this should be something forced upon the whole community like you make it out to be.

And thank you for giving us the definition of selfish, because that sounds exactly like you.

Do you not realize that you're trying to suggest an environment where you believe that adding text chat with an option to disable or minimize it isn't what everyone wants. It's what you want.

Do you not realize that the majority that have posted in this thread have supported text chat? And by arguing with everyone youve done nothing for yourself or your cause? In fact you've only helped keep this thread and its contents on page one for ZOS and the forum goers to see day in and day out.

Creating another form of cummunication changes the game for everyone whether it's optional or not.

You mean return a form of communication to the game. As PC has text chat. Im pretty sure optional means just that, optional. It doesnt change a thing for those still seeking to utilize the VOIP if they please. I dont see you arguing against the opt out ZOS plans for Area VOIP all together which has a more far reaching effect to your precious VOIP now.

Then you're attempting to couple the term equality as well. Equality doesn't fit in context.
You (and anyone who may also like the option) is fine to have that opinion or preference but understand it's not equality nor does it make everybody happy. To believ that your idea and opinion creates equality and happiness for all is selfish in nature.

In what way is it not equality? Those who have legitimate issues like social anxieties, or hearing impairment to those who just down right have the inability to speak will have a form of communication with the community that they are currently unable to participate in through VOIP. That is by definition equality.

Heres a definition of equality for you. Read it, learn it. Accept it.

e·qual·i·ty
əˈkwälədē/
noun
the state of being equal, especially in status, rights, and opportunities.

I bolded that very important word at the end there for you. Because thats where this word equality comes in to this whole argument and completely shuts down ANY and all of your arguments.

I believe what you're trying to suggest is that your idea will make you and a few happy. Don't also assume that your happiness and an added option not to see your option is in any way equality and not actually selfish.

I believe you need to stop trying to speak for others. You only speak for yourself. If others are unhappy with the argument of introducing Text Chat. They can come in here and text it themselves.

Odly you seem to feel as well as some others that my objections to your opinions are selfish.
It's selfish to push your desires onto others when there is an existing opportunity for you that does not affect others who may not be interested or open to your suggestions or opinions.

I think its hilarious that you would call those asking for an opitonal addition to the game for the sake of not just adding another means of organizing and selling in game but to give players with social anxieties, deafness, and being mute a means of reaching out to the community selfish. And then to turn around and claim that your argument, which only benefits you, not a selfish act.

Very interesting mindset that you have here...
Equality....does not mean everyone gets their way...that's chaos

No equality means everyone is treated fairly and again, Ill point you in the direction of that definition up there. Equal in status, equal in rights as a player, and equal in opportunities.

Dahkoht · July 2015

He thinks he's some helpful know it all who's opinion matters more than you or I.

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Korah_Eaglecry · July 2015

Dahkoht wrote: »

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He thinks he's some helpful know it all who's opinion matters more than you or I.

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Unfortunately Sophism is not apart of the TOS. Otherwise these guys would have been banned awhile ago.

Dahkoht · July 2015

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

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Dahkoht wrote: »

NBS thinks he speaks for the console community even though many console players have told him otherwise.

He thinks he's some helpful know it all who's opinion matters more than you or I.

And apparently we hurt poor MrSkins feelings by calling out how he has contradicted himself repeatedly - he called the hall monitors to warn me not to hurt his poor wee little feelings anymore or I'd get a timeout.

Oh noes whatever would I do.

Amazing the amount of time they can spend hall monitoring the forums behind the scenes but not actually communicating on actual issues.

Unfortunately Sophism is not apart of the TOS. Otherwise these guys would have been banned awhile ago.

100% agree.

AaronLannister · July 2015

Very interesting mindset that you have here...
Equality....does not mean everyone gets their way...that's chaos

Completely misrepresented what he said.

DeanWinchester88 · July 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

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DeanWinchester88 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

DeanWinchester88 wrote: »

Do these anti text chat people not understand what "options" mean? If you don't want your screen cluttered with texts, disable the damn thing. Continue using voice chat and let the people who want text chat to enable it for themselves. Go listen to "Imagine" by John Lennon, relax, and play your game how you want. Equality for all, everybody deserves to be happy.

Selfish people these days.

This is kinda funny....equality for all doesn't fit into what you just wrote.

If a player is happy with their screen how does adding more to the screen fall into equality if they don't want it in the first place? (Lets assume if it comes there is an option to full remove this...but ZOS has a habit of not fully offering options as you use as ammunition to warrant adding text chat)

and...definition of Selfish:
(of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.

umm, didn't I just say it would be an option? Didn't I just say you can disable it?
We're not worried about ZOS's habits, from the beginning of this thread, people who asked for text chat have asked for the "option". Never has anybody said this should be something forced upon the whole community like you make it out to be.

And thank you for giving us the definition of selfish, because that sounds exactly like you.

Do you not realize that you're trying to suggest an environment where you believe that adding text chat with an option to disable or minimize it isn't what everyone wants. It's what you want.

Creating another form of cummunication changes the game for everyone whether it's optional or not.

Then you're attempting to couple the term equality as well. Equality doesn't fit in context.
You (and anyone who may also like the option) is fine to have that opinion or preference but understand it's not equality nor does it make everybody happy. To believ that your idea and opinion creates equality and happiness for all is selfish in nature.

I believe what you're trying to suggest is that your idea will make you and a few happy. Don't also assume that your happiness and an added option not to see your option is in any way equality and not actually selfish.

Odly you seem to feel as well as some others that my objections to your opinions are selfish.
It's selfish to push your desires onto others when there is an existing opportunity for you that does not affect others who may not be interested or open to your suggestions or opinions.

Very interesting mindset that you have here...
Equality....does not mean everyone gets their way...that's chaos

I don't know how to respond to someone that argues back with the most nonsensical things. You wrote all that crap and I don't know what the hell you're talking about. I'm selfish because I want an option, but somehow, you're not selfish for wanting to force people to use something they don't like? That's not selfish to you? Equality equals chaos?? LOL wtf are you talking about?

Maybe in spanish you will understand me:

Queremos chatear por texto como una opcion, no nos gusta usar el microfono, y nos gustaria que uviera una opcion de usar texto sin obligar a los que no lo quieran usar.

Gracias.

VoidBlue · July 2015

Text chat it gets things done!

Text chat for when you want information to linger!

Text chat does the MMO good!

Bleakraven · July 2015

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Bacon wrote: »

I can't says I've read all 2600+ replies to this post

I am almost ashamed to say it, but I have.

You're not the only one. Don't be ashamed, this is a big issue and we need to make our concerns clear to them. Enough of being the "silent majority" on things like this.

Drake_Fury · July 2015

Incredible! 15 pages in a single weekend!

OK, @NewBlacksmurf , Please tell me your definition of a guild.

To me, from past mmo eperience, a guild is everything that is important in an mmo.

In this mmo, you can have up to 5 guilds, mines are like this:

1: Main guild, rather small french guild, 80 people or so.
2: French guild, social guild regrouping all the french players we can get. About 415 people.
3: Trade guild
4: Another trade guild. (yeah, I need to have 2 because with that cluncky selling system that only rewards the richest guilds, none of my guilds can afford to have a trader every week.
5: Open, probbly for an endgame guild eventually or a better trade guild.

So basically, I spend all my time in guild #1. I do all my group play with people from guild #1 because if I don't, I have to leave the channel. If I leave the channel, I may miss events or important announcements. That may annoy other people in the guild, because not everyone wants to hear what's going on in your dungeon, but hey, the game doesn't leave me any choice, we can only be in 1 channel at a time.

In my main guild, the one for which I craft gear for free, help others, get help for myself, chat with friends and create bonds, there is generally 20-25 people online most of the time, but for some reason, there is always only 5-6 max on the guild channel. How is this supposed to be OK? How can not being able to communicate with more than 20% of the current connected guildmates a good thing?

Give me just a way to solve this with the current voice chat system, just one.

You (was it you? i'm not sure) made an analogy saying we wanted to go back to payphones while we have cellphones, but your analogy goes completely backwards:

Payphone: talk only

Cellphones: talk, text, use better tools to organise events (facebook and such)...

About ESRB: If something can be said via text, it can be said via microphone, and so it cannot change the ESRB (which, if i'm right, is aleready M-rated anyways.)

Laranoye · July 2015

Drake_Fury wrote: »

Incredible! 15 pages in a single weekend!

OK, @NewBlacksmurf , Please tell me your definition of a guild.

To me, from past mmo eperience, a guild is everything that is important in an mmo.

In this mmo, you can have up to 5 guilds, mines are like this:

1: Main guild, rather small french guild, 80 people or so.
2: French guild, social guild regrouping all the french players we can get. About 415 people.
3: Trade guild
4: Another trade guild. (yeah, I need to have 2 because with that cluncky selling system that only rewards the richest guilds, none of my guilds can afford to have a trader every week.
5: Open, probbly for an endgame guild eventually or a better trade guild.

So basically, I spend all my time in guild #1. I do all my group play with people from guild #1 because if I don't, I have to leave the channel. If I leave the channel, I may miss events or important announcements. That may annoy other people in the guild, because not everyone wants to hear what's going on in your dungeon, but hey, the game doesn't leave me any choice, we can only be in 1 channel at a time.

In my main guild, the one for which I craft gear for free, help others, get help for myself, chat with friends and create bonds, there is generally 20-25 people online most of the time, but for some reason, there is always only 5-6 max on the guild channel. How is this supposed to be OK? How can not being able to communicate with more than 20% of the current connected guildmates a good thing?

Give me just a way to solve this with the current voice chat system, just one.

You (was it you? i'm not sure) made an analogy saying we wanted to go back to payphones while we have cellphones, but your analogy goes completely backwards:

Payphone: talk only

Cellphones: talk, text, use better tools to organise events (facebook and such)...

About ESRB: If something can be said via text, it can be said via microphone, and so it cannot change the ESRB (which, if i'm right, is aleready M-rated anyways.)

This ^^. If anyone argues with this logic they are just trolling...

Nergie4242 · July 2015

Just dropped by to see the state of this. Still no response from ZOS? Lol.

Its just pathetic.

Ah well back to FF someone yell when they get off their ivory tower and fix this or at least comment on it.

Zanefold · July 2015

Why have we still not heard from anyone at zos? I wouldn't be surprised if they are trying to or working on adding it into the system so why can't they just poke there head in and say something... anything! Again... I like how this is the largest forum they have and there is still NO RESPONSE! Our money is just as good as the pc counterpart :-(

Zanefold · July 2015

Hey guys, if you get a moment try to make sure to post your question about a future text chat feature for console to this forum page. This page is for asking them questions for the next eso live. so the more it pops up hopefully the more likely they will talk about it!

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/142023/eso-live-ask-us-anything/p78

Strontium-Dog · July 2015

would rather they fix audio in cyrodiil than stick a chat system in to further ramp up over heads. Sure its handy but games like Destiny survive fine without and have adapted. Use a chat app advertise it or forums etc. Guilds are where its at and theres no real need there to stop and type ala everquest 1999

AaronLannister · July 2015

Strontium-Dog wrote: »

would rather they fix audio in cyrodiil than stick a chat system in to further ramp up over heads. Sure its handy but games like Destiny survive fine without and have adapted. Use a chat app advertise it or forums etc. Guilds are where its at and theres no real need there to stop and type ala everquest 1999

Destiny fine? LOL yeah because going online on a web browser and LFG is a good system. They were forced to adapt with a crap system and it should NOT be that way.

Text Chat should be it's first priority, it's an MMO.

Laranoye · July 2015

Strontium-Dog wrote: »

would rather they fix audio in cyrodiil than stick a chat system in to further ramp up over heads. Sure its handy but games like Destiny survive fine without and have adapted. Use a chat app advertise it or forums etc. Guilds are where its at and theres no real need there to stop and type ala everquest 1999

Haha, your logic just proves that destiny is/was not fine with it... Why are people so blind.. Clearly if they had to adapt to something like that something is wrong? no?

And also, Destiny is a completely different type of game... why are people comparing this?

Its like saying CoD is fine without chat, and that works.... /facepalm

Different types of games....

AaronLannister · July 2015

Laranoye wrote: »

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Strontium-Dog wrote: »

would rather they fix audio in cyrodiil than stick a chat system in to further ramp up over heads. Sure its handy but games like Destiny survive fine without and have adapted. Use a chat app advertise it or forums etc. Guilds are where its at and theres no real need there to stop and type ala everquest 1999

Haha, your logic just proves that destiny is/was not fine with it... Why are people so blind.. Clearly if they had to adapt to something like that something is wrong? no?

And also, Destiny is a completely different type of game... why are people comparing this?

Its like saying CoD is fine without chat, and that works.... /facepalm

Different types of games....

Destiny is a Pseudo MMO, I call it an MMO-light. They have Raids, Weekly's and things similar to MMO's, they have a hub world (which sucks) that lets you interact (very poorly) with other people and talk to NPC's. up to 17 or 16 people per hub wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

There was no LFG system for weekly Raids so people are still suck going out of the game (which was one of the biggest criticisms with the lore and story extras) and going into a web browser and look for a group. Which should of NEVER been the case, there are much easier ways to deal with this, Text Chat, have a list of LFG people to choose from etc... but among many other BS, I'm still so amazed how easily people back Bungies bad design decisions probably cause of all those Halo fanboys.

People have SOLVED these LFG systems years ago FFXI had an easy and simple LFG system, it's amazing how developers still mess this up.

Laranoye · July 2015

AaronLannister wrote: »

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Laranoye wrote: »

Strontium-Dog wrote: »

would rather they fix audio in cyrodiil than stick a chat system in to further ramp up over heads. Sure its handy but games like Destiny survive fine without and have adapted. Use a chat app advertise it or forums etc. Guilds are where its at and theres no real need there to stop and type ala everquest 1999

Haha, your logic just proves that destiny is/was not fine with it... Why are people so blind.. Clearly if they had to adapt to something like that something is wrong? no?

And also, Destiny is a completely different type of game... why are people comparing this?

Its like saying CoD is fine without chat, and that works.... /facepalm

Different types of games....

Destiny is a Pseudo MMO, I call it an MMO-light. They have Raids, Weekly's and things similar to MMO's, they have a hub world (which sucks) that lets you interact (very poorly) with other people and talk to NPC's. up to 17 or 16 people per hub wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

There was no LFG system for weekly Raids so people are still suck going out of the game (which was one of the biggest criticisms with the lore and story extras) and going into a web browser and look for a group. Which should of NEVER been the case, there are much easier ways to deal with this, Text Chat, have a list of LFG people to choose from etc... but among many other BS, I'm still so amazed how easily people back Bungies bad design decisions probably cause of all those Halo fanboys.

People have SOLVED these LFG systems years ago FFXI had an easy and simple LFG system, it's amazing how developers still mess this up.

I agree, They should learn from Bungies mistake. Destiny flopped big time when more and more people got to "end game".. I stopped playing it because of the poorly designed grouping system, Me and my mate could only do up to the places that could be 2 manned...
It will happen on this for console too.

I like this game, I don't want it to flop

Strontium-Dog · July 2015

Wowowow lol. It matters NOT what type of game it is but the platform. Communicating with others doesnt change depending on game type. SO yes comparing the fact that in Destiny we learned to use 4,yes FOUR, emotes to communicate means that in ESO it is easy as pie to communicate.

We have voice channels, masses of emotes, guild channels , ingame mail, etc. While it might seem like text chat is needed its more of a want than a need.

Id like it sure, enter cryodiil, in chat , lfg, etc and off we go. But im in guilds, have *friends* and rarely spend that long finding where the fight is.

Text chat wont stop the kids playing rap or idiots eating doritos with open mic. Id rather have a mute option than chat channels right now.

And ESO wont flop because we want text chat. There are far more worrying issues like cold harbour siege stuff and the terribly broken audio ( im talking console not pc) Id STILL rather have fixes before text chat.

Zanefold · July 2015

Strontium-Dog wrote: »

Wowowow lol. It matters NOT what type of game it is but the platform. Communicating with others doesnt change depending on game type. SO yes comparing the fact that in Destiny we learned to use 4,yes FOUR, emotes to communicate means that in ESO it is easy as pie to communicate.

We have voice channels, masses of emotes, guild channels , ingame mail, etc. While it might seem like text chat is needed its more of a want than a need.

Id like it sure, enter cryodiil, in chat , lfg, etc and off we go. But im in guilds, have *friends* and rarely spend that long finding where the fight is.

Text chat wont stop the kids playing rap or idiots eating doritos with open mic. Id rather have a mute option than chat channels right now.

And ESO wont flop because we want text chat. There are far more worrying issues like cold harbour siege stuff and the terribly broken audio ( im talking console not pc) Id STILL rather have fixes before text chat.

Tell ya what, if you can tell us how to have a deaf or hard of hearing individual to communicate with others effectively without text chat then you MIGHT have a good point, also I don't care if text chat wont stop the kids playing rap or idiots eating doritos with open mic. However it will be nice to have the text chat so I can choose to leave voice chat and can still communicate and the child can still eat his Doritos and have rap playing lol win win.

KiraTsukasa · July 2015

I've played more MMOs than I can remember, and have used nothing but text chat in all of them. With that said, I don't see how text chat would work on consoles. Entering text on Xbox is clunky as all hell, and I realize that that's the best they can do. It takes easily five times longer (possibly even more, I haven't actually timed myself) to enter a screen name or password on Xbox compared to PC. Text chat conversations need to be quick and easy, and that's just not very doable on a console. Also, because you can't easily resize and relocate UI elements like you could on a PC, you're running the risk of the chat box being either too big and obtrusive, or so small that you can't read the text, neither of which will make it useful.

Now, let me make it clear, I'm NOT against text chat. I just don't find the concept of it to be practical on a console.

Laranoye · July 2015

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

I've played more MMOs than I can remember, and have used nothing but text chat in all of them. With that said, I don't see how text chat would work on consoles. Entering text on Xbox is clunky as all hell, and I realize that that's the best they can do. It takes easily five times longer (possibly even more, I haven't actually timed myself) to enter a screen name or password on Xbox compared to PC. Text chat conversations need to be quick and easy, and that's just not very doable on a console. Also, because you can't easily resize and relocate UI elements like you could on a PC, you're running the risk of the chat box being either too big and obtrusive, or so small that you can't read the text, neither of which will make it useful.

Now, let me make it clear, I'm NOT against text chat. I just don't find the concept of it to be practical on a console.

So other games manage it, and yet because its ESO its suddenly obtrusive? (even though its on pc?)

For people whom want to use the text chat they wold more than likely have already or would get a mini wireless keyboard to use... Not really use the built in keyboard..

Now even if you used the built in keyboard, I bet it would be a damn site quicker than physically looking for someone to group with in game using voice... Barring from guilds because not everybody are able to find good guilds using voice lets be honest..

Zanefold · July 2015

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

I've played more MMOs than I can remember, and have used nothing but text chat in all of them. With that said, I don't see how text chat would work on consoles. Entering text on Xbox is clunky as all hell, and I realize that that's the best they can do. It takes easily five times longer (possibly even more, I haven't actually timed myself) to enter a screen name or password on Xbox compared to PC. Text chat conversations need to be quick and easy, and that's just not very doable on a console. Also, because you can't easily resize and relocate UI elements like you could on a PC, you're running the risk of the chat box being either too big and obtrusive, or so small that you can't read the text, neither of which will make it useful.

Now, let me make it clear, I'm NOT against text chat. I just don't find the concept of it to be practical on a console.

It may not be practical for you, but there are many people out there such as myself that have keyboards to utilize, they even have special keyboards that plug right into the controller.