Gamingdays wrote: »Simply no. I worked hard to get true genius on my sorc and as much as a pain it was to get it I don’t want the achievement devalued by just being able to put it on any toon. I could make a new toon and it suddenly has the title. It would just simply devalue it.
A unique Soul Gem in the character selection screen that holds your account achievements with the optional ability to be placed on any character prior to loading into the game.
interesting to see all the character, player skill mentions considering none whatsoever is really needed in a reality where you can buy carries for pretty much anything..
JoDiMageio wrote: »That is a nope from me.
I do not consider earning a title on my Warden healer being in any way equivalent to earning it on my Sorc DD or on my Argonian tank. Yes I and my teammates earned it, but it requires different skills, abilities, mindset, etc. for each toon you play.
@JoDiMageio
so if you respecc your warden healer to tank or dd you should loose the titles and achievements? In the end it requires different skills abilities, mindset.. and difference between healer on different classes is one trillion time smaller than those required to do it on same class but different roles...
JoDiMageio wrote: »That is a nope from me.
I do not consider earning a title on my Warden healer being in any way equivalent to earning it on my Sorc DD or on my Argonian tank. Yes I and my teammates earned it, but it requires different skills, abilities, mindset, etc. for each toon you play.
@JoDiMageio
so if you respecc your warden healer to tank or dd you should loose the titles and achievements? In the end it requires different skills abilities, mindset.. and difference between healer on different classes is one trillion time smaller than those required to do it on same class but different roles...
JoDiMageio wrote: »JoDiMageio wrote: »That is a nope from me.
I do not consider earning a title on my Warden healer being in any way equivalent to earning it on my Sorc DD or on my Argonian tank. Yes I and my teammates earned it, but it requires different skills, abilities, mindset, etc. for each toon you play.
@JoDiMageio
so if you respecc your warden healer to tank or dd you should loose the titles and achievements? In the end it requires different skills abilities, mindset.. and difference between healer on different classes is one trillion time smaller than those required to do it on same class but different roles...
@remosito
While I understand what you are saying, this is a moot point. As @Elsonso stated, your argument is a red herring. The question is whether an achievement/title should be account-wide.
That being said, I will still indulge an answer because why the heck not? With regards to your comment, personally, and this is simply my own feelings about the situation, whilst removing an achievement or title if you respec your toon would, indeed, be ridiculous, I would not feel like I earned the title, even on the same but respec-ed character, until I could complete the content again with the new configuration. I earned it as a warden healer, not a DD, not a tank.
Oh yeah cool and if this happens I want all my titles, achievements and champion points added to my alt accounts with the same argument that I as the player have earned them.
Same for over on the EU server.
Sirona_Starr wrote: »So, I would hope all the people that are against account-wide achievements don't use account-wide cp, right? Otherwise, if you do, it's pretty hypocritical, to my way of thinking.
Agenericname wrote: »JoDiMageio wrote: »JoDiMageio wrote: »That is a nope from me.
I do not consider earning a title on my Warden healer being in any way equivalent to earning it on my Sorc DD or on my Argonian tank. Yes I and my teammates earned it, but it requires different skills, abilities, mindset, etc. for each toon you play.
@JoDiMageio
so if you respecc your warden healer to tank or dd you should loose the titles and achievements? In the end it requires different skills abilities, mindset.. and difference between healer on different classes is one trillion time smaller than those required to do it on same class but different roles...
@remosito
While I understand what you are saying, this is a moot point. As @Elsonso stated, your argument is a red herring. The question is whether an achievement/title should be account-wide.
That being said, I will still indulge an answer because why the heck not? With regards to your comment, personally, and this is simply my own feelings about the situation, whilst removing an achievement or title if you respec your toon would, indeed, be ridiculous, I would not feel like I earned the title, even on the same but respec-ed character, until I could complete the content again with the new configuration. I earned it as a warden healer, not a DD, not a tank.
PvP and arenas often utilize different skills and abilities than group PvE. You can tank vCR and then run vMA. Your Flawless Conq or Stormproof would have still been earned and a valid achievement even though you most likely respec'd to run it. Or you didnt, you're just a beast, and the conjecture of us mortals doesnt mean much to you anyway. They're all abilities within the tool kit of that character. I dont think that simply because its not the same spec that it wasnt earned.
I'm not sure how I feel about account wide achievements. Id like to be able to see them, and I understand the debate from the trial trifecta perspective.
JoDiMageio wrote: »That is a nope from me.
I do not consider earning a title on my Warden healer being in any way equivalent to earning it on my Sorc DD or on my Argonian tank. Yes I and my teammates earned it, but it requires different skills, abilities, mindset, etc. for each toon you play.
@JoDiMageio
so if you respecc your warden healer to tank or dd you should loose the titles and achievements? In the end it requires different skills abilities, mindset.. and difference between healer on different classes is one trillion time smaller than those required to do it on same class but different roles...
No. That is not how it works. This argument is a red herring. Changing a character's job does not change the character.
Changing roles is nothing. The bigger question is whether ZOS should have even allowed Alliance, Race, Appearance, and Name changes without zeroing out related titles and achievements in the process.
JoDiMageio wrote: »Agenericname wrote: »JoDiMageio wrote: »JoDiMageio wrote: »That is a nope from me.
I do not consider earning a title on my Warden healer being in any way equivalent to earning it on my Sorc DD or on my Argonian tank. Yes I and my teammates earned it, but it requires different skills, abilities, mindset, etc. for each toon you play.
@JoDiMageio
so if you respecc your warden healer to tank or dd you should loose the titles and achievements? In the end it requires different skills abilities, mindset.. and difference between healer on different classes is one trillion time smaller than those required to do it on same class but different roles...
@remosito
While I understand what you are saying, this is a moot point. As @Elsonso stated, your argument is a red herring. The question is whether an achievement/title should be account-wide.
That being said, I will still indulge an answer because why the heck not? With regards to your comment, personally, and this is simply my own feelings about the situation, whilst removing an achievement or title if you respec your toon would, indeed, be ridiculous, I would not feel like I earned the title, even on the same but respec-ed character, until I could complete the content again with the new configuration. I earned it as a warden healer, not a DD, not a tank.
PvP and arenas often utilize different skills and abilities than group PvE. You can tank vCR and then run vMA. Your Flawless Conq or Stormproof would have still been earned and a valid achievement even though you most likely respec'd to run it. Or you didnt, you're just a beast, and the conjecture of us mortals doesnt mean much to you anyway. They're all abilities within the tool kit of that character. I dont think that simply because its not the same spec that it wasnt earned.
I'm not sure how I feel about account wide achievements. Id like to be able to see them, and I understand the debate from the trial trifecta perspective.
I think I might have been misunderstood. Different achievements with different specs on the same toon is not the issue for me - finishing vMA on a healer or tank build is not exactly setting yourself up for success (and comparing solo achievements to group achievements is apples and oranges, imo). It was a comment about the same (group) title but respecced, which didn't even talk to my original point in the first place (my bad for addressing the red herring).
My (original) point is - if I earn Godslayer on my Warden healer, then no, I don't think that other toons should be able to wear the title, regardless of class or role. I earned it as a Warden healer. But that's just how I feel about it
JoDiMageio wrote: »Agenericname wrote: »JoDiMageio wrote: »JoDiMageio wrote: »That is a nope from me.
I do not consider earning a title on my Warden healer being in any way equivalent to earning it on my Sorc DD or on my Argonian tank. Yes I and my teammates earned it, but it requires different skills, abilities, mindset, etc. for each toon you play.
@JoDiMageio
so if you respecc your warden healer to tank or dd you should loose the titles and achievements? In the end it requires different skills abilities, mindset.. and difference between healer on different classes is one trillion time smaller than those required to do it on same class but different roles...
@remosito
While I understand what you are saying, this is a moot point. As @Elsonso stated, your argument is a red herring. The question is whether an achievement/title should be account-wide.
That being said, I will still indulge an answer because why the heck not? With regards to your comment, personally, and this is simply my own feelings about the situation, whilst removing an achievement or title if you respec your toon would, indeed, be ridiculous, I would not feel like I earned the title, even on the same but respec-ed character, until I could complete the content again with the new configuration. I earned it as a warden healer, not a DD, not a tank.
PvP and arenas often utilize different skills and abilities than group PvE. You can tank vCR and then run vMA. Your Flawless Conq or Stormproof would have still been earned and a valid achievement even though you most likely respec'd to run it. Or you didnt, you're just a beast, and the conjecture of us mortals doesnt mean much to you anyway. They're all abilities within the tool kit of that character. I dont think that simply because its not the same spec that it wasnt earned.
I'm not sure how I feel about account wide achievements. Id like to be able to see them, and I understand the debate from the trial trifecta perspective.
I think I might have been misunderstood. Different achievements with different specs on the same toon is not the issue for me - finishing vMA on a healer or tank build is not exactly setting yourself up for success (and comparing solo achievements to group achievements is apples and oranges, imo). It was a comment about the same (group) title but respecced, which didn't even talk to my original point in the first place (my bad for addressing the red herring).
My (original) point is - if I earn Godslayer on my Warden healer, then no, I don't think that other toons should be able to wear the title, regardless of class or role. I earned it as a Warden healer. But that's just how I feel about it
hats off. consistent like that seems rare.
this is all just how we feel about it. it's not like there is an objective truth, right/wrong to it.
I have my accumulated accountwide achievements overview and points. thanks to an addon i modified. all i ever wanted. dont care about titles...
Gamingdays wrote: »Simply no. I worked hard to get true genius on my sorc and as much as a pain it was to get it I don’t want the achievement devalued by just being able to put it on any toon. I could make a new toon and it suddenly has the title. It would just simply devalue it.
That seems an odd way of looking at it, since you are the one that earned the achievement, not the toon.
Ceejengine wrote: »I'd like to see it. I have yet to see an argument against it that has any merit.
"I earned the title on my main, if my alt had the title it would be devalued. " negative. Accounts that aren't good enough to earn true genius don't have true genius. If it's an RP thing, then don't use the title and don't force your RP on me.
"I earned it on x character that requires different abilities and mindset. " It doesn't. If you're good enough to get a title on one class, you can get it on another.
"If account achievements become account wide then I want my achieves on all my alt accounts." Comparing apples to oranges. Also, with this logic, why stop at achieves? How about that account wide bank? Should they remove that? Or account wide craft bag? Or dye unlocks? Or motif unlocks? Mount unlocks? Assistant unlocks? Or the actual real progress, account wide CP? Should players actually be required to grind CP on each individual character?
Like actual, game-affecting stuff is account wide. If you're against achievements then by that logic we shouldn't have anything account wide.
And I can promise you if half those things go, you'll see players skiddaddling in droves.
One of my favorite things about the game is I can have 1 dude that I gather stuff on, and then my alts get to play around with those toys.
"The player and the character are two separate entities. It requires effort from both to unlock achievements." Nope, my guy won't even move unless I make him. Those clutch heals he does? 100% me. His perfect timing w/ shields, rolls & blocks? Also all me.
"If achievements were account wide, I wouldn't have character- specific records of which char did which achievement." Says who? They can add a "completed by x on x." You could even tab your alts for credit in redoing the achievements.
"I want to repeat achieves." See above.
Nirntrotter wrote: »Keep the rewards character bound, but an account wide achiev overview would be so, so helpful. Please ZOS release me from my DK prison
Nirntrotter wrote: »Keep the rewards character bound, but an account wide achiev overview would be so, so helpful. Please ZOS release me from my DK prison
Diva_Naoko wrote: »Oh yeah cool and if this happens I want all my titles, achievements and champion points added to my alt accounts with the same argument that I as the player have earned them.
Same for over on the EU server.
I don't understand. Is this sarcasm? You already have all your champion points on all your alts; you only need to allocate them. Champion points are account wide. The OP is asking for titles and achievements to become account wide. I agree with OP.
Also, some are arguing that account wide achievements would make alts useless. I don't think so. For example, stealth and justice achievements, including many from TG and DB are easier done on an purposely built and spec'd alt, unless your main is a NB thief/murderer from the start. Alts can specialise on certain aspects of dlc content and all contribute for the overall acc achievements. Having to build an alt for practice and then going in with the main for the achievement is twice the work.
I mean is it really that hard? Hey thanks for spending X amount of hours grinding this tedious thing for this tedious title. Now do it 7 more times.
A unique Soul Gem in the character selection screen that holds your account achievements with the optional ability to be placed on any character prior to loading into the game.
I love this idea!
As for my own suggestions, I would simply love to have all achievements account-wide, including titles.
Or, at least let us purchase titles for our alts same as we can purchase skyshards. For example, if my one character has unlocked "Chaos Keeper" title, I should be able to officially buy this title for any of my other characters.
The only reason why having alts is useful in ESO: crafting dailies (and all other dailies). In all other cases, playing many characters is wasted effort If we think about achievements, alts currently don't contribute to the same goal.
When I play GW2, every little thing I do on any character contributes to every achievement progress. I never think "which character should I play? Has he made progress in my needed achievement?" I simply play whatever character is in my mood, and don't worry about anything.
In ESO, if I want some achievement, I need to think which of my characters has the most progress for that achievement. No matter if I'm in the mood of playing other character It leads to mental pressure.
I never do same achievement (those which reward skins and titles) on more than one character. If I got any dungeon trifecta on alt, neither my main character nor any other alt will go to that dungeon ever again
One of my characters has no use for most of titles which she earned. But many of my alts would love to use those titles
Ability to purchase titles after unlocking them would solve at least part of this probleminteresting to see all the character, player skill mentions considering none whatsoever is really needed in a reality where you can buy carries for pretty much anything..
Agree! These offers are widespread in every zone in game. When I see somebody with trial skin/title/mount, I never know how that person earned it. By gold or skill?
A unique Soul Gem in the character selection screen that holds your account achievements with the optional ability to be placed on any character prior to loading into the game.
I love this idea!
As for my own suggestions, I would simply love to have all achievements account-wide, including titles.
Or, at least let us purchase titles for our alts same as we can purchase skyshards. For example, if my one character has unlocked "Chaos Keeper" title, I should be able to officially buy this title for any of my other characters.
The only reason why having alts is useful in ESO: crafting dailies (and all other dailies). In all other cases, playing many characters is wasted effort If we think about achievements, alts currently don't contribute to the same goal.
When I play GW2, every little thing I do on any character contributes to every achievement progress. I never think "which character should I play? Has he made progress in my needed achievement?" I simply play whatever character is in my mood, and don't worry about anything.
In ESO, if I want some achievement, I need to think which of my characters has the most progress for that achievement. No matter if I'm in the mood of playing other character It leads to mental pressure.
I never do same achievement (those which reward skins and titles) on more than one character. If I got any dungeon trifecta on alt, neither my main character nor any other alt will go to that dungeon ever again
One of my characters has no use for most of titles which she earned. But many of my alts would love to use those titles
Ability to purchase titles after unlocking them would solve at least part of this probleminteresting to see all the character, player skill mentions considering none whatsoever is really needed in a reality where you can buy carries for pretty much anything..
Agree! These offers are widespread in every zone in game. When I see somebody with trial skin/title/mount, I never know how that person earned it. By gold or skill?
Thank you, & yes GW2 is great like that.
An account overview would be ok.
But I want to be able to repeat achievements on alts. Otherwise, what's the point of alts?
Also, consider that in games that have account-wide achievements, like GW2, the achievements are A LOT more grindy.
So if you think looting 1000 chests took a long time, you'd be looking at 10k or even 50k.
Killing 100 atronachs in vet CoA2? Make that 1000 now.
Because whether it's repeating the achievement on an alt or making it harder on your account, they will keep you playing.
Nirntrotter wrote: »Keep the rewards character bound, but an account wide achiev overview would be so, so helpful. Please ZOS release me from my DK prison
Your signature indicates you're on PC.
Kyoma's Global Achievements will do this.