See while that is great for you your describing a single player game connected online . That what the questing and alts etc do and that is great but it won't hold the MMO fans particular the ex WoW who came here for a change.

Trials are not end game to me . They were linear stack and shoot encounters and racing is only good for the very elite however the elite have always cared about real progression.

PvP is not end game it's just another game within a game.

End game is max level content that has progression built into it to ensure that people are engage for a year or two.

As for 'upcoming' where is the upcoming vet dungeon . Upcoming wont keep me subbed sorry

End game is max level content that has progression built into it to ensure that people are engage for a year or two.
Why do you need to be engaged for a year or two when new content is released every 4-6 weeks?

See, the reason there's no end game in this game is that the game doesn't end -- not even for the developers.

If you're ex-WoW who came here for a change, then why are you suggesting that this game change to be more like WoW?

Thatusernameistaken wrote: »

Drazhar14 wrote: »

Gear progression? The would be a very boring end game... constantly grinding for and upgrading your gear isn't fun for me.

So you raid for warm and fuzzy feelings? No thanks, I prefer progression in an RPG. As should you...

I play games because they are fun, you know, for entertainment. I really don't care about getting super amazing gear, if it happens along the way then great, but what is the point of getting gear if there is nothing to do with it?

There is an endgame.

You might not like it, but its there. Vet Levels/Craglorn/Forced Group content.

That is the endgame.

Stratti wrote: »

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That is no way to play

WoW - gear grind clone #156549864687973146547684351 is neither

Why would you wow bash they have kept 7+ million subs going for nearly a decade

Dont make this about a Wow v ESO . If you truly feel that they have nailed the endgame that is your right. If you see yourself doing what your doing now for the next 6 months then cool.

But if your concerned that players around you are dropping off, activity is dropping off and nothing is being fixed when it comes to core concerns than any WoW reference is taking away from that

Well I do agree with you that we need more content for max level players. Though our ideas may differ, our concerns are similar.

On another note, I don't understand how players burn through new content in a matter of a few days. Is it that some people play 24/7, or is it that the content ZOS is putting out has no substance? I'm at the point where I'm just starting lower Craglorn, after finally completing all the veteran zones. And I've been playing since launch.

What is this end game you speak of?

On a more serious note, everyone in this guild I'm in that rushed to "end game" quit playing 2+ months ago. 200 people gone. A scant few who are not max level like me still log in.

ZOS one minor screw up: the leveling curve was way way way way way way too easy. The rest is really those players rush to beat everyone to max level. Well the pvp bugs didn't help but all those things are starting to be put right.

Drazhar14 wrote: »

Gear progression? The would be a very boring end game... constantly grinding for and upgrading your gear isn't fun for me.

Isn't doing trials for new best times and PvP end game? But yes there could be more variety added for sure. More activities such as horse racing, mounted combat, gambling, arena PvP, and anything that adds to the actual game mechanics also adds more replay value to the game. The upcoming justice system is an example of this.

The most enjoyable part of mmo's for me has always been the leveling experience though. Making alts is end game content too in my opinion, especially when quests let you make multiple choices. ESO could use more choice options with greater impact to the game world though. As an Elder Scrolls fan, I look forward to new land to explore in the future as end game content.

You already grind for gear with each cap increase. So the game would be as boring for you as it is now, except the gear progression would be somewhat meaningful (as in people with gear would have completed more difficult content than people without).

Trying to faceroll content faster doesnt qualify as endgame for me. Minigames dont quite cut it either. Dont get me wrong, theyre nice to have, but theyre not the meat and potatoes of the game.

I will agree with you that the leveling experience could use more replay value tho.

JoffyToffy69 wrote: »

If you like WoW go play it.
ESO is a different game which makes it unique.

I played WoW and gear grinding is the worst. I hated it! As soon as you finally get something good, it turns out to be rubbish, so you then need to repeat everything just to get gear that is slightly better. Then surprise surprise, that newly gained gear is useless compared to the next set of gear. rinse and repeat.

That's why I love ESO. It is different from WoW, and not a clone like alot of other "mmos"

I have to agree with you as veteran off just WoW i found there gear grinding one of most stupid idea of keep people busy for years and funny thing is you grinder for a year before there expansion come.

As soon as new expansion hit all your work and effort go out the window and gear is go to replace with green quest reward gear and you have start all over yeah that is really fun!!!! NOT!!!!!!

No to the gear grind. I don't get how people finished the game so quickly. That's crazy. Anyway, WoW is a god-awful treadmill of suck. It's the same crap over and over. Gear grinding sucks because it just further alienates casual players putting us at a ever-increasing disadvantage. New gear keeps coming out, but casual players never can catch up. So we're constantly getting owned by those that seem to have nothing else to do but play ESO.

So ESO should keep cranking out new gear to satisfy the game junkies? It's not possible. No matter how hard they work or how fast they churn out gear, they can't keep up with you crack fiends. You always want more. If they release more, you'll just play that much more, burn through it 2 hours after it comes out and be back on here begging for another fix.

Go to rehab, people. You're playing way too much.

I absolutely do not want any of the things the OP lists. Game over for me if that *** goes down here.

Wolfshead wrote: »

Marru wrote: »

Eso community logic. WoW's gear grinding is bad, eso vr levels grinding and increasing max level twice in 6 month is perfect.

No that is not true but if you have do gear grinding for almost 10 year and each time a new expansion come out in WoW all your work and effort to get the best gear in game get throw out window and replace with green quest reward gear i would say something is very very wrong with that game design.

I'm not say that increasing max lvl twice in 6 month is best answer but do beat hell out do same old boring dalies day in and out day for a year maybe longer.

Beside at least ZoS is get game content out alot faster then Blizzard what have been now almost 1 year with out new game content in WoW just for the "focus" on new expansion so the company that earn most $$ in the mmo industry don't have enough money keep a small team on there payroll that add game content while rest of dev team can work on expansion???

Its a fair point you make the question is one of the overall end game system . WoW may have lull periods where everything is completed and it isnt worth gearing further. There are daily quests and reputation to work on - items and mounts to collect and real rewards of the vanity type. I may sound like Im spruiking for WoW but I am not . I left the game because it had become a toxic community. Eso has a great community awesome graphics and game engine but the end game is lacking .

In my view what are we meant to do once we max level - try and get a trial going or do an arena??? Arena has its issues although it is fun.

A lot of it is simple design flaws. Some of it is lack of solo things to do at end game. For me I will likely not renew my sub because I have nothing particularly motivating to do outside of group content. In case we are wondering the group finder is shocking - there is no global channel for lfg - most guilds are trading based and even my own PVE guild can never get more than a group or two up since patch. And that isnt all the time.

I am about to log on perhaps for the last time and I am not sure what I can do if my guildmates dont want me to tank an arena or dont want to do it because the Already got the achieve.

Its a shame really.

@‌Stratti
I'm not say ESO have a perfect end game system and yes i do miss solo content as well at the end in ESO but i don't like idea that you have suggest for that will kill ESO for i left WoW for i could not stand that fact that i need to do samething over and over again before Blizzard send out new expansion and also i was get tried of all whine in WoW community as well.

I hope that ZoS also at one point look at solo content and start add that to the end game i would love to see solo and small group content for 2 or 3 people as well for the need to add that in long run if want people to stay around for longer period of time.

@Marru‌
If I reminder right WoW was not perfect back in 2004 the have same problem as ESO have and the did not have any raid content for 1 st 6 month people was just sit around in IF and Org and did some dungeon or BG back them so yeah no game is perfect it take time to get game right for all mmo have so call "children's disease" at start.