ESO falling with cheaters?

milllaurie

You could not believe how many times I have been called a cheater in pvp and I am not even that good.
Most of the times it is less experienced players, who take this game as RPG without the MMO part.
I can easily do a 30+ kills in low mmr bgs, I have soloed both of the opposing teams in the past. Does that make me a cheater?
A thing about dodging attacks. Many attacks have SOUND bound to them. For example you can hear a snipe coming and roll dodge it. You can easily hear incap. Javelin is super easy too. Leap is the easiest of them all. You could easily notice this if you turn the ingame music off. (again - people who take it as an rpg without the mmo part never turn the music down ). Your client (and you) already have the information about the incomming attack, you do not need addons for it .
I noticed the more frustrated a player is the more likely he is going to call you a cheater.

Togal

Everything is server side nowadays, you can't hop on cheat engine or any scripting software to impact the game. They are just better than you thats how the cycle works, If I lose usually its to a better player that has more experience. Youll be surprised how many people call veterans cheaters, its insane. Also using macros gives you a disadvantage since you can't react to different situations. Please stop calling people cheaters, they just really enjoy the game and put in more effort than others.

Marcus_Aurelius

Essence of Immovabiliy
Bugloss-Mountain Flower-Namira Root
Restore 8400 Health
Restore 7500 Stamina + Major Endurance
Become immune to knockback and disabling effects for 10 seconds.

Escapist’s Poison IX
Columbine-Mountain Flower-Wormwood
Immobilioze target and grant unstoppable for 1.6sec
Deal 1260 poison damage and restore 1290 health per sec for 1.6sec
Increase cost of stamina abilities by 10% and restore 240 stam per sec for 2.3 secs

zelaminator

barney2525 wrote: »

alberichtano wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

add ons are basically cheats

That is awfully general... a lot of addons are for QoL, nothing more. Wether there are addons that are cheaty, I wouldn't know. I can safely say I don't use any such, as I die more often than not in PvP. :-P

Just because its for QoL does Not mean it should not be classified as a Cheat. Baldur's Gate - Explore Area() - poof, I can see the whole map. That's QoL ... AND ... that's a Cheat.

QoL addons, which I use in PvE extensively, are Cheats. I know exactly Where that skyshard, or lorebook or Mundus stone or special destination is. They make the game much less frustrating. They should be fine for any PvE gaming.

Now, when it comes to PvP, THAT's where the rub is. You see, people don't want to have to Earn a victory, the way the game was designed.

They just want to be able to say they won.

[snip] Your idea of what a cheat is, is super weird..

[edited for baiting]

OlumoGarbag

karekiz wrote: »

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

Oh boy here we go again. "I don't know how certain mechanics work so it must be cheating"
Almost no players ever cheat in PvP. And why would you? You can just play the most meta build and be better then the rest.

[snip]

So you need an hack to aim your light attacks? [snip]
Eso is NOT a FPS. Besides they moved almost any calculation Serverside so most things are already hack proof.

However there are some rare occasions of cheating exploiting out of map and flying but those are very very easy to detect.

[edited for flaming & re-quoting]

Ippokrates

MrMazurski wrote: »

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

Oh boy here we go again. "I don't know how certain mechanics work so it must be cheating"
Almost no players ever cheat in PvP. And why would you? You can just play the most meta build and be better then the rest.

Welllll, I'm almost certain I ran into one the other day (though I didn't bother reporting in case it was a bug). I have a low health build, but with close to 8k weapon damage and lots of pen. It can shred 30k+ tanks in 2 hits. I unloaded everything I had onto this nightblade, including a dawnbreaker (24k tooltip). They were on the ground taking zero damage - 100% health the entire time. We fought for about 5 seconds before they wiped me out, still jumping around with full health.
Pretty demoralizing stuff.

If its one of those russian, "below ground" cheaters. Thats known for while, they somehow exploit being below ground, flying etc. But normally there are close to 0 cheaters. Ive never once met someone who couldnt be killed. And why would you cheat if your not getting immortal.

There are so many mechanics and server side bugs in the game that seem like cheating for example:
- positional desyncs where your enemy appears to be hit but was like 10m away
- stamsorc ganks have invalid locations, the attack seems to come from behind even when they are not also the game cant register all 4 skills used for the gank so it looks like you get killed by 7k cristal weapons and nothing else
- invinsible jabbs from animation desyn
- healthbar desync + instant death at full health
- people that crashed but their chars are still visible yet not attackable

And much more. Almost anything can be a "cheat" if your new to pvp

1. I have been playing with my brother since 2016, with breaks, MMORPGs take too much time and there are other titles that I also wanted to play. I like ESO, I know the problems that have plagued this game for years.
2. Pushing everything into game problems? WHAT? Some matters are not even explained by the bad performance of this game. I mostly play Cyro now, BG left a long time ago, but still the things you describe mostly happen on Cyro during peak times, not BG. Mostly.
3. "If its one of those russian, "below ground" cheaters." (I'm not a Russian myself) but this is one of the most ignorant sentences I've seen on this forum.

Ippokrates wrote: »

MrMazurski wrote: »

drunkendx wrote: »

MrMazurski wrote: »

One of the easiest to spot is their magical ability to avoid any CC skill. Example from today: I am doing a Shield rush in the back of my opponent (I didn't see a person who had eyes on the back of his head and managed to catch it, in front of it ok it is possible.
And click before colliding with a player like that, he does a rolldodge, I repeat it on that person 5 times. And the same thing every time.
Every seven people could be stunted, but not this person.
Not to mention that the same player hit me with single target skill before he discovered me in stealth mode. (I drank the potion with invisibility.)

OP...

i hate PVP with passion, but I still think you're BS-ing here...

Even PVP scrub like me knows how to rotate camera in 3rd person mode, and how to use detect pots...

Gave quite a surprise to several EP stalkers last MYM when I jumped on them while they've been stealthed,..

I don't think you are constantly zooming 360 degrees during a fight etc. You are not able to avoid 100% skills, although it is not known what pvp god you would be and how closely connected to these lame servers.

And I started this topic not to blame people, but to highlight a problem that will eventually start to grow. No, ESO is not free from cheaters, but as I can see, a lot of people think we are a true paradise free from these kinds of things.

Yeah, you do, when fighting alone in close areas like IC.

Also, FG/MG crit skills are quite useful for detection, especially when you want to save pot cooldown for immovability (although i am mainly using them on my pve alts while leveling for TC)

And yeah, people could use a lot of addons or poor-balanced sets in ESO - that is why, except tournaments with massive limitations, there is no point to invest yourself in pvp. Just take hammer, get emperor and enjoy title & new colour at outfit station XD

I would like to see it as during the fight, especially in the current finish line with very high burst dmg, you keep an eye on the opponent and at the same time the whole environment around you.

How many times can this be repeated. If someone detects you, the game will inform you about it. Yes dots can guide you to a hidden spot by displaying dmg, but it's still hitting an invisible target by SINGLE TARGET SKILL before being detected.

Are you guys playing the same game, I doubt it. (YEA YEA BAIT)

you express yourself as if you were gods top3 pvp, which I doubt very much

Well, during last month I got Grand Overlord killer achievement on 3 of my Alts, but sure, I am not in the top because I DON'T CARE and surely I would not spend hundreds of hours on grinding those precious little points because I have better things to do with my life.

Also, I do not cry over forum how everyone around cheating because I have an imagination and therefore I see more explanation than one to my failure. And I know how to learn from mistakes and do better next time.

Which lead us to the next point - if you are charging on enemy without knowledge about surroundings, you putting yourself at risk. And If you are chasing vixer without enough skills to also control the surroundings, well... Maybe pvp is not for you. Which is fine. You can always focus on furnishing. Oh, wait, people also cheating there, using bots to collect stuff... XD

MrMazurski

Really think before writing anything and pushing it all to the sound, servers etc.

milllaurie wrote: »

You could not believe how many times I have been called a cheater in pvp and I am not even that good.
Most of the times it is less experienced players, who take this game as RPG without the MMO part.
I can easily do a 30+ kills in low mmr bgs, I have soloed both of the opposing teams in the past. Does that make me a cheater?
A thing about dodging attacks. Many attacks have SOUND bound to them. For example you can hear a snipe coming and roll dodge it. You can easily hear incap. Javelin is super easy too. Leap is the easiest of them all. You could easily notice this if you turn the ingame music off. (again - people who take it as an rpg without the mmo part never turn the music down ). Your client (and you) already have the information about the incomming attack, you do not need addons for it .
I noticed the more frustrated a player is the more likely he is going to call you a cheater.

Please. On low mmr you can do anything you want. Even running around in the most troll bulid.

My account, especially most of the main characters, is stuck with a high MMR. Yes, this is the place where you meet 50% of the magsorc of the population.

From your writing it can be concluded that you really play little PvP yourself.

If you are stunting the other 7 opponents, but this one dodges 100% against any CC of yours and even the opponent's, always sounds okay at the same time?

what has a high KD ratio to avoid 100% CC skills? Yea nothing.

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

karekiz wrote: »

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

Oh boy here we go again. "I don't know how certain mechanics work so it must be cheating"
Almost no players ever cheat in PvP. And why would you? You can just play the most meta build and be better then the rest.

HaHaHaHaHaHa

I mean I am suuuuure nobody hacks in FPS games. I mean, you could just play better right?

So you need an hack to aim your light attacks? [snip]

Eso is NOT a FPS. Besides they moved almost any calculation Serverside so most things are already hack proof.

However there are some rare occasions of cheating exploiting out of map and flying but those are very very easy to detect.

You think this game really is hacker free. God

Ippokrates wrote: »

MrMazurski wrote: »

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

Oh boy here we go again. "I don't know how certain mechanics work so it must be cheating"
Almost no players ever cheat in PvP. And why would you? You can just play the most meta build and be better then the rest.

Welllll, I'm almost certain I ran into one the other day (though I didn't bother reporting in case it was a bug). I have a low health build, but with close to 8k weapon damage and lots of pen. It can shred 30k+ tanks in 2 hits. I unloaded everything I had onto this nightblade, including a dawnbreaker (24k tooltip). They were on the ground taking zero damage - 100% health the entire time. We fought for about 5 seconds before they wiped me out, still jumping around with full health.
Pretty demoralizing stuff.

If its one of those russian, "below ground" cheaters. Thats known for while, they somehow exploit being below ground, flying etc. But normally there are close to 0 cheaters. Ive never once met someone who couldnt be killed. And why would you cheat if your not getting immortal.

There are so many mechanics and server side bugs in the game that seem like cheating for example:
- positional desyncs where your enemy appears to be hit but was like 10m away
- stamsorc ganks have invalid locations, the attack seems to come from behind even when they are not also the game cant register all 4 skills used for the gank so it looks like you get killed by 7k cristal weapons and nothing else
- invinsible jabbs from animation desyn
- healthbar desync + instant death at full health
- people that crashed but their chars are still visible yet not attackable

And much more. Almost anything can be a "cheat" if your new to pvp

1. I have been playing with my brother since 2016, with breaks, MMORPGs take too much time and there are other titles that I also wanted to play. I like ESO, I know the problems that have plagued this game for years.
2. Pushing everything into game problems? WHAT? Some matters are not even explained by the bad performance of this game. I mostly play Cyro now, BG left a long time ago, but still the things you describe mostly happen on Cyro during peak times, not BG. Mostly.
3. "If its one of those russian, "below ground" cheaters." (I'm not a Russian myself) but this is one of the most ignorant sentences I've seen on this forum.

Ippokrates wrote: »

MrMazurski wrote: »

drunkendx wrote: »

MrMazurski wrote: »

One of the easiest to spot is their magical ability to avoid any CC skill. Example from today: I am doing a Shield rush in the back of my opponent (I didn't see a person who had eyes on the back of his head and managed to catch it, in front of it ok it is possible.
And click before colliding with a player like that, he does a rolldodge, I repeat it on that person 5 times. And the same thing every time.
Every seven people could be stunted, but not this person.
Not to mention that the same player hit me with single target skill before he discovered me in stealth mode. (I drank the potion with invisibility.)

OP...

i hate PVP with passion, but I still think you're BS-ing here...

Even PVP scrub like me knows how to rotate camera in 3rd person mode, and how to use detect pots...

Gave quite a surprise to several EP stalkers last MYM when I jumped on them while they've been stealthed,..

I don't think you are constantly zooming 360 degrees during a fight etc. You are not able to avoid 100% skills, although it is not known what pvp god you would be and how closely connected to these lame servers.

And I started this topic not to blame people, but to highlight a problem that will eventually start to grow. No, ESO is not free from cheaters, but as I can see, a lot of people think we are a true paradise free from these kinds of things.

Yeah, you do, when fighting alone in close areas like IC.

Also, FG/MG crit skills are quite useful for detection, especially when you want to save pot cooldown for immovability (although i am mainly using them on my pve alts while leveling for TC)

And yeah, people could use a lot of addons or poor-balanced sets in ESO - that is why, except tournaments with massive limitations, there is no point to invest yourself in pvp. Just take hammer, get emperor and enjoy title & new colour at outfit station XD

I would like to see it as during the fight, especially in the current finish line with very high burst dmg, you keep an eye on the opponent and at the same time the whole environment around you.

How many times can this be repeated. If someone detects you, the game will inform you about it. Yes dots can guide you to a hidden spot by displaying dmg, but it's still hitting an invisible target by SINGLE TARGET SKILL before being detected.

Are you guys playing the same game, I doubt it. (YEA YEA BAIT)

you express yourself as if you were gods top3 pvp, which I doubt very much

Well, during last month I got Grand Overlord killer achievement on 3 of my Alts, but sure, I am not in the top because I DON'T CARE and surely I would not spend hundreds of hours on grinding those precious little points because I have better things to do with my life.

Also, I do not cry over forum how everyone around cheating because I have an imagination and therefore I see more explanation than one to my failure. And I know how to learn from mistakes and do better next time.

Which lead us to the next point - if you are charging on enemy without knowledge about surroundings, you putting yourself at risk. And If you are chasing vixer without enough skills to also control the surroundings, well... Maybe pvp is not for you. Which is fine. You can always focus on furnishing. Oh, wait, people also cheating there, using bots to collect stuff... XD

[snip]

[edited to remove quote & for baiting]

MrMazurski

Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »

Essence of Immovabiliy
Bugloss-Mountain Flower-Namira Root
Restore 8400 Health
Restore 7500 Stamina + Major Endurance
Become immune to knockback and disabling effects for 10 seconds.

Escapist’s Poison IX
Columbine-Mountain Flower-Wormwood
Immobilioze target and grant unstoppable for 1.6sec
Deal 1260 poison damage and restore 1290 health per sec for 1.6sec
Increase cost of stamina abilities by 10% and restore 240 stam per sec for 2.3 secs

I didn't saw never, potions what roll dodging for you ?

RevJJ

Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »

Essence of Immovabiliy
Bugloss-Mountain Flower-Namira Root
Restore 8400 Health
Restore 7500 Stamina + Major Endurance
Become immune to knockback and disabling effects for 10 seconds.

Escapist’s Poison IX
Columbine-Mountain Flower-Wormwood
Immobilioze target and grant unstoppable for 1.6sec
Deal 1260 poison damage and restore 1290 health per sec for 1.6sec
Increase cost of stamina abilities by 10% and restore 240 stam per sec for 2.3 secs

These would be great potions if I didn’t actually still get cc’d while under their effects.

MrMazurski

Ippokrates wrote: »

MrMazurski wrote: »

[snip]

[snip]

Its not place for your toxicity things.

[edited to remove quotes]

milllaurie

MrMazurski wrote: »

Please. On low mmr you can do anything you want. Even running around in the most troll bulid.

My account, especially most of the main characters, is stuck with a high MMR. Yes, this is the place where you meet 50% of the magsorc of the population.

From your writing it can be concluded that you really play little PvP yourself.

If you are stunting the other 7 opponents, but this one dodges 100% against any CC of yours and even the opponent's, always sounds okay at the same time?

what has a high KD ratio to avoid 100% CC skills? Yea nothing.

I do only play pvp and have a small scale guild. Right now you remind me of one of those "I got rekt so he must be cheating" guys. Seriously, I just told you how you can spot a cc incomming and you decided to completely ignore that part.
Are you familiar with CC immunity by the way?
Are you familiar with most of CC skills being blockable/dodgeable?
How do you imagine "a cheat" that allows you to do what you are complaining about?
How would it be different from seeing/hearing a stun incomming and then blocking/dodging?

waterfairy

Arunei wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

alberichtano wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

add ons are basically cheats

That is awfully general... a lot of addons are for QoL, nothing more. Wether there are addons that are cheaty, I wouldn't know. I can safely say I don't use any such, as I die more often than not in PvP. :-P

anything that aids your game or makes things easier is basically a cheat, especially in an online game where if others don't use it they're at a disadvantage. Even something that helps you with housing can be considered cheating in a contest against a player who uses vanilla means

I'm sorry but...what is this logic? QoL addons are not cheating and I honestly don't understand the thinking that arrives at the conclusion that they are. If I use an addon that helps me do my crafting faster, how is anyone that doesn't use that at a "disadvantage"? Is there some kind of competition for getting daily writs done faster I'm not aware of? Or an increased reward for people who use addons for it? People who opt not to use the addons aren't at any kind of disadvantage other than their crafting taking a little longer, but like...in what way are they actually at any sort of disadvantage?

Housing addons? Most of what those do is just allowing for easier/better placement of things, especially in large numbers, like when you're building houses from scratch and have a lot of tiles to put down for floors or something. That's not cheating, it's something you can do by hand, but takes a lot of time and patience (and frustration as well, because even with the Precision Edit system, it's kind of limited in fine-tuning in some cases). Circumventing all that isn't cheating, and it feels like a stretch to cite "housing contests" as proof that QoL addons are 'cheating'.

Also you're disregarding the fact that on PC, people have the option of using addons or not using them. It's not like only certain elite people can use them and everyone else has to suffer without. On PC, everyone can use them if they want. On console, there aren't any addons at all, and crossplay between platforms isn't possible, so it's not like PC players who have addons are competing with console people who literally have no access to them.

And at the end of the day, obviously ZOS doesn't feel that addons are cheating, seeing as they allow them in the first place, and edit what addon creators can access when it comes to the API if they feel any given addon *is* cheaty. If ZOS hasn't blocked the function of X or Y addon, it's safe to assume they don't consider its existence and use cheating in any capacity (so long as the addon has actually existed long enough to be reported and inspected if people suspect it's a problem, obviously; ZOS isn't going to know any specific addon is problematic the second it's released).

And as for the OP, I don't PvP, but I'm fairly certain most people in PvP play in 3rd person. It's entirely possible for someone to be zoomed out all the way and have their 3rd person FoV turned up all the way, and to constantly move their camera around to watch for enemy players trying to come up on them. There are also things like Detect Pots that work through invisibility, which would account for you being found and hit with the single-target move. And there are *also* there are moves that can "mark" you; if you got hit by one of those, it might have prevented your invisibility pot from actually working.

long rant on justifying cheats in game. It's ok if you enjoy them but it's still cheating even when it's something as simple as making building easier because it's basically "paint by numbers" when the next person is using free hand and the system created by the devs. Then there's the cheats that point out every skyshard location to get skill points easier or the combat cue cheats mentioned in the op...and so on.
Any mod/add-on that makes your game easier is technically a cheat, regardless if the use is optional or you cam achieve similar results without using it...like other actual "cheats" in other games, you enable something that makes your game easier and no amount of "it's QoL" changes the nature of what they are...cheats

TooWeak2Live

A while back we had a DC GM in Cyrodiil shamelessly abusing a bug where, if you died at just the right time, you could mount and teleport with a scroll. He used it at least once a day for more than a week. He was definitely reported. It was so egregious that even his girlfriend called him out on it. ZOS did nothing.

But when IC was broken and giving players "too much" XP through completely normal gameplay, they banned people... for playing IC.

When players were literally flying through the air, ZOS was completely silent. They said nothing, they did nothing, as far as we know they banned noone. It took months and months for a fix, and only then after an embarrassing YouTube video went viral.

But when players had access to Greymoor on launch day, bam, server taken down during prime time on launch day to fix it. (And then other players who actually purchased it took days of CS runaround to get access.)

ZOS doesn't actually care about cheaters, they never have and they never will. They only care if you're getting something for "free" or easier than you're supposed to.

Looking forward to New Woirld!

TooWeak2Live

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

Besides they moved almost any calculation Serverside so most things are already hack proof.

Oh, you sweet summer child.

Remember when there were completely undamageable sorcs running around? Turns out it WAS a cheat, and we know that because only after years [snip] they finally changed shields so you couldn't cheat that way.

Remember when people were hitting through solid objects all the time? Turns out it WAS a cheat, LOS was being done client side and ZOS eventually [snip] changed it.

Remember when there was a commercial hack, that anyone could buy off the web, that let you jump over certain objects, e.g. partially destroyed keep walls? Oh yeah, that was a thing for years.

[snip]

It's a fact that people cheat in ESO. [snip]

[snip]

[edited for baiting/bashing]

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

Title says: ESO falling with cheaters?

Should say: ESO filled with cheaters!

mattaeus01b16_ESO

Youyouz06 wrote: »

We don't need addon's for battlegrounds or PvP - at least not for combat notifications.
Maybe these need to be looked at again and dealt with like Miat's was.

*gonna make some angries*

If you are using those addons to counter attacks -> It's bascially like you are using the addon PvE players use..Code's combat alerts.

Its not the same. One effects you and your ability to survive in group combat, in a PVE world. The other effects other players, and their ability to combat you with notifications that only your are privy to. And by affecting other players this way, gives you the unfair advantage. This affects the playability of the game, and others enjoyment of it. And in turn, hurts the community.

EmEm_Oh

Elsonso wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

You are not wrong. This is the public add-on, just imagine what the private (for friends only) add-ons can do.

Do you know specific facts, or is this just some urban legend that gets passed around as fact? The ESO API does limit what players can know about incoming attacks. If there are bugs or exploits that bypass this, they need to be reported. If you are not just speculating because you think something like that must exist, have you reported it?

There are addons out there. It's not talked about much publicly and you only get informed about them if you're part of a certain group. People have permanently changed factions just for the addons.

I'm not sure what the solution is but I would imagine a techie could audit the logs of a pvp campaign and see if the keystrokes match up with typical human-entered keystrokes in other campaigns of similar numbers.

kargen27

TooWeak2Live wrote: »

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

Besides they moved almost any calculation Serverside so most things are already hack proof.

Oh, you sweet summer child.

Remember when there were completely undamageable sorcs running around? Turns out it WAS a cheat, and we know that because only after years [snip] they finally changed shields so you couldn't cheat that way.

Remember when people were hitting through solid objects all the time? Turns out it WAS a cheat, LOS was being done client side and ZOS eventually [snip] changed it.

Remember when there was a commercial hack, that anyone could buy off the web, that let you jump over certain objects, e.g. partially destroyed keep walls? Oh yeah, that was a thing for years.

[snip]

It's a fact that people cheat in ESO. [snip]

[snip]

I remember all that happening. I also remember players spamming ultimates as if they were light attacks. Have you seen any of that since things went from client side to server side?

Cirantille

milllaurie wrote: »

You could not believe how many times I have been called a cheater in pvp and I am not even that good.
Most of the times it is less experienced players, who take this game as RPG without the MMO part.
I can easily do a 30+ kills in low mmr bgs, I have soloed both of the opposing teams in the past. Does that make me a cheater?
A thing about dodging attacks. Many attacks have SOUND bound to them. For example you can hear a snipe coming and roll dodge it. You can easily hear incap. Javelin is super easy too. Leap is the easiest of them all. You could easily notice this if you turn the ingame music off. (again - people who take it as an rpg without the mmo part never turn the music down ). Your client (and you) already have the information about the incomming attack, you do not need addons for it .
I noticed the more frustrated a player is the more likely he is going to call you a cheater.

People don't even hear proxy and just stand there in keeps & resources

I'm surprised how can you not hear something like bomb ticks ringing in your ears

PigofSteel

Togal wrote: »

Everything is server side nowadays, you can't hop on cheat engine or any scripting software to impact the game. They are just better than you thats how the cycle works, If I lose usually its to a better player that has more experience. Youll be surprised how many people call veterans cheaters, its insane. Also using macros gives you a disadvantage since you can't react to different situations. Please stop calling people cheaters, they just really enjoy the game and put in more effort than others.

Emm you can still use all that...

JamieAubrey

I agree, I've seen me insta casting a Frag and as soon as I press the button the person dodgerolls even if they are running from me, yes they might have dodged at the same time but when it happens with multiple other people then something is up

kargen27

PigofSteel wrote: »

Togal wrote: »

Everything is server side nowadays, you can't hop on cheat engine or any scripting software to impact the game. They are just better than you thats how the cycle works, If I lose usually its to a better player that has more experience. Youll be surprised how many people call veterans cheaters, its insane. Also using macros gives you a disadvantage since you can't react to different situations. Please stop calling people cheaters, they just really enjoy the game and put in more effort than others.

Emm you can still use all that...

you can.

It just doesn't work to give a player an advantage.

TooWeak2Live

kargen27 wrote: »

I remember all that happening. I also remember players spamming ultimates as if they were light attacks. Have you seen any of that since things went from client side to server side?

[snip] There wasn't some magical switch they flipped one day. IIRC the LOS change just happened in the last big update. And even now we're dealing with a sorc exploit that's being heavily abused, and absolutely will not be fixed until at least u31.

[snip]

[edited for baiting]

MrMazurski

People must be very naive to believe that no cheats work, especially the cheat engine. Miats "addons" mostly are cut off, (from what I know, people still wrote in 2018 or 2019 that they still work to some extent) but you can find a cheat engine without any problems. Just open google and type in two words: ESO cheats. And you will get endless pages with such things.

woe

Look at the patch notes about stealth, it doesn't even work right now. On top of that people also just spam dodge roll whenever people attack them because they are scared to death and try to not get hit at all. I've been playing since beta and i have never experienced something where i thought someone was cheating.

Some people can play literally any game and get mad and start to call out "cheaters"...

GodKingScormxon

I have felt cheated in battlegrounds too before but it's probably because I have a hard time keeping up with player movement and the fact that the Xbox controller or game can't keep up with how fast I hit the buttons I can press the buttons as fast as a turbo controller making it hard for the game or controller to keep up.

MrMazurski

deflorate wrote: »

Look at the patch notes about stealth, it doesn't even work right now. On top of that people also just spam dodge roll whenever people attack them because they are scared to death and try to not get hit at all. I've been playing since beta and i have never experienced something where i thought someone was cheating.

Some people can play literally any game and get mad and start to call out "cheaters"...

Spamming dodge because I'm afraid, and spamming dodge perfectly with tick beofre impact or when you just clicked a skill are two different things.

I have been playing since 2016, most of the PvP, and no one will tell me that a game is cheat free.I haven't met many of them since 2016, but they are and exist. And there are more and more of them, because the ZOS doesn't do anything about it.

When you meet a player, for example, on an IC or Cyro who can deal solo with 10 players, avoid all CCs and take virtually no damage and at the same time kill you one by one, it sounds like 100% legitimate behavior. It is definitely the fault of the Server side. I doubt it very much

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Title says: ESO falling with cheaters?

Should say: ESO filled with cheaters!

So true.

Viewsfrom6ix

@Vigarr please actually look up what cheating means.

Vigarr wrote: »

anything that aids your game or makes things easier is basically a cheat, especially in an online game where if others don't use it they're at a disadvantage. Even something that helps you with housing can be considered cheating in a contest against a player who uses vanilla means

By your definition, everyone cheats in this game, including you.

We have CP nodes that give mount speed, and more mats when deconstructing. They are cheats because it makes my game easier and if others don't use them, they're at a disadvantage.

Am I also cheating for having more CP than my opponent or having better gear? They are at a disadvantage because they don't use what I use.

Add-ons, on PC, they are accessible by everyone and allowed and implemented via API by ZOS. Just like CP nodes, they are accessible by everyone and allowed and implemented by ZOS.

Cheating is when you do something against the rule of the system to gain an advantage.

jrgray93

I play a lot of BGs are rarely see anything weird. I do occasionally see some very shady stuff with insane reaction speed to CC attempts. More than once, I've seen people time blocks to stop CC with inhuman speed and precision. Their block pops up for a few frames, just long enough to avoid an instant cast CC, often when they're clearly not even paying attention to the caster. I just assumed it was some addon that gave them notifications of incoming CC spells, rather than really cheating. Once in a blue moon, it seems too precise to be player controlled.

On the other side, I've been accused of cheating and had some kid spam "lol baddons" to me repeatedly because I weave and animation cancel so effectively, as if I've been playing my class for seven years or something.

Tigertron

MrMazurski wrote: »

People must be very naive to believe that no cheats work, especially the cheat engine. Miats "addons" mostly are cut off, (from what I know, people still wrote in 2018 or 2019 that they still work to some extent) but you can find a cheat engine without any problems. Just open google and type in two words: ESO cheats. And you will get endless pages with such things.

Got endless pages of BS and clickbait. The only things I saw that were marginally a hack were AHK scripts. You can look at the game code while it is running and watch packets. Everything is server side you can’t hack that only manipulate it with a bot.