PVPers who kill Questers

ArchMikem · February 24

Leave them alone. Under no circumstances should a PVP player kill someone just doing a quest.

Pvpers have the luxury of taking their PvP wherever they want in the zone. Questers do not. Players are making the conscious decision to camp Quest areas to farm easy kills. When Questers openly complain of their content being blocked by constant attacks, they're mocked and "put in their place" because it's a PvP Zone. Some serious power trips going on here.

If PvP vets really do care about good player fights, go fight each other and leave the sheep be.

Jaraal · February 24

ArchMikem wrote: »

Pvpers have the luxury of taking their PvP wherever they want in the zone. Questers do not. Players are making the conscious decision to camp Quest areas to farm easy kills. When Questers openly complain of their content being blocked by constant attacks, they're mocked and "put in their place" because it's a PvP Zone. Some serious power trips going on here.

If PvP vets really do care about good player fights, go fight each other and leave the sheep be.

Except the players who camp PvEers aren't actually PvPers. They are usually PvEers looking for easy kills, or people who'd like to PvP, but aren't quite good enough yet. Real PvPers are looking for other PvPers who will put up a good fight, or are playing the map objectives.

It's the fringe element and pseudo-PvPers that's giving PvP the bad name you are referencing.

Vulkunne · February 24

Kill the questor as many times as they see them. All people on the other factions are fair game.

ArchMikem wrote: »

Pvpers have the luxury of taking their PvP wherever they want in the zone. Questers do not. Players are making the conscious decision to camp Quest areas to farm easy kills. When Questers openly complain of their content being blocked by constant attacks, they're mocked and "put in their place" because it's a PvP Zone. Some serious power trips going on here.

If PvP vets really do care about good player fights, go fight each other and leave the sheep be.

Ok and? Not sure what the problem is.

To put it plainly you're in someone else's backyard. Especially for those who have an aversion to PvP, alright that's fine. But yeah you are in someone else's house and no one should expect those in the house to play by someone else's rules. Even now during this Mayhem Event there are bombers, gankers and snipers everywhere, its legit PvP tactic, a legit Military tactic and part of the game.

No apologies should be offered for something that is an *intended* part of the game. For those that disagree should not enter a PvP zone to just take what you want without respecting the house you are in. Same for IC. I mean look, Casino's have nice rewards too but I don't go into a Casino looking for the house to play by my rules.

Vulkunne · February 24

Kill the questor as many times as they see them. All people on the other factions are fair game.

The #1 very first thing you need to do is check the population indicators for your server. If we have a prime time situation where all factions are at 3 bars then that means more people are on. Questing outside of prime time, especially with 1 bar pop is a great strategy.

Sparxlost · February 24

Kill the questor as many times as they see them. All people on the other factions are fair game.

the actually insane part is choosing to quest in a pvp area DURING A PVP EVENT..

they are paid triple to kill you today, and you think "oh, now seems like a nice time to take a leisurely stroll"

LesserCircle · February 24

Kill the questor as many times as they see them. All people on the other factions are fair game.

Yeah

Roztlin45 · February 25

Kill the questor as many times as they see them. All people on the other factions are fair game.

Actually, I am not after the player. I am after their faction. So therefore if you are red or yellow it is better to kill that fellow.

Stefirex · February 25

Leave them alone. Under no circumstances should a PVP player kill someone just doing a quest.

Another forum poll that is pointless. Players gonna play til the end of their days.

spartaxoxo · February 25

Jaraal wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Pvpers have the luxury of taking their PvP wherever they want in the zone. Questers do not. Players are making the conscious decision to camp Quest areas to farm easy kills. When Questers openly complain of their content being blocked by constant attacks, they're mocked and "put in their place" because it's a PvP Zone. Some serious power trips going on here.

If PvP vets really do care about good player fights, go fight each other and leave the sheep be.

Except the players who camp PvEers aren't actually PvPers. They are usually PvEers looking for easy kills, or people who'd like to PvP, but aren't quite good enough yet. Real PvPers are looking for other PvPers who will put up a good fight, or are playing the map objectives.

It's the fringe element and pseudo-PvPers that's giving PvP the bad name you are referencing.

Yup. I can understand if you can't tell, I'd there is an endeavor, or if the PvPer wants a change of pace and is doing the town dailies themselves at the time because that's how it is supposed to go. It's really the campers that are specifically going out of their way to block off a quest area that suck. But honestly, it doesn't happen that often.

Most will kill you at most once, just to see if you're a PvPer or not, and then leave you alone.

drkfrontiers · February 25

I have often been killed by players most of the time 1000s of CPs higher than me, when I showed no intention of attack, or when I was clearly just going about some harmless lorebook or skyshard activities.

Always left me feeling rather sorry for sad person behind the keyboard.

That being said, it's like taking a ... in your own living room.

Want more focus for PvP, try look at your bias and adopt some common decency. Stop being the clown that HAS to win at every conceivable moment. It's not a pretty look.

There are thousands of types of players. New starts, people with disabilities, younglings, and old ones. Perhaps give some thought next time someone is just trying to do a delve and not harming anyone?

AnduinTryggva · February 25

Jaraal wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Pvpers have the luxury of taking their PvP wherever they want in the zone. Questers do not. Players are making the conscious decision to camp Quest areas to farm easy kills. When Questers openly complain of their content being blocked by constant attacks, they're mocked and "put in their place" because it's a PvP Zone. Some serious power trips going on here.

If PvP vets really do care about good player fights, go fight each other and leave the sheep be.

Except the players who camp PvEers aren't actually PvPers. They are usually PvEers looking for easy kills, or people who'd like to PvP, but aren't quite good enough yet. Real PvPers are looking for other PvPers who will put up a good fight, or are playing the map objectives.

It's the fringe element and pseudo-PvPers that's giving PvP the bad name you are referencing.

I'd like to reiterate my proposition here again: Make PvP area quests real PvP quests (e.g. kill x players, conquer y districts,...) that is: do things that only by playing really PvP can be achieved. Then the PvEer who would like to get the rewards from this would really have to learn to do PvP and perform at least moderately well or leave it be. It was just a bad decision by ZOS to lure PvEers into a PvP zone by offering PvE quests there and making an event based on these quests for which you get motif pages and vouchers.

Zodiarkslayer · February 25

Kill the questor as many times as they see them. All people on the other factions are fair game.

I think you cannot expect players to differentiate his enemies into good or bad targets, valid or forbidden, real PvPers or questors. This is just unrealistic.

If there was a fourth, neutral faction, that one could log into, then maybe. You know, yellow healthbars instead of red or blue, for easy visual distinction.

Battle Spirit could also count it as a "warcrime", if one kills a neutral player and give a seriously debilitating debuff as a result. Like -90% health for 30 mins. Thatta be awesome! 😁

Jaraal · February 25

drkfrontiers wrote: »

There are thousands of types of players. New starts, people with disabilities, younglings, and old ones. Perhaps give some thought next time someone is just trying to do a delve and not harming anyone?

Perhaps give some thought next time you enter a zone that is designed for PvP. If it's upsetting, then why not stick to the zones you're comfortable in? It's like putting your tongue on a frozen pole. If you know what's going to happen, but go ahead and do it anyway, that's 100% on you.

MidniteOwl1913 · February 25

Kill the person doing the quest, but if they see them again, let them pass and leave them be

Sparxlost wrote: »

the actually insane part is choosing to quest in a pvp area DURING A PVP EVENT..

they are paid triple to kill you today, and you think "oh, now seems like a nice time to take a leisurely stroll"

It's questing when you do the dailies to get the boon boxes.

There is some other interesting quest content in PVP zones but it's not worth the aggravation even in not event.

MidniteOwl1913 · February 25

Kill the person doing the quest, but if they see them again, let them pass and leave them be

So I do check the servers and I pick one that has mostly my faction. This is in IC. Often I end up in the no CP. That's fine. But even then I don't get thru very many of the district dallies before getting killed. Sometimes a player will stake out one of the questing spots and just wait. When that happens I change servers. It really helps that during the event there are multiples of some like Dragonfire.

Most of the time I'm killed while running away. At first I did try to fight back, but it just drew things out. I don't have a PVP build and have no idea how to use one if I did. The build I'm using is my IA tank build but 38k health doesn't seem to matter much. There's that target on my back with a sign that says "For AP/Telvar stab here" and that is all there is.

The rewards in the boxes are pretty good, it would take less time if I didn't have to keep respawning.

Scaletho · February 25

Leave them alone. Under no circumstances should a PVP player kill someone just doing a quest.

How depressing. [snip]

[edited for minor baiting]

AvalonRanger · February 25

Leave them alone. Under no circumstances should a PVP player kill someone just doing a quest.

Ultimate conclusion.
Mixing PVE and PVP contents is the worst idea in the ESO.

This game depend on "meta character building aspect" too much.
Those are almost different game title. Can't exist on the same basis and rules.
Should be separated forever including equipment.

At least, current game design of ESO can't treat PVP mixing PVE contents properly.

Aurielle · February 25

Scaletho wrote: »

How depressing. [snip]

I’ve personally seen more toxicity from PVEers in game and on the forums when it comes to PVP. Killing someone questing in Cyrodiil is not inherently toxic — context matters. If a group of nightblades head to Cheydinhal to camp quest givers and repeatedly kill the same quester over and over again? Sure, that’s pretty toxic. Killing PVEers in objective locations when you’re rushing in to cap an objective? Not toxic. At all. If you decide to quest in an area (or are on your way to an area) that matters to the campaign, then you’re fair game to kill, because it isn’t always obvious if you’re just some quester there for the event.

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Jierdanit · February 25

Kill the person doing the quest, but if they see them again, let them pass and leave them be

Scaletho wrote: »

How depressing. [snip]

Ah yes the toxic PvP players doing PvP in a PvP zone.

[edited to remove quote]

Aurielle · February 25

AvalonRanger wrote: »

Ultimate conclusion.
Mixing PVE and PVP contents is the worst idea in the ESO.

This game depend on "meta character building aspect" too much.
Those are almost different game title. Can't exist on the same basis and rules.
Should be separated forever including equipment.

At least, current game design of ESO can't treat PVP mixing PVE contents properly.

So let’s imagine, for a moment, that ZOS completely does away with all PVE quests in Cyrodiil and IC to appease PVEers. What happens, then, when PVP events with tickets roll around?

I can see it now:

“This is so unfair! ZOS is forcing me to do PVP to get event tickets! I HATE PVP!”

“There’s nothing for casual PVEers to do during this event! It’s so unfair! Give us some easy quests to do so we can get tickets too!”

“Cancel these PVP events! It’s not fair that I have to do PVP to get tickets!”

Do you guys just want PVPers to have NO events? Because if so, there’s a word for that, and it begins with an E…

Mesite · February 25

Kill the questor as many times as they see them. All people on the other factions are fair game.

jaws343 wrote: »

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And the risk of letting someone just run free and turn around and stab me or my faction in the back at the first opportunity isn't worth the risk.

Happened to me yesterday. I ignored them thinking they were there in the cave for the quest then while I was fighting npcs they killed me. It was my own fault. I was in too much of a hurry.

peacenote · February 25

Araneae6537 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Maybe I'm just an oddball, but I don't think it's all that bad to mix PvE and PvP in the same zone. I look at the enemy players as obstacles to beware of, just like deadly bosses only worse. I don't think I've ever failed to (eventually) complete a PvE quest because of getting killed by enemy players-- delayed, yes, but not prevented.

Agreed! When I’m in the mood for it, it’s just about the only area in the game where you face an actual threat that’s additionally unpredictable.

Yep. I actively like the mix. When I am in a hurry and the unpredictability causes delays I can't afford at the moment, I avoid it, but even then it doesn't mean I don't like it! If I could sit around all day and play 24/7 I'm sure I'd be in the PvP areas a lot more.

There are SO MANY AREAS where it's PvE only. It's the majority of the game. Why anyone begrudges the existence these two areas for the folks who enjoy them is beyond me. An equal comparison would be if PvP'ers insisted on pointing out, for every PvE event, that they can't earn AP in those areas, and demanding a non-pacifist flag so like minded people can do PvP in the rest of Tamriel. I really don't ever see threads like that so it drives me crazy when folks who prefer to exclusively PvE keep demanding ways to bow out of the PvP in Cyro and IC.

Irhak wrote: »

OK, think like this... if irl works like eso, you get killed and you can respawn... and goes to the store to e.g. buy milk... and store is like 100m away but you have to do the walk ten or hundred of times bc 5 people group together and keep killing you... would you still say then 'enjoy pvp'?

If real life worked like ESO... absolutely this would be awesome. I would enjoy it immensely. Sometimes dying while on my way to somewhere would be an extremely small price to pay to be able to always come back to life after dying and have a bunch of really cool powers all the time. I'd take that trade-off in a heartbeat - and then go get milk at a different store or at a different time, or drink water, or get it from Instacart.

Galiferno · February 25

Kill the questor as many times as they see them. All people on the other factions are fair game.

Sparxlost wrote: »

the actually insane part is choosing to quest in a pvp area DURING A PVP EVENT..

they are paid triple to kill you today, and you think "oh, now seems like a nice time to take a leisurely stroll"

No one is taking a "leisurely stroll" in pvp zones to quest just for the hell of it during the event. It's beyond obvious it's only to get tickets. It's insane to either completely misrepresent the problems players have or to have so little awareness about the problems and then proceed to make claims that apply to nobody.

moo_2021 · February 25

Leave them alone. Under no circumstances should a PVP player kill someone just doing a quest.

Scaletho wrote: »

How depressing. [snip]

It's not toxic wanting to murder each other. Aren't most games about murdering monsters? We PvPers just don't discriminate.

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drkfrontiers · February 25

Jaraal wrote: »

Perhaps give some thought next time you enter a zone that is designed for PvP. If it's upsetting, then why not stick to the zones you're comfortable in? It's like putting your tongue on a frozen pole. If you know what's going to happen, but go ahead and do it anyway, that's 100% on you.

Do I really have to explain to you why? Here let me help you.

46 skillpoints
And literally enough lore to rank 7 of mages guild and level 5 fighters guild. Not to mention alliance ranks as well.
I have 10 toons and every single one I clear Cyrodiil as soon as I get to level 10. Why? Because it's fun.

I run Standard CP campaign, because I am CP 2000 on level 20 and don't want to spend 100k AP to switch home later.

So I die alot to unsavory players. (clearly never afforded the life lessons of cricket!) I shrug it off even though I sometimes frown, writing it off as a poor man's respawn to deconstruct my loot.

I walk into Cyrodiil level 10 with like 4 skills and leave near level 40 with half my class skill lines and crafting complete. In one afternoon.

Oh the pain. Some players are very decent. Nearly all EP.

moo_2021 · February 25

Leave them alone. Under no circumstances should a PVP player kill someone just doing a quest.

drkfrontiers wrote: »

I walk into Cyrodiil level 10 with like 4 skills and leave near level 40 with half my class skill lines and crafting complete. In one afternoon.

How do you level weapons and crafting in Cyro? Just killing NPCs and deconstructing at base..?

Jaraal · February 25

AvalonRanger wrote: »

Ultimate conclusion.
Mixing PVE and PVP contents is the worst idea in the ESO.

You may be on to something. They should probably remove the PvE components of the event and make it strictly PvP based. I mean, they force me to do PvE for most of the other events. So I should have an event that caters exclusively to my playstyle, correct? Isn't that what you're suggesting?

CrashTest · February 25

Kill the questor as many times as they see them. All people on the other factions are fair game.

It's usually not the PvPers who are attacking the questers. It's the other PvE questers. You can tell just by watching the clueless way they fight.

Caza99 · February 25

Kill the person doing the quest, but if they see them again, let them pass and leave them be

I only find myself in this situation when the quester is flipping a town and I go to suss it out. Usually kill them once and move on.

NeoniKa · February 26

Leave them alone. Under no circumstances should a PVP player kill someone just doing a quest.

I guess I'm not at all a PVP player. I enjoy Battleground a lot but the Imperial City is absolutely horrible. I really hated the experience during this event and after it I don't plan to ever return. And the funny thing is that it's mainly because of those daily quests.

Never, not even a bit, I attacked a player that I notice doing a quest, also when attacking a Patrolling Horror I try not to hit other players. But what I found was just mess and no fair play at all. Tons of players waiting at the quest points just to prevent other players to complete it, nothing else, and players that firstly aim other players while killing a Patrolling Horror. I understand it's how it is, but I really didn't enjoy. I prefer to keep doing PVP on Battleground when no one's trying to do quests.

For reference, I had multiple times cases with some opponent up in the base constantly hitting me with an arrow while I was trying to put fire on a ballista for a quest. They couldn't kill me, I couldn't reach them... So I had no choice but to quit trying after a while. I won nothing they won nothing. It was nothing for nothing. No fun, no game, just boring stuff. I really don't understand why I can't interact with the things for the quest when someone is attacking me but not even doing much damage. It's a total nonsense and makes the questing in PVP absolutely unappealing.