Do you consider the new pet p2w

Kiralyn2000

No, and I don't have ESO+

Being able to be a slightly-more-insane hoarder, isn't "winning". Just because some people think they need to keep every set that ever interested them in their bank, doesn't mean it's actually needed to "win".


(Or "no, I consider the pet to be a trap to separate fools from their money. Just like the Bank & Merchant helpers. And the Skyshards. And the mount training books. And the skill lines.")


edit: and no, I haven't gotten around to maxing out my basic bank & bags.

Kiralyn2000

No, and I don't have ESO+

heaven13 wrote: »

RogueShark wrote: »

Idk why people are foaming at the mouth over a five inventory slot pet when ESO+ has a craft bag. Craft bag is way more impactful if you're someone who thinks convenience is p2w (which makes banker and merchant also p2w).

Bankers and merchants are available all throughout Tamriel. These extra 5 inventory slots are Crown exclusive. There is literally no other way to obtain them than by purchasing with crowns (either your own or someone else's through use of crown gifting).

But the fact that someone can get it for in-game resources (gold), means it's not "pay to win". Because it's not exclusive to people who paid.

(I still remember real "p2w" games - open world/free-for-all pvp games where the best gear, insurance to keep people from looting your corpse, and the only methods to enchant your gear for max efficiency; could only be gotten for actual cash spent by you.)

Kiralyn2000

No, and I don't have ESO+

ValueDrift wrote: »

Simple question. Is extra inventory space purely cosmetic, or is it an advantage?

Neither. 5 inventory spaces added onto hundreds you have already is clutter.

Araneae6537

No, and I have ESO+

Not P2W, but I don’t like the direction it is going, especially in context of how purely cosmetic (no utility such as inventory) items released have become more expensive and Gem exclusive.

I do not mind paying for cosmetics and even QoL and utility but to have the only option to get such items be for increasing amounts of real money when I already pay for ESO+ seems unreasonable. I bought many such items in GW2 but they were comparably less expensive, always direct purchases (they have RNG stuff too but none of this “Gem exclusive” system I hate) and GW2 was truly F2P, but for expansions and no subscription.

RogueShark

No, and I have ESO+

heaven13 wrote: »

RogueShark wrote: »

Idk why people are foaming at the mouth over a five inventory slot pet when ESO+ has a craft bag. Craft bag is way more impactful if you're someone who thinks convenience is p2w (which makes banker and merchant also p2w).

Bankers and merchants are available all throughout Tamriel. These extra 5 inventory slots are Crown exclusive. There is literally no other way to obtain them than by purchasing with crowns (either your own or someone else's through use of crown gifting).

But being able to whip them out while farming/grinding without further interruption is still a major convenience. Craft bag still applies to "unable to get anywhere else without paying" as well.

heaven13

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

RogueShark wrote: »

Idk why people are foaming at the mouth over a five inventory slot pet when ESO+ has a craft bag. Craft bag is way more impactful if you're someone who thinks convenience is p2w (which makes banker and merchant also p2w).

Bankers and merchants are available all throughout Tamriel. These extra 5 inventory slots are Crown exclusive. There is literally no other way to obtain them than by purchasing with crowns (either your own or someone else's through use of crown gifting).

But the fact that someone can get it for in-game resources (gold), means it's not "pay to win". Because it's not exclusive to people who paid.

(I still remember real "p2w" games - open world/free-for-all pvp games where the best gear, insurance to keep people from looting your corpse, and the only methods to enchant your gear for max efficiency; could only be gotten for actual cash spent by you.)

Someone has to pay crowns. I'm not saying this pig is particularly p2w but I am debating the fact between crown store exclusive vs also obtainable in game. Bankers and merchants...available in game. Skyshards...available in game. Guild lines...available in game. Mount/bank/bag upgrades...available in game. The pig extends your inventory space BEYOND what is available in game and is otherwise not obtainable except by means of spending crowns.

Honestly, crown gifting has further blurred the line between what's acceptable as cash shop and what should be available in-game because there's always people that argue "but I bought it with gold!!!!" without acknowledging that SOMEONE paid cash for it. So "boycotting" the pig by buying with gold is no boycott at all. ZoS gets their money at the end of the day and they don't care whose wallet it came from.

I'm already sad about the pack mule because I love him but surely he will be another of these functional "cosmetics".

TequilaFire

No, and I have ESO+

What is the difference between buying a storage chest and a storage chest with legs?

srfrogg23

No, and I have ESO+

TequilaFire wrote: »

What is the difference between buying a storage chest and a storage chest with legs?

The inability to earn it through ingame methods.

TequilaFire

No, and I have ESO+

So ridiculous over 5 lousy slots.

srfrogg23

No, and I have ESO+

TequilaFire wrote: »

So ridiculous over 5 lousy slots.

It seems innocuous, doesn't it?

It's just 5 inventory slots that you can't get anywhere but the cash shop.

If this sells well, maybe they'll put other stats on other cash shop offerings?

Maybe a 2% boost to health on the next one?

How's about a 3% increase to weapon and spell power?

A 5% boost to crit chance? Would these things convince you to spend MORE money? Would they?

I mean, it's just a little boost...

peacenote

No, and I have ESO+

The craft bag is extra storage, too, so if you take that stance ESO has been "p2w" for a looooooooonnnnggg time.

Even if you do think it is p2w, then this isn't the first step by any means.

Rave the Histborn

Yes, and I have ESO+

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Please explain how 5 extra inventory slots is P2W.

You're paying for an advantage other players not paying for the pet get. You're paying for an advantage.

idk

No, and I have ESO+

So the poll clearly shows that those who bother to enter this thread and respond that very few consider the pet P2W.

It also shows that even with within those who do not sub the majority do not consider the pet P2W and the same can easily be said for those who do sub.

Overwhelmingly people have responded that the long held P2W belief is that is has to make your character stronger in combat than can be obtained in game.

RaveRaveRaveRave

No, and I have ESO+

The amount of inventory space doesn't help me win anything.

MrGarlic

No, and I don't have ESO+

It's more Pay To Lose.

If you buy it, you are losing hard earned money.

Such a waste of resources. A huge waste of money.

5 slots, pfft....

svartorn

No, and I have ESO+

Iluvrien wrote: »

No.

But as ZOS has shown us in the past... every time they test the waters and the playerbase doesn't react, then we will get more of this. And it will be worse.

See: Motifs, skyshards, skill lines, etc.

Please show me the skyshards and skill lines in the crown store that are not available in the game.

Motifs help with winning?

ACaptiveMind

Yes, and I have ESO+

"This isn't poison. Also, this poison is in too small a quantity to be harmful."

Not a persuasive train of thought for me.

AndyMac

No, and I have ESO+

It’s pay for a very small amount of convenience- nothing to see here imo.

svartorn

No, and I have ESO+

ACaptiveMind wrote: »

"This isn't poison. Also, this poison is in too small a quantity to be harmful."

Not a persuasive train of thought for me.

I mean, you could call them shoes or poison and your argument is just as bad.

If y'all are gonna complain about ZOS, at least be honest about it, if it's not too hard for you.

StormeReigns

No, and I have ESO+

Hmm. Either Boomer or Virtual Signaling...
Or both...

SirDopey

No, and I have ESO+

leepalmer95 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

@leepalmer95

It increases your inventory slots by 5.

Its not p2w, but its stlll scummy af.

Nice to know that pets are no longer just cosmetics.

Next you'll see a mount that gives an extra 10% movement speed.

The early game had special bonus for the horses.....

chess1ukb16_ESO

The only pay to win is in trading where some GM's supplement their expenses by selling crown gifts for gold.

Gleitfrosch

If 5 inventory slots are p2w for you, what do you think of the crafting material bag?

Tandor

No, and I have ESO+

Some people really need to learn the meaning of P2W.

Raideen

Yes, and I have ESO+

Yes, it is absolutely pay to win, much of the crown store is.

The problem is not determining if its pay to win or not, the problem is that people confuse FPS pay to win with MMORPG pay to win, which are two totally separate things.

People do not "win" in MMO's like they do in FPS, people win in MMO's in other ways, usually collecting. But PTW is anytime money can be exchanged for a good or service that gives that player an advantage over one who is playing the game to acquire the same good or service.

ESO+ is pay to win due to more gold making, freed up bank slots and extra XP.
Crown store is pay to win because you can buy "conveniences".

This video will better help to explain why it is pay to win.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ywdh1on_HU&t=2s

idk

No, and I have ESO+

Corspa wrote: »

People do not "win" in MMO's like they do in FPS, people win in MMO's in other ways, usually collecting. s

Not really. PvP, I kill you I win. You kill me you win. Then we have competitive PvE leaderboards.

That is where the win in Pay to Win comes from. Not collecting trivial items.

Elsonso

IDK/Prefer not to answer

People can't seem to get past "only 5 slots... not a big deal".

Those slots are account wide. Every character gets 5 slots. That means that the pet adds 80 new slots to the account. For people who subscribe to the mule method of inventory management, this is a big deal.

My first objection is that this is yet another thing for which there is no in-game equivalent. They should introduce an in-game version of everything they put in the Cash Shop, before they do any Cash Shop version. Additional objections are just repeating myself.

Mr_Walker

Raideen wrote: »

Yes, it is absolutely pay to win, much of the crown store is.

Only if you consider winning to be "looking fabulous!".

Kiralyn2000

No, and I don't have ESO+

Raideen wrote: »

People do not "win" in MMO's like they do in FPS, people win in MMO's in other ways, usually collecting. But PTW is anytime money can be exchanged for a good or service that gives that player an advantage over one who is playing the game to acquire the same good or service.

I first learned about "p2w" in MMOs, a decade+ ago. And it was all about the same things it is in FPS's - getting something stronger/better that can only be gotten for $. Allowing you to beat other players. Nearly every p2w MMO was pvp-centric, especially open world pvp and/or free-for-all. Better gear & mounts that can only be gotten for $, 'insurance' consumables to keep you from losing your better gear, enhancement consumables to allow you to enchant your gear to +12 (1% chance of success otherwise, with the gear risking destruction on a fail), automatic healing & mana potions, etc.

One Aeria game I tried was even crazier - they had monthly "spender" contests where you got bonus prizes for spending a lot in a single month. With prizes like "spend $1000, and get to ask a GM for a personal favor!"


That's "pay to win" in MMOs.


Not minor speedups or conveniences, that aren't even needed.

tplink3r1

No, and I have ESO+

Being able to sell crown items for gold is P2W, this isn't.