ACCOUNT WIDE ACHIEVEMENTS AND TITLES

Jayroo

AlnilamE wrote: »

Jayroo wrote: »

Gamingdays wrote: »

Simply no. I worked hard to get true genius on my sorc and as much as a pain it was to get it I don’t want the achievement devalued by just being able to put it on any toon. I could make a new toon and it suddenly has the title. It would just simply devalue it.

Simply yes. It won't devalue anything. In fact, it would encourage people to actually do them, and to switch "Mains".
Right now I'm stuck getting achievements on ONE character I made 5 years ago. But no lets keep it character locked because "muh uniqueness"

So doing each achievement on the easiest class for that particular achievement won't devalue them?

No.

Amottica

Tandor wrote: »

Thechuckage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

I will never understand why people are against account-wide achievements. Why do you care if someone displays a title that they didn't get on that specific character? They still had to grind and work hard with a character to get that achievement.

A lot of this comes down to the fact that some players - perhaps predominantly from an action-based console background - believe everything is done by the player, while other players - perhaps predominantly from a RPG-based PC background - believe everything is done by the character. Another factor is that those who argue for account-wide achievements tend not to want to play their alts through normal progression but just have them instantly ready for "endgame", while those who argue for character-specific achievements want to play through the full game with their alts as equal characters.

Could you expound on the second half of that? Because I don't think anyone has asked for that. Or is asking for insta-50s.

This subject has been raised very many times, and a common theme is that people wanting account-wide achievements are levelling up alts to 50 in a few hours at e.g. dolmens in order to jump quickly to endgame but complain at the time it then takes to level up everything else that they feel they need, plus they don't want to have to repeat achievements which they've already done, so once one character has achieved something they want all the other characters to benefit automatically. Other players who are opposed to account-wide achievements aren't so concerned with endgame but want to progress all their characters individually through the game.

That was the point I was making, not that people are asking for insta-50s as such, they pretty much have that already. It's a quicker way of getting everything else that is the motivation for account-wide achievements and titles coupled with the desire not to repeat content they've already done - which conversely for many players is the whole point of having multiple characters.

I can say I do not "power level" characters in any game. Heck, I do not even know what to do in ESO to power level a character to 50 in a matter of a few hours and I would like to see account-wide achievements. Not necessarily account-wide titles.

I would also suggest that power leveling an alt is not a major factor in those wanting account-wide achievements Would be interested in seeing how it was determined that it is these power-levelers that this. The major factor is clearly players that have alts and play the various alts. I expect a great many players do not "power level" their alts as I have learned the importance of gaining skill points.

In the end, it is helpful to have account-wide achievements as a player can see what they have accomplished without having to hop around a dozen times to see all the achievements. It also does no harm whatsoever to the game to bring an account-wide achievement list into the game.

achoo420

What ever happened to gamers wanting to get everything in the game? Every game I've ever played my goal was to first hit max level then after then unlocking everything within the game, its called conquering the game. Something that can't be done in any MMO and ESO has the potential of being the FIRST ever MMO to be a conquerable game if they actually add account wide achievements.

achoo420

Amottica wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Thechuckage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

I will never understand why people are against account-wide achievements. Why do you care if someone displays a title that they didn't get on that specific character? They still had to grind and work hard with a character to get that achievement.

A lot of this comes down to the fact that some players - perhaps predominantly from an action-based console background - believe everything is done by the player, while other players - perhaps predominantly from a RPG-based PC background - believe everything is done by the character. Another factor is that those who argue for account-wide achievements tend not to want to play their alts through normal progression but just have them instantly ready for "endgame", while those who argue for character-specific achievements want to play through the full game with their alts as equal characters.

Could you expound on the second half of that? Because I don't think anyone has asked for that. Or is asking for insta-50s.

This subject has been raised very many times, and a common theme is that people wanting account-wide achievements are levelling up alts to 50 in a few hours at e.g. dolmens in order to jump quickly to endgame but complain at the time it then takes to level up everything else that they feel they need, plus they don't want to have to repeat achievements which they've already done, so once one character has achieved something they want all the other characters to benefit automatically. Other players who are opposed to account-wide achievements aren't so concerned with endgame but want to progress all their characters individually through the game.

That was the point I was making, not that people are asking for insta-50s as such, they pretty much have that already. It's a quicker way of getting everything else that is the motivation for account-wide achievements and titles coupled with the desire not to repeat content they've already done - which conversely for many players is the whole point of having multiple characters.

I can say I do not "power level" characters in any game. Heck, I do not even know what to do in ESO to power level a character to 50 in a matter of a few hours and I would like to see account-wide achievements. Not necessarily account-wide titles.

I would also suggest that power leveling an alt is not a major factor in those wanting account-wide achievements Would be interested in seeing how it was determined that it is these power-levelers that this. The major factor is clearly players that have alts and play the various alts. I expect a great many players do not "power level" their alts as I have learned the importance of gaining skill points.

In the end, it is helpful to have account-wide achievements as a player can see what they have accomplished without having to hop around a dozen times to see all the achievements. It also does no harm whatsoever to the game to bring an account-wide achievement list into the game.

Power level doing random dungeons or grind at places like Motalion Necropolis, Alik'r Desert. Super easy to level and yes many us have power leveled to 50. Me being one of them with 18 characters, which are all fun to play but I don't feel its worth investing too much time into them all because of this achievement issue. As many of us keep pointing out is that we don't have the life span to get all the achievements for them all because the game is already a grind fest and more content is coming. We can not keep up with that nor do we want too. We love to have account wide titles and achievements so we can relax and play the game, not feel like we're at work and need to bust our *** for the next thing in line.

Amottica

achoo420 wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Thechuckage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

I will never understand why people are against account-wide achievements. Why do you care if someone displays a title that they didn't get on that specific character? They still had to grind and work hard with a character to get that achievement.

A lot of this comes down to the fact that some players - perhaps predominantly from an action-based console background - believe everything is done by the player, while other players - perhaps predominantly from a RPG-based PC background - believe everything is done by the character. Another factor is that those who argue for account-wide achievements tend not to want to play their alts through normal progression but just have them instantly ready for "endgame", while those who argue for character-specific achievements want to play through the full game with their alts as equal characters.

Could you expound on the second half of that? Because I don't think anyone has asked for that. Or is asking for insta-50s.

This subject has been raised very many times, and a common theme is that people wanting account-wide achievements are levelling up alts to 50 in a few hours at e.g. dolmens in order to jump quickly to endgame but complain at the time it then takes to level up everything else that they feel they need, plus they don't want to have to repeat achievements which they've already done, so once one character has achieved something they want all the other characters to benefit automatically. Other players who are opposed to account-wide achievements aren't so concerned with endgame but want to progress all their characters individually through the game.

That was the point I was making, not that people are asking for insta-50s as such, they pretty much have that already. It's a quicker way of getting everything else that is the motivation for account-wide achievements and titles coupled with the desire not to repeat content they've already done - which conversely for many players is the whole point of having multiple characters.

I can say I do not "power level" characters in any game. Heck, I do not even know what to do in ESO to power level a character to 50 in a matter of a few hours and I would like to see account-wide achievements. Not necessarily account-wide titles.

I would also suggest that power leveling an alt is not a major factor in those wanting account-wide achievements Would be interested in seeing how it was determined that it is these power-levelers that this. The major factor is clearly players that have alts and play the various alts. I expect a great many players do not "power level" their alts as I have learned the importance of gaining skill points.

In the end, it is helpful to have account-wide achievements as a player can see what they have accomplished without having to hop around a dozen times to see all the achievements. It also does no harm whatsoever to the game to bring an account-wide achievement list into the game.

Power level doing random dungeons or grind at places like Motalion Necropolis, Alik'r Desert. Super easy to level and yes many us have power leveled to 50. Me being one of them with 18 characters, which are all fun to play but I don't feel its worth investing too much time into them all because of this achievement issue. As many of us keep pointing out is that we don't have the life span to get all the achievements for them all because the game is already a grind fest and more content is coming. We can not keep up with that nor do we want too. We love to have account wide titles and achievements so we can relax and play the game, not feel like we're at work and need to bust our *** for the next thing in line.

Thank you for the information about power leveling. I am sure many have done such things but also expect that those that power level are not the majority of players interested in account-wide achievements. I also do not see how it would be an issue either way.

I do agree that having account-wide achievements would be very beneficial and would cause no harm. Heck, if I wanted to see if someone is familiar with some content when forming a group it is irrelevant if it was on that character or not. If I wanted more detailed information I should ask. Even at that, we do not know if they were carried or not even with the strict character-based achievement we currently have. So it is something I fail to see where the problem lies.

Hopefully, Zos listens to reason so we can have a dual account-wide and character-based achievement system. That way everyone gets what they want.

kargen27

iksde wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

I will never understand why people are against account-wide achievements. Why do you care if someone displays a title that they didn't get on that specific character? They still had to grind and work hard with a character to get that achievement.

A big part of an MMO's long term success is in players repeating content. Making titles and achievements character specific is good for the health of the game going forward.

repeating content like just grind for items, gear, exp or whatever or just long achievs(look at murkmire prepper)....but repeating again and agains same achiev? especialy if we want to get literally every achiev and then repeat all of this on alt?
small reminder of someone who as playing since beta and got literally every achievs after playing 5 years ths game, just on 1 character.....now we have this game 7 years yes? so even more achievs to gain and still more are incomming...gll to get tham all all again even jsut on 2nd character without mentioning to get this done on atleast each class alt (6 characters total)

To me that is all just part of playing the game. I still haven't got all the trophy achievements on my main character. I eventually will I hope. I don't want my other characters contributing to that though. I would like to see a tab that lists all the achievements and which characters received them. I don't want them shared across characters though.

If you aren't going to get the achievements on each character through playing the game what is the point of having each character with that achievement? If it is all about completion I would think for it to be true completion you would want to do it on each character.

TelvanniWizard

I don't mind if it is just another new tab in the journal, or if it is merged with the current one. I just want to see my global progress in-game, without login out or changing characters.

xericdx

I don't mind either way, I just would like to be able to buy furniture on any characters and not only the one with the achievement

colossalvoids

I like the current system that is kinda hybrid, there are character achievements but cosmetics are serverwide so you are getting both sides covered in a sense. What I would absolutely dislike is that grindy achievements (amount of daily quests, mobs killed, do/avoid this mechanic xyz times etc) objectives would be increased highly when it's shared and probably would heavily discourage to farm those for a lot of players me included, some are already borderline "can't be bothered enough".

iksde

achoo420 wrote: »

What ever happened to gamers wanting to get everything in the game? Every game I've ever played my goal was to first hit max level then after then unlocking everything within the game, its called conquering the game. Something that can't be done in any MMO and ESO has the potential of being the FIRST ever MMO to be a conquerable game if they actually add account wide achievements.

kargen27 wrote: »

If you aren't going to get the achievements on each character through playing the game what is the point of having each character with that achievement? If it is all about completion I would think for it to be true completion you would want to do it on each character.

yes completionism, to have 100% of possibilites done in game

and this is impossible to get i tall along with alts, it is already so hard and grindy to get all of this on single character

and @kargen27 did you read fully my post before? I was mentioning an player which was writing on forum around 2 years ago - 5 years since game release - how he finally menaged to get 100% of game achievs, after 5 years - try now to get it again on just 2nd alt, not on 10 alt more...just on 2nd alt - gl! while also every new patch we are getting more achievs to get

I will spoiler it:

it is impossibel to get 100% of achievs on many alts, it is even barely viable if at all to get all of it on 2nd character when you get it on 1st

I already have 41k achiev points on my main out of 45.4k to get, I could have atleast 1k more if I could have some achievs from alts to be on main when I wasnt playing main because I was sick of playing same class for 4+ years in row and Im playing this game since beta with some breaks...so nty, Im not going to spent another 7 years in total to get these 40k achiev points just on 2nd character becasue my main class bored me again without mentioing there would be 4 different classes more to use outside my main and 1 alt I play sometimes

current system makes me just to play less becase everything I want to get done I have it stuck to single character, to single class which is getting boring after longer playing af same class and so making me to get play less or getting break out of game because of playing single class for progressiong because I have no willing getting things not only same again on other alt but especially getting new things done on alts (achievs) and then unable or having hard time to get it again on my main because of no people for later for so hard group achievs or worse RNG of getting something

AlnilamE

Amottica wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Thechuckage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

I will never understand why people are against account-wide achievements. Why do you care if someone displays a title that they didn't get on that specific character? They still had to grind and work hard with a character to get that achievement.

A lot of this comes down to the fact that some players - perhaps predominantly from an action-based console background - believe everything is done by the player, while other players - perhaps predominantly from a RPG-based PC background - believe everything is done by the character. Another factor is that those who argue for account-wide achievements tend not to want to play their alts through normal progression but just have them instantly ready for "endgame", while those who argue for character-specific achievements want to play through the full game with their alts as equal characters.

Could you expound on the second half of that? Because I don't think anyone has asked for that. Or is asking for insta-50s.

This subject has been raised very many times, and a common theme is that people wanting account-wide achievements are levelling up alts to 50 in a few hours at e.g. dolmens in order to jump quickly to endgame but complain at the time it then takes to level up everything else that they feel they need, plus they don't want to have to repeat achievements which they've already done, so once one character has achieved something they want all the other characters to benefit automatically. Other players who are opposed to account-wide achievements aren't so concerned with endgame but want to progress all their characters individually through the game.

That was the point I was making, not that people are asking for insta-50s as such, they pretty much have that already. It's a quicker way of getting everything else that is the motivation for account-wide achievements and titles coupled with the desire not to repeat content they've already done - which conversely for many players is the whole point of having multiple characters.

I can say I do not "power level" characters in any game. Heck, I do not even know what to do in ESO to power level a character to 50 in a matter of a few hours and I would like to see account-wide achievements. Not necessarily account-wide titles.

I would also suggest that power leveling an alt is not a major factor in those wanting account-wide achievements Would be interested in seeing how it was determined that it is these power-levelers that this. The major factor is clearly players that have alts and play the various alts. I expect a great many players do not "power level" their alts as I have learned the importance of gaining skill points.

In the end, it is helpful to have account-wide achievements as a player can see what they have accomplished without having to hop around a dozen times to see all the achievements. It also does no harm whatsoever to the game to bring an account-wide achievement list into the game.

I'm all for having an account-wide overview of achievements, where you can see what you've done across the account, and preferably see which of your characters have completed that particular achievement. This seems like a very simple aggregation that ZOS can provide, and Kyoma's addon does on PC if you have that.

But what people are asking for here (it seems to me) is that if they got one part of an achievement with character A and another part of an achievement with character B and then the last part with character C, they should now have the Trifecta achievement on the account. Which would require an overhaul of the achievement system, and lead to excruciatingly grindy achievements, like Guild Wars 2 has. So I'd rather not have that.

agegarton

Personally I’d like to see account wide achievements, or at least be able to toggle that on. I want to be able to see what I have done, as the player, on my account. I don’t want to have to totally respect my character to gain every achievement in the game. I want to play my way, like the adverts say.

One option here would be to add an account-wide achievements screen.

I’m not concerned about account-wide titles. To be honest, I don’t care much about in-game titles at all. I’d be happy for titles to remain character locked.

TheCommentator

AlnilamE wrote: »

But what people are asking for here (it seems to me) is that if they got one part of an achievement with character A and another part of an achievement with character B and then the last part with character C, they should now have the Trifecta achievement on the account. Which would require an overhaul of the achievement system, and lead to excruciatingly grindy achievements, like Guild Wars 2 has. So I'd rather not have that.

I personally don't want this, all I want is an official Kyoma's so people actually consider it "real". I'd be happy with a toggle global/character. And to show whether you have the achievement on the character you're logged on to, why not make the date under the achievement pic smaller and add the character name, and that can be greyed in/out or something like that.

Ippokrates

The only thing that would works in this situation, is turning player account into "House" and treating every char as a house member. Then some achievements could be used by every char, as they will not have to develop it personally but can rely on "tribal opinion"

iksde

Ippokrates wrote: »

The only thing that would works in this situation, is turning player account into "House" and treating every char as a house member. Then some achievements could be used by every char, as they will not have to develop it personally but can rely on "tribal opinion"

I was giving idea in different thread, long ago about "familiy" or something like that of our characters for achievs so people still could have their all achievs per character, someone else at start of this thread suggested about souldgem binding our character souls which we want to have shared achievs still leaving for rest players no need to bind tat and having these achievs per character etc

I see there is some and could be even more even for immersion options to make and "accound wide" achievs for all or for some character we will want while still keeping per character achievs option for players who dont want this account wide

Elsonso

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AlnilamE wrote: »

Jayroo wrote: »

Gamingdays wrote: »

Simply no. I worked hard to get true genius on my sorc and as much as a pain it was to get it I don’t want the achievement devalued by just being able to put it on any toon. I could make a new toon and it suddenly has the title. It would just simply devalue it.

Simply yes. It won't devalue anything. In fact, it would encourage people to actually do them, and to switch "Mains".
Right now I'm stuck getting achievements on ONE character I made 5 years ago. But no lets keep it character locked because "muh uniqueness"

So doing each achievement on the easiest class for that particular achievement won't devalue them?

Nope.

Once they are account wide, they are drastically reduced in value. After that, doing it on the harder class is just paying too much.

If you can buy something for $10 or $9 and spend $10, it is still only worth $9.

tmbrinks

achoo420 wrote: »

What ever happened to gamers wanting to get everything in the game? Every game I've ever played my goal was to first hit max level then after then unlocking everything within the game, its called conquering the game. Something that can't be done in any MMO and ESO has the potential of being the FIRST ever MMO to be a conquerable game if they actually add account wide achievements.

There's a thread here in these very forums... showing at least a half dozen people who have gotten every achievement in the game... on a single character.

One person has every single achievement on multiple characters.

So, not only is it plausible to do on a single character, it has been done, multiple times.

Edit to add direct link to the forum post for the end of the Markarth patch.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7157490/#Comment_7157490

TheCommentator

tmbrinks wrote: »

There's a thread here in these very forums... showing at least a half dozen people who have gotten every achievement in the game... on a single character.

Bit off topic but all I see is Magicka builds and tanks. This is the main problem, some people I know just want to play stamina. Global achievements or actually fixing up issues regarding stamina builds are solutions. (Oh and make dragonknight decent for DDs)

tmbrinks

TheCommentator wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

There's a thread here in these very forums... showing at least a half dozen people who have gotten every achievement in the game... on a single character.

Bit off topic but all I see is Magicka builds and tanks. This is the main problem, some people I know just want to play stamina. Global achievements or actually fixing up issues regarding stamina builds are solutions. (Oh and make dragonknight decent for DDs)

Magicka has more survivablity, stam does more damage. Last time I did any PvP, it was dominated by stam and their dizzying swing/executioner spam. Each has it's pros and cons.

achoo420

tmbrinks wrote: »

achoo420 wrote: »

What ever happened to gamers wanting to get everything in the game? Every game I've ever played my goal was to first hit max level then after then unlocking everything within the game, its called conquering the game. Something that can't be done in any MMO and ESO has the potential of being the FIRST ever MMO to be a conquerable game if they actually add account wide achievements.

There's a thread here in these very forums... showing at least a half dozen people who have gotten every achievement in the game... on a single character.

One person has every single achievement on multiple characters.

So, not only is it plausible to do on a single character, it has been done, multiple times.

Edit to add direct link to the forum post for the end of the Markarth patch.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7157490/#Comment_7157490

Are they of the working class people or they kids? If you can make the game your living then yes I'm sure it can done for certain class people. I main a healer and there's no way in heck I'm going to keep tearing my gear apart and respect just to make it happen. Also the points that are being made is that we don't have the time or life span to accomplish this and want a fighting chance. Most of us once we gear a character we wish to leave it alone.

TheCommentator

tmbrinks wrote: »

Magicka has more survivablity, stam does more damage. Last time I did any PvP, it was dominated by stam and their dizzying swing/executioner spam. Each has it's pros and cons.

Sorry I mean for PvE. With most raid groups limiting or even outright banning stamina players from joining, something needs fixing. But regardless, this is off topic.

tmbrinks

achoo420 wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

achoo420 wrote: »

What ever happened to gamers wanting to get everything in the game? Every game I've ever played my goal was to first hit max level then after then unlocking everything within the game, its called conquering the game. Something that can't be done in any MMO and ESO has the potential of being the FIRST ever MMO to be a conquerable game if they actually add account wide achievements.

There's a thread here in these very forums... showing at least a half dozen people who have gotten every achievement in the game... on a single character.

One person has every single achievement on multiple characters.

So, not only is it plausible to do on a single character, it has been done, multiple times.

Edit to add direct link to the forum post for the end of the Markarth patch.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7157490/#Comment_7157490

Are they of the working class people or they kids? If you can make the game your living then yes I'm sure it can done for certain class people. I main a healer and there's no way in heck I'm going to keep tearing my gear apart and respect just to make it happen. Also the points that are being made is that we don't have the time or life span to accomplish this and want a fighting chance. Most of us once we gear a character we wish to leave it alone.

I'm working on getting all of them. I'm at 44.6k+ points. I have a full-time job, have for the last 15 years. I don't have any kids, but do all the other things that you'd expect. Socialize w/ friends. Date. Travel. etc...

Also, why are you tearing apart your gear? I main a healer as well. You have multiple sets to use. For the tri-fecta titles I have in dungeons... I have gotten 2 of them tanking on this character, 2 of them as a dps, and the remainder as a healer/dps (some as 3 DPS/1 Tank setups, where I'm doing some support along w/ DPS). Forcing yourself into the rigidity of a specific role will lessen your chances of getting achievements. I'm glad I practiced the DPS side of things, as I'm now the "buff healer" in my group, which is essentially a DPS in support sets, so I'm able to significantly contribute as needed in that role.

tmbrinks

TheCommentator wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Magicka has more survivablity, stam does more damage. Last time I did any PvP, it was dominated by stam and their dizzying swing/executioner spam. Each has it's pros and cons.

Sorry I mean for PvE. With most raid groups limiting or even outright banning stamina players from joining, something needs fixing. But regardless, this is off topic.

There have been stamina Godslayer groups.

If that achievement has been done on Stamina... then all other achievements are possible (not easy mind you)

achoo420

tmbrinks wrote: »

TheCommentator wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Magicka has more survivablity, stam does more damage. Last time I did any PvP, it was dominated by stam and their dizzying swing/executioner spam. Each has it's pros and cons.

Sorry I mean for PvE. With most raid groups limiting or even outright banning stamina players from joining, something needs fixing. But regardless, this is off topic.

There have been stamina Godslayer groups.

If that achievement has been done on Stamina... then all other achievements are possible (not easy mind you)

Ok, now mind you that is one character, now do it 17 more times how old will you be?

achoo420

achoo420 wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

TheCommentator wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Magicka has more survivablity, stam does more damage. Last time I did any PvP, it was dominated by stam and their dizzying swing/executioner spam. Each has it's pros and cons.

Sorry I mean for PvE. With most raid groups limiting or even outright banning stamina players from joining, something needs fixing. But regardless, this is off topic.

There have been stamina Godslayer groups.

If that achievement has been done on Stamina... then all other achievements are possible (not easy mind you)

Ok, now mind you that is one character, now do it 17 more times how old will you be?

sorry grabbed the wrong quote

achoo420

tmbrinks wrote: »

achoo420 wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

achoo420 wrote: »

What ever happened to gamers wanting to get everything in the game? Every game I've ever played my goal was to first hit max level then after then unlocking everything within the game, its called conquering the game. Something that can't be done in any MMO and ESO has the potential of being the FIRST ever MMO to be a conquerable game if they actually add account wide achievements.

There's a thread here in these very forums... showing at least a half dozen people who have gotten every achievement in the game... on a single character.

One person has every single achievement on multiple characters.

So, not only is it plausible to do on a single character, it has been done, multiple times.

Edit to add direct link to the forum post for the end of the Markarth patch.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7157490/#Comment_7157490

Are they of the working class people or they kids? If you can make the game your living then yes I'm sure it can done for certain class people. I main a healer and there's no way in heck I'm going to keep tearing my gear apart and respect just to make it happen. Also the points that are being made is that we don't have the time or life span to accomplish this and want a fighting chance. Most of us once we gear a character we wish to leave it alone.

I'm working on getting all of them. I'm at 44.6k+ points. I have a full-time job, have for the last 15 years. I don't have any kids, but do all the other things that you'd expect. Socialize w/ friends. Date. Travel. etc...

Also, why are you tearing apart your gear? I main a healer as well. You have multiple sets to use. For the tri-fecta titles I have in dungeons... I have gotten 2 of them tanking on this character, 2 of them as a dps, and the remainder as a healer/dps (some as 3 DPS/1 Tank setups, where I'm doing some support along w/ DPS). Forcing yourself into the rigidity of a specific role will lessen your chances of getting achievements. I'm glad I practiced the DPS side of things, as I'm now the "buff healer" in my group, which is essentially a DPS in support sets, so I'm able to significantly contribute as needed in that role.

Ok, mind you that is only one character, now do it 17 more times how old will you be? Will you even still have interest in the game after you done every tedious grind for every new DLC and Chapter they release?

tmbrinks

achoo420 wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

TheCommentator wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Magicka has more survivablity, stam does more damage. Last time I did any PvP, it was dominated by stam and their dizzying swing/executioner spam. Each has it's pros and cons.

Sorry I mean for PvE. With most raid groups limiting or even outright banning stamina players from joining, something needs fixing. But regardless, this is off topic.

There have been stamina Godslayer groups.

If that achievement has been done on Stamina... then all other achievements are possible (not easy mind you)

Ok, now mind you that is one character, now do it 17 more times how old will you be?

What does this "appeal to extremes" do for the debate. A dialogue can't happen from statements like this, as there is no plausible debate with this.

Lunch break is over. Back to work. Maybe will work on some more achievements when I get home.

TheCommentator

tmbrinks wrote: »

I'm working on getting all of them. I'm at 44.6k+ points. I have a full-time job, have for the last 15 years. I don't have any kids, but do all the other things that you'd expect. Socialize w/ friends. Date. Travel. etc...

May I ask what is your Class/Race (eso obviously)?
Like lets pretend this scenario: I have around 1k into the game, I created a dragonknight because that sounds cool! I have some of the harder to get harvest achievements and some Vet DLC dungeon HM achievements as my DPS is okay say 60k but not godly 90k+ - This is my main. How can I ever really get godslayer/TTT? I'd really be struggling to push 90k+ dps regardless of magicka or stam. But why should I have to make a new character to get that achievement, and then farm all the other achievements I already have, just because I decided "Wow Dragonknight sounds cool!"
Either global achievements fix this or rebalancing the game does.
My point being, your class highly effects what achievements you can get (both in PvE and PvP) and adding a global achievement toggle is a much easier fix than having to balance everything perfectly.

TheCommentator

tmbrinks wrote: »

There have been stamina Godslayer groups.

If that achievement has been done on Stamina... then all other achievements are possible (not easy mind you)

But why should I as a DK have to work twice as hard for an achievement compared to my pet sorc friend?

achoo420

Also the other reason why I mentioned tearing apart gear is because you ain't goin into PvP with PvE gear on and expecting to do well that is delusional. So yes you have to keep respecting and re gear up so you're spending even more time in the game getting the gold to do this, or back to our point. You're grinding to get set pieces needed and hoping it drops.