Console text chat discussion

Zanefold

Hey guys, if you get a moment try to make sure to post your question about a future text chat feature for console to this forum page. This page is for asking them questions for the next eso live. so the more it pops up hopefully the more likely they will talk about it!

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/142023/eso-live-ask-us-anything/p78

dday3six

mrskinskull wrote: »

BigMac_Smiley wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;

"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."

So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed

I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.

So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.

Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man

Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic

You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.

What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?

AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!

I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.


There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry

So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.

the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.

What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?

Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.

A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.

This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.

People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.

You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.

Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...

How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.

I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.

From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.

There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...

So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...

Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.

You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)

Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?

People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..

quoted from first site googled....

""CONS

No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.

Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.

As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""

GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.

Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.

I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.

Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.

Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.

LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.

I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.

What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.

I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from

Now I believe you said you played on PC, so you know that ZOS stamped out spammers on PC. There may be some that show up, but I have always seen them disperser very quickly. As far as you not wanting to deal with people spamming guild, WTS, and WTB I can understand but you would not have to keep a zone channel up. Many people with Voice don't like to stay in area chat for many of the same reason you say affect text chat; however just like voice you can create a text tab that will only show guild, group, say, ect. You can change what you want to read, or turn it off completely. The current form of communication limits us to a small group of people and text chat can help increase the amount of people we could possible work with or get to know.

Without text chat on PC, zos would have never had to devote time and resources to tracking down offenders. I want all time and energy devoted to the new stuff.

You said it yourself, text chat ENABLED gold spammers and text trolls on PC. Eventually zos stamped them out
. The whole time you the forums are on fire with 'I quit' threads as zos deftly but not quickly dealt with the prob.

Meanwhile the time between dlc or patches is dragging on.

I'm not saying no to text, just please can we use an app and not hold up and annoyn the whole gaming community with its birthing pains.


You see, I don't think this is even an anti chat argument, many of us just want it to come in on an app.

The biggest strength of in game text chat is being able to communicate with more people who actually in the game playing. It's often said that having both text chat and voice would divide the community. How would a 3rd party app not do the same?

Everyone would have access to text and voice chat vs everyone having access to voice but only some having access to the 3rd party app. The app doesn't address what text chat would, just pulls players out of the game. The now rather than still interacting with the controller as with in game text chat, they would have to engage another completely separate device. It's apples to oranges.

Also content development was slow because of lacking revenue that is why ZOS went F2P and waited until console release to start releasing major content updates. They wanted to get a better idea of their total projected revenue with all systems accounted. As well as wanting the profits from console sales to fall back on.

Ace_of_Destiny

This is my first post in this thread...from page 8.

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

OPTIONAL Text Chat Please.

This is "skins" first post in this thread...from page 19.

mrskinskull wrote: »

I haven't come across a single person within gameplay saying they hate voice chat. Ps4. 25 hrs played. The op is just wrong.
Oh god. Please zos don't make us have to play with the controller in one hand and A keyboard in the other. Pleasssssse. No text chat.

I know its ironic that I'm typing this. If zos forums had voice chat I wouldn't have to hen peck out that joke.

I took the liberty of enlarging the rather hypocritical part of that post.


Now, here we all are on page 87.

mrskinskull wrote: »

The us and them feeling is imposed because of our form of communication.

It feels like people are arguing with you or me but its just the lack of facial cues and vocal stresses.

I actually don't think there's anyone in this thread against text chat.

I think its implementation is the source of contention.

I would love to see an app fill the text need and include some useful functions. Maybe some from various addons.

I personally don't want to use a keyboard or a mini keyboard or have to toggle a text box off each and every time I log in a LA voice chat style.

Many people aren't considering that text chat would be added from their imagination into the game without any hiccuos because glitches and bugs never happen in even the most desired of features.

Nope you actually have no opposition here just a debate as to how it can happen.

Again, I took the liberty of enlarging the rather hypocritical parts of his post.

He's "not against text chat"...even though he is against text chat.

He begs not to have to use a controller in one hand and a texting device in the other...even though he is fine if that texting device just happens to be a cellphone.


Let's face it, this dude just keeps changing tactics so people won't call him...um...what are those things that live under bridges?
I can't remember for the life of me.

King Bozo

Unless your disabled or never went to school then how did anyone escape life without using a keyboard? We need text chat to solve in game problems.

VoidBlue

Text chat for when you want to be social. Mmmm mmm good!

Zanefold

VoidBlue wrote: »

Text chat for when you want to be social. Mmmm mmm good!

Social? What is this, "Social" that you speak of? Ahhh I know, must be the mind numbing, ear blasting, obnoxious area chat that they have that's supposed to bring countless people together in a "immersive mmorpg" while children cry in the background, fights break out at home "for your entertainment" since it can be heard thanks to there mic that they don't mute. Didnt you guys know? We paid for that feature when we bought the game! Its called the "$%#@ Us Right?" Feature where we not only get the elder scrolls story built in but everyone's life story in the background! But dont worry, if you dont like it, just disable chat... or all communication from the eso "MMO" world...


...yay...



Lets just keep drinking the kool aid guys... lol

VoidBlue

Zanefold wrote: »

VoidBlue wrote: »

Text chat for when you want to be social. Mmmm mmm good!

Social? What is this, "Social" that you speak of? Ahhh I know, must be the mind numbing, ear blasting, obnoxious area chat that they have that's supposed to bring countless people together in a "immersive mmorpg" while children cry in the background, fights break out at home "for your entertainment" since it can be heard thanks to there mic that they don't mute. Didnt you guys know? We paid for that feature when we bought the game! Its called the "$%#@ Us Right?" Feature where we not only get the elder scrolls story built in but everyone's life story in the background! But dont worry, if you dont like it, just disable chat... or all communication from the eso "MMO" world...


...yay...



Lets just keep drinking the kool aid guys... lol

idk why you quoted me, im 100% for text chat. lol

text chat its for when you want to be social. mmm mmm good!

Zanefold

VoidBlue wrote: »

Zanefold wrote: »

VoidBlue wrote: »

Text chat for when you want to be social. Mmmm mmm good!

Social? What is this, "Social" that you speak of? Ahhh I know, must be the mind numbing, ear blasting, obnoxious area chat that they have that's supposed to bring countless people together in a "immersive mmorpg" while children cry in the background, fights break out at home "for your entertainment" since it can be heard thanks to there mic that they don't mute. Didnt you guys know? We paid for that feature when we bought the game! Its called the "$%#@ Us Right?" Feature where we not only get the elder scrolls story built in but everyone's life story in the background! But dont worry, if you dont like it, just disable chat... or all communication from the eso "MMO" world...


...yay...



Lets just keep drinking the kool aid guys... lol

idk why you quoted me, im 100% for text chat. lol

text chat its for when you want to be social. mmm mmm good!

I didn't meant to sound mean/against you, my bad. I know you are I was just being a smart @$# about eso's definition of social. I'm sorry dude :-(

VoidBlue

Zanefold wrote: »

VoidBlue wrote: »

Zanefold wrote: »

VoidBlue wrote: »

Text chat for when you want to be social. Mmmm mmm good!

Social? What is this, "Social" that you speak of? Ahhh I know, must be the mind numbing, ear blasting, obnoxious area chat that they have that's supposed to bring countless people together in a "immersive mmorpg" while children cry in the background, fights break out at home "for your entertainment" since it can be heard thanks to there mic that they don't mute. Didnt you guys know? We paid for that feature when we bought the game! Its called the "$%#@ Us Right?" Feature where we not only get the elder scrolls story built in but everyone's life story in the background! But dont worry, if you dont like it, just disable chat... or all communication from the eso "MMO" world...


...yay...



Lets just keep drinking the kool aid guys... lol

idk why you quoted me, im 100% for text chat. lol

text chat its for when you want to be social. mmm mmm good!

I didn't meant to sound mean/against you, my bad. I know you are I was just being a smart @$# about eso's definition of social. I'm sorry dude :-(

oh ok lol. but yea i agree with what you said before. voice chat is just horrible when no one knows how to use it properly, with the screaming babies and the IRL arguments. i use to disable voice chat everytime i zoned. now its so much of a hassle i learned to ignore all the annoying people scream over voice chat. but i definitely dont stay in cities for long while in game. lol

Laranoye

VoidBlue wrote: »

Zanefold wrote: »

VoidBlue wrote: »

Zanefold wrote: »

VoidBlue wrote: »

Text chat for when you want to be social. Mmmm mmm good!

Social? What is this, "Social" that you speak of? Ahhh I know, must be the mind numbing, ear blasting, obnoxious area chat that they have that's supposed to bring countless people together in a "immersive mmorpg" while children cry in the background, fights break out at home "for your entertainment" since it can be heard thanks to there mic that they don't mute. Didnt you guys know? We paid for that feature when we bought the game! Its called the "$%#@ Us Right?" Feature where we not only get the elder scrolls story built in but everyone's life story in the background! But dont worry, if you dont like it, just disable chat... or all communication from the eso "MMO" world...


...yay...



Lets just keep drinking the kool aid guys... lol

idk why you quoted me, im 100% for text chat. lol

text chat its for when you want to be social. mmm mmm good!

I didn't meant to sound mean/against you, my bad. I know you are I was just being a smart @$# about eso's definition of social. I'm sorry dude :-(

oh ok lol. but yea i agree with what you said before. voice chat is just horrible when no one knows how to use it properly, with the screaming babies and the IRL arguments. i use to disable voice chat everytime i zoned. now its so much of a hassle i learned to ignore all the annoying people scream over voice chat. but i definitely dont stay in cities for long while in game. lol

This is why it is the exact opposite of immersive.

Soul_of_Odin

The silence on this issue is deafening. I thought they wanted to have the same experience across all platforms...guess not.

Because of this I'll be trading in my copy of the game today while I can still get something for it.

If they ever decide to correct some of these mistakes then I might come back.

To all those that stick around and continue the fight, good luck.

Peace.

Ace_of_Destiny

Soul_of_Odin wrote: »

The silence on this issue is deafening. I thought they wanted to have the same experience across all platforms...guess not.

Because of this I'll be trading in my copy of the game today while I can still get something for it.

If they ever decide to correct some of these mistakes then I might come back.

To all those that stick around and continue the fight, good luck.

Peace.

Please don't give up, Mate.

At least give it 90 days.

If right after Imp City comes out they don't fix this...I'll eat my sandle.
(Just one though...I hate going barefoot on both feet.)

Zanefold

Laranoye wrote: »

VoidBlue wrote: »

Zanefold wrote: »

VoidBlue wrote: »

Zanefold wrote: »

VoidBlue wrote: »

Text chat for when you want to be social. Mmmm mmm good!

Social? What is this, "Social" that you speak of? Ahhh I know, must be the mind numbing, ear blasting, obnoxious area chat that they have that's supposed to bring countless people together in a "immersive mmorpg" while children cry in the background, fights break out at home "for your entertainment" since it can be heard thanks to there mic that they don't mute. Didnt you guys know? We paid for that feature when we bought the game! Its called the "$%#@ Us Right?" Feature where we not only get the elder scrolls story built in but everyone's life story in the background! But dont worry, if you dont like it, just disable chat... or all communication from the eso "MMO" world...


...yay...



Lets just keep drinking the kool aid guys... lol

idk why you quoted me, im 100% for text chat. lol

text chat its for when you want to be social. mmm mmm good!

I didn't meant to sound mean/against you, my bad. I know you are I was just being a smart @$# about eso's definition of social. I'm sorry dude :-(

oh ok lol. but yea i agree with what you said before. voice chat is just horrible when no one knows how to use it properly, with the screaming babies and the IRL arguments. i use to disable voice chat everytime i zoned. now its so much of a hassle i learned to ignore all the annoying people scream over voice chat. but i definitely dont stay in cities for long while in game. lol

This is why it is the exact opposite of immersive.

So with that being said, how are you liking your kool aid? What one is your favorite, the blue or the red one?



You drink the blue kool aid - the desire for text chat ends, you embrace the obnoxious area chat and lie to yourself that its fine, staying in the lonely "MMO" world... alone . You take the red pill - you stay in this forum and we try our best to make zenimax realize the actual need for text chat, especially for the deaf community.

lol

Laranoye

Zanefold wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

VoidBlue wrote: »

Zanefold wrote: »

VoidBlue wrote: »

Zanefold wrote: »

VoidBlue wrote: »

Text chat for when you want to be social. Mmmm mmm good!

Social? What is this, "Social" that you speak of? Ahhh I know, must be the mind numbing, ear blasting, obnoxious area chat that they have that's supposed to bring countless people together in a "immersive mmorpg" while children cry in the background, fights break out at home "for your entertainment" since it can be heard thanks to there mic that they don't mute. Didnt you guys know? We paid for that feature when we bought the game! Its called the "$%#@ Us Right?" Feature where we not only get the elder scrolls story built in but everyone's life story in the background! But dont worry, if you dont like it, just disable chat... or all communication from the eso "MMO" world...


...yay...



Lets just keep drinking the kool aid guys... lol

idk why you quoted me, im 100% for text chat. lol

text chat its for when you want to be social. mmm mmm good!

I didn't meant to sound mean/against you, my bad. I know you are I was just being a smart @$# about eso's definition of social. I'm sorry dude :-(

oh ok lol. but yea i agree with what you said before. voice chat is just horrible when no one knows how to use it properly, with the screaming babies and the IRL arguments. i use to disable voice chat everytime i zoned. now its so much of a hassle i learned to ignore all the annoying people scream over voice chat. but i definitely dont stay in cities for long while in game. lol

This is why it is the exact opposite of immersive.

So with that being said, how are you liking your kool aid? What one is your favorite, the blue or the red one?



You drink the blue kool aid - the desire for text chat ends, you embrace the obnoxious area chat and lie to yourself that its fine, staying in the lonely "MMO" world... alone . You take the red pill - you stay in this forum and we try our best to make zenimax realize the actual need for text chat, especially for the deaf community.

lol

haha awesome!
Ill mix them! would that mess up my brain?

Zanefold

Laranoye wrote: »

Zanefold wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

VoidBlue wrote: »

Zanefold wrote: »

VoidBlue wrote: »

Zanefold wrote: »

VoidBlue wrote: »

Text chat for when you want to be social. Mmmm mmm good!

Social? What is this, "Social" that you speak of? Ahhh I know, must be the mind numbing, ear blasting, obnoxious area chat that they have that's supposed to bring countless people together in a "immersive mmorpg" while children cry in the background, fights break out at home "for your entertainment" since it can be heard thanks to there mic that they don't mute. Didnt you guys know? We paid for that feature when we bought the game! Its called the "$%#@ Us Right?" Feature where we not only get the elder scrolls story built in but everyone's life story in the background! But dont worry, if you dont like it, just disable chat... or all communication from the eso "MMO" world...


...yay...



Lets just keep drinking the kool aid guys... lol

idk why you quoted me, im 100% for text chat. lol

text chat its for when you want to be social. mmm mmm good!

I didn't meant to sound mean/against you, my bad. I know you are I was just being a smart @$# about eso's definition of social. I'm sorry dude :-(

oh ok lol. but yea i agree with what you said before. voice chat is just horrible when no one knows how to use it properly, with the screaming babies and the IRL arguments. i use to disable voice chat everytime i zoned. now its so much of a hassle i learned to ignore all the annoying people scream over voice chat. but i definitely dont stay in cities for long while in game. lol

This is why it is the exact opposite of immersive.

So with that being said, how are you liking your kool aid? What one is your favorite, the blue or the red one?



You drink the blue kool aid - the desire for text chat ends, you embrace the obnoxious area chat and lie to yourself that its fine, staying in the lonely "MMO" world... alone . You take the red pill - you stay in this forum and we try our best to make zenimax realize the actual need for text chat, especially for the deaf community.

lol

haha awesome!
Ill mix them! would that mess up my brain?

If you did that you would get the final fantasy mmo before the whole revamp aka before version 2.0 (a realm reborn) lol

Pman85

This thread as getting dangerously close to the second page

markt84

Just please make it optional. I don't want it cluttering up my screen, the group list already does that enough

Zanefold

"So guys, I got this fantastic Idea, now I know that Meg just finished all that hard work on text chat for console and is about to plug it in to try it out, but before we do that just hear me out. Just imagine something called... I don't know, lets just call it area chat, that will be implemented EVERYWHERE for EVERYONE ... This way you can play the game AND eat your dinner or your favorite snack, yell at your kids, watch a movie or simply talk to your friends standing next to you while trying to fight in a dungeon, or simply try to trade while over 20+ people in the same area chat as you try and get a group together! This is so much better than text chat, they will throw money at us for coming up with such a great idea! Shut up Meg I don't care about your so called realistic concerns, this is the future of mmo's... we are just the only ones to do it... that just means that we are being innovative right? Its not like that many mmo's have been out that we might wonder why they never tried to do JUST area chat..."

yeah I can't see how that could go wrong... nope not one problem ...

Quagmire4german4

Road to page 100!

Lupus_Draco

I'll debate with the anti TEXT CHAT players for 20 pages before I were to give up on this topic. I have such high hopes for what this game will evolve into. First things first though, fix the communication. This is an MMO console or not. I've already stated that an MMO without the ability to communicate with the "Massive" amounts of players is just a side by side single player game. I can't help anyone that I see having an issue with a puzzle.
Example: One of the very first areas for Dominion has a puzzle where you must correctly order the moon phases. Well I see a player shocking himself over and over attempting to unlock the door. Of course I would like to help. Well my 18 month old is napping next to me. I didn't want to bust out my headset and chance waking up the grump. Assuming that they aren't deaf and speak english. Well no text chat. So I'm attempting to jump and point to get their attention. Eventually I get them to activate the first one, then I ran to the second one but the player had already attemped another out of order and restarted the process. After 10 minutes of attempting to help this person, I gave up. Something that should have been as easy as "activate the moon stones 1, 3, 4, then 2 and the door will unlock" in a text chat box, was a game of ritual dancing charades in an attempt to help that pour soul. He might still be there to this day... poor guy.
I have already argued the severe Cons when it comes to the 100ft radius voice chat catastrophe. Needless to say it doesn't function as an effective social communication tool for players. Rather only is helpful if you have already filtered through forums for a guild or posted your needs for one. We all know you can't scout in game, because well... no text chat.
I understand that with text chat comes Gold Spam. Trust me, my blacklist in FFXIV is full at 200 names. It also comes with trolls and children being children. I will however take all of that with my TEXT chat box, before attempting to find a group for "group" content without it.
As for some of these arguments about Controller in one hand and keyboard in the other.... seriously?... If you don't want to use the Text chat box... don't. Keep your headset and barking animals, and screaming children, and arguing siblings, and severely horrible music coming from the other side. The rest of us with any experience in a serious MMO what-so-ever would like our communication back.

Bacon

I can't says I've read all 2600+ replies to this post but I have read through a good portion of them. I still have yet to see a good reason against text chat. I don't really have a huge interest in using it but many people do and as long as I can close it when I want to I don't see a problem.

Voice chat would be fine if people actually knew how to mute their mics and weren't just making a bunch of noise actively trying to make people angry. 9 times out of 10 the people using in area chat aren't actually chatting, they just left their mic on so we can all her them yelling at their kids to shut up. I was in guild chat one day listening to a small group that was questing together. One guys dog was crying for 20 minutes and when asked about it he said the dog wanted to go out. 30 minutes later he was yelling at the dog for crapping on the floor. Every once in a while you will hear something funny or someone trying to trade/sell stuff. From the sounds of it most people just turn chat off because it is more BS than actual communication.

Voice chat was a good idea in theory but obviously it didn't work out well in practice. Probably would have worked out just fine if people had the decency to mute their mic when they aren't actually using it but good luck getting the average person to care if they are annoying someone else.

This is an MMO and people need to be able to effectively communicate. Voice chat alone isn't working so maybe its time for ZOS come up with a plan B....maybe give text chat a try. Put it on the PTS and see how it goes. You might be supersized by the results.

markt84

Lupus_Draco wrote: »

I'll debate with the anti TEXT CHAT players for 20 pages before I were to give up on this topic. I have such high hopes for what this game will evolve into. First things first though, fix the communication. This is an MMO console or not. I've already stated that an MMO without the ability to communicate with the "Massive" amounts of players is just a side by side single player game. I can't help anyone that I see having an issue with a puzzle.
Example: One of the very first areas for Dominion has a puzzle where you must correctly order the moon phases. Well I see a player shocking himself over and over attempting to unlock the door. Of course I would like to help. Well my 18 month old is napping next to me. I didn't want to bust out my headset and chance waking up the grump. Assuming that they aren't deaf and speak english. Well no text chat. So I'm attempting to jump and point to get their attention. Eventually I get them to activate the first one, then I ran to the second one but the player had already attemped another out of order and restarted the process. After 10 minutes of attempting to help this person, I gave up. Something that should have been as easy as "activate the moon stones 1, 3, 4, then 2 and the door will unlock" in a text chat box, was a game of ritual dancing charades in an attempt to help that pour soul. He might still be there to this day... poor guy.
I have already argued the severe Cons when it comes to the 100ft radius voice chat catastrophe. Needless to say it doesn't function as an effective social communication tool for players. Rather only is helpful if you have already filtered through forums for a guild or posted your needs for one. We all know you can't scout in game, because well... no text chat.
I understand that with text chat comes Gold Spam. Trust me, my blacklist in FFXIV is full at 200 names. It also comes with trolls and children being children. I will however take all of that with my TEXT chat box, before attempting to find a group for "group" content without it.
As for some of these arguments about Controller in one hand and keyboard in the other.... seriously?... If you don't want to use the Text chat box... don't. Keep your headset and barking animals, and screaming children, and arguing siblings, and severely horrible music coming from the other side. The rest of us with any experience in a serious MMO what-so-ever would like our communication back.

Why do you need to go to forums to find a guild? I'm in 4 and never had to ask for 1, 3 are good active ones, and 1 is pure trading guild. Why can't you scout in voice chat? It happens ALL the time in PvP. Find a good guild, talk in there, group up, and if area chat is bothering you, turn it off. Why is this so difficult for you guys? Get a personality, make friends, join up. You're already hiding behind a screen, now you want to hide you're voice too? Not sure why it's so hard for you guys to verbally communicate....madness. Maybe it's because I've never been anti social

Now ur talking about ur kid asleep next to you, got it, good point.

Laranoye

markt84 wrote: »

Lupus_Draco wrote: »

I'll debate with the anti TEXT CHAT players for 20 pages before I were to give up on this topic. I have such high hopes for what this game will evolve into. First things first though, fix the communication. This is an MMO console or not. I've already stated that an MMO without the ability to communicate with the "Massive" amounts of players is just a side by side single player game. I can't help anyone that I see having an issue with a puzzle.
Example: One of the very first areas for Dominion has a puzzle where you must correctly order the moon phases. Well I see a player shocking himself over and over attempting to unlock the door. Of course I would like to help. Well my 18 month old is napping next to me. I didn't want to bust out my headset and chance waking up the grump. Assuming that they aren't deaf and speak english. Well no text chat. So I'm attempting to jump and point to get their attention. Eventually I get them to activate the first one, then I ran to the second one but the player had already attemped another out of order and restarted the process. After 10 minutes of attempting to help this person, I gave up. Something that should have been as easy as "activate the moon stones 1, 3, 4, then 2 and the door will unlock" in a text chat box, was a game of ritual dancing charades in an attempt to help that pour soul. He might still be there to this day... poor guy.
I have already argued the severe Cons when it comes to the 100ft radius voice chat catastrophe. Needless to say it doesn't function as an effective social communication tool for players. Rather only is helpful if you have already filtered through forums for a guild or posted your needs for one. We all know you can't scout in game, because well... no text chat.
I understand that with text chat comes Gold Spam. Trust me, my blacklist in FFXIV is full at 200 names. It also comes with trolls and children being children. I will however take all of that with my TEXT chat box, before attempting to find a group for "group" content without it.
As for some of these arguments about Controller in one hand and keyboard in the other.... seriously?... If you don't want to use the Text chat box... don't. Keep your headset and barking animals, and screaming children, and arguing siblings, and severely horrible music coming from the other side. The rest of us with any experience in a serious MMO what-so-ever would like our communication back.

Why do you need to go to forums to find a guild? I'm in 4 and never had to ask for 1, 3 are good active ones, and 1 is pure trading guild. Why can't you scout in voice chat? It happens ALL the time in PvP. Find a good guild, talk in there, group up, and if area chat is bothering you, turn it off. Why is this so difficult for you guys? Get a personality, make friends, join up. You're already hiding behind a screen, now you want to hide you're voice too? Not sure why it's so hard for you guys to verbally communicate....madness. Maybe it's because I've never been anti social

Now ur talking about ur kid asleep next to you, got it, good point.

There nothing anti social about it... Some people just do not want to have a headset on all the time or constantly converse via voice...
How is text chat anti social?
Yeah its so social on VOIP its basically listening to soap, whilst my wife watches her soaps...
Some people just cannot talk all the time, you may be int he same room as someone else still trying to be minor social with them As said a sleeping baby, there are many more things....

I don't think people understand we don't want voice removed... we just would like text chat as well...

mrskinskull

King Bozo wrote: »

Unless your disabled or never went to school then how did anyone escape life without using a keyboard? We need text chat to solve in game problems.

I learned to talk before I learned to type.

Lupus_Draco

markt84 wrote: »

Lupus_Draco wrote: »

I'll debate with the anti TEXT CHAT players for 20 pages before I were to give up on this topic. I have such high hopes for what this game will evolve into. First things first though, fix the communication. This is an MMO console or not. I've already stated that an MMO without the ability to communicate with the "Massive" amounts of players is just a side by side single player game. I can't help anyone that I see having an issue with a puzzle.
Example: One of the very first areas for Dominion has a puzzle where you must correctly order the moon phases. Well I see a player shocking himself over and over attempting to unlock the door. Of course I would like to help. Well my 18 month old is napping next to me. I didn't want to bust out my headset and chance waking up the grump. Assuming that they aren't deaf and speak english. Well no text chat. So I'm attempting to jump and point to get their attention. Eventually I get them to activate the first one, then I ran to the second one but the player had already attemped another out of order and restarted the process. After 10 minutes of attempting to help this person, I gave up. Something that should have been as easy as "activate the moon stones 1, 3, 4, then 2 and the door will unlock" in a text chat box, was a game of ritual dancing charades in an attempt to help that pour soul. He might still be there to this day... poor guy.
I have already argued the severe Cons when it comes to the 100ft radius voice chat catastrophe. Needless to say it doesn't function as an effective social communication tool for players. Rather only is helpful if you have already filtered through forums for a guild or posted your needs for one. We all know you can't scout in game, because well... no text chat.
I understand that with text chat comes Gold Spam. Trust me, my blacklist in FFXIV is full at 200 names. It also comes with trolls and children being children. I will however take all of that with my TEXT chat box, before attempting to find a group for "group" content without it.
As for some of these arguments about Controller in one hand and keyboard in the other.... seriously?... If you don't want to use the Text chat box... don't. Keep your headset and barking animals, and screaming children, and arguing siblings, and severely horrible music coming from the other side. The rest of us with any experience in a serious MMO what-so-ever would like our communication back.

Why do you need to go to forums to find a guild? I'm in 4 and never had to ask for 1, 3 are good active ones, and 1 is pure trading guild. Why can't you scout in voice chat? It happens ALL the time in PvP. Find a good guild, talk in there, group up, and if area chat is bothering you, turn it off. Why is this so difficult for you guys? Get a personality, make friends, join up. You're already hiding behind a screen, now you want to hide you're voice too? Not sure why it's so hard for you guys to verbally communicate....madness. Maybe it's because I've never been anti social

Now ur talking about ur kid asleep next to you, got it, good point.

I'm not anti social at all. I'm probably one of the funnest outgoing people you would ever meet. In real life however, I have real things go on in my home that I feel it unnecessary to make other people.listen to. Laundry, Children, Animals, a Wife who likes to talk to me. I'm happy for you that recruitment in voice chat is not a problem for you. I'd say a majority of us have not been so lucky. In my experience save for 1 instance in Cyrodil where I happen to find a decent group to fight with for a short period, voice chat has been close to useless outside of Guild chat. Which like I said, I got recruited to from the forums. I don't know how assuming that anyone is "hiding" behind a screen is a good point. Would you feel better if we all played our games outside at the park? I also have no interest in hiding my voice. I do wish however that some others would. I'd say madness is to argue a point of anti social when what we are all asking for is a way to be more social. Thank you though for the hype up on voice chat, however we aren't arguing against voice chat. We are simply pointing out the flaws and problems that confirm our need for a text chat.

mrskinskull

Soul_of_Odin wrote: »

The silence on this issue is deafening. I thought they wanted to have the same experience across all platforms...guess not.

Because of this I'll be trading in my copy of the game today while I can still get something for it.

If they ever decide to correct some of these mistakes then I might come back.

To all those that stick around and continue the fight, good luck.

Peace.

Do they disable your forum account when you are no longer playing the game with an active account?

I have a bunch of buddies grabbing the console version this week.
The GTA crowd is filtering in now that the I'll gotten gains thing has worn out its welcome.

mrskinskull

markt84 wrote: »

Just please make it optional. I don't want it cluttering up my screen, the group list already does that enough

Do you think it will be optional in the same way voice chat is optional?

Like always on with each transition and you can optionally turn it off each time, lol.

Second screen text chat, plzzzzzzzzzzzz


Zos can make everyone happy with one easy to use app!

See I'm smiling preemptively,

Ace_of_Destiny

Bacon wrote: »

I can't says I've read all 2600+ replies to this post

I am almost ashamed to say it, but I have.

Zanefold

markt84 wrote: »

Lupus_Draco wrote: »

I'll debate with the anti TEXT CHAT players for 20 pages before I were to give up on this topic. I have such high hopes for what this game will evolve into. First things first though, fix the communication. This is an MMO console or not. I've already stated that an MMO without the ability to communicate with the "Massive" amounts of players is just a side by side single player game. I can't help anyone that I see having an issue with a puzzle.
Example: One of the very first areas for Dominion has a puzzle where you must correctly order the moon phases. Well I see a player shocking himself over and over attempting to unlock the door. Of course I would like to help. Well my 18 month old is napping next to me. I didn't want to bust out my headset and chance waking up the grump. Assuming that they aren't deaf and speak english. Well no text chat. So I'm attempting to jump and point to get their attention. Eventually I get them to activate the first one, then I ran to the second one but the player had already attemped another out of order and restarted the process. After 10 minutes of attempting to help this person, I gave up. Something that should have been as easy as "activate the moon stones 1, 3, 4, then 2 and the door will unlock" in a text chat box, was a game of ritual dancing charades in an attempt to help that pour soul. He might still be there to this day... poor guy.
I have already argued the severe Cons when it comes to the 100ft radius voice chat catastrophe. Needless to say it doesn't function as an effective social communication tool for players. Rather only is helpful if you have already filtered through forums for a guild or posted your needs for one. We all know you can't scout in game, because well... no text chat.
I understand that with text chat comes Gold Spam. Trust me, my blacklist in FFXIV is full at 200 names. It also comes with trolls and children being children. I will however take all of that with my TEXT chat box, before attempting to find a group for "group" content without it.
As for some of these arguments about Controller in one hand and keyboard in the other.... seriously?... If you don't want to use the Text chat box... don't. Keep your headset and barking animals, and screaming children, and arguing siblings, and severely horrible music coming from the other side. The rest of us with any experience in a serious MMO what-so-ever would like our communication back.

Why do you need to go to forums to find a guild? I'm in 4 and never had to ask for 1, 3 are good active ones, and 1 is pure trading guild. Why can't you scout in voice chat? It happens ALL the time in PvP. Find a good guild, talk in there, group up, and if area chat is bothering you, turn it off. Why is this so difficult for you guys? Get a personality, make friends, join up. You're already hiding behind a screen, now you want to hide you're voice too? Not sure why it's so hard for you guys to verbally communicate....madness. Maybe it's because I've never been anti social

Now ur talking about ur kid asleep next to you, got it, good point.

So, I'm just throwing this out there. Your not one of those people that believes texting is antisocial are you? Now I'm not saying that communicating in the form of text is more or less social than the other. I guess what I'm trying to say is if you have 2 groups of people talking in a game, one using there voice while the other group using text because they are deaf. Does that make them antisocial? If not how does it differ from those who can use voice but choose text? Just because you have the option does not mean you are antisocial it just means you have found another way to socialize that best fits your needs/preferences and those around you. Unfortunately in this particular case zenimax has chosen quite poorly based on the fact that the largest forum on the eso site is around the need for text chat for consoles in eso.

Just something to think about friend. However I will respect your opinion.

mrskinskull

Pman85 wrote: »

This thread as getting dangerously close to the second page

You have to keep bumping it because there aren't as many people concerned with this as you wish,

Otherwise the pointless bumps are against forum policy.


Honestly this thread sinks every time the pro text app crowd goes back to playing the game.

When theyre not around to quote, this thread falls back to where it actually ranks in terms of importance.

Pointless bumps don't fool zos into thinking it is important, content does.

And this thread is about one page long once the redundant arguments and points are removed.