ACCOUNT WIDE ACHIEVEMENTS AND TITLES

Thechuckage

I would like to see account wide achieves. As others have stated, makes playing on alts more enjoyable because one achieve or another is going to receive progress. This could also open the door for repeatable achieves for those who really have that particular itch.

If the same model as other games is followed, this won't touch any type of quest progression, skill points or other issues.

End of the day, it is the player earning the achieves. I don't see why the player shouldn't have access to all of them. As for titles, not my cup o' tea, so really couldn't care less if they go account wide or not. Esp when you can buy them, regardless if some did or not.

UGotBenched91

I will never understand why people are against account-wide achievements. Why do you care if someone displays a title that they didn't get on that specific character? They still had to grind and work hard with a character to get that achievement.

Tandor

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

I will never understand why people are against account-wide achievements. Why do you care if someone displays a title that they didn't get on that specific character? They still had to grind and work hard with a character to get that achievement.

Principally because it takes away the whole point of playing multiple characters for many people, plus it diminishes the achievement/title if it's earned through employing the skills of one class and is then handed without any effort to another class employing different skills.

A lot of this comes down to the fact that some players - perhaps predominantly from an action-based console background - believe everything is done by the player, while other players - perhaps predominantly from a RPG-based PC background - believe everything is done by the character. Another factor is that those who argue for account-wide achievements tend not to want to play their alts through normal progression but just have them instantly ready for "endgame", while those who argue for character-specific achievements want to play through the full game with their alts as equal characters.

In the case of ESO, there's also the fact that ZOS have recognised that some players like account-wide achievements while other players like character-specific achievements. They've reflected that difference in approach in the way that they have balanced things so collections, CPs, dye unlocks etc are account-wide while most achievements and titles are character-specific. They've balanced these things very well, but the followers of one approach want everything swung their way while the followers of the other approach make no attempt to swing things their way and would prefer the present balance to be retained.

Both sets of players have equally valid approaches given the way they each play the game, which is why the present balance between these approaches should be maintained in my view.

tomofhyrule

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

I will never understand why people are against account-wide achievements. Why do you care if someone displays a title that they didn't get on that specific character? They still had to grind and work hard with a character to get that achievement.

By the same token...

"I don't understand why people are so against character-specific achievements. Why are you forcing me to saddle my characters with achievements that I specifically try to avoid since it goes against their personality? You can still get all the achievements on the same toon if you just play one and then respec it as necessary."

As has been said before, the difference is the people who believe that characters are tools to play the game, versus those who believe the characters are telling their own stories. Many roleplayers won't want to open their Lawful Good paladin and see "Murdered 1000 innocents!" as their latest task - it goes against the character. Other people see their toons as nothing more than a hammer that they do things with, and honestly could care less about what that character represents.

The Player-focused players see character-based achievements as a deterrent, in case they get the achieve on the 'wrong' character. They'd rather just play the game with the best tools available. The RP-focused players see the achievements tab as a character's history in game, whereas global achievements are basically erasing their history. Most players on one side can't see it from the other side, because they don't feel the same way about the characters - for one, it's just pixels, for the other, it's a character they crafted with a life of its own.

The best option is to keep character achievements so the RP-focused players can still see them, but then add a 'global' tab so the Player-focused players can see what they've done on another tab. There are addons that do that - for PC players. That allows both groups to get what they want.

And again, the game is currently built around character achievements. Making these annoying collectable ones global will probably come with a 10x amount of the things to collect.

karekiz

tomofhyrule wrote: »

By the same token...

No where near the same. Anyone can choose to not wear a title until they gain it in game.

WeerW3ir

please no.

Jeremy

n3fieu wrote: »

I mean is it really that hard? Hey thanks for spending X amount of hours grinding this tedious thing for this tedious title. Now do it 7 more times.

Account Wide Achievements would be nice, especially considering this game doesn't have a class change option. The amount of work required to do everything over again on this game is pretty huge, and very few people have that much time on their hand.

lihentian

there are just simply way too much achievement to do on every character. i support this idea

AlnilamE

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

I will never understand why people are against account-wide achievements. Why do you care if someone displays a title that they didn't get on that specific character? They still had to grind and work hard with a character to get that achievement.

I don't actually care about the titles being account-wide or not.

But I care about repeating achievements I enjoy working on on alts.

Nirntrotter wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Nirntrotter wrote: »

Keep the rewards character bound, but an account wide achiev overview would be so, so helpful. Please ZOS release me from my DK prison

Your signature indicates you're on PC.

Kyoma's Global Achievements will do this.

I'm aware, but I would like an official version that includes the whole playersbase, even if anonymised by default. The fact that an addon developer could do it just reinforces that wish for me.

An overview by default would be nice.

But the addon is simply logging each character's achievements to a saved_variables file while you play, since no character is going to earn an achievement when you're not playing them.

Sirona_Starr

Elsonso wrote: »

Sirona_Starr wrote: »

So, I would hope all the people that are against account-wide achievements don't use account-wide cp, right? Otherwise, if you do, it's pretty hypocritical, to my way of thinking.

Sadly, there isn't much choice. It is impossible to separate the CP of the characters in the Champion System. If you have three glasses of water, and pour them into a bucket, you cannot separate the water back into the three glasses that they came from.

We can rally against changes we don't want before they become part of the game. Once they become part of the game, the time of rallying against them seems to be over. All that can be done is to rally against the next change on the same slippery slope.

You don't have to assign CP to characters that haven't earned the cp. Just don't put the points in

Thechuckage

Tandor wrote: »

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

I will never understand why people are against account-wide achievements. Why do you care if someone displays a title that they didn't get on that specific character? They still had to grind and work hard with a character to get that achievement.

A lot of this comes down to the fact that some players - perhaps predominantly from an action-based console background - believe everything is done by the player, while other players - perhaps predominantly from a RPG-based PC background - believe everything is done by the character. Another factor is that those who argue for account-wide achievements tend not to want to play their alts through normal progression but just have them instantly ready for "endgame", while those who argue for character-specific achievements want to play through the full game with their alts as equal characters.

Could you expound on the second half of that? Because I don't think anyone has asked for that. Or is asking for insta-50s.

Elsonso

Sirona_Starr wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Sirona_Starr wrote: »

So, I would hope all the people that are against account-wide achievements don't use account-wide cp, right? Otherwise, if you do, it's pretty hypocritical, to my way of thinking.

Sadly, there isn't much choice. It is impossible to separate the CP of the characters in the Champion System. If you have three glasses of water, and pour them into a bucket, you cannot separate the water back into the three glasses that they came from.

We can rally against changes we don't want before they become part of the game. Once they become part of the game, the time of rallying against them seems to be over. All that can be done is to rally against the next change on the same slippery slope.

You don't have to assign CP to characters that haven't earned the cp. Just don't put the points in

How do I know how many CP each character has earned so that I can put the correct number of points into the characters that have earned them?

AlnilamE

Elsonso wrote: »

Sirona_Starr wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Sirona_Starr wrote: »

So, I would hope all the people that are against account-wide achievements don't use account-wide cp, right? Otherwise, if you do, it's pretty hypocritical, to my way of thinking.

Sadly, there isn't much choice. It is impossible to separate the CP of the characters in the Champion System. If you have three glasses of water, and pour them into a bucket, you cannot separate the water back into the three glasses that they came from.

We can rally against changes we don't want before they become part of the game. Once they become part of the game, the time of rallying against them seems to be over. All that can be done is to rally against the next change on the same slippery slope.

You don't have to assign CP to characters that haven't earned the cp. Just don't put the points in

How do I know how many CP each character has earned so that I can put the correct number of points into the characters that have earned them?

You could probably make a good guess by looking at the /played for each character (though do you really want to know how much time you have spent here?)

Sirona_Starr

Elsonso wrote: »

Sirona_Starr wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Sirona_Starr wrote: »

So, I would hope all the people that are against account-wide achievements don't use account-wide cp, right? Otherwise, if you do, it's pretty hypocritical, to my way of thinking.

Sadly, there isn't much choice. It is impossible to separate the CP of the characters in the Champion System. If you have three glasses of water, and pour them into a bucket, you cannot separate the water back into the three glasses that they came from.

We can rally against changes we don't want before they become part of the game. Once they become part of the game, the time of rallying against them seems to be over. All that can be done is to rally against the next change on the same slippery slope.

You don't have to assign CP to characters that haven't earned the cp. Just don't put the points in

How do I know how many CP each character has earned so that I can put the correct number of points into the characters that have earned them?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14l_K_29Hyj4cjuCAcbCdeGBtLAMRjdbNz78zS6kTjZc/edit?pli=1#gid=917381148

Athan1

Nah it's actually fine as is, we don't need them to be account-wide.

iksde

Ringing_Nirnroot wrote: »

I’d love to have godslayer on my crafter that gets killed by mudcrabs

tbh you can already with mount earned by getting god slaer while having at once emperor regalia costume and wearing sking from vet trials or dung nodeaths-speedruns-HM's along with personalities for same challenges from vet dlc dungs while having at once dyed emperor regalia costume with "Grand Overlord's Brass"

and you can even not only on your crafter which already need to have some skills and skillpoints craft but you can do all of this on freshly created 1 lvl character stuck in tutorial! wow! with not to mention it can use also all of your earned before cp and tbh it can even wear crafted gear from your another character, golden, with sets, all on 1 lvl!

iksde

LalMirchi wrote: »

No thank you. I play every alt as a separate character and like the current system as every alt has to work (hard) for their own achievements.

and I play alts different classes than my main sometime sonly to get break from my main class

I wish I had option to abandon main sotryquest from quest log from them because it is only taking space in my quest log very unecessary as I have no intentions to go for it making my quest log on alts less clear

Amottica

Chaos2088 wrote: »

If we did get this, would want an account wide one and a character one.

This is a good idea. The titles can be linked to the character one while the account one lists all achievements.

If someone wanted to know if I cleared something it is fairly irrelevant if I cleared it on a specific character, even class. A player that knows what they are doing gets up to speed fast and nothing shows if they were carried before or they truly contributed.

newtinmpls

n3fieu wrote: »

I mean is it really that hard?

If you played "a team" it would make sense.

You play "a character" hence it doesn't make sense.

achoo420

I love the idea of account wide titles. You can already kinda purchase titles in guild store by buying skyshards and skill lines on alternate characters, those characters didn't earn those yet they come with titles. So your argument is null, besides that everything else is account wide.

gresiac

No, don’t want it

achoo420

Why not it's just as simple as unlocking it once for your whole account and simply character switch to the appropriate character that is needed. Unlocking titles account wide in my opinion would add more for the roleplaying aspect for nerds like me who have 18 characters all level 50. I want to have fun playing with titles, again most of us are recognized for our account names anyway and not by character names. We still earned it by completing the achievement already and everything else is tide to account. I don't see any valid arguments on why it shouldn't be a thing. Just a bunch of good reasons on why it should be added to the game.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

- Achievements YES
- Titles NO

My main is a Vampire and there are achievements he will never obtain such as the Werewolf achievements.

achoo420

dude you just contradicted yourself. Achievements come with titles... Face palms*

Snowstrider

Yes please! I do not understand why people are so against this.. some titles would fit so good on some of my characters but I really do not want to do all the hard work again on things I have already done

TelvanniWizard

Account-wide achievements is basic MMO commodity we should have had since the beggining imho. Don't really care about titles, but global achievements should be accesible from another Journal tab or something.

Edit: grammar.

Ishtarknows

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

Gamingdays wrote: »

Simply no. I worked hard to get true genius on my sorc and as much as a pain it was to get it I don’t want the achievement devalued by just being able to put it on any toon. I could make a new toon and it suddenly has the title. It would just simply devalue it.

I don't see how it'd devalue it myself as you still earned said title I wouldn't be against this personally because the player who has it clearly earned it on at least one of their toons.

Some titles have greater status depending on what role you achieved them. A stack DD earning Bringer of Light (vcr+3) has a much easier job than a tank earning the same title. Being able to use the title on your baby tank that's only tanked normal trials for example gives a false impression of player ability in the role.

Septimus_Magna

Ishtarknows wrote: »

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

Gamingdays wrote: »

Simply no. I worked hard to get true genius on my sorc and as much as a pain it was to get it I don’t want the achievement devalued by just being able to put it on any toon. I could make a new toon and it suddenly has the title. It would just simply devalue it.

I don't see how it'd devalue it myself as you still earned said title I wouldn't be against this personally because the player who has it clearly earned it on at least one of their toons.

Some titles have greater status depending on what role you achieved them. A stack DD earning Bringer of Light (vcr+3) has a much easier job than a tank earning the same title. Being able to use the title on your baby tank that's only tanked normal trials for example gives a false impression of player ability in the role.

Agreed, thats why achievements should only be unlocked on the character who obtained it.

Just like you can select all motifs on an alt but you wont have the Grand Master Crafter title unlocked.

skooma_dealer

[snip] So the title from vet content is a big no-no, but glowing skin on lvl 1 character from exactly the same activity is ok? Is that right? ZOS should either disable all of these or enable. The middle option right now looks more like a middle finger and I cannot force myself to play my alts because of the character bound achievements. Until there is no class change option this is the only way.

[Edited to remove Baiting]

Tandor

Thechuckage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

I will never understand why people are against account-wide achievements. Why do you care if someone displays a title that they didn't get on that specific character? They still had to grind and work hard with a character to get that achievement.

A lot of this comes down to the fact that some players - perhaps predominantly from an action-based console background - believe everything is done by the player, while other players - perhaps predominantly from a RPG-based PC background - believe everything is done by the character. Another factor is that those who argue for account-wide achievements tend not to want to play their alts through normal progression but just have them instantly ready for "endgame", while those who argue for character-specific achievements want to play through the full game with their alts as equal characters.

Could you expound on the second half of that? Because I don't think anyone has asked for that. Or is asking for insta-50s.

This subject has been raised very many times, and a common theme is that people wanting account-wide achievements are levelling up alts to 50 in a few hours at e.g. dolmens in order to jump quickly to endgame but complain at the time it then takes to level up everything else that they feel they need, plus they don't want to have to repeat achievements which they've already done, so once one character has achieved something they want all the other characters to benefit automatically. Other players who are opposed to account-wide achievements aren't so concerned with endgame but want to progress all their characters individually through the game.

That was the point I was making, not that people are asking for insta-50s as such, they pretty much have that already. It's a quicker way of getting everything else that is the motivation for account-wide achievements and titles coupled with the desire not to repeat content they've already done - which conversely for many players is the whole point of having multiple characters.