ACCOUNT WIDE ACHIEVEMENTS AND TITLES

tmbrinks

TheCommentator wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

I'm working on getting all of them. I'm at 44.6k+ points. I have a full-time job, have for the last 15 years. I don't have any kids, but do all the other things that you'd expect. Socialize w/ friends. Date. Travel. etc...

May I ask what is your Class/Race (eso obviously)?
Like lets pretend this scenario: I have around 1k into the game, I created a dragonknight because that sounds cool! I have some of the harder to get harvest achievements and some Vet DLC dungeon HM achievements as my DPS is okay say 60k but not godly 90k+ - This is my main. How can I ever really get godslayer/TTT? I'd really be struggling to push 90k+ dps regardless of magicka or stam. But why should I have to make a new character to get that achievement, and then farm all the other achievements I already have, just because I decided "Wow Dragonknight sounds cool!"
Either global achievements fix this or rebalancing the game does.
My point being, your class highly effects what achievements you can get (both in PvE and PvP) and adding a global achievement toggle is a much easier fix than having to balance everything perfectly.

Argonian Templar Healer.

Arguably the most nerfed race in the game, along with arguably the most nerfed healing class (to make space for the DLC/Crown Store classes of Warden/Necro)... thankfully the change occurred that gives class-specific buffs, so groups like to have one of each class in the raid, and since templars are sub-par DPS, they've stayed viable as healers.

As said in other threads. I have achievements as a tank, I have them as a healer, I have them as a DPS. I have adjusted my playstyle in order to get many of them. It was a choice I made. And I understand if you don't want to do so.

I have absolutely no qualms with them implementing the Kyoma's Global Addon into the base game, so you can see how your account has done as a whole. And if you want to call that "complete" because you play as an account, that's fine by me. If you want to do it as a character, also fine by me.

iksde

tmbrinks wrote: »

achoo420 wrote: »

What ever happened to gamers wanting to get everything in the game? Every game I've ever played my goal was to first hit max level then after then unlocking everything within the game, its called conquering the game. Something that can't be done in any MMO and ESO has the potential of being the FIRST ever MMO to be a conquerable game if they actually add account wide achievements.

There's a thread here in these very forums... showing at least a half dozen people who have gotten every achievement in the game... on a single character.

One person has every single achievement on multiple characters.

So, not only is it plausible to do on a single character, it has been done, multiple times.

Edit to add direct link to the forum post for the end of the Markarth patch.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7157490/#Comment_7157490

tmbrinks wrote: »

achoo420 wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

achoo420 wrote: »

What ever happened to gamers wanting to get everything in the game? Every game I've ever played my goal was to first hit max level then after then unlocking everything within the game, its called conquering the game. Something that can't be done in any MMO and ESO has the potential of being the FIRST ever MMO to be a conquerable game if they actually add account wide achievements.

There's a thread here in these very forums... showing at least a half dozen people who have gotten every achievement in the game... on a single character.

One person has every single achievement on multiple characters.

So, not only is it plausible to do on a single character, it has been done, multiple times.

Edit to add direct link to the forum post for the end of the Markarth patch.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7157490/#Comment_7157490

Are they of the working class people or they kids? If you can make the game your living then yes I'm sure it can done for certain class people. I main a healer and there's no way in heck I'm going to keep tearing my gear apart and respect just to make it happen. Also the points that are being made is that we don't have the time or life span to accomplish this and want a fighting chance. Most of us once we gear a character we wish to leave it alone.

I'm working on getting all of them. I'm at 44.6k+ points. I have a full-time job, have for the last 15 years. I don't have any kids, but do all the other things that you'd expect. Socialize w/ friends. Date. Travel. etc...

Also, why are you tearing apart your gear? I main a healer as well. You have multiple sets to use. For the tri-fecta titles I have in dungeons... I have gotten 2 of them tanking on this character, 2 of them as a dps, and the remainder as a healer/dps (some as 3 DPS/1 Tank setups, where I'm doing some support along w/ DPS). Forcing yourself into the rigidity of a specific role will lessen your chances of getting achievements. I'm glad I practiced the DPS side of things, as I'm now the "buff healer" in my group, which is essentially a DPS in support sets, so I'm able to significantly contribute as needed in that role.

and I dont have job for most of my time nor kids but so I have other things to do, something else to work on and other way of playing games

yes within 7 years of this game as I play since beta I ltely just hit 41k achiev points from 38k for very long

sorry but I still dont have time to repeat this all on all character like most of players and especailly players here arguing, most of us doesnt have time to repeat that much on different characters, I bet vere is much less people with max acheivs on few alts than people being able to run godslayer so this is very small miniority of already small miniority of hardcore endgame players so argument about few people with maxed achievs on fer characters at once is very invalid for big majority of playerbase

you will get in literally every game so hardcore players top be able to accomplish something like that but for sure you will be able count all of them from entire game on fingers from both hands around which game shouldnt be created - as we see already with ongoing "balance" for very long now how ZOS is still nerfing things so top players wont "exploit" mechanics for top scrores while screwing even more literally every other player here who is trying to progress whithout that experience and skill ato adapt for so mane nerfs, changes making progressing even harder

Thechuckage

I keep seeing GW2 brought up, while some of the achieves are daunting, the vast majority of them are fulfilled in a normal gameplay loop. Unless you have some severe desires to knock them out one at a time, just running around completing stories, killing world bosses (far superior in GW) or what have you, the achievements happen. ESO could use more organic achieves, instead of kill 500 ghosts and the ghosts only spawn in a few locations...

Even on raids its better. This particular fight needs more DoT DPS? Cool lemme swap to my other character. This boss has anti-DoT mechanics, ok back to first character. But my account is still gaining progress to the final goal.

ESO of course is set up different, but if I want to do AS with a dps toon but only slot is open is for a tank, if my tank already has the achieve, dps toon is SOL.

AlnilamE

TheCommentator wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

There have been stamina Godslayer groups.

If that achievement has been done on Stamina... then all other achievements are possible (not easy mind you)

But why should I as a DK have to work twice as hard for an achievement compared to my pet sorc friend?

Isn't your pet sorc friend going to have different achievements that are going to be harder for them than for you?

TheCommentator

AlnilamE wrote: »

Isn't your pet sorc friend going to have different achievements that are going to be harder for them than for you?

For example?

kargen27

"and @kargen27 did you read fully my post before?"

@iksde yeah I did and that is why I relied as I did.

Kidgangster101

So okay let's break this down.....

Achievements and titles across account is bad right?

So why can you transfer gear you earned? You beat vet mealstrom on easy to farm classes (like pet 1 bar sorc) but yet you can give said great sword to your stam user? Or what about new vet dungeons? Can't you complete it get the best set of gear out currently but just flip it to your alt who just reached max level?

Why is cp account wide? My level 1 just created toon that literally doesn't know how to kill an enemy yet or only has starting out skills can now fully spec as much cp I see fit..... Goes 100% against any arguments you guys say.....

Your new level 1 toon hasn't completed content yet, but you can wear the empire outfit your alt unlocked showing everyone you are a "former employer" but yet you fuss about someone wanting to equip the title?

Skill lines can literally be purchased from the store..... Don't want to grind a new room just spend 500+ bucks bam you don't need to run content you are completely done with..... Oh wait that title..........

Your guild wants you to tank vet hm trial.... But you already got it as your tank and will only run dps..... Now the entire raid is canceled or they need a pug great.........

The list goes on and on here. If you guys truly wanted to "earn everything" on your toon then nothing not even gear sharing would happen, but the fact it is does stops your "specific toon" argument. 😉

achoo420

Just one more thing to add. What is the harm of making account wide achievements and titles? I feel its not the end game, to me the end game is getting all the in game items and being a completionist. I see a lot of potential and lots of convenience with the idea of making this happen. I also know that ESO has many games beat because of things you can do that you can't do in any other MMO. The idea of this is to make life a little easier on us and allow us to have fun with it. We don't want a game where you're required to spend your life away playing just to keep up with hardcore gamers. It's already a time consuming grind fest just please give us a little break. It's not game breaking in anyway and everything in the game is already account based. We want the freedom of playing alternate characters without feeling like a there is a burden on your shoulders. Example is the trophy items for unlocking achievements but they're character bound so even if you did find that item on your alternate it's useless because you can't bank it or have anyway of giving it to your other characters. It still promotes single character use and we don't want that. Time is a factor for a lot of us and we just want to enjoy the things they have to offer while we're still here in the living. So seriously again what harm is there in making this a thing?

tmbrinks

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Your guild wants you to tank vet hm trial.... But you already got it as your tank and will only run dps..... Now the entire raid is canceled or they need a pug great.........

Seems pretty selfish to leave your guild hanging like that...

Also these "reductio ad absurdum" arguments are out of control and do not foster any meaningful discussion.

Kidgangster101

tmbrinks wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Your guild wants you to tank vet hm trial.... But you already got it as your tank and will only run dps..... Now the entire raid is canceled or they need a pug great.........

Seems pretty selfish to leave your guild hanging like that...

Also these "reductio ad absurdum" arguments are out of control and do not foster any meaningful discussion.

It's an example lol. But I'm glad out of EVERYTHING said that is your counter that it's selfish.

Isn't it selfish to want everyone to play 5+ years per toon to unlock everything they already earned?

But hey as long as you get EVERYTHING YOU WANT. That seems pretty selfish to me along with many others that simply don't have the time to invest into a title on their alt they already earned. 😉

Sergykid

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

So okay let's break this down.....

Achievements and titles across account is bad right?

So why can you transfer gear you earned? You beat vet mealstrom on easy to farm classes (like pet 1 bar sorc) but yet you can give said great sword to your stam user? Or what about new vet dungeons? Can't you complete it get the best set of gear out currently but just flip it to your alt who just reached max level?

exactly, if your alt character is not worthy enough of a vma completion achievement unless it does it itself, then it shouldn't be worthy to use a weapon from there either until it completes it itself.

i can't have godslayer achievement on my alt character, but i can ride the mount from the achievement. But not the title. Logic?

Sergykid

Thechuckage wrote: »

I keep seeing GW2 brought up, while some of the achieves are daunting, the vast majority of them are fulfilled in a normal gameplay loop. Unless you have some severe desires to knock them out one at a time, just running around completing stories, killing world bosses (far superior in GW) or what have you, the achievements happen. ESO could use more organic achieves, instead of kill 500 ghosts and the ghosts only spawn in a few locations...

Even on raids its better. This particular fight needs more DoT DPS? Cool lemme swap to my other character. This boss has anti-DoT mechanics, ok back to first character. But my account is still gaining progress to the final goal.

ESO of course is set up different, but if I want to do AS with a dps toon but only slot is open is for a tank, if my tank already has the achieve, dps toon is SOL.

as written in post #141, GW2 has better respect for achievements. It's shown publicly, gives you higher % for currencies ingame, and some other stuff. In ESO achievement number is totally useless. You can only use mounts or dyes or whatever, from achievements, but these are account wide, however the achievement itself is not. Logic?

kargen27

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

So okay let's break this down.....

Achievements and titles across account is bad right?

So why can you transfer gear you earned? You beat vet mealstrom on easy to farm classes (like pet 1 bar sorc) but yet you can give said great sword to your stam user? Or what about new vet dungeons? Can't you complete it get the best set of gear out currently but just flip it to your alt who just reached max level?

Why is cp account wide? My level 1 just created toon that literally doesn't know how to kill an enemy yet or only has starting out skills can now fully spec as much cp I see fit..... Goes 100% against any arguments you guys say.....

Your new level 1 toon hasn't completed content yet, but you can wear the empire outfit your alt unlocked showing everyone you are a "former employer" but yet you fuss about someone wanting to equip the title?

Skill lines can literally be purchased from the store..... Don't want to grind a new room just spend 500+ bucks bam you don't need to run content you are completely done with..... Oh wait that title..........

Your guild wants you to tank vet hm trial.... But you already got it as your tank and will only run dps..... Now the entire raid is canceled or they need a pug great.........

The list goes on and on here. If you guys truly wanted to "earn everything" on your toon then nothing not even gear sharing would happen, but the fact it is does stops your "specific toon" argument. 😉

Quick question. Why do you want achievements to be account wide? If it is only about finishing all achievements a tab that lists each characters achievements and achievements not yet completed would work.

The answer to why not titles is balance. The game needs content to be repeated to survive long term. The game also needs to be fun. So they strike a balance. That is why they gave us transmute crystals and more recently the sticker book but do not allow the selling/trading of dungeon gear. It balances the grind. Same with achievements. You get the dyes but not the titles. That makes the game more fun but still inspires repeating content.

iksde

kargen27 wrote: »

Quick question. Why do you want achievements to be account wide? If it is only about finishing all achievements a tab that lists each characters achievements and achievements not yet completed would work.

The answer to why not titles is balance. The game needs content to be repeated to survive long term. The game also needs to be fun. So they strike a balance. That is why they gave us transmute crystals and more recently the sticker book but do not allow the selling/trading of dungeon gear. It balances the grind. Same with achievements. You get the dyes but not the titles. That makes the game more fun but still inspires repeating content.

and still titles and so what is difference between titles along with all achievs any many more thing,s items, collectibles in game?
as there was wrote:

Sergykid wrote: »

exactly, if your alt character is not worthy enough of a vma completion achievement unless it does it itself, then it shouldn't be worthy to use a weapon from there either until it completes it itself.

i can't have godslayer achievement on my alt character, but i can ride the mount from the achievement. But not the title. Logic?

and in #188 comment here

if we are arguing this way then I demand to ahve also gear which is BoP to be character bound because while you was getting this gear it was got on one character, not alts who even never entered to this content instance along with character based collectibles from achievs, dyes and cp - while still ZOS is nerfing amount of CP needed for max so even less problem to get cp separately on every alt!

wanna craft an twice borns star for example or other 9 trait set for fresh alt? go and research traits needed for it on your alt so your alt will craft it by his hand, not by other character hands which have mastered crafting

wanna to reconstruct item from stickerbook? 1st off do it on character you want to use, learn trait 1st to reconstruct it in trait you want and master crafting to improve it into higher quality with cheaper cost if you want
and for 2nd...tbh earn this sticker by this character! not like you was running someting with other character and you got item you needed to stickerbook and then you can reconstruct it on different character - you didnt earn this item at 1st nor even your character have seen this item set once on his eyes you want now to reconstruct


you see problem with titles with account shared achievs and just achievs - I see even more problems here we have if these titles are so problematic for this case along with achievs itself, I guess you all are using anyway so many things, just gear on characters which themselves even never gained them once to count for stickerbook per character, you are using full cp from account on every character which for sure didnt gain full amount of you cp's from account if any if under 50lvl, you are using collectibles and for 100% sure dyes for achievs your alt didnt get and yet you are having problem with ideas of players for just account wide achievs and especially titles going with it

we are asking for 1 thing which is account wide achievs, you are point to us this is bad with even worse account wide title within it while you are using already account wide earned by single character achievs collectibles, dyes, more CP's and gear from content in which your alts never has been

Kidgangster101

kargen27 wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

So okay let's break this down.....

Achievements and titles across account is bad right?

So why can you transfer gear you earned? You beat vet mealstrom on easy to farm classes (like pet 1 bar sorc) but yet you can give said great sword to your stam user? Or what about new vet dungeons? Can't you complete it get the best set of gear out currently but just flip it to your alt who just reached max level?

Why is cp account wide? My level 1 just created toon that literally doesn't know how to kill an enemy yet or only has starting out skills can now fully spec as much cp I see fit..... Goes 100% against any arguments you guys say.....

Your new level 1 toon hasn't completed content yet, but you can wear the empire outfit your alt unlocked showing everyone you are a "former employer" but yet you fuss about someone wanting to equip the title?

Skill lines can literally be purchased from the store..... Don't want to grind a new room just spend 500+ bucks bam you don't need to run content you are completely done with..... Oh wait that title..........

Your guild wants you to tank vet hm trial.... But you already got it as your tank and will only run dps..... Now the entire raid is canceled or they need a pug great.........

The list goes on and on here. If you guys truly wanted to "earn everything" on your toon then nothing not even gear sharing would happen, but the fact it is does stops your "specific toon" argument. 😉

Quick question. Why do you want achievements to be account wide? If it is only about finishing all achievements a tab that lists each characters achievements and achievements not yet completed would work.

The answer to why not titles is balance. The game needs content to be repeated to survive long term. The game also needs to be fun. So they strike a balance. That is why they gave us transmute crystals and more recently the sticker book but do not allow the selling/trading of dungeon gear. It balances the grind. Same with achievements. You get the dyes but not the titles. That makes the game more fun but still inspires repeating content.

Fun for who exactly? You do know some people have different ideas of fun right?

So for me fun isn't clearing vma for the 9000000000000000000th time. Fun isn't grinding for emporer in pvp. (I enjoy pvp but not at the cost of literally playing 24/7 until I get it). It's not that I can't do it..... There's a thing called life and work that actually prevents me from doing it.

The sticker books don't cause an issue? You get a full set of gear and just recraft it rather than re running content....... You contradict yourself right there see. This is convenient for you but not for the new person trying to clear the trial for the first time right?

It does require repeating content to live, but what really ends up happening is people get tired of running the same exact content 10+ times for their alts that they actually just quite. Is that good for the game?

Find unique ways to get people to run older content rather than just "unlock said achievement". Offer bonus xp, bonus of a special mark that lets you trade in for special styles or get you a mark that after x amount you can do something fun with....... Bam I just solved your argument you're welcome.

Not everything in a mmo needs to be a chore we play this GAME to get away from things not to have us want to leave the game because it feels worse than reality lol. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Amottica

AlnilamE wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Thechuckage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

I will never understand why people are against account-wide achievements. Why do you care if someone displays a title that they didn't get on that specific character? They still had to grind and work hard with a character to get that achievement.

A lot of this comes down to the fact that some players - perhaps predominantly from an action-based console background - believe everything is done by the player, while other players - perhaps predominantly from a RPG-based PC background - believe everything is done by the character. Another factor is that those who argue for account-wide achievements tend not to want to play their alts through normal progression but just have them instantly ready for "endgame", while those who argue for character-specific achievements want to play through the full game with their alts as equal characters.

Could you expound on the second half of that? Because I don't think anyone has asked for that. Or is asking for insta-50s.

This subject has been raised very many times, and a common theme is that people wanting account-wide achievements are levelling up alts to 50 in a few hours at e.g. dolmens in order to jump quickly to endgame but complain at the time it then takes to level up everything else that they feel they need, plus they don't want to have to repeat achievements which they've already done, so once one character has achieved something they want all the other characters to benefit automatically. Other players who are opposed to account-wide achievements aren't so concerned with endgame but want to progress all their characters individually through the game.

That was the point I was making, not that people are asking for insta-50s as such, they pretty much have that already. It's a quicker way of getting everything else that is the motivation for account-wide achievements and titles coupled with the desire not to repeat content they've already done - which conversely for many players is the whole point of having multiple characters.

I can say I do not "power level" characters in any game. Heck, I do not even know what to do in ESO to power level a character to 50 in a matter of a few hours and I would like to see account-wide achievements. Not necessarily account-wide titles.

I would also suggest that power leveling an alt is not a major factor in those wanting account-wide achievements Would be interested in seeing how it was determined that it is these power-levelers that this. The major factor is clearly players that have alts and play the various alts. I expect a great many players do not "power level" their alts as I have learned the importance of gaining skill points.

In the end, it is helpful to have account-wide achievements as a player can see what they have accomplished without having to hop around a dozen times to see all the achievements. It also does no harm whatsoever to the game to bring an account-wide achievement list into the game.

I'm all for having an account-wide overview of achievements, where you can see what you've done across the account, and preferably see which of your characters have completed that particular achievement. This seems like a very simple aggregation that ZOS can provide, and Kyoma's addon does on PC if you have that.

But what people are asking for here (it seems to me) is that if they got one part of an achievement with character A and another part of an achievement with character B and then the last part with character C, they should now have the Trifecta achievement on the account. Which would require an overhaul of the achievement system, and lead to excruciatingly grindy achievements, like Guild Wars 2 has. So I'd rather not have that.

With your first paragraph we clearly agree on the architecture.

For the second paragraph, that is something for Zos to decide how to handle if they choose to create an account-wide achievement section. If they want titles to remain with the character that earned them this becomes moot since some of those major achievements that are comprised of multiple smaller achievements come with a title.

In the end, it does not harm the game or any player to have an account-wide achievement list. Especially a character-based achievement still exists. While I am not for it, account-wide titles do not harm the game either. After all, they are earned by the same player. Heck, I cannot recall a game with so much that is account-wide but lacks account-wide acheivements.

achoo420

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

So okay let's break this down.....

Achievements and titles across account is bad right?

So why can you transfer gear you earned? You beat vet mealstrom on easy to farm classes (like pet 1 bar sorc) but yet you can give said great sword to your stam user? Or what about new vet dungeons? Can't you complete it get the best set of gear out currently but just flip it to your alt who just reached max level?

Why is cp account wide? My level 1 just created toon that literally doesn't know how to kill an enemy yet or only has starting out skills can now fully spec as much cp I see fit..... Goes 100% against any arguments you guys say.....

Your new level 1 toon hasn't completed content yet, but you can wear the empire outfit your alt unlocked showing everyone you are a "former employer" but yet you fuss about someone wanting to equip the title?

Skill lines can literally be purchased from the store..... Don't want to grind a new room just spend 500+ bucks bam you don't need to run content you are completely done with..... Oh wait that title..........

Your guild wants you to tank vet hm trial.... But you already got it as your tank and will only run dps..... Now the entire raid is canceled or they need a pug great.........

The list goes on and on here. If you guys truly wanted to "earn everything" on your toon then nothing not even gear sharing would happen, but the fact it is does stops your "specific toon" argument. 😉

Quick question. Why do you want achievements to be account wide? If it is only about finishing all achievements a tab that lists each characters achievements and achievements not yet completed would work.

The answer to why not titles is balance. The game needs content to be repeated to survive long term. The game also needs to be fun. So they strike a balance. That is why they gave us transmute crystals and more recently the sticker book but do not allow the selling/trading of dungeon gear. It balances the grind. Same with achievements. You get the dyes but not the titles. That makes the game more fun but still inspires repeating content.

Fun for who exactly? You do know some people have different ideas of fun right?

So for me fun isn't clearing vma for the 9000000000000000000th time. Fun isn't grinding for emporer in pvp. (I enjoy pvp but not at the cost of literally playing 24/7 until I get it). It's not that I can't do it..... There's a thing called life and work that actually prevents me from doing it.

The sticker books don't cause an issue? You get a full set of gear and just recraft it rather than re running content....... You contradict yourself right there see. This is convenient for you but not for the new person trying to clear the trial for the first time right?

It does require repeating content to live, but what really ends up happening is people get tired of running the same exact content 10+ times for their alts that they actually just quite. Is that good for the game?

Find unique ways to get people to run older content rather than just "unlock said achievement". Offer bonus xp, bonus of a special mark that lets you trade in for special styles or get you a mark that after x amount you can do something fun with....... Bam I just solved your argument you're welcome.

Not everything in a mmo needs to be a chore we play this GAME to get away from things not to have us want to leave the game because it feels worse than reality lol. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Don't overlook Blackwood, its comin with stuff you're talking about right now for adding more fun and flavor to the game with Endeavors and companions. Account wide achievs and titles will be a good step forward to making the game better then it is now. I've talked with people who quit and said they would come back to play with they made this a actual thing. Why? Because they don't feel their life being drained away on a single for many years at a time.

achoo420

single game*

Sheezabeast

You as the player are equipping items to your character. Your character wears titles. There seems to be confusion as to which actions are your actions as the player on your behalf and what actions are you acting as your character.

iksde

Sheezabeast wrote: »

You as the player are equipping items to your character. Your character wears titles. There seems to be confusion as to which actions are your actions as the player on your behalf and what actions are you acting as your character.

once again:

cp, dropped gear/stickerbook, collectibles as mementos, outfits, many motif styles, skins, personalities, mount for earning title, costumes, dyes and probably some more I forgot - all of this now you can earn on single character and benefit on alt

you got problem with achievs, titles for people wanting them account wide? dont use account wide everything I remindered now which is constantly menton and ignored, go and play your characters without using all of these if your character didnt earn them themself, so go and remove dyes for which achievs your alts didnt get along with usable collectibles, cut your cp from alt because alt didnt earn all of cp he can use now and maybe also limit your use of gear dropped, created by other characters while using it on alts, character which didnt farmed that gear or craft skills to craft them

your alts didnt earn achievs for skins, personalities or other collectibles along with most dyes and cp so why are you using these on them if titles are such problem?

Sheezabeast

iksde wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

You as the player are equipping items to your character. Your character wears titles. There seems to be confusion as to which actions are your actions as the player on your behalf and what actions are you acting as your character.

once again:

cp, dropped gear/stickerbook, collectibles as mementos, outfits, many motif styles, skins, personalities, mount for earning title, costumes, dyes and probably some more I forgot - all of this now you can earn on single character and benefit on alt

you got problem with achievs, titles for people wanting them account wide? dont use account wide everything I remindered now which is constantly menton and ignored, go and play your characters without using all of these if your character didnt earn them themself, so go and remove dyes for which achievs your alts didnt get along with usable collectibles, cut your cp from alt because alt didnt earn all of cp he can use now and maybe also limit your use of gear dropped, created by other characters while using it on alts, character which didnt farmed that gear or craft skills to craft them

your alts didnt earn achievs for skins, personalities or other collectibles along with most dyes and cp so why are you using these on them if titles are such problem?

I the "player" earned them and can apply/use those on whomever I choose. The title was earned on the character, where the achievement was achieved, that's part of the word achievement, achieve. The character gets to have exclusive rights to the title, I as the player get to benefit from what I earned while being my character.

You keep saying I am ignoring your examples, but you are ignoring this. Or you don't understand this.

Let me give you an example. A football team wins the Superbowl. Every member is now a Superbowl winner. But only one player is the MVP. They act as a team. But one gets the distinction. Under your belief, every player would get MVP and it would make earning MVP useless because everyone gets it and it is not a distinction anymore.

achoo420

We're asking for account recognition because many of us don't care what you're character name is. We're looking at your @ name. What I'm getting at is that we're looking at you as person when we look at your @ Name we ain't looking at your character name because we truly don't care. We all care about our CONVIENICE which ESO has based their game around and prides itself off of. We care about saving time and enjoying the game. We're looking to enjoy a GAME not feel like we're all at work because we're sticking our noses in the grind stone. Doing rinse and repeat continuously kills motivation after a while and is the cause of why people quit MMOs overall. As far as the MVP character goes, your craft character is the MVP to your account which makes your argument there invalid. We got cannon balls all day to blow your ships out of the water.

Sheezabeast

achoo420 wrote: »

We're asking for account recognition because many of us don't care what you're character name is. We're looking at your @ name. What I'm getting at is that we're looking at you as person when we look at your @ Name we ain't looking at your character name because we truly don't care. We all care about our CONVIENICE which ESO has based their game around and prides itself off of. We care about saving time and enjoying the game. We're looking to enjoy a GAME not feel like we're all at work because we're sticking our noses in the grind stone. Doing rinse and repeat continuously kills motivation after a while and is the cause of why people quit MMOs overall. As far as the MVP character goes, your craft character is the MVP to your account which makes your argument there invalid. We got cannon balls all day to blow your ships out of the water.

How does my main character being my "MVP" invalidate anything? That's not a cannonball, that's called a paper tiger.

achoo420

Sheezabeast wrote: »

achoo420 wrote: »

We're asking for account recognition because many of us don't care what you're character name is. We're looking at your @ name. What I'm getting at is that we're looking at you as person when we look at your @ Name we ain't looking at your character name because we truly don't care. We all care about our CONVIENICE which ESO has based their game around and prides itself off of. We care about saving time and enjoying the game. We're looking to enjoy a GAME not feel like we're all at work because we're sticking our noses in the grind stone. Doing rinse and repeat continuously kills motivation after a while and is the cause of why people quit MMOs overall. As far as the MVP character goes, your craft character is the MVP to your account which makes your argument there invalid. We got cannon balls all day to blow your ships out of the water.

How does my main character being my "MVP" invalidate anything? That's not a cannonball, that's called a paper tiger.

Your crafter character is MVP no matter what. Making your MVP not useless that is how it is invalid here

Sheezabeast

achoo420 wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

achoo420 wrote: »

We're asking for account recognition because many of us don't care what you're character name is. We're looking at your @ name. What I'm getting at is that we're looking at you as person when we look at your @ Name we ain't looking at your character name because we truly don't care. We all care about our CONVIENICE which ESO has based their game around and prides itself off of. We care about saving time and enjoying the game. We're looking to enjoy a GAME not feel like we're all at work because we're sticking our noses in the grind stone. Doing rinse and repeat continuously kills motivation after a while and is the cause of why people quit MMOs overall. As far as the MVP character goes, your craft character is the MVP to your account which makes your argument there invalid. We got cannon balls all day to blow your ships out of the water.

How does my main character being my "MVP" invalidate anything? That's not a cannonball, that's called a paper tiger.

Your crafter character is MVP no matter what. Making your MVP not useless that is how it is invalid here

You still are not explaining the logic behind what you are saying. How does it do that? You can't just make claims like that and not explain them. Having one character that crafts does not invalidate my other 17 characters, who through deconstruction and writs, have maxed out crafting abilities, I just only learn motifs on my main. If she has to be considered a MVP, the others are the other players on the team, like my example. In your example, they all would be MVP and it would make all the effort and time invested in achieving her achievements such as Emperor for example, completely moot.

I wish you all would cut the bullcrap. You know you just want the easy way out of hard work. They wouldn't be achievements if they were easy and handed out to everyone. Admitting you just want to skip the effort and have it handed to you is what you need to do, because that is what it is, and in a MMO, that does not work, there are 1st person shooters and other games that better fit that playstyle. If this playstyle does not satisfy your need for instant gratification, try another game.

Kidgangster101

Sheezabeast wrote: »

iksde wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

You as the player are equipping items to your character. Your character wears titles. There seems to be confusion as to which actions are your actions as the player on your behalf and what actions are you acting as your character.

once again:

cp, dropped gear/stickerbook, collectibles as mementos, outfits, many motif styles, skins, personalities, mount for earning title, costumes, dyes and probably some more I forgot - all of this now you can earn on single character and benefit on alt

you got problem with achievs, titles for people wanting them account wide? dont use account wide everything I remindered now which is constantly menton and ignored, go and play your characters without using all of these if your character didnt earn them themself, so go and remove dyes for which achievs your alts didnt get along with usable collectibles, cut your cp from alt because alt didnt earn all of cp he can use now and maybe also limit your use of gear dropped, created by other characters while using it on alts, character which didnt farmed that gear or craft skills to craft them

your alts didnt earn achievs for skins, personalities or other collectibles along with most dyes and cp so why are you using these on them if titles are such problem?

I the "player" earned them and can apply/use those on whomever I choose. The title was earned on the character, where the achievement was achieved, that's part of the word achievement, achieve. The character gets to have exclusive rights to the title, I as the player get to benefit from what I earned while being my character.

You keep saying I am ignoring your examples, but you are ignoring this. Or you don't understand this.

Let me give you an example. A football team wins the Superbowl. Every member is now a Superbowl winner. But only one player is the MVP. They act as a team. But one gets the distinction. Under your belief, every player would get MVP and it would make earning MVP useless because everyone gets it and it is not a distinction anymore.

Okay so when your toon owns a house it should be for that toon only right? How do you all share a house?

You say "I the player earned this and can equip them" but then say "the toon earned the title" HUH? HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? Does my toon not decide what he wants to wear on his own or are we all just playing barbie over here now? Is this hello kitty island adventures or eso? Lol

Everyone keeps avoiding the questions asked about how you can share anything really. "Your toon don't equip the weapon you as the person does" but my level one toon didn't earn 1000+ cp, outfits awarded from content, mounts at all in any fashion, for real it's a game. Have fun and don't pick and choose when "rules should and shouldn't be applied to your likings".

Your argument is so silly you act like people should make this the only thing they do because they want a specific title for the 15th time.....

Trust me if you get a title for beating vet hm trials on 14 toons, I guarantee you can do it on your 15th attempt.

ME THE PLAYER IS GOOD AT THE GAME. DID MY TOON LEARN TO WEAVE LIGHT ATTACKS? DID MY TOON LEARN TO MOVE ON THEIR OWN? OR WAS IT ME THE PERSON SITTING IN A CHAIR WITH CONTROLLER IN HAND OR KEYBOARD DOING INPUTS?

Y'all are real silly out here acting like the toon on my tv screen or monitor is doing something hard. That toon doesn't care weather it's not logged in or not 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

So tell me exactly what the real problem is here? I'm just not understanding it.

Sheezabeast

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

iksde wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

You as the player are equipping items to your character. Your character wears titles. There seems to be confusion as to which actions are your actions as the player on your behalf and what actions are you acting as your character.

once again:

cp, dropped gear/stickerbook, collectibles as mementos, outfits, many motif styles, skins, personalities, mount for earning title, costumes, dyes and probably some more I forgot - all of this now you can earn on single character and benefit on alt

you got problem with achievs, titles for people wanting them account wide? dont use account wide everything I remindered now which is constantly menton and ignored, go and play your characters without using all of these if your character didnt earn them themself, so go and remove dyes for which achievs your alts didnt get along with usable collectibles, cut your cp from alt because alt didnt earn all of cp he can use now and maybe also limit your use of gear dropped, created by other characters while using it on alts, character which didnt farmed that gear or craft skills to craft them

your alts didnt earn achievs for skins, personalities or other collectibles along with most dyes and cp so why are you using these on them if titles are such problem?

I the "player" earned them and can apply/use those on whomever I choose. The title was earned on the character, where the achievement was achieved, that's part of the word achievement, achieve. The character gets to have exclusive rights to the title, I as the player get to benefit from what I earned while being my character.

You keep saying I am ignoring your examples, but you are ignoring this. Or you don't understand this.

Let me give you an example. A football team wins the Superbowl. Every member is now a Superbowl winner. But only one player is the MVP. They act as a team. But one gets the distinction. Under your belief, every player would get MVP and it would make earning MVP useless because everyone gets it and it is not a distinction anymore.

Okay so when your toon owns a house it should be for that toon only right? How do you all share a house?

You say "I the player earned this and can equip them" but then say "the toon earned the title" HUH? HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? Does my toon not decide what he wants to wear on his own or are we all just playing barbie over here now? Is this hello kitty island adventures or eso? Lol

Everyone keeps avoiding the questions asked about how you can share anything really. "Your toon don't equip the weapon you as the person does" but my level one toon didn't earn 1000+ cp, outfits awarded from content, mounts at all in any fashion, for real it's a game. Have fun and don't pick and choose when "rules should and shouldn't be applied to your likings".

Your argument is so silly you act like people should make this the only thing they do because they want a specific title for the 15th time.....

Trust me if you get a title for beating vet hm trials on 14 toons, I guarantee you can do it on your 15th attempt.

ME THE PLAYER IS GOOD AT THE GAME. DID MY TOON LEARN TO WEAVE LIGHT ATTACKS? DID MY TOON LEARN TO MOVE ON THEIR OWN? OR WAS IT ME THE PERSON SITTING IN A CHAIR WITH CONTROLLER IN HAND OR KEYBOARD DOING INPUTS?

Y'all are real silly out here acting like the toon on my tv screen or monitor is doing something hard. That toon doesn't care weather it's not logged in or not 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

So tell me exactly what the real problem is here? I'm just not understanding it.

Your character is not acting as your character when you purchase the house, unless you are roleplaying it that way. There is IC, and OOC. In Character, and Out of Character.

When you perform a feat on a character, the act is done on them, as you, the items acquired go to your account, you, the player, not the character, unless you roleplay it that way. The XP you earn from things OOC to earn CP are applied to your account, not to a specific character, because it was done OOC, not IC. This is not picking and choosing when the rules should apply. This is just your attempt to dance around the fact that you are not willing to commit the time to complete the same achievement more than once.

If you want the title for the 15th time, that is your choice. That is you, putting undue pressure on yourself, to grind it on another character. Don't want to do it? Then don't.

You are just being argumentative, typing in all caps, when you know it was you, acting as the player, doing those things. Why do you have to be that way?

If the toon on the screen isn't doing something hard, to quote you, then why don't you want to do it on your characters? If it's not hard? Why even say that if you know you don't want to? Bad argument.

The problem is that you are wanting to take the experience of earning a hard to get achievement and cheapen it. You want to take a traditional part of MMO's, and other games, and have it diminished. Everyone values their time differently. You only have 2 hours a day to play ESO? Then you gauge what you want to do based on your time. People who dedicate the time to achieve the hard to get achievements on multiple characters shouldn't have that spat on. It means you need to work on your time management, and not expect the entire game to change to fit your instant gratification demands.

Kidgangster101

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

iksde wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

You as the player are equipping items to your character. Your character wears titles. There seems to be confusion as to which actions are your actions as the player on your behalf and what actions are you acting as your character.

once again:

cp, dropped gear/stickerbook, collectibles as mementos, outfits, many motif styles, skins, personalities, mount for earning title, costumes, dyes and probably some more I forgot - all of this now you can earn on single character and benefit on alt

you got problem with achievs, titles for people wanting them account wide? dont use account wide everything I remindered now which is constantly menton and ignored, go and play your characters without using all of these if your character didnt earn them themself, so go and remove dyes for which achievs your alts didnt get along with usable collectibles, cut your cp from alt because alt didnt earn all of cp he can use now and maybe also limit your use of gear dropped, created by other characters while using it on alts, character which didnt farmed that gear or craft skills to craft them

your alts didnt earn achievs for skins, personalities or other collectibles along with most dyes and cp so why are you using these on them if titles are such problem?

I the "player" earned them and can apply/use those on whomever I choose. The title was earned on the character, where the achievement was achieved, that's part of the word achievement, achieve. The character gets to have exclusive rights to the title, I as the player get to benefit from what I earned while being my character.

You keep saying I am ignoring your examples, but you are ignoring this. Or you don't understand this.

Let me give you an example. A football team wins the Superbowl. Every member is now a Superbowl winner. But only one player is the MVP. They act as a team. But one gets the distinction. Under your belief, every player would get MVP and it would make earning MVP useless because everyone gets it and it is not a distinction anymore.

Okay so when your toon owns a house it should be for that toon only right? How do you all share a house?

You say "I the player earned this and can equip them" but then say "the toon earned the title" HUH? HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? Does my toon not decide what he wants to wear on his own or are we all just playing barbie over here now? Is this hello kitty island adventures or eso? Lol

Everyone keeps avoiding the questions asked about how you can share anything really. "Your toon don't equip the weapon you as the person does" but my level one toon didn't earn 1000+ cp, outfits awarded from content, mounts at all in any fashion, for real it's a game. Have fun and don't pick and choose when "rules should and shouldn't be applied to your likings".

Your argument is so silly you act like people should make this the only thing they do because they want a specific title for the 15th time.....

Trust me if you get a title for beating vet hm trials on 14 toons, I guarantee you can do it on your 15th attempt.

ME THE PLAYER IS GOOD AT THE GAME. DID MY TOON LEARN TO WEAVE LIGHT ATTACKS? DID MY TOON LEARN TO MOVE ON THEIR OWN? OR WAS IT ME THE PERSON SITTING IN A CHAIR WITH CONTROLLER IN HAND OR KEYBOARD DOING INPUTS?

Y'all are real silly out here acting like the toon on my tv screen or monitor is doing something hard. That toon doesn't care weather it's not logged in or not 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

So tell me exactly what the real problem is here? I'm just not understanding it.

Your character is not acting as your character when you purchase the house, unless you are roleplaying it that way. There is IC, and OOC. In Character, and Out of Character.

When you perform a feat on a character, the act is done on them, as you, the items acquired go to your account, you, the player, not the character, unless you roleplay it that way. The XP you earn from things OOC to earn CP are applied to your account, not to a specific character, because it was done OOC, not IC. This is not picking and choosing when the rules should apply. This is just your attempt to dance around the fact that you are not willing to commit the time to complete the same achievement more than once.

If you want the title for the 15th time, that is your choice. That is you, putting undue pressure on yourself, to grind it on another character. Don't want to do it? Then don't.

You are just being argumentative, typing in all caps, when you know it was you, acting as the player, doing those things. Why do you have to be that way?

If the toon on the screen isn't doing something hard, to quote you, then why don't you want to do it on your characters? If it's not hard? Why even say that if you know you don't want to? Bad argument.

The problem is that you are wanting to take the experience of earning a hard to get achievement and cheapen it. You want to take a traditional part of MMO's, and other games, and have it diminished. Everyone values their time differently. You only have 2 hours a day to play ESO? Then you gauge what you want to do based on your time. People who dedicate the time to achieve the hard to get achievements on multiple characters shouldn't have that spat on. It means you need to work on your time management, and not expect the entire game to change to fit your instant gratification demands.

Nah you basically are saying your toon is a form of "roleplaying" but certain things achieved on that toon is sometimes for benefit of "that toon" or "account wide".

Seriously I spoke in all caps so you can take it in for a minute..... Most people don't play this game to "roleplay". They play it because hey look I can fight a dragon or design a house or dress a certain way.

You say I'm being argumentative on the matter but the fact that you "pick and choose" what gets applied amongst all or only certain toons is example enough.

Your argument doesn't make sense ever since cp was announced. Sure vet levels where not shared in any capacity what so ever, but now you naturally have alts get stronger off the simple fact of being created.

You can also then purchase ANY complete skyshard achievements you have, along with mages guild, psijic, fighters guild, undaunted, thieves guild ect ect ect, onto toons that haven't unlocked those.

These things naturally give that toon a distinct advantage, if your level 20 toon is with a fresh 20 toon you will be way stronger. So you are honestly going to say that is less important than someone walking around with a flawless conquerer title on? Or godslayer title on?

It doesn't do anything but have a fancy text above or under your name whereas someone farming gear for their alt or having to spend hundreds of hours farming cp per alt isn't equal to the hundreds of hours someone has to farm a title? Your alt didn't farm that gear or that cp again this making them dq from unlocking such things.

You are acting like achieving godslayer on 10 toons is an accomplishment. Anything after the first time just shows you are literally one of the best players to play this game. You should be allowed to be proud of something what maybe 5-10% of the total community can achieve as an individual?

I, along with a lot of people play games to escape the real world. It's not a job, your not getting paid for it, you don't make a profit of zos getting skill line sales or housing or costumes or crates....... I don't get why people are so up tight and against this quality of life thing.

(Ps people kept saying you wouldn't be able to switch factions because it would breaks lore..... Guess what? We can.......)

You say people with less time are pushing their agenda on others that put "so much time and effort into the game" not trying to sound rude or anything man but get sun lately besides sitting near a window? I mean just because you want to no life something doesn't mean everyone wants to.

This is a free to play mmo..... Ff14 is straight sub only unless you are a new player this is something you should expect there not here. The big difference is that games dungeons make this one's look like child's play you have 10 moves on eso..... They have like 30+ moves. Your rotation is hard to master...... Just imagine theirs...... Free to play is a big reason people flock to this game just like people flocked to dcuo when it turned free to play.

Again somethings should be met somewhere in the middle so you retain both players the hardcore and casual or else all the casual players that spend lots of money for housing items leave to the next game. Then your harder content doesn't get as much work and time put into because they are running low on money....... It's not rocket science. Every mmo has to face it eventually and most mmos don't last more than 10 years.... Eso has been what 7?

People aren't asking for the title for free, simply if you ran it and obtained the title then they want it that's all.

tmbrinks

nvm...

I'm getting out of this rabbit hole... seeing the subsequent posts are more belittling and demeaning.

ZOS_Lunar

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