Onto the discussion for difficulty... again

Vhozek

No CP, starting gear, level 4, didn't cast any spells, unique HP bar enemy, no dodging, no moving other than swinging. Only interrupting. Look at my HP.






At least make enemies with this type of HP harder. I will test on a Troll and a Griphon if you want me to.

Cadbury

IIRC, someone was going to solo all non-DLC WB at level 5 with starting gear and no pots to show how easy overland content was. I never saw the results of that experiment.

Vhozek

Cadbury wrote: »

IIRC, someone was going to solo all non-DLC WB at level 5 with starting gear and no pots to show how easy overland content was. I never saw the results of that experiment.

Really? I'm not sure the game is THAT easy, but it's definitely missing a touch in certain areas. Though I could be wrong because my level 20 DK was taking down WB left and right. That was my first time trying it.

Rake

if you know mechanics its easy. But for completely new players, even if you give them best possible gear for their level, these fights might be a challenge.
ESO have issue with difficulty of content.
We have either very easy enemies or very hard ones.
Maybe there could be something in the middle enemies as well.
By the way, I am not sure if something like veteran zone switch would be possible, but I would love that.
Only way we can have that now is by gimping ourselves, either by removal of our CPs or bu using non adequate gear and skills.
This is not great if you ask me.

Girl_Number8

Cadbury wrote: »

IIRC, someone was going to solo all non-DLC WB at level 5 with starting gear and no pots to show how easy overland content was. I never saw the results of that experiment.

Classic Cadbury xD

Girl_Number8

Vhozek wrote: »

No CP, starting gear, level 4, didn't cast any spells, unique HP bar enemy, no dodging, no moving other than swinging. Only interrupting. Look at my HP.






At least make enemies with this type of HP harder. I will test on a Troll and a Griphon if you want me to.

This shows nothing as overland content was designed for causal players and new players. Also, a bull netch is like beating on a cute puppy, if it looked like a weird giant squid. Play the competitive content and enjoy the necromancer in June, Cx.

Vhozek

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

This shows nothing as overland content was designed for causal players and new players. Also, a bull netch is like beating on a cute puppy, if it looked like a weird giant squid. Play the competitive content and enjoy the necromancer is June, Cx.

I think you're missing the point. If this post was about what you think it was about, I would've posted it on a character at max level, not starting level.

MasterSpatula

Vhozek wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

This shows nothing as overland content was designed for causal players and new players. Also, a bull netch is like beating on a cute puppy, if it looked like a weird giant squid. Play the competitive content and enjoy the necromancer is June, Cx.

I think you're missing the point. If this post was about what you think it was about, I would've posted it on a character at max level, not starting level.

You can simulate the noob experience in terms of CP, available abilities and passives, and gear. The one thing you cannot simulate is having no idea what you're doing and learning as you go.

Girl_Number8

Vhozek wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

This shows nothing as overland content was designed for causal players and new players. Also, a bull netch is like beating on a cute puppy, if it looked like a weird giant squid. Play the competitive content and enjoy the necromancer is June, Cx.

I think you're missing the point. If this post was about what you think it was about, I would've posted it on a character at max level, not starting level.

No I didn't. You know the combat mechanics and are not a new player. So stop beating on the wildlife and get all your skins and the notable achievements. Overland is fine for what it is.

Beardimus

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Vhozek wrote: »

No CP, starting gear, level 4, didn't cast any spells, unique HP bar enemy, no dodging, no moving other than swinging. Only interrupting. Look at my HP.






At least make enemies with this type of HP harder. I will test on a Troll and a Griphon if you want me to.

This shows nothing as overland content was designed for causal players and new players. Also, a bull netch is like beating on a cute puppy, if it looked like a weird giant squid. Play the competitive content and enjoy the necromancer in June, Cx.

what is competitive when you hit CP cap? Vet Trials HM?

So the suggestion is to run past 99% of the games content to get to something that works at a decent CP level...

I think the OP is right, raise the bar way harder on overland so we can all enjoy the full richness of the game.

Most overland content exploration is more 'fun' than standing in read with meta min max gear on mashing buttons in a set sequence for 'many' people. why not combine the two.

Girl_Number8

Beardimus wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Vhozek wrote: »

No CP, starting gear, level 4, didn't cast any spells, unique HP bar enemy, no dodging, no moving other than swinging. Only interrupting. Look at my HP.






At least make enemies with this type of HP harder. I will test on a Troll and a Griphon if you want me to.

This shows nothing as overland content was designed for causal players and new players. Also, a bull netch is like beating on a cute puppy, if it looked like a weird giant squid. Play the competitive content and enjoy the necromancer in June, Cx.

what is competitive when you hit CP cap? Vet Trials HM?

So the suggestion is to run past 99% of the games content to get to something that works at a decent CP level...

I think the OP is right, raise the bar way harder on overland so we can all enjoy the full richness of the game.

Most overland content exploration is more 'fun' than standing in read with meta min max gear on mashing buttons in a set sequence for 'many' people. why not combine the two.

Depends on the player but the majority of the max cp players have not even completed all the dlc dungeons on vet, the vet trials, and many other achievements.

This subject has already had many posts and it has been decided over and over to let overland remain as is for the casual players and new players.

Ash_In_My_Sujamma

This subject has already had many posts and it has been decided over and over to let overland remain as is for the casual players and new players.

Overland content will remain as it is, in the meantime there are many self proclaimed casuals across the forums asking for nerfs on dungeons and trials and even go one step ahead and ask for solo modes on every group content and a pve Cyrodiil.

Mr_Walker

Beardimus wrote: »

I think the OP is right, raise the bar way harder on overland so we can all enjoy the full richness of the game.

I didn't realise you spoke for everyone. Congratulations on your new position.

MartiniDaniels

Cadbury wrote: »

IIRC, someone was going to solo all non-DLC WB at level 5 with starting gear and no pots to show how easy overland content was. I never saw the results of that experiment.

Probably caravan guar ate him

Vhozek

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

No I didn't. You know the combat mechanics and are not a new player. So stop beating on the wildlife and get all your skins and the notable achievements. Overland is fine for what it is.

But you ARE missing the point. You're talking about mechanics yet I specified I didn't walk or dodge. All I did was Interrupt and swing my sword with 0 CP, used 0 skills (even though they're slotted), have the starting gear you get as you spawn into the game, and I was level 4. That only happened because I killed a few things before I decided to make this post and I found medium armor boots.

Again, I stood STILL and attacked. There were no mechanics involved.

Why did I interrupt? because the game literally tells you to do it, how to do it, and when to do it in every scenario possible.

MasterSpatula

Mysterious hours-later double post.

AlienatedGoat

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Vhozek wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

This shows nothing as overland content was designed for causal players and new players. Also, a bull netch is like beating on a cute puppy, if it looked like a weird giant squid. Play the competitive content and enjoy the necromancer is June, Cx.

I think you're missing the point. If this post was about what you think it was about, I would've posted it on a character at max level, not starting level.

You can simulate the noob experience in terms of CP, available abilities and passives, and gear. The one thing you cannot simulate is having no idea what you're doing and learning as you go.

This is exactly the reason that the "gimp yourself" argument falls short.

Even if I wanted to, allocating no CP, wearing trash gear/no gear, and using 1 bar isn't a proper elevation of difficulty. There's just simply nothing to counteract the thousands upon thousands of hours of experience.

Overland needs a veteran difficulty option/toggle. That's all there is to it.

Reistr_the_Unbroken

Ash_In_My_Sujamma wrote: »

This subject has already had many posts and it has been decided over and over to let overland remain as is for the casual players and new players.

Overland content will remain as it is, in the meantime there are many self proclaimed casuals across the forums asking for nerfs on dungeons and trials and even go one step ahead and ask for solo modes on every group content and a pve Cyrodiil.

Ummm, nobody was asking for nerfs on your precious dungeons. That’s all on you and the group elitists.

Edit: and is it really that bad that a SOLO MODE for people to enjoy- who also gave you so much as to why it’s needed besides the cards “ITS AN MMO” “or “GO GROUP”- [snip]

[Edited for baiting]

Chicharron

Vhozek wrote: »

No CP, starting gear, level 4, didn't cast any spells, unique HP bar enemy, no dodging, no moving other than swinging. Only interrupting. Look at my HP.






At least make enemies with this type of HP harder. I will test on a Troll and a Griphon if you want me to.

Have you tried playing with one hand?

I have seen players level 30 be defeated by some boss in a delve.

It is not the same to be new than to pretend to be.

Jaimeh

MasterSpatula wrote: »

You can simulate the noob experience in terms of CP, available abilities and passives, and gear. The one thing you cannot simulate is having no idea what you're doing and learning as you go.

This, pretty much. At least OP you interrupted, it's most likely a brand new level 4 player wouldn't even know to do that.

JayAstrophel

For me personally, as someone fairly new to the game and still learning all the mechanics, I still sometimes have trouble when my low health stamblade has to take on more than two enemies at once time in the overworld. I know that's silly and I'm not the best player yet, but I'm slowly learning and getting better at taking on these challenges!

Basically, the overland is still difficult for me at times, and I am in awe of your ability to take down that creature at level 4.

AlienatedGoat

Chicharron wrote: »

Vhozek wrote: »

No CP, starting gear, level 4, didn't cast any spells, unique HP bar enemy, no dodging, no moving other than swinging. Only interrupting. Look at my HP.






At least make enemies with this type of HP harder. I will test on a Troll and a Griphon if you want me to.

Have you tried playing with one hand?

I have seen players level 30 be defeated by some boss in a delve.

It is not the same to be new than to pretend to be.

That's the point. For anyone who's played the game enough to understand game mechanics, it's impossible to be challenged by overland. No matter how much you gimp yourself.

And lets be real - nobody should have to gimp themselves to have fun playing 95% of the game.

Nestor

Also, you are never stronger in this game than you are at low levels with level appropriate gear. Level scaling buffs you. Gain about 10 or 15 levels, and wear the same L4 gear. You will find yourself much weaker.

Mintaka5

Something is wrong with this game. Honestly, when I stand still and do nothing while being attacked in Cyrodiil battles, I take less damage, and have way more health sustain. If I start wailing on someone, casting spells and attacks, health drops through the floor. I've even experimented with the same character by putting on basic gear (no sets, no enchants, no traits, minimum quality), and I kid you not, the decrease in performance is marginal at best. WTF?

MEBengalsFan2001

Rake wrote: »

if you know mechanics its easy. But for completely new players, even if you give them best possible gear for their level, these fights might be a challenge.
ESO have issue with difficulty of content.
We have either very easy enemies or very hard ones.
Maybe there could be something in the middle enemies as well.
By the way, I am not sure if something like veteran zone switch would be possible, but I would love that.
Only way we can have that now is by gimping ourselves, either by removal of our CPs or bu using non adequate gear and skills.
This is not great if you ask me.

This is a problem all MMO face. The best solution is create end game dungeons with higher level of difficulty and leave the open world stuff as is for the casual less experienced player so they can enjoy the game and not have to worry about dying constantly.

Linaleah

optional veteran difficulty zones that you can switch to at will - yes. (you would literally be switched to a different instance of a zone, and before anyone starts talking about splitting up the community, you ARE aware that we play with sharding already and have different instances of the same zone active at any given time, right? right? )

making current overland harder for everyone? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

thorwyn

HE KILLED THE TINYFIN!!!!

StarOfElyon

Yeah, beating a boss in less than 10 seconds on an off day is not really rewarding. I know people want more power but it's kind of pointless when it makes questing more of an annoyance than a challenge.

Jolipinator

If you raise the difficulty of overland enemies you would have to remove 80% of them. People tolerate the placing of enemies in this game because they are so easy to kill. In delves and quests the game forces you to fight enemies every 10 feet, so if every fight required effort players would leave this game immediately.

I already can't stand fighting enemies with my melee abilities, just have them take 10 steps back to channel their ability, usually walking through a wall or object in the process, and then fear me to the other side of Tamriel.

Algraxa

How about you go live in PvP land if you want challenge at every encounter....

I do not want or need to spend ten minuets trying to burn down every wolf that I agro.

Even boss fight is a snooze fest. Press 1-2-3-4 bar swap 1-2-3-4 bar swap. Oh... make sure to watch the boss mechanic, 1-2-3-4. five or ten minuets of this and it becomes nothing more than -more of the same- MMO combat in this game and in most MMO's is repetitive and not an experience I am keen on lengthening.

I much preferred this game before 1-Tam.... I could choose to wander off into higher lvl areas when I wanted to, and blow through lower level trash when I did not, it made sky shard hunting fun, lvl 7 in a lvl 50 zone. but it was my choice, not a continual time suck.

Zatox

if you just start to play, the game is difficult enough. If you are experienced one and still complain about lack of difficulty- show me your "flawless conquer" title, and Frostvault no-death run.