Do you consider the new pet p2w

Nordic__Knights

Yes, and I have ESO+

preevious wrote: »

Not pay to win, but maybe a bit unsensitive, yes.
Anyway, if you have inventory problems, 5 slots are not going to change your life.

P2W would be increasing sustain, damage, resistance, or gold gained.

90 slots to hold more items to sale or hold mats for upgrade/ pots/ food making seems an gold gain to me

Franckh

No, and I have ESO+

it is not "P2W" but rather pay for more comfort, in no case it is question of power

Danikat

As other people have said it's not pay to win because you don't win anything by having 5 extra inventory slots on each character. But it is a step in that direction, along with things like being able to buy skill lines and skyshards in the crown store. Yes you can only buy them for alts once you've already got them, but it's still moving in that direction, and could be a sign of testing the waters before adding more direct advantages to the crown store.

As with any purchase you don't approve of the best thing you can do is not buy it. It's a tricky situation if someone likes how the pet looks but doesn't approve of the extra inventory slots being included, but they'll have to decide for themselves how to handle that.

Nordic__Knights

Yes, and I have ESO+

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

The boar is giftable that means that 360k gold is the regular price of the new pet. Don't tell me you are not capable of making 360k gold. Just by doing daily writts on all characters every day will grant you that in a week.

At the end of the day someone had to put money real life money into the store in order to sell those crowns or the pet as a gift for in-game gold

Nordic__Knights

Yes, and I have ESO+

Franckystationb16_ESO wrote: »

it is not "P2W" but rather pay for more comfort, in no case it is question of power

90 added slots gives the trade part of game BIG POWER GAINS

Xarc

No, and I have ESO+

When an advantage given only with crown(real money) makes it easier to kill someone, it's p2w. Otherwise, it's not.

Gadamlub14_ESO

Yes, and I have ESO+

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Please explain how 5 extra inventory slots is P2W.

How do you cook a frog?

Slowly boil it. Its a sign of things to come as they slowly work their way towards less cosmetics. Much in the same way Fallout 76 was totally only going to have cosmetics for Real life money.

oh wait.

Nordic__Knights

Yes, and I have ESO+

Xarcus wrote: »

When an advantage given only with crown(real money) makes it easier to kill someone, it's p2w. Otherwise, it's not.

If combat was the only aspects of this game you would be right but being there is contests ( that ZOS has supported with items given to winners ) for housing being that there is a trade market you are wrong

Asardes

No, and I have ESO+

It's pay for convenience. You don't actually "win" anything. The pets don't make your character stronger in combat or give it a big advantage in other areas. If, for example, the pet actually increased your damage done by 5% it would be pay to win. I'm actually glad they added a crown store item with some utility at a reasonable price since I usually don't buy fluff.

Xarc

No, and I have ESO+

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

When an advantage given only with crown(real money) makes it easier to kill someone, it's p2w. Otherwise, it's not.

If combat was the only aspects of this game you would be right but being there is contests ( that ZOS has supported with items given to winners ) for housing being that there is a trade market you are wrong

there is no leaderboard for housing and craft or other, and having more space in inventory doesnt make you build a better house or gear

Rykoth

No, and I have ESO+

Does it give you an advantage over another player? No? Stop with this conspiracy nonsense about P2W.

onemoredragon

No, and I don't have ESO+

Not P2W but Pay for Convenience, which I personally perceive just as negative.

Edit for clarification: a product with "inconveniences" that allows purchasing of "conveniences" doesn't sound like a great product to me.

Olauron

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

Buying anything that gives an advantage over anyone who doesn't buy something that betters you in any aspect of the game

Seems like Hubalajad's Final Treasure Furnishing Pack is P2W since it gives an advantage of Hubalajad's Reflection to a housing endgamer that is not obtainable from other sources.

wild_kmacdb16_ESO

No, and I have ESO+

No but it's setting a dangerous precedent. Any sort of permanent upgrade, whatever it may be, should be obtainable through gameplay. If that answer is supposed to be trading gold to a crown seller, its not good enough as it opens players up to scams on either side of the deal.

Nordic__Knights

Yes, and I have ESO+

Xarcus wrote: »

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

When an advantage given only with crown(real money) makes it easier to kill someone, it's p2w. Otherwise, it's not.

If combat was the only aspects of this game you would be right but being there is contests ( that ZOS has supported with items given to winners ) for housing being that there is a trade market you are wrong

there is no leaderboard for housing and craft or other, and having more space in inventory doesnt make you build a better house or gear

Ya the housing awards are 100xs better then gold trash you get from leaderboads award and just space means you can hold extra materials for crafting gear/pots/foods for use or sale and the more slots the more items you can pick up to sale in store or to vendor for gold guess you dont play the game because anyone who dose can say this is VERY TRUE so again 90 slots is ab BIG ADVANTAGE

Nordic__Knights

Yes, and I have ESO+

Olauron wrote: »

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

Buying anything that gives an advantage over anyone who doesn't buy something that betters you in any aspect of the game

Seems like Hubalajad's Final Treasure Furnishing Pack is P2W since it gives an advantage of Hubalajad's Reflection to a housing endgamer that is not obtainable from other sources.

IT IS IN THE HOUSING END OF THE GAME SINCE ZOS HAS NOW STARTED SUPPORTING CONTEST WITH AWARDS FOR WINNING THEM

ozm8ey

Do you have to have the pet equipped in order to have the extra 5 slots?

Nordic__Knights

Yes, and I have ESO+

ozm8ey wrote: »

Do you have to have the pet equipped in order to have the extra 5 slots?

NO

EmEm_Oh

P2W = 5 Bag Inventory Slots OP.

Lololol.

Please NERF forums.

ValueDrift

Yes, and I have ESO+

Simple question. Is extra inventory space purely cosmetic, or is it an advantage?

O_LYKOS

No, and I have ESO+

is more inventory slots "winning"?

RogueShark

No, and I have ESO+

Idk why people are foaming at the mouth over a five inventory slot pet when ESO+ has a craft bag. Craft bag is way more impactful if you're someone who thinks convenience is p2w (which makes banker and merchant also p2w).

Maxx7410

No, and I have ESO+

o nooo i would be killed by him and his huge inventory!!!!!!!!!!

yRaven

No, and I don't have ESO+

No, but i would buy if it add something like 10% more gold

srfrogg23

No, and I have ESO+

No, but it is them dipping their toe into the pool to get a feel for the water. I am not ok with the game going down that road, not at all.

People who are ok with this are voting for more of it. Trust me, the people in the sales department don't see you as gamers, they see you as nerds with credit cards. They're just going to keep inching their way closer to P2W if this is successful.

heaven13

RogueShark wrote: »

Idk why people are foaming at the mouth over a five inventory slot pet when ESO+ has a craft bag. Craft bag is way more impactful if you're someone who thinks convenience is p2w (which makes banker and merchant also p2w).

Bankers and merchants are available all throughout Tamriel. These extra 5 inventory slots are Crown exclusive. There is literally no other way to obtain them than by purchasing with crowns (either your own or someone else's through use of crown gifting).

DocFrost72

It needs an in game (BASE game, not locked behind expac or dlc) equivalent and it's fine. As it is right now, it's just a red flag.

I hear a lot of people use the frog in the pot analogy. This frog has a thermometer. Once we see anything give a combat buff exclusive to the crown store, I unsubscribe. I stop buying crowns. Period. End of sentence. 30°C is enough for me.

svartorn

No, and I have ESO+

No.

If you consider 5 new slots (out of 200) to be paying in to win, I think you're probably beyond hope.

starkerealm

It's not P2W on its own, but it is walking a very fine line into P2W territory.

Iluvrien

No, and I have ESO+

No.

But as ZOS has shown us in the past... every time they test the waters and the playerbase doesn't react, then we will get more of this. And it will be worse.

See: Motifs, skyshards, skill lines, etc.