Do you consider the new pet p2w

Ozby

No, and I have ESO+

Oh for the love of...... it is seriously getting ridiculous now with everything being accused of being P2W.

Oh look at me, I'm a winner I have 5 more inventory slots than you Lol! get over it.

Franckh

No, and I have ESO+

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

The boar is giftable that means that 360k gold is the regular price of the new pet. Don't tell me you are not capable of making 360k gold. Just by doing daily writts on all characters every day will grant you that in a week.

At the end of the day someone had to put money real life money into the store in order to sell those crowns or the pet as a gift for in-game gold

when a game offers you in store the most powerful weapon of a game or an armor or an instant exp we talk about P2W, there is the inventory, moreover in most MMO online slots inventory can be bought in store, there is no question of "P2W" review your definitions and the meaning of the sentences

Elsonso

IDK/Prefer not to answer

Franckystationb16_ESO wrote: »

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

The boar is giftable that means that 360k gold is the regular price of the new pet. Don't tell me you are not capable of making 360k gold. Just by doing daily writts on all characters every day will grant you that in a week.

At the end of the day someone had to put money real life money into the store in order to sell those crowns or the pet as a gift for in-game gold

when a game offers you in store the most powerful weapon of a game or an armor or an instant exp we talk about P2W, there is the inventory, moreover in most MMO online slots inventory can be bought in store, there is no question of "P2W" review your definitions and the meaning of the sentences

As has been pointed out, 'winning' in this game involves the collection of cosmetics.

Cirantille

I have paid for ESO+ (cancelled but there are still months)

I dont think it is P2W (YET!)

But I have a feeling that it is a slow transition

I wouldn't be surprised if you see mounts adding 25 slots, extra weapon damage etc

If you boil the frog slowly................

DaveMoeDee

No, and I have ESO+

Vlad9425 wrote: »

It's not strictly P2W but it's the beginning of the journey towards it. ZOS will see the acceptance of this and will put more and more things in the Crown Store which give the player some kind of advantage in the future no doubt.

People claim this non-stop but it down't reflect reality. They still haven't added things that impact combat. This isn't a continuum. There is a clear line. Add a crown consumable that adds more stats than in=game consumables, p2w. Add BOP weapons that are hard to acquire in-game, P2W. Add more powerful gear in crown store, P2W.

One place that could end up gray is potions if certain mats are rare enough. If most people can get a certain combination of buffs because there just isn't enough of a certain mat in the game but people who spend money can keep those buffs up all the time, that would be a questionable situation.

But if you are placing inventory in this category, ESO+ would already be P2W.

thorwyn

Of course it is p2w.
You can now carry 205* 200 health potions
Think about it...it's 41000 potions!

Kagukan

No, and I have ESO+

Not even close.

Reverb

No, and I don't have ESO+

Yes it’s p2w. It’s amazing really. As soon as I bought the pig all of my toons were Emperor and Grand Overlord. I was able to carry any group through vet, hm, no death trials. In fact when I joined a hm trial group last night the crown was asking me to link my gear and achievements. The only valid reply was “bruh I don’t need to do that. I got the pig”. And to no one’s surprise I clocked 90% of the group dps and was able to ignore all mechanics.

Just look at the leaderboards. All of the top scores are because they have the pig! I heard that someone on EU was able to solo vCR+3 with the pig buff, and that Hodor will stop running groups and focus on solo clears.

All hail the p2w pig!!!

/s

vibeborn

No, and I have ESO+

I don't think 5 extra slots counts as p2w
Then the crafting bag would be classified as such too

Luthid

No, and I have ESO+

I bought the boar. I didn’t win anything. Am I doing it wrong?

A_Silverius

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Please explain how 5 extra inventory slots is P2W.

Few months down the line - "Please explain how 20 extra inventory slots is P2W"
One year later and 50+ pets x 5 slots - ???!!!

Inaya

No, and I have ESO+

What am I winning? Does the pig enter me in contests or raffles or sweepstakes? That's one smart pig!

Dusk_Coven

No, and I don't have ESO+

ValueDrift wrote: »

I've also seen the complaint of BGs before, though that did take more time to rise up since it wasn't immediately obvious to most of us, who rarely if ever play under 50 BGs.

LOL
Especially since more people are unconvinced the inventory pig is even p2w.
SMH

Kahnak

No, and I have ESO+

A_Silverius wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Please explain how 5 extra inventory slots is P2W.

Few months down the line - "Please explain how 20 extra inventory slots is P2W"
One year later and 50+ pets x 5 slots - ???!!!

A string of hypothetical situations is not an explanation for how 5 extra inventory slots is P2W and is not particularly compelling.

JPS

p2w.. that means play 2 whine.. right?

Sarannah

No, and I have ESO+

ZOS should simply double inventory space. But they shouldn't do it through pets, though it is not pay-to-win it does not really scream fair-play either. There are too many collectibles and things to keep(per DLC) for them to keep the inventory this small, so them trying new ways to increase it is good.

What I would love to see is when you complete a DLC main storyline, you get +50 inventory slots per character account-wide. So +50 per DLC completed. Meaning the more DLC you play, the better your inventory becomes. And gives some extra incentive to buy and play DLC. Non buyers and subscribers would be able to get these slots on events or promotions where DLC is freely accessible. Also seems like a nice ESO+ perk in my eyes.
And it wouldn't be unfair or pay-to-win because everyone would be able to get it, but non-buyers would have to wait for an event to unlock those inventory slots.

Question, do we need to have the boar active to get the 5 extra slots? ... Or can it just be bought and all my chars have 5 extra base inventory slots? ... As I always select my pets based on character looks and mount looks combo, and that thing is ugly. Edit: apparently the answer was in another thread: it is 5 slots account wide per character(unless I am mistaken).

ZarkingFrued

No, and I don't have ESO+

Why would it be relevant if someone has eso plus? How is 5 inventory slots p2w? What kind of Tom foolery is this?

tim99

preevious wrote: »

Not pay to win, but maybe a bit unsensitive, yes.
Anyway, if you have inventory problems, 5 slots are not going to change your life.

P2W would be increasing sustain, damage, resistance, or gold gained.

if you say "gold gained", than we are already at max p2w. with crown items gifting you can buy unlimited gold.

Hotel6

No, and I don't have ESO+

Not really,cause it's a really small amount. But this is how it begins. (no eso+)

Hotel6

No, and I don't have ESO+

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

I think its more of a joke than anything. Like players want more inventory space and they only give us 5 slots.

Over all though zos is definitely getting a little pay to win or testing the waters to see what they can get away with.

Gifting for gold, totally pay to win. I dont care what anyone says on this. From a game play perspective it is no different from gold buying. If you have money irl you have money in game and much much faster than if you are trying to make gold through the game. That is HUGE, if you have gold you can always afford to get carried for the latest gear while other players of the same skill level are stuck with what they can get. Ya you can buy carries though gold you earn in game too but at least that requires doing something in game. Never mind being able to buy mats, sets, furniture plans, motifs recipes. WITH NO WORK REQUIRED IN GAME

If zos wants to tell me this isnt pay to win, give me 1000$ worth of crowns, eso plus for 3 months , ever chapter on a new account, by the time the eso plus runs out I will be 810, master crafter with ever available motif learned, with gold bis gear, with every vet trial skin and end it with more gold than I have on my main account now. with former emp

Speaking of motif, also pay 2 win. Became p2w the SECOND motifs were tied to master writs.

Skill lines might not be p2w but they definitely arnt a benefit to the game. Ill admit im slightly hypocritical here because i do want a boost to 50 available if youve leveled like 10 characters to 50. I justify that because I dont think they can make that grind fun anymore. Skill lines though are an excellent way to not improve areas of the game that arnt fun. They are NEVER going to go back and make psijic less of a terrible quest line to lvl, never doing to make mages guild fun or even give us the map markers for consoles, consoles are never seeing skyshard markers either, there never gunna go back and tweak or add more missions to db or tg dailies. All of those were opportunities to improve the game that they have no reason to do now and have incentive NOT to do.

I actually think gifting is the greatest feature. I don't waste real money on the game and still get what i want with ingame currency. beisdes,you can't buy BIS gear with gold/crowns (trial gear).

whitecrow

No, and I have ESO+

It's only five slots. I think it would actually be pretty silly to buy it for that reason.

Rexy18

Yes, and I have ESO+

My DPS went up since I bought it and I find it easier to kill people in PvP now.

Gleitfrosch

idk wrote: »

Corspa wrote: »

People do not "win" in MMO's like they do in FPS, people win in MMO's in other ways, usually collecting. s

Not really. PvP, I kill you I win. You kill me you win. Then we have competitive PvE leaderboards.

That is where the win in Pay to Win comes from. Not collecting trivial items.

Ehm, i did not wrote this.
just to clarify, I define P2W exactly as you.

Kiralyn2000

No, and I don't have ESO+

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

What part aren't we being honest about? I dont care about p2w personally, but I find it's the people that claim it isnt p2w that constantly have to shift definitions and change things.

But it's the people arguing that it is p2w that are shifting definitions.

Those of us who think p2w is stuff that makes you stronger in combat, that can only be gotten for cash - have been consistent in that belief for the last 10+ years. It's the modern folks who keep trying to change the def, to make it wider & wider, covering everything from DLC to cosmetics.

Rave the Histborn

Yes, and I have ESO+

starkerealm wrote: »

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

What part aren't we being honest about? I dont care about p2w personally, but I find it's the people that claim it isnt p2w that constantly have to shift definitions and change things.

Probably because there's different, "tiers," of P2W.

• Selling minor combat advantages that could tip the balance between two comparable players.
• Selling major advantages that will dominate combat, and require significant skill to overcome.
• Selling advantages that provide a direct tactical advantage, but don't simply modify stats or damage. (XP and loot accelerators can be examples of this, depending on the game.) (This can also include overtuned, "sidegrades.")
• Paywalled "ceilings," that can only be circumvented by spending money.

There's also incidents where people will take purely cosmetic items, and claim those are P2W, simply because they want them, and think they should be available for free.

So, this isn't even people moving the goalposts on you, it's just, there's more than one kind of P2W, and depending who's speaking, determines on what variety you encounter.

Probably because there's different, "tiers," of P2W.

Ok so, we can't call the pay to win product pay to win because it is pay to win but not the "correct tier"of pay to win? No.Pay to win is pay to win is pay to win.. It even meets the first in your list of "minor combat advantages". It is pay to win. I'm not mad about it, spend your money how you want, but call it what it is.

"So, this isn't even people moving the goalposts on you, it's just, there's more than one kind of P2W, and depending who's speaking, determines on what variety you encounter."

You're moving the goal post of pay to win to have to meet certain predetermined and approved (by you) requirements and that's not how this works. Pay to win can be defined as paying for an advantage over players that aren't paying. This easily fits all of your listed requirements into one apt and simplified definition.

Kittytravel

No, and I have ESO+

It's not pay to win HOWEVER.
The game is already extremely dependent on ESO+ to play for many people due to inventory constraints; this pet just leads further into that potential.
At this prospective pet I would just expect to see the in-game restriction of 160 inventory slots for gold stay and the cap be raised to 300 if you buy inventory slots via crown store only sources.

I'd rather see them actually just add a free "Style Stone" section of inventory for all players just to fix that silly problem; and I'm ESO+ if you didn't look at my vote. So I don't actually care about the material inventory issues currently I just know they exist and the style stones are one of the worst things to go through cleaning out constantly without craft bag.

ck37090

No, and I have ESO+

Doesn't just having ESO+give you more storage? (Actual space and a crafting bag)...I would actually like to see more storage added in this way... Their customer service and the covienance ESO+ gives are the reasons I subscribe... They SHOULD have more of this

Rave the Histborn

Yes, and I have ESO+

Franckystationb16_ESO wrote: »

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

The boar is giftable that means that 360k gold is the regular price of the new pet. Don't tell me you are not capable of making 360k gold. Just by doing daily writts on all characters every day will grant you that in a week.

At the end of the day someone had to put money real life money into the store in order to sell those crowns or the pet as a gift for in-game gold

when a game offers you in store the most powerful weapon of a game or an armor or an instant exp we talk about P2W, there is the inventory, moreover in most MMO online slots inventory can be bought in store, there is no question of "P2W" review your definitions and the meaning of the sentences

Pay to win means paying for an advantage, not paying for a single player style weapon that one shots all enemies.

FinneganFroth

No, and I have ESO+

Pay for convenience and pay to win are not synonymous people...

svartorn

No, and I have ESO+

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

Franckystationb16_ESO wrote: »

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

The boar is giftable that means that 360k gold is the regular price of the new pet. Don't tell me you are not capable of making 360k gold. Just by doing daily writts on all characters every day will grant you that in a week.

At the end of the day someone had to put money real life money into the store in order to sell those crowns or the pet as a gift for in-game gold

when a game offers you in store the most powerful weapon of a game or an armor or an instant exp we talk about P2W, there is the inventory, moreover in most MMO online slots inventory can be bought in store, there is no question of "P2W" review your definitions and the meaning of the sentences

Pay to win means paying for an advantage, not paying for a single player style weapon that one shots all enemies.

No.

Pay to win means pay to win.