Isn't the compensation too strong?

schindler

SilverBride wrote: »

I never once said those locked out shouldn't get any of the things they are being compensated with. But some of us lost out on a good part of the day's play time too.

Maybe, but what's your point then?

You lost ~ a day and the event got extended by two, so you've still gained time to farm the pages rather than lost time.

If it's about them not dropping, it's still a different issue.

SilverBride

This entire event is leaving a very bad taste.

sarahthes

SilverBride wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

schindler wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I'm thinking of all the players that have grinded for day after day and still not gotten style pages. This "celebration" will be remembered but not in a good way.

Dude, maybe you could differentiate between two things? ^^

a) Drop rates are stupid low, I agree.

b) There was a huge bug and locked accounts. I was banned during the endeavour bug and got nothing. Perhaps once the next bug causing people being temporarily banned comes around and affects you, you'll think back and realise how great a nice apology would be.

I have nothing to apologize for. I never once said those locked out shouldn't get any of the things they are being compensated with. But some of us lost out on a good part of the day's play time too.

The event is extended, right? So, the lost playtime for the unaffected accounts is compensated.

Then why did those locked out get style pages? They will have more time to grind for them too.

The event got extended for 2 days. They've been locked out for more than that already, and since there will be downtime before they get their accounts back and that downtime hasn't been announced yet, they will not come out ahead.

It is entirely possible the event will end before they're able to play again, even with the extension.

hiyde

SilverBride wrote: »

Ren_TheRedFox wrote: »

@Galiferno lovely ... no one was able to play the game that day too for a few hours ... where is everyone else's endeavors for those hours? Oh right ... we didn't get any xD

This is an excellent point. We weren't able to play for most of the day because of server down time. Where are our style pages?

They added *48 hours* to the event to compensate for *9* hours lost. More than fair.

Xandreia_

SilverBride wrote: »

This entire event is leaving a very bad taste.

only with people that feel they are entitled to the world while not actually deserving it

Galiferno

SilverBride wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

schindler wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I'm thinking of all the players that have grinded for day after day and still not gotten style pages. This "celebration" will be remembered but not in a good way.

Dude, maybe you could differentiate between two things? ^^

a) Drop rates are stupid low, I agree.

b) There was a huge bug and locked accounts. I was banned during the endeavour bug and got nothing. Perhaps once the next bug causing people being temporarily banned comes around and affects you, you'll think back and realise how great a nice apology would be.

I have nothing to apologize for. I never once said those locked out shouldn't get any of the things they are being compensated with. But some of us lost out on a good part of the day's play time too.

The event is extended, right? So, the lost playtime for the unaffected accounts is compensated.

Then why did those locked out get style pages? They will have more time to grind for them too.

Because the extension is 2 days and at the moment most of us are locked out for 4+ days. If I don't get my account back til tomorrow, that's 5 days. The extension alone does not logically compensate for the time of our bans.

Altyrann

All for compensation for those affected, but it being the super rare drops that are limited to the event only makes hours spent unsuccessfully farming feel even less fun when seeing people getting given them because they happened to log on to the PTS on a specific day.

dcam86b14_ESO

Honestly not enough, we still miss out on 12 events tickets or 15 depending when your account gets unlocked

TaSheen

I made a li'l "jelly" remark, but honestly it really isn't even necessary to give me anything. I never play in NA prime time, and I was too sick to play that day anyway. So *shrug*. No big deal for me, one way or the other.

I'm really sad to see the piranha posts though.

Seminolegirl1992

Tyrion87 wrote: »

So much jealousy in this thread. It's just sad, yet somehow I'm not surprised.

It definitely screams of that. Reminds me of "well I didn't get xyz benefit back in my day, so nor should you" with regard to political stuff but I'm gonna leave that topic at that so it doesn't derail into against tos stuff. I applaud the several selfless folks who were not affected by the ban but had no issue with the compensation.

SilverBride

I keep saying that I have no problem with those locked out being compensated with any of the things they are getting.

But others were affected by this too, in different ways.

hiyde

SilverBride wrote: »

But some of us lost out on a good part of the day's play time too.

...and we were appropriately compensated for those 9 lost hours.

Araneae6537

Ren_TheRedFox wrote: »

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@Xandreia_ has been locked out of their account for DAYS.

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DerAlleinTiger

SilverBride wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

schindler wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I'm thinking of all the players that have grinded for day after day and still not gotten style pages. This "celebration" will be remembered but not in a good way.

Dude, maybe you could differentiate between two things? ^^

a) Drop rates are stupid low, I agree.

b) There was a huge bug and locked accounts. I was banned during the endeavour bug and got nothing. Perhaps once the next bug causing people being temporarily banned comes around and affects you, you'll think back and realise how great a nice apology would be.

I have nothing to apologize for. I never once said those locked out shouldn't get any of the things they are being compensated with. But some of us lost out on a good part of the day's play time too.

The event is extended, right? So, the lost playtime for the unaffected accounts is compensated.

Then why did those locked out get style pages? They will have more time to grind for them too.

"Some." How much compared to your full event time plus several extension days? Most of us still don't have our accounts back yet, and we have no idea if we'll have them tomorrow, Saturday, Sunday, or even Monday. That's their vague timeframe for the 'earliest,' but we have no idea if they'll be able to manage that, if something comes up to delay it further, or any number of other things. By the time all is said and done, even with the extension we'll probably have several days less in total event time than you. Combine that with Monday also being lost to any of us who weren't up at 9 Eastern in the morning, so anyone who got their boxes or pages then have just straight up lost those to all this.

But hey, people didn't want a full server rollback for their precious couple hours. It could have been more "fair" but people felt that being rolled back a couple hours despite not touching the PTS wouldn't be "fair," so now those of us who had to lose out for their feeling of "fairness" shouldn't be compensated because that feels "unfair" now too?

I'd have more sympathy if we weren't told to tough it out and weren't important or were too tiny of a minority to matter on the first day when it all started.

code65536

I think a major reason for the salt in this thread is the whole replica style page thing. Non-tradeable pages with horrific drop rates and not available for sale with tickets.

It's the combination of all three of those things that made the introduction of the style pages a major mistake for this event.

And people who are suffering through that grind are rightfully frustrated by this inane RNG grind, and they are directing that frustration at the people who got locked out of their accounts, because those people were able to escape the RNG grind.

I hope that these pages will return next year, and I hope that they will return with either much better drop rates, tradeability, and/or ticketability.

(As for the seals of endeavors, I honestly would've preferred the thousand boxes that I would've gotten (across both NA and EU) and the mats and goodies contained within, over endeavors, because I personally don't like most of the garish stuff in the crown crates. I have >40K endeavors and nothing that I want to spend it on. But oh well; I can see people who would have the opposite perspective.)

Desiato

No matter the issue, some people will always try to make it about them.....

TaSheen

Oh, I don't have any use for the style pages anyway. SO not my thing at all....

Altyrann

code65536 wrote: »

I think a major reason for the salt in this thread is the whole replica style page thing. Non-tradeable pages with horrific drop rates and not available for sale with tickets.

It's the combination of all three of those things that made the introduction of the style pages a major mistake for this event.

And people who are suffering through that grind are rightfully frustrated by this inane RNG grind, and they are directing that frustration at the people who got locked out of their accounts, because those people were able to escape the RNG grind.

I hope that these pages will return next year, and I hope that they will return with either much better drop rates, tradeability, and/or ticketability.

(As for the seals of endeavors, I honestly would've preferred the thousand boxes that I would've gotten (across both NA and EU) and the mats and goodies contained within, over endeavors, because I personally don't like most of the garish stuff in the crown crates. I have >40K endeavors and nothing that I want to spend it on. But oh well; I can see people who would have the opposite perspective.)

Exactly this. Making very desirable style pages a limited time only thing with a super low drop rate was already driving horrible grinding. Having a portion of the player base able to bypass that because of pure chance really adds to the frustration.

Xandreia_

its honestly sad to see that ZOS for once does something good and some people dont see WHY and HOW this was absolutely needed and warrented!

personally i dont care about the style pages, i got the 2 i wanted. what i do care about is days of lost dragon farming for a item i need because i do alot of end game trials. 4 days and counting, that is hundreds of 1 item not to mention motifs and other things out of the boxes!

yes ESO is just a game but once ive done with work, done all my boring IRL things getting on eso and just chilling out with a few friends mindlessly running around for a few hours (for the one time a year i actually farm lol) is just nice...

people need to stop the "what about me" and "i lost 9 hours of play time" and actually look at the bigger picture -.-

OhDios

I think its a just and fair compensation.

DerAlleinTiger

Ren_TheRedFox wrote: »

@DerAlleinTiger it's a tough question cause if you roll back the whole thing to a certain point of time everyone would have lost everything ... but doing that would be the "fairest" thing and then giving everyone the items from the event would be the perfect compensation for it

I can appreciate you at least recognize that, but apparently most people didn't agree with you on the first day so we're losing about a week or more instead of everyone losing a couple hours (and being liable to receive a shared compensation of some sort too, albeit much smaller). We were told we were too small of a minority to matter on the first day by some people, told that their page they had drop in those hours were more important than our entire week of game and event time (fair enough for them to think so, but then they shouldn't complain when we get compensated with something we didn't even have the chance to grind for this week).

Now we're being told it isn't fair that we're getting a generous - and it is extremely generous on ZOS's behalf, I will not deny - compensation from ZOS because we're getting unfair treatment compared to the others. Just like, you know, how we were treated unfairly having to lose our accounts for a week due to no fault of our own while the others cheered on the fact that we got the lock while they didn't get rolled back a few hours. To be clear, people were making threads thanking ZOS for not rolling everyone back, and thus indirectly for locking us out for a week (which is fair enough for them to do... but then they can't get mad when we get a juicy compensation in return).

Maybe you weren't a part of them, but just to put things into perspective... that's likely why you aren't getting much sympathy in return from people who are receiving the compensation. Most of us would have likely been happy if there was a quick rollback, we all got our accounts, and everyone got a minor compensation and an event extension. But that wasn't wanted or chosen, so now we get a bigger compensation for taking not just the brunt but the entirety of ZOS's mess-up.

ESO_player123

SilverBride wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

schindler wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I'm thinking of all the players that have grinded for day after day and still not gotten style pages. This "celebration" will be remembered but not in a good way.

Dude, maybe you could differentiate between two things? ^^

a) Drop rates are stupid low, I agree.

b) There was a huge bug and locked accounts. I was banned during the endeavour bug and got nothing. Perhaps once the next bug causing people being temporarily banned comes around and affects you, you'll think back and realise how great a nice apology would be.

I have nothing to apologize for. I never once said those locked out shouldn't get any of the things they are being compensated with. But some of us lost out on a good part of the day's play time too.

The event is extended, right? So, the lost playtime for the unaffected accounts is compensated.

Then why did those locked out get style pages? They will have more time to grind for them too.

I will put my response from this thread as an answer:

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It was a big screw up (during the 10 year anniversary celebration, no less). So, the compensation had to match the issue. I was not affected, but I'm happy for those that get these items as an apology.

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Gaebriel0410

A very generous compensation, I expected ZOS to do something for the players who got locked out but not to this extent, I think it is pretty impressive and I am happy how it is getting resolved for the affected players.

I think it is a very good and deserved gesture towards players who were in the dark for almost half a week about the status of their account in a game they love enough to help test it.

I think it is also reassuring towards the playerbase in general, as it sends the message that something like this is very unlikely to happen again, and it sets a good precedent that they are willing to make it right if it does.

I can't even begin to comprehend why so many people are being envious salt elementals about other people getting a bunch of seals, we should all be relieved for our fellow ESO players.

Casul

The moral of this story is ZOS shouldn’t do bound mega grindy style pages in the future and should triple if not quadruple the amount of seals earned.

HeavyMetalHippie420

The people affected by the Cyrodiil crashes and rollbacks never got compensated. I lost 20 reward boxes from that.

Sharrum

Real question now is not about the compensation but When are we getting our accounts back. Cause i'm starting to get worried about the anniversary costume on the daily log rewards :S

Altyrann

code65536 wrote: »

I think a major reason for the salt in this thread is the whole replica style page thing. Non-tradeable pages with horrific drop rates and not available for sale with tickets.

It's the combination of all three of those things that made the introduction of the style pages a major mistake for this event.

And people who are suffering through that grind are rightfully frustrated by this inane RNG grind, and they are directing that frustration at the people who got locked out of their accounts, because those people were able to escape the RNG grind.

I hope that these pages will return next year, and I hope that they will return with either much better drop rates, tradeability, and/or ticketability.

(As for the seals of endeavors, I honestly would've preferred the thousand boxes that I would've gotten (across both NA and EU) and the mats and goodies contained within, over endeavors, because I personally don't like most of the garish stuff in the crown crates. I have >40K endeavors and nothing that I want to spend it on. But oh well; I can see people who would have the opposite perspective.)

Having the ability to get the style pages for tickets or leaving them in game beyond the event would be a great step to limiting the disparity.

acastanza_ESO

code65536 wrote: »

(As for the seals of endeavors, I honestly would've preferred the thousand boxes that I would've gotten (across both NA and EU) and the mats and goodies contained within, over endeavors, because I personally don't like most of the garish stuff in the crown crates. I have >40K endeavors and nothing that I want to spend it on. But oh well; I can see people who would have the opposite perspective.)

My opinion exactly

Anifaas

Nice loot! Hey ZOS! You can, mistakenly, ban me any time you want! This one is bad kitty.

mikejezz

Galiferno wrote: »

We got locked out of our accounts for no fault of our own for voluntarily beta testing for ZOS. No, this does not feel too strong. It's enough to make most of us happy.

I also want to beta test a patch involuntarily and get a radiant mount instead of a few style pages any day