ESO falling with cheaters?

kargen27

TooWeak2Live wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

I remember all that happening. I also remember players spamming ultimates as if they were light attacks. Have you seen any of that since things went from client side to server side?

[snip] There wasn't some magical switch they flipped one day. IIRC the LOS change just happened in the last big update. And even now we're dealing with a sorc exploit that's being heavily abused, and absolutely will not be fixed until at least u31.

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There is a difference in an exploit and a cheat. No it wasn't some magic switch. It was programming that took things that used to be on client side and moved them to server side.

Many people confuse exploiting with cheating. Both are against the ToS but there is a difference.

mocap

PC-EU, CP campaign.
One EP player is so annoying with this cheat or exploit. He can oneshot ANYONE. Your HP, armor doesn't matter.

Ackwalan

jrgray93 wrote: »

I play a lot of BGs are rarely see anything weird. I do occasionally see some very shady stuff with insane reaction speed to CC attempts. More than once, I've seen people time blocks to stop CC with inhuman speed and precision. Their block pops up for a few frames, just long enough to avoid an instant cast CC, often when they're clearly not even paying attention to the caster. I just assumed it was some addon that gave them notifications of incoming CC spells, rather than really cheating. Once in a blue moon, it seems too precise to be player controlled.

On the other side, I've been accused of cheating and had some kid spam "lol baddons" to me repeatedly because I weave and animation cancel so effectively, as if I've been playing my class for seven years or something.

That would be cheating.

renne

MrMazurski wrote: »

Example from today: I am doing a Shield rush in the back of my opponent (I didn't see a person who had eyes on the back of his head and managed to catch it, in front of it ok it is possible.
And click before colliding with a player like that, he does a rolldodge, I repeat it on that person 5 times. And the same thing every time.

Lmao yer man here mad that someone he keeps trying to do exactly the same move on every time is able to avoid exactly the same move he keeps trying to do on them every time so it must be cheating. Some people really are that aware of what's going on around them, especially in PvP, especially if what they do is battlegrounds like it's a job, it doesn't mean they're cheating.

Blobsky

MrMazurski wrote: »

This mainly refers to Battlegrounds. Over the last month I have met more people who are 99% or 100% sure they cheated.

One of the easiest to spot is their magical ability to avoid any CC skill. Example from today: I am doing a Shield rush in the back of my opponent (I didn't see a person who had eyes on the back of his head and managed to catch it, in front of it ok it is possible.
And click before colliding with a player like that, he does a rolldodge, I repeat it on that person 5 times. And the same thing every time.
Every seven people could be stunted, but not this person.
Not to mention that the same player hit me with single target skill before he discovered me in stealth mode. (I drank the potion with invisibility.)

And such a situation happens more and more often in BG. And I don't play a lot of them, sometimes I will play maybe one or two during the day.

The more that we do not even have a normal report system. Not to mention that this person has already been reported by players including me, and then still appears on BG.

Will ZOS start doing something with such people? I don't think they care, and so does the multitude of bugs that prevent the player from playing.

For years, no normal system of reporting, repetitions, etc has been introduced which, however, would make it easier to catch such people. There aren't many of them, but the lack of any fight against them only makes matters worse, because more and more people will start to do so. Including the lack of any system for BG with leagues etc can get irritating if you hit High MMR. I can understand the annoyance but not the cheating.

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As easy as it is to blame cheating, I've played almost only PvP since beta and only ever seen 2 cheaters (both had infinite ultimates, so could spam meteors, and both were long ago).

Your example of shield charge is an extremely predictable cc, and we know nothing of your playstyle to understand what you were doing wrong.

There are many experienced pvpers and the only way to improve is work out what YOU did wrong. If you blame cheating, you will never improve.

tim99

yes, i've also noticed that from the OP.
some time ago, maybe years, there was that addon where people could see attacks evenn made from sneak.
Zos canceled that API, so that special functionality was not posible any more.

But recently it started again, way too much and too exactly to have it by chance. Im sure there is something, what people alarms, even if you snipe from sneak into their back...
It's not bad yet, just a few seems to know about it yet. Wait if we are back at the state, where it's so common, that everyone has to use it ^^

TooWeak2Live

tim99 wrote: »

yes, i've also noticed that from the OP.
some time ago, maybe years, there was that addon where people could see attacks evenn made from sneak.
Zos canceled that API, so that special functionality was not posible any more.

But recently it started again, way too much and too exactly to have it by chance. Im sure there is something, what people alarms, even if you snipe from sneak into their back...
It's not bad yet, just a few seems to know about it yet. Wait if we are back at the state, where it's so common, that everyone has to use it ^^

Problem is that just removing the API doesn't fix the problem long term. The information is still in the client. It just moves from an addon to a hack.

Destiny 2 encountered a similar problem with the enemy radar. On PC people developed hacks that showed exact enemy positions. They eventually had to remove the feature entirely to eliminate the information that the hacks were using, but IIUC it still exists on console.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Miats is essentially a dead addon. Almost none of it works due to changes ZOS specifically targeted at said addon, so the outrage is completely misplaced.

Highly doubt the guy was cheating TBH. A zoomed out camera covers your back. Roll Dodge is the most powerful defensive tool in PVP, and a lot of players are built to roll from one side of the map to the other. Also, plenty of ways he could be bringing you out of stealth.

I am not saying it doesnt happen, but I have not seen blatant cheating in PVP in years.

Kind of a funny catch 22. Zos moves everything server side to prevent cheating and the performance goes to crap . I preferred the cheaters TBH.

InvitationNotFound

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Are there cheaters? likely, but definitely not many.
Take a video of something you consider "cheating" (in all likelihood it isn't) and send it to ZOS. Done.

And again, some people complain about addons again...

a) Addons are part of the game (unless you play on console. you don't like addons? go play there. thx). They are intended by ZOS. They are providing the API and define what an addon can do. So basically, everything that ZOS allowed can be used. So no, addons are in no way cheating.

b) If you have solid information about an addon actually doing something that is broken (exploit) or is otherwise off, report it to ZOS. I highly doubt that this is really the case, but when 10 guys are telling the same *** to each other, it once might feel like reality (even it obviously isn't).

TL;DR: Report your stuff to ZOS. If you want to discuss this here in the forums, provide evidence [snip]

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tracksilver

Cheating is still very alive in the game today. Its a lie when people say "I've never seen a cheater". It's just fanboy's crying out because a game they like is infested with problems and they can't admit that. The first part of the solution is admitting there's a problem.
Gaming is plagued with cheating now. If you were to go over 10-15 years back in gaming, you would be lucky to spot a cheater in over 1000+ players. In todays gaming communities, you're looking at cheaters in every 1 out of 4 players. You see this in almost every game now. Games like CS:GO, Siege, Battlefield, even strange titles like Phasmophobia all have massive cheating issues. ESO is no different.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BifAnVjWyzFOZWQLeBgrVEB5jY3dpJlW/view?usp=sharing

This screenshot alone shows the same player using "Knight Slayer" nonstop as their only ability in Cyrodiil, and this was taken only a week ago. Knight Slayer is linked to your heavy attack, but if you know there's a script out there that's been posted before on the forums and shown off on YouTube that allows you to do multiple heavy attacks at once, this is what happens.

Knight Slayer (Set)
(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(3 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(5 items) Your fully-charged Heavy Attacks against Players deal an additional 8% of their Max Health as Oblivion Damage. This can deal a maximum of 8000 Oblivion Damage.

Its blatantly obvious that cheating is still around. You have people with videos every week showing people flying in the sky walking around as if its normal. You have people who already admit you can cheat regen magika/stamina. You have people who have 40k armor stats, running around with 70k HP, can nonstop dodge roll, while casting spells that do around 10k damage a hit. The max of every category possible. Cheating is a huge issue in and always has been.

And thats the PVP cheats. PvE has so many more issues with cheaters its not even funny.
You have massive Bot farms, where groups of 10+ bots run around in circles farming all day. You got people completing Trials in *Record* times with unachievable scores. You have people who score Top on the leaderboard for 12 man trials in groups of 5 players. I've seen it so many times where a group of 5 players has the #1 leaderboard score. We've also had a duo score BRP #1-2 slots by doing it duo.

Fact is, do not deny cheating is happening, its everywhere, you're just going out of your way to not see it happening.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

tracksilver wrote: »

Cheating is still very alive in the game today. Its a lie when people say "I've never seen a cheater". It's just fanboy's crying out because a game they like is infested with problems and they can't admit that. The first part of the solution is admitting there's a problem.
Gaming is plagued with cheating now. If you were to go over 10-15 years back in gaming, you would be lucky to spot a cheater in over 1000+ players. In todays gaming communities, you're looking at cheaters in every 1 out of 4 players. You see this in almost every game now. Games like CS:GO, Siege, Battlefield, even strange titles like Phasmophobia all have massive cheating issues. ESO is no different.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BifAnVjWyzFOZWQLeBgrVEB5jY3dpJlW/view?usp=sharing

This screenshot alone shows the same player using "Knight Slayer" nonstop as their only ability in Cyrodiil, and this was taken only a week ago. Knight Slayer is linked to your heavy attack, but if you know there's a script out there that's been posted before on the forums and shown off on YouTube that allows you to do multiple heavy attacks at once, this is what happens.

Knight Slayer (Set)
(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(3 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(5 items) Your fully-charged Heavy Attacks against Players deal an additional 8% of their Max Health as Oblivion Damage. This can deal a maximum of 8000 Oblivion Damage.

Its blatantly obvious that cheating is still around. You have people with videos every week showing people flying in the sky walking around as if its normal. You have people who already admit you can cheat regen magika/stamina. You have people who have 40k armor stats, running around with 70k HP, can nonstop dodge roll, while casting spells that do around 10k damage a hit. The max of every category possible. Cheating is a huge issue in and always has been.

And thats the PVP cheats. PvE has so many more issues with cheaters its not even funny.
You have massive Bot farms, where groups of 10+ bots run around in circles farming all day. You got people completing Trials in *Record* times with unachievable scores. You have people who score Top on the leaderboard for 12 man trials in groups of 5 players. I've seen it so many times where a group of 5 players has the #1 leaderboard score. We've also had a duo score BRP #1-2 slots by doing it duo.

Fact is, do not deny cheating is happening, its everywhere, you're just going out of your way to not see it happening.

25% of people in this game are cheating? Sorry, that is nonsense. Not saying cheaters arent an issue in any online game, but when you grossly overstate the issue, it makes it hard to take anything you say seriously.

And please provide some proof the claims about trials and BRP. I remember early in game one of the first major cheat engines allowed you to spam your ultimate. A fairly prominent streamer at the time Meteor spammed his way through VMA, set a record score, and got his account banned in like 48 hours.

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Merforum

All you have to do is look on google for 'eso cheat mods' and you'll see a bunch of stuff. Literally the 4th thing on the list is a cheat engine that does a bunch of stuff. At least once a week I see some dude run past me through town (when I'm doing daily writs) and they are floating, going faster than normal sprint, and no movement animation is happening. I have always wondered what the hell and chalked it up to a bug like the standing on horse thing. BUT NO IT IS A CHEAT ENGINE THAT IS STILL FUNCTIONAL. I don't know if I can name the hacker or link to the vids but they are easy to find. And looking at some of the functionality the cheat engine gives it makes much more sense of some stuff I have been seeing for a while.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Merforum wrote: »

All you have to do is look on google for 'eso cheat mods' and you'll see a bunch of stuff. Literally the 4th thing on the list is a cheat engine that does a bunch of stuff. At least once a week I see some dude run past me through town (when I'm doing daily writs) and they are floating, going faster than normal sprint, and no movement animation is happening. I have always wondered what the hell and chalked it up to a bug like the standing on horse thing. BUT NO IT IS A CHEAT ENGINE THAT IS STILL FUNCTIONAL. I don't know if I can name the hacker or link to the vids but they are easy to find. And looking at some of the functionality the cheat engine gives it makes much more sense of some stuff I have been seeing for a while.

If it happens once a week, take a video, post it, and report it. Never seen anything like that, and been playing since beta. It is so easy to get to the speed cap now that people moving quickly is just not all that uncommon. Everyone single one of my toons is at the speed cap when not in Vet PVE content. Normal sprint just aint all that fast in ESO.

Malpheus_Prime

Elsonso wrote: »

Do you know specific facts, or is this just some urban legend that gets passed around as fact? The ESO API does limit what players can know about incoming attacks. If there are bugs or exploits that bypass this, they need to be reported. If you are not just speculating because you think something like that must exist, have you reported it?

This, if it's available in the API it should be fair game for an Add-on. Otherwise why make it available.

Merforum

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

All you have to do is look on google for 'eso cheat mods' and you'll see a bunch of stuff. Literally the 4th thing on the list is a cheat engine that does a bunch of stuff. At least once a week I see some dude run past me through town (when I'm doing daily writs) and they are floating, going faster than normal sprint, and no movement animation is happening. I have always wondered what the hell and chalked it up to a bug like the standing on horse thing. BUT NO IT IS A CHEAT ENGINE THAT IS STILL FUNCTIONAL. I don't know if I can name the hacker or link to the vids but they are easy to find. And looking at some of the functionality the cheat engine gives it makes much more sense of some stuff I have been seeing for a while.

If it happens once a week, take a video, post it, and report it. Never seen anything like that, and been playing since beta. It is so easy to get to the speed cap now that people moving quickly is just not all that uncommon. Everyone single one of my toons is at the speed cap when not in Vet PVE content. Normal sprint just aint all that fast in ESO.

I have given you all the info you need to find many vids on the subject. I'm not going to break TOS of forum to point to specific stuff you can find for yourself. As I said I have been seeing this obviously weird thing for years and just pretended like 'oh just a bug but who cares'. Then I looked it up and see that this cheat engine can do insane things like have you hover above the whole maelstrom arena map and walk to the last boss fight. And click a button for permanent inviso. Etc. Now stuff I have seen and didn't know what it was is making more sense.

I play the game for fun so don't really give a *** what other people do. But I do wonder why people who take the game so seriously seem to jump on the forum and try to dispute every thread that talks about exploits, bugs, cheesy tactics, hacks as if they don't exist. If I did some achievement in the game without cheating that I was proud of I would be a little upset that others cheated to get it not be defensive about it. Very strange.

MrMazurski

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

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Are there cheaters? likely, but definitely not many.
Take a video of something you consider "cheating" (in all likelihood it isn't) and send it to ZOS. Done.

And again, some people complain about addons again...

a) Addons are part of the game (unless you play on console. you don't like addons? go play there. thx). They are intended by ZOS. They are providing the API and define what an addon can do. So basically, everything that ZOS allowed can be used. So no, addons are in no way cheating.

b) If you have solid information about an addon actually doing something that is broken (exploit) or is otherwise off, report it to ZOS. I highly doubt that this is really the case, but when 10 guys are telling the same *** to each other, it once might feel like reality (even it obviously isn't).

TL;DR: Report your stuff to ZOS. If you want to discuss this here in the forums, provide evidence [snip]

a) if you wanna buy me console ok. then you can tell me. hhh sweaty... If you thing console are free from cheating you are in very big mistake. You really dont understand the difference between an addon that doesn't have affect for others and a cheat.

b) Have you ever received a reply from ESO support? from years, I have a lot of tickets related to other matters like missing items etc that have not received an answer to this day. For example, many people still haven't received feedback about disappearing companion items. Neither have they received these items

But you are here, so you care. So but you waste your time here? Them why you answer for this topic?

tracksilver wrote: »

Cheating is still very alive in the game today. Its a lie when people say "I've never seen a cheater". It's just fanboy's crying out because a game they like is infested with problems and they can't admit that. The first part of the solution is admitting there's a problem.
Gaming is plagued with cheating now. If you were to go over 10-15 years back in gaming, you would be lucky to spot a cheater in over 1000+ players. In todays gaming communities, you're looking at cheaters in every 1 out of 4 players. You see this in almost every game now. Games like CS:GO, Siege, Battlefield, even strange titles like Phasmophobia all have massive cheating issues. ESO is no different.

Right, I would never put it better. one of the best examples is Fall Guys, even Among Us. that were simply killed by cheaters after their success.

Malpheus_Prime wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Do you know specific facts, or is this just some urban legend that gets passed around as fact? The ESO API does limit what players can know about incoming attacks. If there are bugs or exploits that bypass this, they need to be reported. If you are not just speculating because you think something like that must exist, have you reported it?

This, if it's available in the API it should be fair game for an Add-on. Otherwise why make it available.

then why were Miats addons are banned? Wierd what? too, there were just "addons"

Merforum wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

All you have to do is look on google for 'eso cheat mods' and you'll see a bunch of stuff. Literally the 4th thing on the list is a cheat engine that does a bunch of stuff. At least once a week I see some dude run past me through town (when I'm doing daily writs) and they are floating, going faster than normal sprint, and no movement animation is happening. I have always wondered what the hell and chalked it up to a bug like the standing on horse thing. BUT NO IT IS A CHEAT ENGINE THAT IS STILL FUNCTIONAL. I don't know if I can name the hacker or link to the vids but they are easy to find. And looking at some of the functionality the cheat engine gives it makes much more sense of some stuff I have been seeing for a while.

If it happens once a week, take a video, post it, and report it. Never seen anything like that, and been playing since beta. It is so easy to get to the speed cap now that people moving quickly is just not all that uncommon. Everyone single one of my toons is at the speed cap when not in Vet PVE content. Normal sprint just aint all that fast in ESO.

I have given you all the info you need to find many vids on the subject. I'm not going to break TOS of forum to point to specific stuff you can find for yourself. As I said I have been seeing this obviously weird thing for years and just pretended like 'oh just a bug but who cares'. Then I looked it up and see that this cheat engine can do insane things like have you hover above the whole maelstrom arena map and walk to the last boss fight. And click a button for permanent inviso. Etc. Now stuff I have seen and didn't know what it was is making more sense.

I play the game for fun so don't really give a *** what other people do. But I do wonder why people who take the game so seriously seem to jump on the forum and try to dispute every thread that talks about exploits, bugs, cheesy tactics, hacks as if they don't exist. If I did some achievement in the game without cheating that I was proud of I would be a little upset that others cheated to get it not be defensive about it. Very strange.

Right, closing the eyes is not a solution, the more naïve believing that they do not exist does not solve the problem by magically way.
Raising a still subject, this is the only way to get any attention to problems in the game by ZOS. (like a DM queue)

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Merforum

Malpheus_Prime wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Do you know specific facts, or is this just some urban legend that gets passed around as fact? The ESO API does limit what players can know about incoming attacks. If there are bugs or exploits that bypass this, they need to be reported. If you are not just speculating because you think something like that must exist, have you reported it?

This, if it's available in the API it should be fair game for an Add-on. Otherwise why make it available.

WHAT, while I agree the devs should do everything possible to limit ability to cheat in the API, I don't think you understand how hard that is and possibly game breaking it is to do. They can't even figure out how to remove LA/AC from game. Currently it looks like permanent invisibility or camouflage and location (height etc) are client side and easily altered with cheat engine.

BTW as some have pointed out moving lots of stuff to server side may have introduced tons of LAG in the game but leaving stuff on client side allows cheat engines, so devs have a terrible balancing act which may be limited to what they can do without having to recode the whole system.

Sanctum74

It’s funny how people always reference a 5 year old video of someone flying, but can’t provide anything current or they don’t understand how a cheesy proc set, delayed abilities, or animation canceling works so it must be cheating or macros.

The real question is if cheating is so rampant then why do they only target the same 4 people on the forums and not the thousands of people that play daily?

MrMazurski

Merforum wrote: »

Malpheus_Prime wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Do you know specific facts, or is this just some urban legend that gets passed around as fact? The ESO API does limit what players can know about incoming attacks. If there are bugs or exploits that bypass this, they need to be reported. If you are not just speculating because you think something like that must exist, have you reported it?

This, if it's available in the API it should be fair game for an Add-on. Otherwise why make it available.

WHAT, while I agree the devs should do everything possible to limit ability to cheat in the API, I don't think you understand how hard that is and possibly game breaking it is to do. They can't even figure out how to remove LA/AC from game. Currently it looks like permanent invisibility or camouflage and location (height etc) are client side and easily altered with cheat engine.

BTW as some have pointed out moving lots of stuff to server side may have introduced tons of LAG in the game but leaving stuff on client side allows cheat engines, so devs have a terrible balancing act which may be limited to what they can do without having to recode the whole system.

This is one of the better solutions, but it doesn't solve the problem 100%. If it were that easy I think so many titles here in particular the FPS / shooters game would not be attacked by a cheater plague.
It turns out that server-side code is only as secure as the server. The only way to make a game almost perfectly secure is to have a server-side game constantly being monitored. But even that is not possible as packet injection and manipulation can occur. Most cheats can bypass anti-cheat programs by finding flaws in the system, tricking the anti-cheat program, and making it seem like no shady third-party cheats are running in the background.

kargen27

"then why were Miats addons are banned? Wierd what? too, there were just "addons""

They were not banned. The developers took steps within the game that made the add-on mostly useless. You can still use it.

MrMazurski

Sanctum74 wrote: »

The real question is if cheating is so rampant then why do they only target the same 4 people on the forums and not the thousands of people that play daily?

Please tell me which ones? Because that's my only topic about it.
Maybe a very small percentage of players use the forum for communication? like in any other game forum. I might as well compare it with only the same people still want DM queue. Yea no make sens.
maybe for this there is no normal reporting system? (even ignoring the lack of responses to them)

and many many other factors.

If you have a problem with finding a new video, just use google "eso cheat" you will find many videos from 2019-21.

About 359,000 results (0.20 seconds)

Pushing everything into server dynsc problems? This game would be more unplayable if it had such server problems. but it is not

Pevey

When I was working on improving my vma run times, I searched on YouTube for other vma clears. I came across a video of a guy showing off his cheat mod that he sells via his private discord. Out of curiosity, of course I looked around that discord to see what all it could do. A few interesting things(in my view):

1) users were strongly discouraged from using in PvP, though it was functional there. Most people positing seemed to be using it for arena and dungeon clears, where they felt they were much less likely to be caught and banned. From the length of time some of them had been posting, I would guess they were right. But who knows, sometimes enforcement actions come in waves, so there can be a sense of false security for a long time, so users beware.

2) the most abused exploits seemed to be positioning related. Running in air on no surface, for example. Or placing your character just below ground where they can’t be targeted, but where other players might not noticed anything amiss. (Not the character’s head below ground, but the bottom of the feet just below the surface to cause targeting issues). People were using this to run to the end boss in vma and clear it by using snipe being just below ground where they take no damage. I don’t know if they still do. This was a few months back, and I left the discord after I looked around.

3) and this is my favorite part. The maker/seller of the cheat had several YouTube videos demonstrating different functionality, which is how I stumbled onto it in the first place. One of his videos was demonstrating the ability to jump super high. He was in vvardenfell jumping completely over the rock formations. Apparently, this can be used to go to safe places in certain PVE content, where you can chip away at a boss but not take damage. Anyway, a random person notices what he is doing and whispers in chat, “lol, reported.” And the cheater writes back, “for what?” And the other guy says cheating. And the cheater totally gaslights the random person, saying his character is bugged. This is gold. This is what cheaters do. They try to make you believe you didn’t see what you know you just saw. The cheater could have been somewhere else to do the demo, in a private instance. But he was flaunting how confident he was that he wouldn’t get banned, and how easy it is to convince people you’re not cheating.

Merforum

MrMazurski wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

The real question is if cheating is so rampant then why do they only target the same 4 people on the forums and not the thousands of people that play daily?

Please tell me which ones? Because that's my only topic about it.
Maybe a very small percentage of players use the forum for communication? like in any other game forum. I might as well compare it with only the same people still want DM queue. Yea no make sens.
maybe for this there is no normal reporting system? (even ignoring the lack of responses to them)

and many many other factors.

If you have a problem with finding a new video, just use google "eso cheat" you will find many videos from 2019-21.

About 359,000 results (0.20 seconds)

Pushing everything into server dynsc problems? This game would be more unplayable if it had such server problems. but it is not

That is projection, beware the forum has a troll farm that insults anyone bringing up topics like this and defends this behavior or claims it doesn't exist. This is the first time I looked into it too. I actually don't care too much but these cheat engines can do some amazing things. Not too many people go around using the most extreme stuff but I have seen people totally disappear, not like in game cloak or potion, but just gone. And move very weirdly. And other stuff another poster described. Does it exist and is probably more than anyone will admit, YES. Does it affect my gameplay enough to care about it, NO or not that I know of.

Sephyr

Sanctum74 wrote: »

It’s funny how people always reference a 5 year old video of someone flying, but can’t provide anything current or they don’t understand how a cheesy proc set, delayed abilities, or animation canceling works so it must be cheating or macros.

The real question is if cheating is so rampant then why do they only target the same 4 people on the forums and not the thousands of people that play daily?

There was one I want to say either last year or so that had someone flying around after glitching themselves to have missile spam from the Assembly General in HoF, slaughtering people at the Grahtwood wayshrine one evening. Another video from last year shows another person flying outside of the map in vMA using a cheat trainer. I wouldn't say it's rampant, but it's present.

That said though, I PvP a lot and I've never ran into anything like that since the Great Meteor Storm five years ago.

xeNNNNN

There has been a problem with "cheating" for quite some time.

Originally there was Miats which basically told you when something nasty was coming your way before you would normally be able to react so you can avoid it with little difficulty. I am not sure if that addon has been fixed on the backend yet, on a glnce some of that functionality does seem to of been blocked (thankfully). I am not sure if its still in use by many people. There was a big chat a while back about the addon and whether it could be defined as cheating, I would say yes but thats just my opinion.

Right now?
Well the only cheaters I've noticed are the ones exploiting (a common and long standing issue in the game). Currently there is something to do with balorghs where you can get it permanently (I don't know how its done other than its a necromancer thing) I also know that it isn't just a visual bug just based on the damage dealt to the victim of it. What I do know is its ridiculous and people should be banned for using it.

The other is one that has been brought to my attention by friends regarding stealth attacks. Essentially the person never leaves stealth but manages to get off an elemental weapon/Crystal weapon hit + a light attack. On the death recap it will show around 20kish damage but the player on the receiving end will have more than 20k health so the finishing damage is missing. My guess is that this is a desync exploit allowing them to get off all their damage in a fraction of the second and it being that bad that even the death recap fails to register it all.

Exploiting is as much cheating as it is to use an ESP. It gains the individual an unfair advantage over all others that is not intended or is gained through a third party.

kargen27

MrMazurski wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

The real question is if cheating is so rampant then why do they only target the same 4 people on the forums and not the thousands of people that play daily?

Please tell me which ones? Because that's my only topic about it.
Maybe a very small percentage of players use the forum for communication? like in any other game forum. I might as well compare it with only the same people still want DM queue. Yea no make sens.
maybe for this there is no normal reporting system? (even ignoring the lack of responses to them)

and many many other factors.

If you have a problem with finding a new video, just use google "eso cheat" you will find many videos from 2019-21.

About 359,000 results (0.20 seconds)

Pushing everything into server dynsc problems? This game would be more unplayable if it had such server problems. but it is not

Of all those results very few were from 2019 or more recent based on the pages I looked at. Most the more recent ones were asking if something was a cheat or was a way to exploit the game. Exploit is not the same as cheating. There were a few videos all from the same place basically advertising a program that does allow for cheating.

TooWeak2Live

BTW, that's not theoretical, we've recently seen people using wall/terrain hacks in Cyrodiil.

maxjapank

Lol @ anyone trying to play semantics with exploiting vs. cheating.

NylAR

Cirantille wrote: »

milllaurie wrote: »

You could not believe how many times I have been called a cheater in pvp and I am not even that good.
Most of the times it is less experienced players, who take this game as RPG without the MMO part.
I can easily do a 30+ kills in low mmr bgs, I have soloed both of the opposing teams in the past. Does that make me a cheater?
A thing about dodging attacks. Many attacks have SOUND bound to them. For example you can hear a snipe coming and roll dodge it. You can easily hear incap. Javelin is super easy too. Leap is the easiest of them all. You could easily notice this if you turn the ingame music off. (again - people who take it as an rpg without the mmo part never turn the music down ). Your client (and you) already have the information about the incomming attack, you do not need addons for it .
I noticed the more frustrated a player is the more likely he is going to call you a cheater.

People don't even hear proxy and just stand there in keeps & resources

I'm surprised how can you not hear something like bomb ticks ringing in your ears

Majority of players just blast their favorite music over the game sound or even mute the game entirely.

kargen27

maxjapank wrote: »

Lol @ anyone trying to play semantics with exploiting vs. cheating.

Both are against the ToS and could get an account banned.

One is taking advantage of a known flaw in the game. For example there was a chest that was respawning almost immediately for a while. Some players camped it and farmed instead of reporting the problem. This would be exploitation.

Cheating would be something like running a script that causes a chest to respawn instantly. Same result different method.

It isn't semantics. It is two separate issues and both are covered in the terms of service agreement. Exploiting a flaw is not the same as cheating. Actually a fairly distinct difference.