ESO falling with cheaters?

MrMazurski

This mainly refers to Battlegrounds. Over the last month I have met more people who are 99% or 100% sure they cheated.

One of the easiest to spot is their magical ability to avoid any CC skill. Example from today: I am doing a Shield rush in the back of my opponent (I didn't see a person who had eyes on the back of his head and managed to catch it, in front of it ok it is possible.
And click before colliding with a player like that, he does a rolldodge, I repeat it on that person 5 times. And the same thing every time.
Every seven people could be stunted, but not this person.
Not to mention that the same player hit me with single target skill before he discovered me in stealth mode. (I drank the potion with invisibility.)

And such a situation happens more and more often in BG. And I don't play a lot of them, sometimes I will play maybe one or two during the day.

The more that we do not even have a normal report system. Not to mention that this person has already been reported by players including me, and then still appears on BG.

Will ZOS start doing something with such people? I don't think they care, and so does the multitude of bugs that prevent the player from playing.

For years, no normal system of reporting, repetitions, etc has been introduced which, however, would make it easier to catch such people. There aren't many of them, but the lack of any fight against them only makes matters worse, because more and more people will start to do so. Including the lack of any system for BG with leagues etc can get irritating if you hit High MMR. I can understand the annoyance but not the cheating.

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stybbe17b16_ESO

Pretty sure there is an addon for attack notifications that alarm you on incoming attacks. Probably why they can dodge from behind.

Like this one looks like it does it for shield charge
https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1545-MiatsPVPAlertsBattlegroundsEdition.html

And breaking stealth happens all the time. The combat is a spam fiesta and if you spam the correct skill you will always break it like gap closer or some aoe ability.

DaiKahn

stybbe17b16_ESO wrote: »

Pretty sure there is an addon for attack notifications that alarm you on incoming attacks. Probably why they can dodge from behind.

Like this one looks like it does it for shield charge
https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1545-MiatsPVPAlertsBattlegroundsEdition.html

And breaking stealth happens all the time. The combat is a spam fiesta and if you spam the correct skill you will always break it like gap closer or some aoe ability.

How does something like this exist? What happened to actual player skill and awareness of surrounding?

This addon comes across as literal cheating, or am I reading it wrong on it's page?

Ackwalan

DaiKahn wrote: »

stybbe17b16_ESO wrote: »

Pretty sure there is an addon for attack notifications that alarm you on incoming attacks. Probably why they can dodge from behind.

Like this one looks like it does it for shield charge


And breaking stealth happens all the time. The combat is a spam fiesta and if you spam the correct skill you will always break it like gap closer or some aoe ability.

How does something like this exist? What happened to actual player skill and awareness of surrounding?

This addon comes across as literal cheating, or am I reading it wrong on it's page?

You are not wrong. This is the public add-on, just imagine what the private (for friends only) add-ons can do.

Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo

We don't need addon's for battlegrounds or PvP - at least not for combat notifications.
Maybe these need to be looked at again and dealt with like Miat's was.

*gonna make some angries*

If you are using those addons to counter attacks -> It's bascially like you are using the addon PvE players use..Code's combat alerts.

Elsonso

Ackwalan wrote: »

You are not wrong. This is the public add-on, just imagine what the private (for friends only) add-ons can do.

Do you know specific facts, or is this just some urban legend that gets passed around as fact? The ESO API does limit what players can know about incoming attacks. If there are bugs or exploits that bypass this, they need to be reported. If you are not just speculating because you think something like that must exist, have you reported it?

techyeshic

stybbe17b16_ESO wrote: »

Pretty sure there is an addon for attack notifications that alarm you on incoming attacks. Probably why they can dodge from behind.

Like this one looks like it does it for shield charge
https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1545-MiatsPVPAlertsBattlegroundsEdition.html

And breaking stealth happens all the time. The combat is a spam fiesta and if you spam the correct skill you will always break it like gap closer or some aoe ability.

Most of the features listed on that page don't work and haven't for years because ZOS turned off the APIs that it looked for.

Ackwalan

Elsonso wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

You are not wrong. This is the public add-on, just imagine what the private (for friends only) add-ons can do.

Do you know specific facts, or is this just some urban legend that gets passed around as fact? The ESO API does limit what players can know about incoming attacks. If there are bugs or exploits that bypass this, they need to be reported. If you are not just speculating because you think something like that must exist, have you reported it?

The original author has made claims on these forums about what he release and what he doesn't.

jircris11

DaiKahn wrote: »

stybbe17b16_ESO wrote: »

Pretty sure there is an addon for attack notifications that alarm you on incoming attacks. Probably why they can dodge from behind.

Like this one looks like it does it for shield charge
https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1545-MiatsPVPAlertsBattlegroundsEdition.html

And breaking stealth happens all the time. The combat is a spam fiesta and if you spam the correct skill you will always break it like gap closer or some aoe ability.

How does something like this exist? What happened to actual player skill and awareness of surrounding?

This addon comes across as literal cheating, or am I reading it wrong on it's page?

This has been a pain for ages. The add on kills all awareness in a pvp match Iirc it use to be worse.

waterfairy

add ons are basically cheats

Fennwitty

I'm not saying everyone play fair, but it *is* possible to dodge roll a charge coming from behind.

You can maintain awareness of what's behind you by spinning the camera independent of your movement and keeping the camera zoomed out to max.

When you know or suspect someone's following you you can also roll dodge the moment they appear at the edge of your screen -- on the safe assumption they're gap closing.

alberichtano

Vigarr wrote: »

add ons are basically cheats

That is awfully general... a lot of addons are for QoL, nothing more. Wether there are addons that are cheaty, I wouldn't know. I can safely say I don't use any such, as I die more often than not in PvP. :-P

OlumoGarbag

Oh boy here we go again. "I don't know how certain mechanics work so it must be cheating"
Almost no players ever cheat in PvP. And why would you? You can just play the most meta build and be better then the rest.

Iarao

stybbe17b16_ESO wrote: »

Pretty sure there is an addon for attack notifications that alarm you on incoming attacks. Probably why they can dodge from behind.

Like this one looks like it does it for shield charge
https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1545-MiatsPVPAlertsBattlegroundsEdition.html

And breaking stealth happens all the time. The combat is a spam fiesta and if you spam the correct skill you will always break it like gap closer or some aoe ability.

i thought zos banned a lot of miat's stuff like this?

Sephyr

Iarao wrote: »

stybbe17b16_ESO wrote: »

Pretty sure there is an addon for attack notifications that alarm you on incoming attacks. Probably why they can dodge from behind.

Like this one looks like it does it for shield charge
https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1545-MiatsPVPAlertsBattlegroundsEdition.html

And breaking stealth happens all the time. The combat is a spam fiesta and if you spam the correct skill you will always break it like gap closer or some aoe ability.

i thought zos banned a lot of miat's stuff like this?

ZoS closed a lot of functionality of certain things through the API, but rumor has it that there are others according to the claims of specific addon creators, vaguely referenced above in the thread.

Edit: Whether true or not, I don't know. I stopped paying attention to things like that when keeps and outposts started to turn into slideshows despite having better than the recommended requirements of hardware to run the game.

waterfairy

alberichtano wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

add ons are basically cheats

That is awfully general... a lot of addons are for QoL, nothing more. Wether there are addons that are cheaty, I wouldn't know. I can safely say I don't use any such, as I die more often than not in PvP. :-P

anything that aids your game or makes things easier is basically a cheat, especially in an online game where if others don't use it they're at a disadvantage. Even something that helps you with housing can be considered cheating in a contest against a player who uses vanilla means

MrMazurski

stybbe17b16_ESO wrote: »

Pretty sure there is an addon for attack notifications that alarm you on incoming attacks. Probably why they can dodge from behind.

Like this one looks like it does it for shield charge
https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1545-MiatsPVPAlertsBattlegroundsEdition.html

And breaking stealth happens all the time. The combat is a spam fiesta and if you spam the correct skill you will always break it like gap closer or some aoe ability.

I know about the existence of this abomination, which should never arise which are really cheating. Even further if such addon works on a simple basis as PVE its equivalent "hodor reflexes" or another sheet, we will not be able to avoid 100% for whole game.

I do not play this game from today, and nobody has ever attacked Single Target Skill before the discovery. If you want to Spoting Enemy in hiding, you use AOE, not Single Target.

Fennwitty wrote: »

I'm not saying everyone play fair, but it *is* possible to dodge roll a charge coming from behind.

You can maintain awareness of what's behind you by spinning the camera independent of your movement and keeping the camera zoomed out to max.

When you know or suspect someone's following you you can also roll dodge the moment they appear at the edge of your screen -- on the safe assumption they're gap closing.

I do not know how much you would have to wave a camera, collect information in chaos of BG to avoid 100% skilli withC C? I don't think you can avoid CC like shield rush 1m away from you. And he did it without problems.

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

Oh boy here we go again. "I don't know how certain mechanics work so it must be cheating"
Almost no players ever cheat in PvP. And why would you? You can just play the most meta build and be better then the rest.

Do you think people don't cheat? You probably saw little. Take a look at other games like shooting games where cheater plagues exist. Do you think ESO are or other MMORPGs free from them? I dont thinks so.

the finish line has nothing to avoid. I know a mechnik in this game, but people who can dodge 100% throughout the match are simply impossible. It's like people in CS: GO or any other shooter who have a surprisingly high 100% headshot score,. Yea sound like real skill?

For example, a player whom I met once with a random group in IC. He was able to avoid CC, 90% attacks, running, made 6 Rolldodge in a row.
So this guy dealt with a 10-person group and no one could put any CC on him. Sounds like he did not cheat? I do not think so.

Vigarr wrote: »

alberichtano wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

add ons are basically cheats

That is awfully general... a lot of addons are for QoL, nothing more. Wether there are addons that are cheaty, I wouldn't know. I can safely say I don't use any such, as I die more often than not in PvP. :-P

anything that aids your game or makes things easier is basically a cheat, especially in an online game where if others don't use it they're at a disadvantage. Even something that helps you with housing can be considered cheating in a contest against a player who uses vanilla means

There are only things that affect the fight against the player, and addons that don't break it. And accepted by players

Elsonso

Ackwalan wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

You are not wrong. This is the public add-on, just imagine what the private (for friends only) add-ons can do.

Do you know specific facts, or is this just some urban legend that gets passed around as fact? The ESO API does limit what players can know about incoming attacks. If there are bugs or exploits that bypass this, they need to be reported. If you are not just speculating because you think something like that must exist, have you reported it?

The original author has made claims on these forums about what he release and what he doesn't.

Just to be clear... Add-ons can only tell that an attack is coming because the game tells the add-on that an attack is coming. A lot of that has changed since the original author stopped updating that add-on and ZOS is not making as much of that information available to the add-ons. I am not going to say that there isn't some private version with an exploit that people have found, but if there is, it is likely something that ZOS would want to know about.

Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo

Fennwitty wrote: »

I'm not saying everyone play fair, but it *is* possible to dodge roll a charge coming from behind.

You can maintain awareness of what's behind you by spinning the camera independent of your movement and keeping the camera zoomed out to max.

When you know or suspect someone's following you you can also roll dodge the moment they appear at the edge of your screen -- on the safe assumption they're gap closing.

Well yeah if you've played enough you know that enemies are going to keep attacking you as you back away, so you can roll, but in some respects especially when I play NB myself I've noticed that they use it - they'll even dodge a gank with a lot of noise around them.

drunkendx

MrMazurski wrote: »

One of the easiest to spot is their magical ability to avoid any CC skill. Example from today: I am doing a Shield rush in the back of my opponent (I didn't see a person who had eyes on the back of his head and managed to catch it, in front of it ok it is possible.
And click before colliding with a player like that, he does a rolldodge, I repeat it on that person 5 times. And the same thing every time.
Every seven people could be stunted, but not this person.
Not to mention that the same player hit me with single target skill before he discovered me in stealth mode. (I drank the potion with invisibility.)

OP...

i hate PVP with passion, but I still think you're BS-ing here...

Even PVP scrub like me knows how to rotate camera in 3rd person mode, and how to use detect pots...

Gave quite a surprise to several EP stalkers last MYM when I jumped on them while they've been stealthed,..

Alucardo

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

Oh boy here we go again. "I don't know how certain mechanics work so it must be cheating"
Almost no players ever cheat in PvP. And why would you? You can just play the most meta build and be better then the rest.

Welllll, I'm almost certain I ran into one the other day (though I didn't bother reporting in case it was a bug). I have a low health build, but with close to 8k weapon damage and lots of pen. It can shred 30k+ tanks in 2 hits. I unloaded everything I had onto this nightblade, including a dawnbreaker (24k tooltip). They were on the ground taking zero damage - 100% health the entire time. We fought for about 5 seconds before they wiped me out, still jumping around with full health.
Pretty demoralizing stuff.

MrMazurski

drunkendx wrote: »

MrMazurski wrote: »

One of the easiest to spot is their magical ability to avoid any CC skill. Example from today: I am doing a Shield rush in the back of my opponent (I didn't see a person who had eyes on the back of his head and managed to catch it, in front of it ok it is possible.
And click before colliding with a player like that, he does a rolldodge, I repeat it on that person 5 times. And the same thing every time.
Every seven people could be stunted, but not this person.
Not to mention that the same player hit me with single target skill before he discovered me in stealth mode. (I drank the potion with invisibility.)

OP...

i hate PVP with passion, but I still think you're BS-ing here...

Even PVP scrub like me knows how to rotate camera in 3rd person mode, and how to use detect pots...

Gave quite a surprise to several EP stalkers last MYM when I jumped on them while they've been stealthed,..

I don't think you are constantly zooming 360 degrees during a fight etc. You are not able to avoid 100% skills, although it is not known what pvp god you would be and how closely connected to these lame servers.

And I started this topic not to blame people, but to highlight a problem that will eventually start to grow. No, ESO is not free from cheaters, but as I can see, a lot of people think we are a true paradise free from these kinds of things.

Ippokrates

MrMazurski wrote: »

drunkendx wrote: »

MrMazurski wrote: »

One of the easiest to spot is their magical ability to avoid any CC skill. Example from today: I am doing a Shield rush in the back of my opponent (I didn't see a person who had eyes on the back of his head and managed to catch it, in front of it ok it is possible.
And click before colliding with a player like that, he does a rolldodge, I repeat it on that person 5 times. And the same thing every time.
Every seven people could be stunted, but not this person.
Not to mention that the same player hit me with single target skill before he discovered me in stealth mode. (I drank the potion with invisibility.)

OP...

i hate PVP with passion, but I still think you're BS-ing here...

Even PVP scrub like me knows how to rotate camera in 3rd person mode, and how to use detect pots...

Gave quite a surprise to several EP stalkers last MYM when I jumped on them while they've been stealthed,..

I don't think you are constantly zooming 360 degrees during a fight etc. You are not able to avoid 100% skills, although it is not known what pvp god you would be and how closely connected to these lame servers.

And I started this topic not to blame people, but to highlight a problem that will eventually start to grow. No, ESO is not free from cheaters, but as I can see, a lot of people think we are a true paradise free from these kinds of things.

Yeah, you do, when fighting alone in close areas like IC.

Also, FG/MG crit skills are quite useful for detection, especially when you want to save pot cooldown for immovability (although i am mainly using them on my pve alts while leveling for TC)

And yeah, people could use a lot of addons or poor-balanced sets in ESO - that is why, except tournaments with massive limitations, there is no point to invest yourself in pvp. Just take hammer, get emperor and enjoy title & new colour at outfit station XD

OlumoGarbag

Alucardo wrote: »

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

Oh boy here we go again. "I don't know how certain mechanics work so it must be cheating"
Almost no players ever cheat in PvP. And why would you? You can just play the most meta build and be better then the rest.

Welllll, I'm almost certain I ran into one the other day (though I didn't bother reporting in case it was a bug). I have a low health build, but with close to 8k weapon damage and lots of pen. It can shred 30k+ tanks in 2 hits. I unloaded everything I had onto this nightblade, including a dawnbreaker (24k tooltip). They were on the ground taking zero damage - 100% health the entire time. We fought for about 5 seconds before they wiped me out, still jumping around with full health.
Pretty demoralizing stuff.

If its one of those russian, "below ground" cheaters. Thats known for while, they somehow exploit being below ground, flying etc. But normally there are close to 0 cheaters. Ive never once met someone who couldnt be killed. And why would you cheat if your not getting immortal.

There are so many mechanics and server side bugs in the game that seem like cheating for example:
- positional desyncs where your enemy appears to be hit but was like 10m away
- stamsorc ganks have invalid locations, the attack seems to come from behind even when they are not also the game cant register all 4 skills used for the gank so it looks like you get killed by 7k cristal weapons and nothing else
- invinsible jabbs from animation desyn
- healthbar desync + instant death at full health
- people that crashed but their chars are still visible yet not attackable

And much more. Almost anything can be a "cheat" if your new to pvp

Túrin_Vidsmidr

stybbe17b16_ESO wrote: »

Like this one looks like it does it for shield charge
https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1545-MiatsPVPAlertsBattlegroundsEdition.html

Well this explains it why I had to stop using templar javelin, it's become completely useless as fleeing players always knew what I'm casting before the animation started. How is this *** even allowed? This goes waaay beyond mere graphics or QoL improvements!

Arunei

Vigarr wrote: »

alberichtano wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

add ons are basically cheats

That is awfully general... a lot of addons are for QoL, nothing more. Wether there are addons that are cheaty, I wouldn't know. I can safely say I don't use any such, as I die more often than not in PvP. :-P

anything that aids your game or makes things easier is basically a cheat, especially in an online game where if others don't use it they're at a disadvantage. Even something that helps you with housing can be considered cheating in a contest against a player who uses vanilla means

I'm sorry but...what is this logic? QoL addons are not cheating and I honestly don't understand the thinking that arrives at the conclusion that they are. If I use an addon that helps me do my crafting faster, how is anyone that doesn't use that at a "disadvantage"? Is there some kind of competition for getting daily writs done faster I'm not aware of? Or an increased reward for people who use addons for it? People who opt not to use the addons aren't at any kind of disadvantage other than their crafting taking a little longer, but like...in what way are they actually at any sort of disadvantage?

Housing addons? Most of what those do is just allowing for easier/better placement of things, especially in large numbers, like when you're building houses from scratch and have a lot of tiles to put down for floors or something. That's not cheating, it's something you can do by hand, but takes a lot of time and patience (and frustration as well, because even with the Precision Edit system, it's kind of limited in fine-tuning in some cases). Circumventing all that isn't cheating, and it feels like a stretch to cite "housing contests" as proof that QoL addons are 'cheating'.

Also you're disregarding the fact that on PC, people have the option of using addons or not using them. It's not like only certain elite people can use them and everyone else has to suffer without. On PC, everyone can use them if they want. On console, there aren't any addons at all, and crossplay between platforms isn't possible, so it's not like PC players who have addons are competing with console people who literally have no access to them.

And at the end of the day, obviously ZOS doesn't feel that addons are cheating, seeing as they allow them in the first place, and edit what addon creators can access when it comes to the API if they feel any given addon *is* cheaty. If ZOS hasn't blocked the function of X or Y addon, it's safe to assume they don't consider its existence and use cheating in any capacity (so long as the addon has actually existed long enough to be reported and inspected if people suspect it's a problem, obviously; ZOS isn't going to know any specific addon is problematic the second it's released).

And as for the OP, I don't PvP, but I'm fairly certain most people in PvP play in 3rd person. It's entirely possible for someone to be zoomed out all the way and have their 3rd person FoV turned up all the way, and to constantly move their camera around to watch for enemy players trying to come up on them. There are also things like Detect Pots that work through invisibility, which would account for you being found and hit with the single-target move. And there are *also* there are moves that can "mark" you; if you got hit by one of those, it might have prevented your invisibility pot from actually working.

Amottica

Vigarr wrote: »

alberichtano wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

add ons are basically cheats

That is awfully general... a lot of addons are for QoL, nothing more. Wether there are addons that are cheaty, I wouldn't know. I can safely say I don't use any such, as I die more often than not in PvP. :-P

anything that aids your game or makes things easier is basically a cheat, especially in an online game where if others don't use it they're at a disadvantage. Even something that helps you with housing can be considered cheating in a contest against a player who uses vanilla means

This is not correct. If it is condoned and even requested then it is not a cheat. Further, Zenimax controls what information add-ons have access to. This makes add-ons that use the API very legitimate by definition.

This is not to say there are third-party software that works outside of the system such as a cheat engine, but that is not an addon as we use that term in ESO.

To OP, you need to report this properly. Most of our machines can grab video from the last few minutes of gameplay allowing us to grab such actions after the fact. I expect Zenimax would need character names, server, and platform, as well as other interesting details such as actions and where this happened.

davidtk

Fennwitty wrote: »

I'm not saying everyone play fair, but it *is* possible to dodge roll a charge coming from behind.

You can maintain awareness of what's behind you by spinning the camera independent of your movement and keeping the camera zoomed out to max.

When you know or suspect someone's following you you can also roll dodge the moment they appear at the edge of your screen -- on the safe assumption they're gap closing.

Yee I remember that i roll doged several nightblades stealth attacks in cyro... Just something told me that he will attack me behind. Sixth sense or expectation or simply coincidence, whatever. Ofc i knew that he is there because i saw someone, so i maximized my awareness
I am sometimes very upset from BG or globaly from PvP just because enemy using better set in better quality and knows much better mechanics than me. I enjoying Pvp only several months, there are ppl who doing pvp several years and know how to move and how to properly use builds...

barney2525

alberichtano wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

add ons are basically cheats

That is awfully general... a lot of addons are for QoL, nothing more. Wether there are addons that are cheaty, I wouldn't know. I can safely say I don't use any such, as I die more often than not in PvP. :-P

Just because its for QoL does Not mean it should not be classified as a Cheat. Baldur's Gate - Explore Area() - poof, I can see the whole map. That's QoL ... AND ... that's a Cheat.

QoL addons, which I use in PvE extensively, are Cheats. I know exactly Where that skyshard, or lorebook or Mundus stone or special destination is. They make the game much less frustrating. They should be fine for any PvE gaming.

Now, when it comes to PvP, THAT's where the rub is. You see, people don't want to have to Earn a victory, the way the game was designed.

They just want to be able to say they won.

MrMazurski

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

Oh boy here we go again. "I don't know how certain mechanics work so it must be cheating"
Almost no players ever cheat in PvP. And why would you? You can just play the most meta build and be better then the rest.

Welllll, I'm almost certain I ran into one the other day (though I didn't bother reporting in case it was a bug). I have a low health build, but with close to 8k weapon damage and lots of pen. It can shred 30k+ tanks in 2 hits. I unloaded everything I had onto this nightblade, including a dawnbreaker (24k tooltip). They were on the ground taking zero damage - 100% health the entire time. We fought for about 5 seconds before they wiped me out, still jumping around with full health.
Pretty demoralizing stuff.

If its one of those russian, "below ground" cheaters. Thats known for while, they somehow exploit being below ground, flying etc. But normally there are close to 0 cheaters. Ive never once met someone who couldnt be killed. And why would you cheat if your not getting immortal.

There are so many mechanics and server side bugs in the game that seem like cheating for example:
- positional desyncs where your enemy appears to be hit but was like 10m away
- stamsorc ganks have invalid locations, the attack seems to come from behind even when they are not also the game cant register all 4 skills used for the gank so it looks like you get killed by 7k cristal weapons and nothing else
- invinsible jabbs from animation desyn
- healthbar desync + instant death at full health
- people that crashed but their chars are still visible yet not attackable

And much more. Almost anything can be a "cheat" if your new to pvp

1. I have been playing with my brother since 2016, with breaks, MMORPGs take too much time and there are other titles that I also wanted to play. I like ESO, I know the problems that have plagued this game for years.
2. Pushing everything into game problems? WHAT? Some matters are not even explained by the bad performance of this game. I mostly play Cyro now, BG left a long time ago, but still the things you describe mostly happen on Cyro during peak times, not BG. Mostly.
3. "If its one of those russian, "below ground" cheaters." (I'm not a Russian myself) but this is one of the most ignorant sentences I've seen on this forum.

Ippokrates wrote: »

MrMazurski wrote: »

drunkendx wrote: »

MrMazurski wrote: »

One of the easiest to spot is their magical ability to avoid any CC skill. Example from today: I am doing a Shield rush in the back of my opponent (I didn't see a person who had eyes on the back of his head and managed to catch it, in front of it ok it is possible.
And click before colliding with a player like that, he does a rolldodge, I repeat it on that person 5 times. And the same thing every time.
Every seven people could be stunted, but not this person.
Not to mention that the same player hit me with single target skill before he discovered me in stealth mode. (I drank the potion with invisibility.)

OP...

i hate PVP with passion, but I still think you're BS-ing here...

Even PVP scrub like me knows how to rotate camera in 3rd person mode, and how to use detect pots...

Gave quite a surprise to several EP stalkers last MYM when I jumped on them while they've been stealthed,..

I don't think you are constantly zooming 360 degrees during a fight etc. You are not able to avoid 100% skills, although it is not known what pvp god you would be and how closely connected to these lame servers.

And I started this topic not to blame people, but to highlight a problem that will eventually start to grow. No, ESO is not free from cheaters, but as I can see, a lot of people think we are a true paradise free from these kinds of things.

Yeah, you do, when fighting alone in close areas like IC.

Also, FG/MG crit skills are quite useful for detection, especially when you want to save pot cooldown for immovability (although i am mainly using them on my pve alts while leveling for TC)

And yeah, people could use a lot of addons or poor-balanced sets in ESO - that is why, except tournaments with massive limitations, there is no point to invest yourself in pvp. Just take hammer, get emperor and enjoy title & new colour at outfit station XD

I would like to see it as during the fight, especially in the current finish line with very high burst dmg, you keep an eye on the opponent and at the same time the whole environment around you.

How many times can this be repeated. If someone detects you, the game will inform you about it. Yes dots can guide you to a hidden spot by displaying dmg, but it's still hitting an invisible target by SINGLE TARGET SKILL before being detected.

Are you guys playing the same game, I doubt it. (YEA YEA BAIT)

you express yourself as if you were gods top3 pvp, which I doubt very much

Chelo

This seen like another l2p thread... Also if you guys don't like add-ons, go play on console where everyone have the same UI, same hardware and basically same performance.