overland is to easy

ThePhantomThorn

i like hard content.

its why i like progging trials. if its too easy it feels like grinding. and overland...

why can a lvl 10 easily do overland in craglorn?
why is a mighty deaedroth helpless against a player with broken gear and no weapon?

ok the alliance part of one tamriel was good. but the overland is so easy now its just...

i know this is a very old point... but can we make the regons scale to player level? a minimum of lets say 50 for craglorn, and then scales with the player from that point.

also bonus xp for those in that level margin? this would make questing alot more efficient to level with.

because right now, its just boring.

redspecter23

Spoiler Alert!

Overland is supposed to be easy. It's there to get beginners hooked and satisfy a large casual playerbase. It may be easy for you, but do try to understand that there are many, MANY players who struggle in overland content. That content is not designed for you. Play it if you want, but understand that it is not there to challenge you. That's what endgame is for.

haelene

If you like hard content, do the hard content.

Not every piece of content in this game needs to cater to you. It's an mmo - there are other people playing, and not everyone plays to be challenged.

Rave the Histborn

"I know this is a very old point... but can we make the regons scale to player level?"

They already did this pre One Tamriel update and overland was easier then it was now. Also I hate to break it to you but overland isn't really meant to be hard.

ThePhantomThorn

redspecter23 wrote: »

Spoiler Alert!

Overland is supposed to be easy. It's there to get beginners hooked and satisfy a large casual playerbase. It may be easy for you, but do try to understand that there are many, MANY players who struggle in overland content. That content is not designed for you. Play it if you want, but understand that it is not there to challenge you. That's what endgame is for.

so its fine for a level 10 to be farming mobs in craglorn?
it has no feel of progression if anyone can go anywhere

OG_Kaveman

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/362596/pve-combat-is-too-easy-please-add-a-vet-mode-for-overland-content

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/488280/overland-and-story-boring


https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/476326/seriously-this-game-is-too-easy-and-the-overworld-needs-to-be-buffed-heavily

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/454957/onto-the-discussion-for-difficulty-again

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/476144/discussion-questing-and-overland-pve-content-in-general-needs-a-serious-change-my-two-cents

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/494993/animation-canceling-easy-overlandcontent


you are not original with this.


my 2 cents, i have seen people die to pve mobs before, the game is hard for some. personally, i avoid the dlc dungeons because they are are to much effort for very little rewards. i love going ham on easy mobs in pve, part of the power fantasy and makes it feel like all the effort i but into my "build" was worth it.

i like hard content.

then play the hard content, there are at lest 10 dlc vet dungeons and 4 vet trial for you.

redspecter23

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Spoiler Alert!

Overland is supposed to be easy. It's there to get beginners hooked and satisfy a large casual playerbase. It may be easy for you, but do try to understand that there are many, MANY players who struggle in overland content. That content is not designed for you. Play it if you want, but understand that it is not there to challenge you. That's what endgame is for.

so its fine for a level 10 to be farming mobs in craglorn?
it has no feel of progression if anyone can go anywhere

The point of one tamriel is that anyone can go anywhere. Many people enjoy that aspect. You're still level gated out of vet dungeons until you're CP level and you are skill gated out of other vet content like trials.

haelene

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Spoiler Alert!

Overland is supposed to be easy. It's there to get beginners hooked and satisfy a large casual playerbase. It may be easy for you, but do try to understand that there are many, MANY players who struggle in overland content. That content is not designed for you. Play it if you want, but understand that it is not there to challenge you. That's what endgame is for.

so its fine for a level 10 to be farming mobs in craglorn?
it has no feel of progression if anyone can go anywhere

Yep, it's absolutely fine. Also, I want a video. Better not be any cp or set bonuses either, because most real level 10's don't have that.

SeaGtGruff

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Spoiler Alert!

Overland is supposed to be easy. It's there to get beginners hooked and satisfy a large casual playerbase. It may be easy for you, but do try to understand that there are many, MANY players who struggle in overland content. That content is not designed for you. Play it if you want, but understand that it is not there to challenge you. That's what endgame is for.

so its fine for a level 10 to be farming mobs in craglorn?
it has no feel of progression if anyone can go anywhere

You should be farming those glowing portals in Craglorn.

srfrogg23

*too easy

MartiniDaniels

Yep, overland is unbearably easy and unrewarding, I may complete quests only with beer in 1 hand and some sport cast in background, otherwise I felt like I will immediately fall asleep from boredom. So far I found that best way to explore ESO lore is to read UESP articles from mobile, writing and stories are often interesting, but gameplay is unbearable.

Spoiler alert: I do quests on my no-CP PVP characters with 0 allocated CPs and without food. Everything still dies in seconds and if I play on my PVE CP810 dps, mobs are just swiped as I go, I don't need to weave or anything I just spam gap closer+snare removal+aoe between mob groups and they all die or reset. Ah, and interface is turned off too.

ThePhantomThorn

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Yep, overland is unbearably easy and unrewarding, I may complete quests only with beer in 1 hand and some sport cast in background, otherwise I felt like I will immediately fall asleep from boredom. So far I found that best way to explore ESO lore is to read UESP articles from mobile, writing and stories are often interesting, but gameplay is unbearable.

Spoiler alert: I do quests on my no-CP PVP characters with 0 allocated CPs and without food. Everything still dies in seconds and if I play on my PVE CP810 dps, mobs are just swiped as I go, I don't need to weave or anything I just spam gap closer+snare removal+aoe between mob groups and they all die or reset. Ah, and interface is turned off too.

you get it

haelene

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Yep, overland is unbearably easy and unrewarding, I may complete quests only with beer in 1 hand and some sport cast in background, otherwise I felt like I will immediately fall asleep from boredom. So far I found that best way to explore ESO lore is to read UESP articles from mobile, writing and stories are often interesting, but gameplay is unbearable.

Spoiler alert: I do quests on my no-CP PVP characters with 0 allocated CPs and without food. Everything still dies in seconds and if I play on my PVE CP810 dps, mobs are just swiped as I go, I don't need to weave or anything I just spam gap closer+snare removal+aoe between mob groups and they all die or reset. Ah, and interface is turned off too.

Video or it didn't happen. Also I expect no sets on those no-cp pvp characters either, as, again, a real new player doesn't have access to that.

I mean, I would get rid of the ultimate buff too (which is the knowledge you have gained about how the game works and why), but that's impossible, so we'll just have to take what we can get.

(Also CP810's should make overland feel like butter. That's good. It's not supposed to be difficult.)

redspecter23

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Yep, overland is unbearably easy and unrewarding, I may complete quests only with beer in 1 hand and some sport cast in background, otherwise I felt like I will immediately fall asleep from boredom. So far I found that best way to explore ESO lore is to read UESP articles from mobile, writing and stories are often interesting, but gameplay is unbearable.

Spoiler alert: I do quests on my no-CP PVP characters with 0 allocated CPs and without food. Everything still dies in seconds and if I play on my PVE CP810 dps, mobs are just swiped as I go, I don't need to weave or anything I just spam gap closer+snare removal+aoe between mob groups and they all die or reset. Ah, and interface is turned off too.

And yet I still see new players struggling with overland every day. It's almost like they haven't been playing as long as you have and don't have the experience with the game and systems.

Just because you're awesome, never assume everyone is as awesome as you are.

ThePhantomThorn

haelene wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Yep, overland is unbearably easy and unrewarding, I may complete quests only with beer in 1 hand and some sport cast in background, otherwise I felt like I will immediately fall asleep from boredom. So far I found that best way to explore ESO lore is to read UESP articles from mobile, writing and stories are often interesting, but gameplay is unbearable.

Spoiler alert: I do quests on my no-CP PVP characters with 0 allocated CPs and without food. Everything still dies in seconds and if I play on my PVE CP810 dps, mobs are just swiped as I go, I don't need to weave or anything I just spam gap closer+snare removal+aoe between mob groups and they all die or reset. Ah, and interface is turned off too.

Video or it didn't happen. Also I expect no sets on those no-cp pvp characters either, as, again, a real new player doesn't have access to that.

I mean, I would get rid of the ultimate buff too (which is the knowledge you have gained about how the game works and why), but that's impossible, so we'll just have to take what we can get.

(Also CP810's should make overland feel like butter. That's good. It's not supposed to be difficult.)

would you like me to remove gear? because new players might not have that.
what about investing attributes?
or skills?
i assume im not alowed any food either.... dispite the level up rewards literaly giving you ok gear, food and advice.

and the point is level 10s. dosnt matter if theyre 810 or 0.

phileunderx2

Stap!!!

TequilaFire

And people wonder why ZOS nerfs their characters.

redspecter23

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Spoiler Alert!

Overland is supposed to be easy. It's there to get beginners hooked and satisfy a large casual playerbase. It may be easy for you, but do try to understand that there are many, MANY players who struggle in overland content. That content is not designed for you. Play it if you want, but understand that it is not there to challenge you. That's what endgame is for.

so its fine for a level 10 to be farming mobs in craglorn?
it has no feel of progression if anyone can go anywhere

You should be farming those glowing portals in Craglorn.

I would like to see video from the op of a level 10 character with no cp allocated and no sets go and destroy those portals in Craglorn. I need to learn something new today.

ThePhantomThorn

redspecter23 wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Yep, overland is unbearably easy and unrewarding, I may complete quests only with beer in 1 hand and some sport cast in background, otherwise I felt like I will immediately fall asleep from boredom. So far I found that best way to explore ESO lore is to read UESP articles from mobile, writing and stories are often interesting, but gameplay is unbearable.

Spoiler alert: I do quests on my no-CP PVP characters with 0 allocated CPs and without food. Everything still dies in seconds and if I play on my PVE CP810 dps, mobs are just swiped as I go, I don't need to weave or anything I just spam gap closer+snare removal+aoe between mob groups and they all die or reset. Ah, and interface is turned off too.

And yet I still see new players struggling with overland every day. It's almost like they haven't been playing as long as you have and don't have the experience with the game and systems.

Just because you're awesome, never assume everyone is as awesome as you are.

ok heres my idea cuz i dont think i made it clear:

each zone has a min level eg
bleakrock isle = 0
stonefalls = 5
deshaan = 15 ect

then the overland would scale to the player from that point.

redspecter23

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Yep, overland is unbearably easy and unrewarding, I may complete quests only with beer in 1 hand and some sport cast in background, otherwise I felt like I will immediately fall asleep from boredom. So far I found that best way to explore ESO lore is to read UESP articles from mobile, writing and stories are often interesting, but gameplay is unbearable.

Spoiler alert: I do quests on my no-CP PVP characters with 0 allocated CPs and without food. Everything still dies in seconds and if I play on my PVE CP810 dps, mobs are just swiped as I go, I don't need to weave or anything I just spam gap closer+snare removal+aoe between mob groups and they all die or reset. Ah, and interface is turned off too.

And yet I still see new players struggling with overland every day. It's almost like they haven't been playing as long as you have and don't have the experience with the game and systems.

Just because you're awesome, never assume everyone is as awesome as you are.

ok heres my idea cuz i dont think i made it clear:

each zone has a min level eg
bleakrock isle = 0
stonefalls = 5
deshaan = 15 ect

then the overland would scale to the player from that point.

That's what it was before one tamriel and it was generally considered a bad thing.

NoodleESO

mean while most of the guild that I am in has a bunch of cp810 players who can only light attack.

SeaGtGruff

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

haelene wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Yep, overland is unbearably easy and unrewarding, I may complete quests only with beer in 1 hand and some sport cast in background, otherwise I felt like I will immediately fall asleep from boredom. So far I found that best way to explore ESO lore is to read UESP articles from mobile, writing and stories are often interesting, but gameplay is unbearable.

Spoiler alert: I do quests on my no-CP PVP characters with 0 allocated CPs and without food. Everything still dies in seconds and if I play on my PVE CP810 dps, mobs are just swiped as I go, I don't need to weave or anything I just spam gap closer+snare removal+aoe between mob groups and they all die or reset. Ah, and interface is turned off too.

Video or it didn't happen. Also I expect no sets on those no-cp pvp characters either, as, again, a real new player doesn't have access to that.

I mean, I would get rid of the ultimate buff too (which is the knowledge you have gained about how the game works and why), but that's impossible, so we'll just have to take what we can get.

(Also CP810's should make overland feel like butter. That's good. It's not supposed to be difficult.)

would you like me to remove gear? because new players might not have that.
what about investing attributes?
or skills?
i assume im not alowed any food either.... dispite the level up rewards literaly giving you ok gear, food and advice.

and the point is level 10s. dosnt matter if theyre 810 or 0.

It's those skills and AOEs you're spamming that are the problem, not your gear or food or CPs.

MartiniDaniels

haelene wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Spoiler Alert!

Overland is supposed to be easy. It's there to get beginners hooked and satisfy a large casual playerbase. It may be easy for you, but do try to understand that there are many, MANY players who struggle in overland content. That content is not designed for you. Play it if you want, but understand that it is not there to challenge you. That's what endgame is for.

so its fine for a level 10 to be farming mobs in craglorn?
it has no feel of progression if anyone can go anywhere

Yep, it's absolutely fine. Also, I want a video. Better not be any cp or set bonuses either, because most real level 10's don't have that.

I don't have a video, but I had one nice screenshot from one of such discussions, where elite mob was unable to kill my CP810 without CP (so no low level bonuses), without gear and without abilities slotted. Enjoy: 9k HP, 0 resistances, 500 dps. Giant, creature that will one-shot level 10 character in Skyrim on default difficulty, couldn't do anything to completely naked un-buffed toon in ESO. Giant dps was 150 against zero resistances, zero CP. (8744 is minimal health possible, if I had CP allocated that number will be higher).

haelene

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

haelene wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Yep, overland is unbearably easy and unrewarding, I may complete quests only with beer in 1 hand and some sport cast in background, otherwise I felt like I will immediately fall asleep from boredom. So far I found that best way to explore ESO lore is to read UESP articles from mobile, writing and stories are often interesting, but gameplay is unbearable.

Spoiler alert: I do quests on my no-CP PVP characters with 0 allocated CPs and without food. Everything still dies in seconds and if I play on my PVE CP810 dps, mobs are just swiped as I go, I don't need to weave or anything I just spam gap closer+snare removal+aoe between mob groups and they all die or reset. Ah, and interface is turned off too.

Video or it didn't happen. Also I expect no sets on those no-cp pvp characters either, as, again, a real new player doesn't have access to that.

I mean, I would get rid of the ultimate buff too (which is the knowledge you have gained about how the game works and why), but that's impossible, so we'll just have to take what we can get.

(Also CP810's should make overland feel like butter. That's good. It's not supposed to be difficult.)

would you like me to remove gear? because new players might not have that.
what about investing attributes?
or skills?
i assume im not alowed any food either.... dispite the level up rewards literaly giving you ok gear, food and advice.

and the point is level 10s. dosnt matter if theyre 810 or 0.

Yep because new players don't have gear, and yep, you ought to be using the first skill of each line and only that. No morph's either. As far as attributes - you can have the first 10 they give you, but you need to allocate it randomly (because most new players don't know they should only put it in stam or mag.)

Why does it matter?

Because that's what overland is for. People who don't have the access you do. It's. Not. For. Experienced. Players.

New players don't have gear, don't know to eat food, don't know how to properly invest their attributes, and only have access to a few skills. They certainly don't have CP backing them.

If you think that a level 10 with nothing is the same as a level 10 with 810 CP's allocated is the same - well I don't know what to tell you.

haelene

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

haelene wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Spoiler Alert!

Overland is supposed to be easy. It's there to get beginners hooked and satisfy a large casual playerbase. It may be easy for you, but do try to understand that there are many, MANY players who struggle in overland content. That content is not designed for you. Play it if you want, but understand that it is not there to challenge you. That's what endgame is for.

so its fine for a level 10 to be farming mobs in craglorn?
it has no feel of progression if anyone can go anywhere

Yep, it's absolutely fine. Also, I want a video. Better not be any cp or set bonuses either, because most real level 10's don't have that.

I don't have a video, but I had one nice screenshot from one of such discussions, where elite mob was unable to kill my CP810 without CP (so no low level bonuses), without gear and without abilities slotted. Enjoy: 9k HP, 0 resistances, 500 dps. Giant, creature that will one-shot level 10 character in Skyrim on default difficulty, couldn't do anything to completely naked un-buffed toon in ESO. Giant dps was 150 against zero resistances, zero CP. (8744 is minimal health possible, if I had CP allocated that number will be higher).

Not good enough. I want video of you doing it with proof that you don't have on set's, no CP allocated, no skills ect. Then I will believe you. Until I see that, all I've got is "because I said so".

Also it took you four full minutes for that one mob. 4.

That is not anywhere near what people are trying to pretend is happening.

MasterSpatula

And I want to get on the Leaderboard for Vet Trials with a Julianos/Magnus MagSorc with poor coordination who can't manage weaving and sometimes forgets to keep his DOTs up.

However, I realize that not everything in the game is aimed at me, and that's a good thing.

Marolf

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/categories/general-discussion

haelene

Stupid formatting. Ignore this post.

Theodorus

Overland content is embarrassingly easy for people who have reached CP810 and been playing the game for 5 years. The only way to fix this is to make it too hard for new players, thereby cutting ZOS' revenue stream and dooming the game to a slow(er) death.

It's not just about having gear sets and twinking your lvl 1 players with champion points. I recently started an alternate account with an actual 'noob' level one character. It was still easy, because the game mechanics are so familiar now and I know where everything is.

I dislike One Tamriel for what it did to the lore and storyline. 'What's my MOTIVATION, Mr. Stanislavski'?

Kiralyn2000

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

so its fine for a level 10 to be farming mobs in craglorn?

Part of that is an artifact of how One Tamriel works. It's probably 'easier' for a Lv10 than for a similarly-geared/skilled Lv50 - the lv10 has more of a "scaling" boost, which fades as you level (since, presumably, you're assigning skill points, gearing better, etc)

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

i like hard content.

its why i like progging trials. if its too easy it feels like grinding. and overland...

As with all these threads, I have a serious question: Can you please tell me a modern mainstream MMO, where the overland is challenging for skilled players, let alone "progression"/raid players?

MartiniDaniels

haelene wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

haelene wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Spoiler Alert!

Overland is supposed to be easy. It's there to get beginners hooked and satisfy a large casual playerbase. It may be easy for you, but do try to understand that there are many, MANY players who struggle in overland content. That content is not designed for you. Play it if you want, but understand that it is not there to challenge you. That's what endgame is for.

so its fine for a level 10 to be farming mobs in craglorn?
it has no feel of progression if anyone can go anywhere

Yep, it's absolutely fine. Also, I want a video. Better not be any cp or set bonuses either, because most real level 10's don't have that.

I don't have a video, but I had one nice screenshot from one of such discussions, where elite mob was unable to kill my CP810 without CP (so no low level bonuses), without gear and without abilities slotted. Enjoy: 9k HP, 0 resistances, 500 dps. Giant, creature that will one-shot level 10 character in Skyrim on default difficulty, couldn't do anything to completely naked un-buffed toon in ESO. Giant dps was 150 against zero resistances, zero CP. (8744 is minimal health possible, if I had CP allocated that number will be higher).

Not good enough. I want video of you doing it with proof that you don't have on set's, no CP allocated, no skills ect. Then I will believe you. Until I see that, all I've got is "because I said so".

Also it took you four full minutes for that one mob. 4.

That is not anywhere near what people are trying to pretend is happening.

You may see health, resistances and giant's dps in screenshot. That is more then enough to see how much of "threat" is overland. So far the only ways to die I see is either jumping from the cliff or be kicked off the server. If you at least move, you are already immortal.
If ZOS employee will confirm that they'll at least look at base game overland in terms of making it more challenging, I'll make such video, no problem.

Ahem, it took 4 minutes because I had 9k stamina and 258 WPD from racial passives and no abilities slotted. Unarmed light attack damage is ~(max stamina/10+wpd)/2. This was max dps possible in such conditions.