ACCOUNT WIDE ACHIEVEMENTS AND TITLES

n3fieu

I mean is it really that hard? Hey thanks for spending X amount of hours grinding this tedious thing for this tedious title. Now do it 7 more times.

Gamingdays

Simply no. I worked hard to get true genius on my sorc and as much as a pain it was to get it I don’t want the achievement devalued by just being able to put it on any toon. I could make a new toon and it suddenly has the title. It would just simply devalue it.

zvavi

Why not account wide achievement overview

dem0n1k

The achievement rewards are account wide apart from the title right? the dyes n inv items can be used by any of your characters. It wouldn't seem right if you got a PVP rank on one character & therefore all your characters got the same PVP titles regardless of their PVP rank or alliance.

ThreeXB

There alot of achievements tied to crafting , motifs , pvp , guild leveling , skyshards and farming so unless they had 2 types of achievements - player and account OR made EVERYTHING account wide I don't know how it could work

Elsonso

Titles? No. Those should not be player achievements, but achievements specific to the character.

Wolfpaw

A unique Soul Gem in the character selection screen that holds your account achievements with the optional ability to be placed on any character prior to loading into the game.

ZaroktheImmortal

Gamingdays wrote: »

Simply no. I worked hard to get true genius on my sorc and as much as a pain it was to get it I don’t want the achievement devalued by just being able to put it on any toon. I could make a new toon and it suddenly has the title. It would just simply devalue it.

I don't see how it'd devalue it myself as you still earned said title I wouldn't be against this personally because the player who has it clearly earned it on at least one of their toons.

n3fieu

I’ve done a lot of vet content with my healer and tank that I may never be able to do on my main and I literally cringe everytime I get an achievement that I know my main will never see lmao

AlnilamE

An account overview would be ok.

But I want to be able to repeat achievements on alts. Otherwise, what's the point of alts?

Also, consider that in games that have account-wide achievements, like GW2, the achievements are A LOT more grindy.

So if you think looting 1000 chests took a long time, you'd be looking at 10k or even 50k.

Killing 100 atronachs in vet CoA2? Make that 1000 now.

Because whether it's repeating the achievement on an alt or making it harder on your account, they will keep you playing.

Tsar_Gekkou

Gamingdays wrote: »

Simply no. I worked hard to get true genius on my sorc and as much as a pain it was to get it I don’t want the achievement devalued by just being able to put it on any toon. I could make a new toon and it suddenly has the title. It would just simply devalue it.

No one's forcing you to put it on another character until you earn it on that one.

Alurria

No why do we want to turn achievements into participation rewards?

Tsar_Gekkou

I support it. I had to play a class I don't really know how to play(necro) to get Tick-Tock-Tormentor. If I could have the title on a character that i'm actually good with, it'd be nice. If people don't want to wear titles from other characters, then they don't have to, but for people who do endgame stuff, finding another 11 people to get Tick-Tock or any other trial trifectas is a time-intensive gamble that's usually lost.

tomofhyrule

Another thread that pops up every few weeks, and always the same arguments...

"I, the player, did it, so I should be able to have the achievement on every toon!"
"But I, the character, want to see a record of my achievements and not see things like thievery that go against my values!"
"If we had global, I'd be more inclined to play alts because then it doesn't matter who gets it!"
"If we had global, I'd be less inclined to play alts because then there's nothing for the alts to strive for!"

It all comes down to who's playing: Is the gamer playing with a bunch of tools, or is each character an individual. And every person thinks differently about it.

I prefer the achievements to be by character, since I want a record of what each character did. But I think it would be fun to have a 'global' tab to see how many of your characters got each achievement - that could also help to see which toons are missing certain skill points, e.g. seeing who doesn't have a certain dungeon completion achievement. And then if you need to link it for a Crag PUG, it will still say you got the achievement with a date, just on another character.

I know the point is that some achievements (monster trophies, do 150 dailies for Jee-Lar) are more than a little tedious, but the point is that they're supposed to be grindy. If it went to account wide achievements, you know that would turn into "Do 1500 dailies for Jee-Lar across all of your toons!" or the monster trophy drop rates would be nerfed to even lower than Ancestral Reach leads.

Tethilia

I think that would create a problem. I wanted Account Wide Motifs, but apparently your Crafting Motif achievements contribute to your odds of obtaining a master crafting writ. Unless they change the system of Master Crafting writs in a way that doesn't undue the investment of people who have spent tons of crowns and gold on those motifs, then you can't have accountwide achievements.

Amottica

I have seen account-wide achievements done well in that a player could see all their achievements from one character. That makes absolute sense as it is the player, not the character that earned the achievement. However, titles remained linked to the character and it makes less sense that a crafting character has a title for the most challenging achievement in the game yet has never been used for much outside of crafting. Ofc, if the most challenging achievement in the game is from crafting then well, we need to revisit the design of the game.

kargen27

Amottica wrote: »

I have seen account-wide achievements done well in that a player could see all their achievements from one character. That makes absolute sense as it is the player, not the character that earned the achievement. However, titles remained linked to the character and it makes less sense that a crafting character has a title for the most challenging achievement in the game yet has never been used for much outside of crafting. Ofc, if the most challenging achievement in the game is from crafting then well, we need to revisit the design of the game.

The player and the character earn the achievement. A team effort. Without the character the player would achieve nothing.

I wouldn't mind being able to see all the achievements I've earned account wide in a tab somewhere but titles should stay with the character that earned them. I rarely notice other players titles so it would have little affect on me but still think titles should be character bound.
I am much more strongly opposed to multiple characters working towards one achievement. Even if achievements were shared account wide they should still be earned by one character. None of this one character catches some trophy fish and another catches other trophy fish to get the achievement.

Amottica

kargen27 wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

I have seen account-wide achievements done well in that a player could see all their achievements from one character. That makes absolute sense as it is the player, not the character that earned the achievement. However, titles remained linked to the character and it makes less sense that a crafting character has a title for the most challenging achievement in the game yet has never been used for much outside of crafting. Ofc, if the most challenging achievement in the game is from crafting then well, we need to revisit the design of the game.

The player and the character earn the achievement. A team effort. Without the character the player would achieve nothing. .

Moreso than without the player the character is nothing and meaningless. The heart of the character is the player and the character is merely an empty shell. The player is the core.

This is the sound logic I based my statement on.

Edit: Ofc, we agree titles should remain with the character. I am hung up on that since most games I have played the character was limited with the roles they could play. It also gives that shell some meaning.

joerginger

Still about time that this finally happens. Re-skilling my main for the achievements is incredibly annoying, in particular because there are also no ways to preconfigure builds. Addons can do this to some very minor extent, but they only exist on PC.

remosito

absolutely.

unless you are a botter. it's YOU that earned the title. And not your char. btw there is an addon for it on pc. only changes the achievement overview page. so no titles and such. but nice to see how much points you have account wide.

would go one step further and make them cumulative in the sense kill 100 of mob type x is achieved by killing 20 on 5 characters each.
same for explorer I believe is the title of all delves done.

actually changed above addon to do that for me.

Sidonius

Oh yeah cool and if this happens I want all my titles, achievements and champion points added to my alt accounts with the same argument that I as the player have earned them.

Same for over on the EU server.

JoDiMageio

That is a nope from me.

I do not consider earning a title on my Warden healer being in any way equivalent to earning it on my Sorc DD or on my Argonian tank. Yes I and my teammates earned it, but it requires different skills, abilities, mindset, etc. for each toon you play.

remosito

JoDiMageio wrote: »

That is a nope from me.

I do not consider earning a title on my Warden healer being in any way equivalent to earning it on my Sorc DD or on my Argonian tank. Yes I and my teammates earned it, but it requires different skills, abilities, mindset, etc. for each toon you play.

@JoDiMageio

so if you respecc your warden healer to tank or dd you should loose the titles and achievements? In the end it requires different skills abilities, mindset.. and difference between healer on different classes is one trillion time smaller than those required to do it on same class but different roles...

Ceejengine

I'd like to see it. I have yet to see an argument against it that has any merit.

"I earned the title on my main, if my alt had the title it would be devalued. " negative. Accounts that aren't good enough to earn true genius don't have true genius. If it's an RP thing, then don't use the title and don't force your RP on me.

"I earned it on x character that requires different abilities and mindset. " It doesn't. If you're good enough to get a title on one class, you can get it on another.

"If account achievements become account wide then I want my achieves on all my alt accounts." Comparing apples to oranges. Also, with this logic, why stop at achieves? How about that account wide bank? Should they remove that? Or account wide craft bag? Or dye unlocks? Or motif unlocks? Mount unlocks? Assistant unlocks? Or the actual real progress, account wide CP? Should players actually be required to grind CP on each individual character?

Like actual, game-affecting stuff is account wide. If you're against achievements then by that logic we shouldn't have anything account wide.

And I can promise you if half those things go, you'll see players skiddaddling in droves.

One of my favorite things about the game is I can have 1 dude that I gather stuff on, and then my alts get to play around with those toys.

"The player and the character are two separate entities. It requires effort from both to unlock achievements." Nope, my guy won't even move unless I make him. Those clutch heals he does? 100% me. His perfect timing w/ shields, rolls & blocks? Also all me.

"If achievements were account wide, I wouldn't have character- specific records of which char did which achievement." Says who? They can add a "completed by x on x." You could even tab your alts for credit in redoing the achievements.

"I want to repeat achieves." See above.

Ringing_Nirnroot

I’d love to have godslayer on my crafter that gets killed by mudcrabs

kargen27

remosito wrote: »

absolutely.

unless you are a botter. it's YOU that earned the title. And not your char. btw there is an addon for it on pc. only changes the achievement overview page. so no titles and such. but nice to see how much points you have account wide.

would go one step further and make them cumulative in the sense kill 100 of mob type x is achieved by killing 20 on 5 characters each.
same for explorer I believe is the title of all delves done.

actually changed above addon to do that for me.

Nope it is you and the character.

And your one step farther for me is a full on sprint into oblivion. You want the Chitin Accumulator you get the Petrified Spider Egg and seven other trophies all with the same character. Makes the achievement more monumental when you get it.

spartaxoxo

Ceejengine wrote: »

I'd like to see it. I have yet to see an argument against it that has any merit.

"I earned the title on my main, if my alt had the title it would be devalued. " negative. Accounts that aren't good enough to earn true genius don't have true genius. If it's an RP thing, then don't use the title and don't force your RP on me.

"I earned it on x character that requires different abilities and mindset. " It doesn't. If you're good enough to get a title on one class, you can get it on another.

"If account achievements become account wide then I want my achieves on all my alt accounts." Comparing apples to oranges. Also, with this logic, why stop at achieves? How about that account wide bank? Should they remove that? Or account wide craft bag? Or the actual real progress, account wide CP? Or dye unlocks? Or motif unlocks? Mount unlocks? Assistant unlocks? Should players actually be required to grind CP on each individual character?

Like actual, game-affecting stuff is account wide. If you're against achievements then by that logic we shouldn't have anything account wide.

"The player and the character are two separate entities. It requires effort from both to unlock achievements." Nope, my guy won't even move unless I make him. Those clutch heals he does? 100% me. His perfect timing w/ shields, rolls & blocks? Also all me.

"If achievements were account wide, I wouldn't have character- specific records of which char did which achievement." Says who? They can add a "completed by x on x." You could even tab your alts for credit in redoing the achievements.

"I want to repeat achieves." See above.

Feel exactly the same way. It's pretty lame and in the case of some of the achievements actually worth bragging about, extremely limiting.

LalMirchi

No thank you. I play every alt as a separate character and like the current system as every alt has to work (hard) for their own achievements.

Kwoung

Gamingdays wrote: »

Simply no. I worked hard to get true genius on my sorc and as much as a pain it was to get it I don’t want the achievement devalued by just being able to put it on any toon. I could make a new toon and it suddenly has the title. It would just simply devalue it.

That seems an odd way of looking at it, since you are the one that earned the achievement, not the toon.

remosito

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Another thread that pops up every few weeks, and always the same arguments...

"I, the player, did it, so I should be able to have the achievement on every toon!"
"But I, the character, want to see a record of my achievements and not see things like thievery that go against my values!"
"If we had global, I'd be more inclined to play alts because then it doesn't matter who gets it!"
"If we had global, I'd be less inclined to play alts because then there's nothing for the alts to strive for!"

It all comes down to who's playing: Is the gamer playing with a bunch of tools, or is each character an individual. And every person thinks differently about it.

I prefer the achievements to be by character, since I want a record of what each character did. But I think it would be fun to have a 'global' tab to see how many of your characters got each achievement - that could also help to see which toons are missing certain skill points, e.g. seeing who doesn't have a certain dungeon completion achievement. And then if you need to link it for a Crag PUG, it will still say you got the achievement with a date, just on another character.

I know the point is that some achievements (monster trophies, do 150 dailies for Jee-Lar) are more than a little tedious, but the point is that they're supposed to be grindy. If it went to account wide achievements, you know that would turn into "Do 1500 dailies for Jee-Lar across all of your toons!" or the monster trophy drop rates would be nerfed to even lower than Ancestral Reach leads.

the pc addon global achievements does it by adding a new achievement tab "global".

you can see achieves and dates for every character. plus the accumulated achievements of all characters.

remosito

interesting to see all the character, player skill mentions considering none whatsoever is really needed in a reality where you can buy carries for pretty much anything..