Bradyfjord wrote: »
Ceejengine wrote: »
I can guarantee you that if you earn any prestigious title as a DPS then swap to tank, you at a bare minimum know the movements and mechanics..
maybe if they allowed ALL achievements AND Titles to be on all your characters, once you hit level 50. <Snippage> i really want this, and so do many others.
TheCommentator wrote: »
Also personally, as a raid lead I have an issue with people only wanting to play on their mains to gain achievements, thus leading to an excess of healers and lack of dd's for raids.
newtinmpls wrote: »maybe if they allowed ALL achievements AND Titles to be on all your characters, once you hit level 50. <Snippage> i really want this, and so do many others.
So...you want "all titles" just as a gimmie when someone hits 50?
What about the things you haven't done at all?
I don't think "many others" want credit for something they didn't do.
Maybe I'm just thinking that "others" in general are ethical until proven otherwise.
newtinmpls wrote: »TheCommentator wrote: »
Also personally, as a raid lead I have an issue with people only wanting to play on their mains to gain achievements, thus leading to an excess of healers and lack of dd's for raids.
There is a lot in your post that I'm not quite following, but I thought I would start here.
Are you saying that more people want to main healers than DD's?
newtinmpls wrote: »Ceejengine wrote: »
I can guarantee you that if you earn any prestigious title as a DPS then swap to tank, you at a bare minimum know the movements and mechanics..
No you really can't guarantee that.
You may feel that you know them, and that switching to and from any other role makes no difference to you.
This viewpoint does not apply to anyone who is not you.
As an example, a friend of mine spent much of her early group/play experience as a tank; and her play-style was very "up in the bosses junk" So for boss fights she mostly did not really have an awareness of how other things played out from other players perspectives. Playing her first DPS was a different vantage, and a very different experience.maybe if they allowed ALL achievements AND Titles to be on all your characters, once you hit level 50. <Snippage> i really want this, and so do many others.
So...you want "all titles" just as a gimmie when someone hits 50?
What about the things you haven't done at all?
I don't think "many others" want credit for something they didn't do.
Maybe I'm just thinking that "others" in general are ethical until proven otherwise.
newtinmpls wrote: »Ceejengine wrote: »
I can guarantee you that if you earn any prestigious title as a DPS then swap to tank, you at a bare minimum know the movements and mechanics..
No you really can't guarantee that.
You may feel that you know them, and that switching to and from any other role makes no difference to you.
This viewpoint does not apply to anyone who is not you.
As an example, a friend of mine spent much of her early group/play experience as a tank; and her play-style was very "up in the bosses junk" So for boss fights she mostly did not really have an awareness of how other things played out from other players perspectives. Playing her first DPS was a different vantage, and a very different experience.maybe if they allowed ALL achievements AND Titles to be on all your characters, once you hit level 50. <Snippage> i really want this, and so do many others.
So...you want "all titles" just as a gimmie when someone hits 50?
What about the things you haven't done at all?
I don't think "many others" want credit for something they didn't do.
Maybe I'm just thinking that "others" in general are ethical until proven otherwise.
newtinmpls wrote: »Ceejengine wrote: »
I can guarantee you that if you earn any prestigious title as a DPS then swap to tank, you at a bare minimum know the movements and mechanics..
No you really can't guarantee that.
You may feel that you know them, and that switching to and from any other role makes no difference to you.
This viewpoint does not apply to anyone who is not you.
As an example, a friend of mine spent much of her early group/play experience as a tank; and her play-style was very "up in the bosses junk" So for boss fights she mostly did not really have an awareness of how other things played out from other players perspectives. Playing her first DPS was a different vantage, and a very different experience.maybe if they allowed ALL achievements AND Titles to be on all your characters, once you hit level 50. <Snippage> i really want this, and so do many others.
So...you want "all titles" just as a gimmie when someone hits 50?
What about the things you haven't done at all?
I don't think "many others" want credit for something they didn't do.
Maybe I'm just thinking that "others" in general are ethical until proven otherwise.
Nezyr_Jezz wrote: »I fail to see any revelant comment that would argue against the idea.
Most of you fail to understand, that the game as it is: "a wall of grind", and while some of you might enjoy playing for several years to get one title for each of your two toons, the reality is we do not have time for that, and we are the majority of players.
- While you like to grind everything for 10 times, most players i know find it repelling, boring, and exhausing to begin with. And by most i mean everyone i talked in this game so far for all the years i played it.
- Who the [...insert your politeness here...] wants this system, when you are an accomplished player and your achievement group lacks the tank but you have 2 unlocks done on your DD already... come on?! Seriously?! You fail to understand why it would be profitable?
- Same thing goes with actually guilds and skill lines from said guilds. Im sorry but its just a waste of time and uneeded grind to get the same books or portals for the 14th freaking time. And if you have only 2 characters then this doesn't concern you anyway.
- Trial achievements? Well at that point of the game you literally can perform any role if you have half a brain and can light attack weave. you did it so you know the mechanics, and every progression group wants you to prove them than your up for a task by parsing or by performing in a group anyway?! You bought your title... well it will not get you far since everyone can upload group parse and see how bad you were with your caluurion XD.
- You go as a tank... well most of the progression groups have tanks at the very center of it and usually those spots are taken anyway. Goodspeed tho if you want to go as a tank for a trial that you never did. you will get booted in 15 seconds.
- Leave the achievent possible to "Complete" even when you have a account wide achiemvent system so the titles might be unlocked but after the real completion. If you are worried about going trials that much you can do the same with them. But 4mans?! No thank you.
As mentioned above i fail to see where it would be a problem. It might be that you worked hard to get for a title on every character, but in all honesty majority of smart players that want to enjoy the game rather than grind it to death do not give a damn bit about it. Sorry.
try putting someone elses shoes and looking from a different perspective before advocating for something that is literally bad for the game and majority of the players.
Gamingdays wrote: »Simply no. I worked hard to get true genius on my sorc and as much as a pain it was to get it I don’t want the achievement devalued by just being able to put it on any toon. I could make a new toon and it suddenly has the title. It would just simply devalue it.
Achievements yes.
Titles and character only rewards no. Even though that crafter hammer does look good.
Achievements yes.
Titles and character only rewards no. Even though that crafter hammer does look good.
You're a little too late for that. Everything in the game is already account wide except achievement and titles. Also another note you people keep over looking is that titles are attached to achievements! You're all contradicting yourselves when you say things like "Achievements yes, Titles no" they're both one in the same!
TheCommentator wrote: »
Seems Gilvoth is speaking about things the account has earned, not everything under the sun.
Rescorla_ESO wrote: »
Umnm, it was you personally who completed the achievement so why not have it apply to all your characters?
I miss the times when people playing MMORPG understood what the basic principle of RPG and could distinguish the player from the character..
Gamingdays wrote: »Simply no. I worked hard to get true genius on my sorc and as much as a pain it was to get it I don’t want the achievement devalued by just being able to put it on any toon. I could make a new toon and it suddenly has the title. It would just simply devalue it.
it would encourage people to actually do them, and to switch "Mains".
newtinmpls wrote: »
Gamingdays wrote: »Simply no. I worked hard to get true genius on my sorc and as much as a pain it was to get it I don’t want the achievement devalued by just being able to put it on any toon. I could make a new toon and it suddenly has the title. It would just simply devalue it.
Simply yes. It won't devalue anything. In fact, it would encourage people to actually do them, and to switch "Mains".
Right now I'm stuck getting achievements on ONE character I made 5 years ago. But no lets keep it character locked because "muh uniqueness"
UGotBenched91 wrote: »I will never understand why people are against account-wide achievements. Why do you care if someone displays a title that they didn't get on that specific character? They still had to grind and work hard with a character to get that achievement.
Rescorla_ESO wrote: »Gamingdays wrote: »Simply no. I worked hard to get true genius on my sorc and as much as a pain it was to get it I don’t want the achievement devalued by just being able to put it on any toon. I could make a new toon and it suddenly has the title. It would just simply devalue it.
Umnm, it was you personally who completed the achievement so why not have it apply to all your characters?
Gamingdays wrote: »Simply no. I worked hard to get true genius on my sorc and as much as a pain it was to get it I don’t want the achievement devalued by just being able to put it on any toon. I could make a new toon and it suddenly has the title. It would just simply devalue it.
Simply yes. It won't devalue anything. In fact, it would encourage people to actually do them, and to switch "Mains".
Right now I'm stuck getting achievements on ONE character I made 5 years ago. But no lets keep it character locked because "muh uniqueness"
So doing each achievement on the easiest class for that particular achievement won't devalue them?
UGotBenched91 wrote: »I will never understand why people are against account-wide achievements. Why do you care if someone displays a title that they didn't get on that specific character? They still had to grind and work hard with a character to get that achievement.
A big part of an MMO's long term success is in players repeating content. Making titles and achievements character specific is good for the health of the game going forward.