ACCOUNT WIDE ACHIEVEMENTS AND TITLES

TheCommentator

Bradyfjord wrote: »

n3fieu wrote: »

I mean is it really that hard? Hey thanks for spending X amount of hours grinding this tedious thing for this tedious title. Now do it 7 more times.

They can sell "Account Wide Achievements" to me for 2500 crowns. I'd buy it.

If they included it with ESO+ I'd subscribe ASAP

Also personally, as a raid lead I have an issue with people only wanting to play on their mains to gain achievements, thus leading to an excess of healers and lack of dd's for raids. Global achievements could solve this issue for me.
Some of you of course may say "recruit more guild members to fill your rosters" however I don't think that's very fair on the healers who can't join the weekly raid, and my guilds are already full (1500/1500)
Some of you may also say "rotate/cycle the healers" but as I said, the other healers won't join the raid as a different role and I will struggle to fill the raid group. Furthermore, this means we have to repeat some raids, and I know from experience that some people want to do one trial once and never look back.

deleted008293

No.

But I would like some side account wide achievements, more towards statistics in which I get to know how many times I played a specific content.

newtinmpls

Ceejengine wrote: »

I can guarantee you that if you earn any prestigious title as a DPS then swap to tank, you at a bare minimum know the movements and mechanics..

No you really can't guarantee that.

You may feel that you know them, and that switching to and from any other role makes no difference to you.

This viewpoint does not apply to anyone who is not you.

As an example, a friend of mine spent much of her early group/play experience as a tank; and her play-style was very "up in the bosses junk" So for boss fights she mostly did not really have an awareness of how other things played out from other players perspectives. Playing her first DPS was a different vantage, and a very different experience.

Gilvoth wrote: »

maybe if they allowed ALL achievements AND Titles to be on all your characters, once you hit level 50. <Snippage> i really want this, and so do many others.

So...you want "all titles" just as a gimmie when someone hits 50?

What about the things you haven't done at all?

I don't think "many others" want credit for something they didn't do.

Maybe I'm just thinking that "others" in general are ethical until proven otherwise.

newtinmpls

TheCommentator wrote: »

Also personally, as a raid lead I have an issue with people only wanting to play on their mains to gain achievements, thus leading to an excess of healers and lack of dd's for raids.

There is a lot in your post that I'm not quite following, but I thought I would start here.

Are you saying that more people want to main healers than DD's?

Thechuckage

newtinmpls wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

maybe if they allowed ALL achievements AND Titles to be on all your characters, once you hit level 50. <Snippage> i really want this, and so do many others.

So...you want "all titles" just as a gimmie when someone hits 50?

What about the things you haven't done at all?

I don't think "many others" want credit for something they didn't do.

Maybe I'm just thinking that "others" in general are ethical until proven otherwise.

Seems Gilvoth is speaking about things the account has earned, not everything under the sun. Mainly because I haven't seen anyone asking for everything to be given with no effort. (You have to earn it at least once for an achieve) Secondly, most of the forum posts can be read with at least a modicum of charitability instead of jumping to the worst possible conclusion.

Agenericname

newtinmpls wrote: »

TheCommentator wrote: »

Also personally, as a raid lead I have an issue with people only wanting to play on their mains to gain achievements, thus leading to an excess of healers and lack of dd's for raids.

There is a lot in your post that I'm not quite following, but I thought I would start here.

Are you saying that more people want to main healers than DD's?

Theyre talking about an issue that arise when someone wants the achievement on their main but the raid itself is in need a different role. It happens with roles and classes.

newtinmpls wrote: »

Ceejengine wrote: »

I can guarantee you that if you earn any prestigious title as a DPS then swap to tank, you at a bare minimum know the movements and mechanics..

No you really can't guarantee that.

You may feel that you know them, and that switching to and from any other role makes no difference to you.

This viewpoint does not apply to anyone who is not you.

As an example, a friend of mine spent much of her early group/play experience as a tank; and her play-style was very "up in the bosses junk" So for boss fights she mostly did not really have an awareness of how other things played out from other players perspectives. Playing her first DPS was a different vantage, and a very different experience.

Gilvoth wrote: »

maybe if they allowed ALL achievements AND Titles to be on all your characters, once you hit level 50. <Snippage> i really want this, and so do many others.

So...you want "all titles" just as a gimmie when someone hits 50?

What about the things you haven't done at all?

I don't think "many others" want credit for something they didn't do.

Maybe I'm just thinking that "others" in general are ethical until proven otherwise.

The type of achievements that I believe theyre talking about are some of the harder to get achievements where a group expects to fail, analyze the failures, and develope a solution. When that happens, typically everyone in the group will become more familiar with the mechanics on the whole.

Nezyr_Jezz

I fail to see any revelant comment that would argue against the idea.

Most of you fail to understand, that the game as it is: "a wall of grind", and while some of you might enjoy playing for several years to get one title for each of your two toons, the reality is we do not have time for that, and we are the majority of players.

• While you like to grind everything for 10 times, most players i know find it repelling, boring, and exhausing to begin with. And by most i mean everyone i talked in this game so far for all the years i played it.
• Who the [...insert your politeness here...] wants this system, when you are an accomplished player and your achievement group lacks the tank but you have 2 unlocks done on your DD already... come on?! Seriously?! You fail to understand why it would be profitable?
• Same thing goes with actually guilds and skill lines from said guilds. Im sorry but its just a waste of time and uneeded grind to get the same books or portals for the 14th freaking time. And if you have only 2 characters then this doesn't concern you anyway.
• Trial achievements? Well at that point of the game you literally can perform any role if you have half a brain and can light attack weave. you did it so you know the mechanics, and every progression group wants you to prove them than your up for a task by parsing or by performing in a group anyway?! You bought your title... well it will not get you far since everyone can upload group parse and see how bad you were with your caluurion XD.
• You go as a tank... well most of the progression groups have tanks at the very center of it and usually those spots are taken anyway. Goodspeed tho if you want to go as a tank for a trial that you never did. you will get booted in 15 seconds.
• Leave the achievent possible to "Complete" even when you have a account wide achiemvent system so the titles might be unlocked but after the real completion. If you are worried about going trials that much you can do the same with them. But 4mans?! No thank you.

As mentioned above i fail to see where it would be a problem. It might be that you worked hard to get for a title on every character, but in all honesty majority of smart players that want to enjoy the game rather than grind it to death do not give a damn bit about it. Sorry.

try putting someone elses shoes and looking from a different perspective before advocating for something that is literally bad for the game and majority of the players.

tomofhyrule

Honest question here: what's the problem with having a character-specific tab and an account-wide one?

It seems like most of the people who like having character-specific achievements are also saying that they wouldn't be opposed to having the ability to see account wide achievements. They just don't want to see "murdered 1000 citizens in cold blood" on their lawful good Paladin. It also seems like most people who favor account-wide and to be able to see their achievements even when playing alts (or their main when an alt got the achievement). These aren't mutually exclusive.

If we had a system like that, you can still see all of your TTT clears, even if you had to get it on your DPS when you main a healer. But then the RPers could also look at their criminal and not have to see how many bunnies they've hugged (when that character hasn't hugged any). As a bonus, that makes it very easy to go to a screen and see "Oh, I've got the FGI completion on every one of my character but Snuffles the Khajiit, so now I can go get a skill point on that toon!"

In essence, this is the best of both worlds.

But no, the game is designed around these collective achievements to be done on one character, so if you're expecting that account-wide Cyrodilic Collection Champion will still allow you to get away with only 150 dailies instead of 18x150 now that you can do it on all characters...?

achoo420

Yeah, everyone that is for it makes very good points and arguments. Again we're all recognized by our @ names not character name, so even if someone was a horrible player word would get out because again all of us veteran players look at the @ names not character names. Therefore it should be account wide seems how the game's contents are account wide so it only makes logical sense to make achievements and titles account wide as well. As for Why? Well Because I got bunch of trinkets, emotes, colors, motifs and costumes (accessed by the outfit station). All used to be character bound stuff which is now made account wide. This is no difference from the rest of the account wide stuff. No one is asking to level Alternates with this because fun fact once you have 18 level 50s its now going to considered account level. Because once you hit 50 on any character you start leveling in the champion tree which is ALSO account wide. Also from a PvP aspect of things flashing your title on any of your characters deserves respect especially those with the Emperor title, shows that they know what they're doing no matter who their playing. Because they earned that they should be able to flash that off on any of their owned characters.

Spearpoint

A glories title and achievement earned by one should not be freely given to ones fellow adventurers.

Sirona_Starr

newtinmpls wrote: »

Ceejengine wrote: »

I can guarantee you that if you earn any prestigious title as a DPS then swap to tank, you at a bare minimum know the movements and mechanics..

No you really can't guarantee that.

You may feel that you know them, and that switching to and from any other role makes no difference to you.

This viewpoint does not apply to anyone who is not you.

As an example, a friend of mine spent much of her early group/play experience as a tank; and her play-style was very "up in the bosses junk" So for boss fights she mostly did not really have an awareness of how other things played out from other players perspectives. Playing her first DPS was a different vantage, and a very different experience.

Gilvoth wrote: »

maybe if they allowed ALL achievements AND Titles to be on all your characters, once you hit level 50. <Snippage> i really want this, and so do many others.

So...you want "all titles" just as a gimmie when someone hits 50?

What about the things you haven't done at all?

I don't think "many others" want credit for something they didn't do.

Maybe I'm just thinking that "others" in general are ethical until proven otherwise.

Kind of like all cp is a gimme when you make a new toon, right? and the dyes, and the mementoes, and the pets, (like ones created by another toon), or the armour/weapons etc, collected or crafted by another toon, right?

Ratharel

I miss the times when people playing MMORPG understood what the basic principle of RPG and could distinguish the player from the character.
Current system regarding the achievements is well done all the achivements being per character, as they should be. Still it's account-friendly having dyes, mementos and other fluff stuff unlocked for every character.

Gilvoth

newtinmpls wrote: »

Ceejengine wrote: »

I can guarantee you that if you earn any prestigious title as a DPS then swap to tank, you at a bare minimum know the movements and mechanics..

No you really can't guarantee that.

You may feel that you know them, and that switching to and from any other role makes no difference to you.

This viewpoint does not apply to anyone who is not you.

As an example, a friend of mine spent much of her early group/play experience as a tank; and her play-style was very "up in the bosses junk" So for boss fights she mostly did not really have an awareness of how other things played out from other players perspectives. Playing her first DPS was a different vantage, and a very different experience.

Gilvoth wrote: »

maybe if they allowed ALL achievements AND Titles to be on all your characters, once you hit level 50. <Snippage> i really want this, and so do many others.

So...you want "all titles" just as a gimmie when someone hits 50?

What about the things you haven't done at all?

I don't think "many others" want credit for something they didn't do.

Maybe I'm just thinking that "others" in general are ethical until proven otherwise.

if you completed the achievement or title on 1 character, then your entire account should unlock them for ALL your other characters and all new characters once they reach level 50.

AlnilamE

Nezyr_Jezz wrote: »

I fail to see any revelant comment that would argue against the idea.

Most of you fail to understand, that the game as it is: "a wall of grind", and while some of you might enjoy playing for several years to get one title for each of your two toons, the reality is we do not have time for that, and we are the majority of players.

• While you like to grind everything for 10 times, most players i know find it repelling, boring, and exhausing to begin with. And by most i mean everyone i talked in this game so far for all the years i played it.
• Who the [...insert your politeness here...] wants this system, when you are an accomplished player and your achievement group lacks the tank but you have 2 unlocks done on your DD already... come on?! Seriously?! You fail to understand why it would be profitable?
• Same thing goes with actually guilds and skill lines from said guilds. Im sorry but its just a waste of time and uneeded grind to get the same books or portals for the 14th freaking time. And if you have only 2 characters then this doesn't concern you anyway.
• Trial achievements? Well at that point of the game you literally can perform any role if you have half a brain and can light attack weave. you did it so you know the mechanics, and every progression group wants you to prove them than your up for a task by parsing or by performing in a group anyway?! You bought your title... well it will not get you far since everyone can upload group parse and see how bad you were with your caluurion XD.
• You go as a tank... well most of the progression groups have tanks at the very center of it and usually those spots are taken anyway. Goodspeed tho if you want to go as a tank for a trial that you never did. you will get booted in 15 seconds.
• Leave the achievent possible to "Complete" even when you have a account wide achiemvent system so the titles might be unlocked but after the real completion. If you are worried about going trials that much you can do the same with them. But 4mans?! No thank you.

As mentioned above i fail to see where it would be a problem. It might be that you worked hard to get for a title on every character, but in all honesty majority of smart players that want to enjoy the game rather than grind it to death do not give a damn bit about it. Sorry.

try putting someone elses shoes and looking from a different perspective before advocating for something that is literally bad for the game and majority of the players.

The problem is that account-wide achievements will replace one "wall of grind" with another. Games that have those usually have achievement requirements for each class instead of just once. Or they have achievements that are so grindy that normally playing the game on 23 characters doesn't complete it. You have to go out of your way to do it (I'm looking at you BDO...)

So if ESO were to redesign the achievement system to make it account-wide, rather than have an "account-wide overview", which pretty much nobody opposes, then they would make the achievements harder to get, take my word for it.

And again. An overview you can tab to, or that is accessible from the character select screen would be fine. But unless ZOS redesigns the system, there is not going to be a way to partially complete an achievement on 3 separate characters and have it count as one.

achoo420

The game is already a grind fest at every turn so how will this change the way you play? It wouldn't change a thing other then you'll see more people playing alternate characters more. The game doesn't really lose its challenge in anyway because you still have to work for it. We just don't have the life span to play the game from start to end game on every single character. So yes we're asking for account wide achievements and titles. This also isn't your average MMO so it can and has the potential of making our request possible. we care about our convenience to which we all voicing. The whole game so far has been based on convenience this far and account wide achievements and titles will only add to the list.

noneatza

Achievements yes.
Titles and character only rewards no. Even though that crafter hammer does look good.

Rescorla_ESO

Gamingdays wrote: »

Simply no. I worked hard to get true genius on my sorc and as much as a pain it was to get it I don’t want the achievement devalued by just being able to put it on any toon. I could make a new toon and it suddenly has the title. It would just simply devalue it.

Umnm, it was you personally who completed the achievement so why not have it apply to all your characters?

achoo420

noneatza wrote: »

Achievements yes.
Titles and character only rewards no. Even though that crafter hammer does look good.

You're a little too late for that. Everything in the game is already account wide except achievement and titles. Also another note you people keep over looking is that titles are attached to achievements! You're all contradicting yourselves when you say things like "Achievements yes, Titles no" they're both one in the same!

AlnilamE

achoo420 wrote: »

noneatza wrote: »

Achievements yes.
Titles and character only rewards no. Even though that crafter hammer does look good.

You're a little too late for that. Everything in the game is already account wide except achievement and titles. Also another note you people keep over looking is that titles are attached to achievements! You're all contradicting yourselves when you say things like "Achievements yes, Titles no" they're both one in the same!

Can I go against the tide then and say Titles yes, Achievements no (except for an account overview)?

I really don't care about titles because I only wear Master Angler on my main, but I like the ability to repeat achievements.

Sergykid

why would you care about achievements in this game anyway? It's not like in GW2 where your achievement points are shown into groups, you get bonus gold and various currencies at milestones, unique weapon skins and costumes. In ESO achievements mean nothing, the rewards like a mount that you get from it is available to all characters anyway.

newtinmpls

TheCommentator wrote: »

Seems Gilvoth is speaking about things the account has earned, not everything under the sun.

Thanks...guess I've been having bad RNG with some of what I run into and I'm too braced.

Rescorla_ESO wrote: »

Umnm, it was you personally who completed the achievement so why not have it apply to all your characters?

Because it wasn't "me" it was "this particular character on this particular account on this particular server"

Ratharel wrote: »

I miss the times when people playing MMORPG understood what the basic principle of RPG and could distinguish the player from the character..

Yes, thank you!!

shadyjane62

I would like this to happen. I play one char the most because everything is done on her because of achievements. I wish I liked her more and my others less.

Jayroo

Gamingdays wrote: »

Simply no. I worked hard to get true genius on my sorc and as much as a pain it was to get it I don’t want the achievement devalued by just being able to put it on any toon. I could make a new toon and it suddenly has the title. It would just simply devalue it.

Simply yes. It won't devalue anything. In fact, it would encourage people to actually do them, and to switch "Mains".
Right now I'm stuck getting achievements on ONE character I made 5 years ago. But no lets keep it character locked because "muh uniqueness"

newtinmpls

Jayroo wrote: »

it would encourage people to actually do them, and to switch "Mains".

I'm not understanding how making a title a giveaway to a second character makes a person more likely to play that character.

Jayroo

newtinmpls wrote: »

Jayroo wrote: »

it would encourage people to actually do them, and to switch "Mains".

I'm not understanding how making a title a giveaway to a second character makes a person more likely to play that character.

I like to get achievements, its fun for me. But my main is a tank dk and its hard to do some of the achievements and often not worth it. By making it account wide it incentives me to PLAY them for achievements and not just bum rush a dungeon do my dailies and log out. Also achievement hunting on the same character for 5 years is BORING

AlnilamE

Jayroo wrote: »

Gamingdays wrote: »

Simply no. I worked hard to get true genius on my sorc and as much as a pain it was to get it I don’t want the achievement devalued by just being able to put it on any toon. I could make a new toon and it suddenly has the title. It would just simply devalue it.

Simply yes. It won't devalue anything. In fact, it would encourage people to actually do them, and to switch "Mains".
Right now I'm stuck getting achievements on ONE character I made 5 years ago. But no lets keep it character locked because "muh uniqueness"

So doing each achievement on the easiest class for that particular achievement won't devalue them?

kargen27

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

I will never understand why people are against account-wide achievements. Why do you care if someone displays a title that they didn't get on that specific character? They still had to grind and work hard with a character to get that achievement.

A big part of an MMO's long term success is in players repeating content. Making titles and achievements character specific is good for the health of the game going forward.

kargen27

Rescorla_ESO wrote: »

Gamingdays wrote: »

Simply no. I worked hard to get true genius on my sorc and as much as a pain it was to get it I don’t want the achievement devalued by just being able to put it on any toon. I could make a new toon and it suddenly has the title. It would just simply devalue it.

Umnm, it was you personally who completed the achievement so why not have it apply to all your characters?

it was a team effort between player and character. The achievement would not have been obtained without a character. Often a very specific character. Your other characters didn't have anything to do with the achievement so it makes no sense they get the title/achievement.

iksde

AlnilamE wrote: »

Jayroo wrote: »

Gamingdays wrote: »

Simply no. I worked hard to get true genius on my sorc and as much as a pain it was to get it I don’t want the achievement devalued by just being able to put it on any toon. I could make a new toon and it suddenly has the title. It would just simply devalue it.

Simply yes. It won't devalue anything. In fact, it would encourage people to actually do them, and to switch "Mains".
Right now I'm stuck getting achievements on ONE character I made 5 years ago. But no lets keep it character locked because "muh uniqueness"

So doing each achievement on the easiest class for that particular achievement won't devalue them?

no because it is viable now already for meta chasers etc who anyway have alt for every class with possibility for also every role each class

all this would do would open gates for players who playig jsut single character becasue of this system

I have 14 characters and what? actually playing just single with maybe sometimes 1 other alt for different class which also isnt meta.....plyaing on it maybe once per 2 months because of how empty is any of alts in compare to my main

I have these 14 characteras and all 13 besides 1 main are just mules for items, mats if without eso+ and I plan to buy additional 4 for max 18 also just for mules, no a single intentin to even play them, the best I will do on them will be mount feed for inventory and that will be all my intentions for more alts with current system

iksde

kargen27 wrote: »

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

I will never understand why people are against account-wide achievements. Why do you care if someone displays a title that they didn't get on that specific character? They still had to grind and work hard with a character to get that achievement.

A big part of an MMO's long term success is in players repeating content. Making titles and achievements character specific is good for the health of the game going forward.

repeating content like just grind for items, gear, exp or whatever or just long achievs(look at murkmire prepper)....but repeating again and agains same achiev? especialy if we want to get literally every achiev and then repeat all of this on alt?
small reminder of someone who as playing since beta and got literally every achievs after playing 5 years ths game, just on 1 character.....now we have this game 7 years yes? so even more achievs to gain and still more are incomming...gll to get tham all all again even jsut on 2nd character without mentioning to get this done on atleast each class alt (6 characters total)