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The "Balance" of Mag Sorcs
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Not really. I have played in hosted GvGvG in battlegrounds and it was literally a requirement every team had at least one magsorc, because else it would be unfair. A well played magsorc can 'carry' an entire team by playing smart with his executes. And don't even get me started on a 4 sorc premade. That had to be the most cancerous and imbalanced BG I ever played in.
@Ragnaroek93 tell em how magica utterly dominates stamina plox.That's common knowledge, a magsorc with everything allowed is unbeatable 1v1.
That´s why nobody duels with "everything" allowed? Why would you even make a point around a scenario that has no relevance because the builds are unplayable in bgs or cyrodiil and nobody duels them except on pts each cycle to scream sorc op.
Thank you, that only strengthens my point. They need to regulate dueling otherwise magsorcs would win every tournament...
In what way is that point relevant on the topic of magsorc outside of dueling though?
You're trying to say magsorcs are not strong in open world and bgs, especially deathmatch? Last i checked they're widely considered the best 1vx class in the game. If you have any doubt about it, just watch faso. He regularly takes on 10+ players, even 15+ at times. They also dominate bgs because they're the #1 kill stealing class, and have the best mobility.
So again, they're the best class in every aspect of pvp. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.
Ok its fair to say that you lost everyone when you said 1v15 and best BG class cause they steal kills.
Overall it is just a horribly designed class. Its a 1 trick pony class and the way their mechanics are designed works very well for them right now, but nerf it too much and they won't have enough burst to finish people off, or won't be able to stay alive well enough. Same thing with magblades when they increased minimum travel time of the merciless proc. If you ask me the whole class just needs redesigned, but thats never gonna happen.Edited by Koensol on June 25, 2019 5:56AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ok but negate is probably the most important ult (or at least it was until necro) for medium scale and large scale organized PvP
Not objecting that. Still it´s the only reason to bring sorcs because everything else is performed better by other classes. Which was kinda my point.<Noricum>
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✭I don't know what's your definition of medium scales, but today stamina is dominating in the hand of every half decent player and higher when it comes to group smaller than a bombsquad.
Groups around 2-8 are mostly stamden and stamdk + other stams with sometimes a healbot.
Thanks to the AoE heal part of vigor overperforming in group, when stam builds play togever they have passively 1k HoT from each friend just refreshing the skill.
6 stam player playing togever is 6K healing per second for everyone on top of self healing.
I wish each time I shield I would give a 1k shield every second to my friends....
Sorc defense is mostly single target and offense too, thats why they are not good in non zerg/bombsquad groups.
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✭I don't know what's your definition of medium scales, but today stamina is dominating in the hand of every half decent player and higher when it comes to group smaller than a bombsquad.
Groups around 2-8 are mostly stamden and stamdk + other stams with sometimes a healbot.
Thanks to the AoE heal part of vigor overperforming in group, when stam builds play togever they have passively 1k HoT from each friend just refreshing the skill.
6 stam player playing togever is 6K healing per second for everyone on top of self healing.
I wish each time I shield I would give a 1k shield every second to my friends....
Sorc defense is mostly single target and offense too, thats why they are not good in non zerg/bombsquad groups.
Also good luck to Negate stam smallscale.
Yup I agree. Stamina Dominance is very telling in Cyrodiil and BGs. It's sickening that ZOS allowed for one spec to dominate so strongly for so long.
Yet people dare to fix their mouths to ask for nerfs to a inferior spec, which is all Magicka based playstyles.
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WoppaBoem✭✭✭✭✭I don't know what's your definition of medium scales, but today stamina is dominating in the hand of every half decent player and higher when it comes to group smaller than a bombsquad.
Groups around 2-8 are mostly stamden and stamdk + other stams with sometimes a healbot.
Thanks to the AoE heal part of vigor overperforming in group, when stam builds play togever they have passively 1k HoT from each friend just refreshing the skill.
6 stam player playing togever is 6K healing per second for everyone on top of self healing.
I wish each time I shield I would give a 1k shield every second to my friends....
Sorc defense is mostly single target and offense too, thats why they are not good in non zerg/bombsquad groups.
Also good luck to Negate stam smallscale.
Vigor can be applied twice. 1 by yourself and 1 the AoE of someone else. You cannot have 6 vigors active.Xbox EU & NA - PVP Only5 -
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I’m not exactly part of the “sorcs are super OP team” but I feel like you aren’t really thinking about the arguments you make before you make them.
“Yeah sorcs arent OP they just do the single most important thing and if they didn’t have that thing that makes them OP we’d bring other classes who are better in ways that aren’t nearly as important”
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I’m not exactly part of the “sorcs are super OP team” but I feel like you aren’t really thinking about the arguments you make before you make them.
“Yeah sorcs arent OP they just do the single most important thing and if they didn’t have that thing that makes them OP we’d bring other classes who are better in ways that aren’t nearly as important”
Yup.
Oh but why would someone bring a magsorc for that single most important thing we´re talking about - and this is a magsorc topic after all...
I don´t really feel going into the discussion anymore as it´s basically history repeating itself. Sorc OP bc it´s a negate bot is sth people were arguing in 2014 about
Edited by Derra on June 25, 2019 12:44PM<Noricum>
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Not really. I have played in hosted GvGvG in battlegrounds and it was literally a requirement every team had at least one magsorc, because else it would be unfair. A well played magsorc can 'carry' an entire team by playing smart with his executes. And don't even get me started on a 4 sorc premade. That had to be the most cancerous and imbalanced BG I ever played in.
@Ragnaroek93 tell em how magica utterly dominates stamina plox.That's common knowledge, a magsorc with everything allowed is unbeatable 1v1.
That´s why nobody duels with "everything" allowed? Why would you even make a point around a scenario that has no relevance because the builds are unplayable in bgs or cyrodiil and nobody duels them except on pts each cycle to scream sorc op.
Thank you, that only strengthens my point. They need to regulate dueling otherwise magsorcs would win every tournament...
In what way is that point relevant on the topic of magsorc outside of dueling though?
You're trying to say magsorcs are not strong in open world and bgs, especially deathmatch? Last i checked they're widely considered the best 1vx class in the game. If you have any doubt about it, just watch faso. He regularly takes on 10+ players, even 15+ at times. They also dominate bgs because they're the #1 kill stealing class, and have the best mobility.
So again, they're the best class in every aspect of pvp. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.
Ok its fair to say that you lost everyone when you said 1v15 and best BG class cause they steal kills.
Overall it is just a horribly designed class. Its a 1 trick pony class and the way their mechanics are designed works very well for them right now, but nerf it too much and they won't have enough burst to finish people off, or won't be able to stay alive well enough. Same thing with magblades when they increased minimum travel time of the merciless proc. If you ask me the whole class just needs redesigned, but thats never gonna happen.
I agree that right now the class is horribly designed but how exactly is this relevant to sorcs being able to 1v15 or being the best bg class because they steal kills.0 -
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✭✭Talking about magsorcs, you can't spell magsorc without orc. Master class, master race. Coincidence? I think not!
I think that wraps up any sort of argument about sorcs not being OP. Check mate fellers!"I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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Vigor can be applied twice. 1 by yourself and 1 the AoE of someone else. You cannot have 6 vigors active.
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The OLD cap was at 3 vigors of each type that could stack.
They abolished the cap at some point in the past, though.Hauptmann der Dolche des Königs
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Sure about that? I think I have never seen more than one Vigor HoT active at a time on my character.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -0 -
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✭Seraphayel wrote: »
Sure about that? I think I have never seen more than one Vigor HoT active at a time on my character.
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Well I never really meant to say anything about the 1v15, but mainly hinted at the BGs comment. And tbh, the fact that they steal kills makes them a very important part of the team, because kb's get you the win in the end. On top of that they have the best mobility in game, which is invaluable in BGs where movement is very important. Every time I saw a sorc premade in BGs they would be chased once or twice, then ignored because it is folly to even try and waste resources. Then when remaining teams engage the sorc will stack curse + executes from range, and capitalize on the killing blows. It is such a *** class in BGs man.
Not really. I have played in hosted GvGvG in battlegrounds and it was literally a requirement every team had at least one magsorc, because else it would be unfair. A well played magsorc can 'carry' an entire team by playing smart with his executes. And don't even get me started on a 4 sorc premade. That had to be the most cancerous and imbalanced BG I ever played in.
@Ragnaroek93 tell em how magica utterly dominates stamina plox.That's common knowledge, a magsorc with everything allowed is unbeatable 1v1.
That´s why nobody duels with "everything" allowed? Why would you even make a point around a scenario that has no relevance because the builds are unplayable in bgs or cyrodiil and nobody duels them except on pts each cycle to scream sorc op.
Thank you, that only strengthens my point. They need to regulate dueling otherwise magsorcs would win every tournament...
In what way is that point relevant on the topic of magsorc outside of dueling though?
You're trying to say magsorcs are not strong in open world and bgs, especially deathmatch? Last i checked they're widely considered the best 1vx class in the game. If you have any doubt about it, just watch faso. He regularly takes on 10+ players, even 15+ at times. They also dominate bgs because they're the #1 kill stealing class, and have the best mobility.
So again, they're the best class in every aspect of pvp. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.
Ok its fair to say that you lost everyone when you said 1v15 and best BG class cause they steal kills.
Overall it is just a horribly designed class. Its a 1 trick pony class and the way their mechanics are designed works very well for them right now, but nerf it too much and they won't have enough burst to finish people off, or won't be able to stay alive well enough. Same thing with magblades when they increased minimum travel time of the merciless proc. If you ask me the whole class just needs redesigned, but thats never gonna happen.
I agree that right now the class is horribly designed but how exactly is this relevant to sorcs being able to 1v15 or being the best bg class because they steal kills.3 -
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✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »
Sure about that? I think I have never seen more than one Vigor HoT active at a time on my character.
Everyone and their mother knows you can stack vigor. The hot isn't put on you, it's on whoever uses Vigor. It heals by proximity, if you're close to them you get healed.
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Well I never really meant to say anything about the 1v15, but mainly hinted at the BGs comment. And tbh, the fact that they steal kills makes them a very important part of the team, because kb's get you the win in the end. On top of that they have the best mobility in game, which is invaluable in BGs where movement is very important. Every time I saw a sorc premade in BGs they would be chased once or twice, then ignored because it is folly to even try and waste resources. Then when remaining teams engage the sorc will stack curse + executes from range, and capitalize on the killing blows. It is such a *** class in BGs man.
Not really. I have played in hosted GvGvG in battlegrounds and it was literally a requirement every team had at least one magsorc, because else it would be unfair. A well played magsorc can 'carry' an entire team by playing smart with his executes. And don't even get me started on a 4 sorc premade. That had to be the most cancerous and imbalanced BG I ever played in.
@Ragnaroek93 tell em how magica utterly dominates stamina plox.That's common knowledge, a magsorc with everything allowed is unbeatable 1v1.
That´s why nobody duels with "everything" allowed? Why would you even make a point around a scenario that has no relevance because the builds are unplayable in bgs or cyrodiil and nobody duels them except on pts each cycle to scream sorc op.
Thank you, that only strengthens my point. They need to regulate dueling otherwise magsorcs would win every tournament...
In what way is that point relevant on the topic of magsorc outside of dueling though?
You're trying to say magsorcs are not strong in open world and bgs, especially deathmatch? Last i checked they're widely considered the best 1vx class in the game. If you have any doubt about it, just watch faso. He regularly takes on 10+ players, even 15+ at times. They also dominate bgs because they're the #1 kill stealing class, and have the best mobility.
So again, they're the best class in every aspect of pvp. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.
Ok its fair to say that you lost everyone when you said 1v15 and best BG class cause they steal kills.
Overall it is just a horribly designed class. Its a 1 trick pony class and the way their mechanics are designed works very well for them right now, but nerf it too much and they won't have enough burst to finish people off, or won't be able to stay alive well enough. Same thing with magblades when they increased minimum travel time of the merciless proc. If you ask me the whole class just needs redesigned, but thats never gonna happen.
I agree that right now the class is horribly designed but how exactly is this relevant to sorcs being able to 1v15 or being the best bg class because they steal kills.
Sure they steal kills and they can win the match just because of that. But that's an issue with BG scoring more than with the class. That was mostly my point.
I'm not arguing that it's not a good BG class and I'm not really gonna get into which class is the best for BGs cause everyone has a different version of which class is the best based on their own criteria.
Although I never really understood this whole sorc OP because they have the best mobility argument. It's supposed to be the class with the best mobility so it should be the most mobile. If anything their mobility is probably the only thing that is balanced with the class. It revolves around one skill which is one of the few left in the game that still promotes skilled gameplay.0 -
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✭✭I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.
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I disagree with the bolded. Sorc excells in many more aspects than streak, which I would hardly call skillful play. How I see "overpowered" being defined is when you compare it with other classes. A class can be seen as balanced when others are on the same level. But when a certain class performs better than others in most areas, they will be seen as overperforming. Whether the best way to go would be to nerf that class or buff others depends on the general level of power ZOS wants people to have. We cannot keep buffing underperforming classes and never dishing out some nerfs, or the power creep would make the game insanely imbalanced in the end.
Well I never really meant to say anything about the 1v15, but mainly hinted at the BGs comment. And tbh, the fact that they steal kills makes them a very important part of the team, because kb's get you the win in the end. On top of that they have the best mobility in game, which is invaluable in BGs where movement is very important. Every time I saw a sorc premade in BGs they would be chased once or twice, then ignored because it is folly to even try and waste resources. Then when remaining teams engage the sorc will stack curse + executes from range, and capitalize on the killing blows. It is such a *** class in BGs man.
Not really. I have played in hosted GvGvG in battlegrounds and it was literally a requirement every team had at least one magsorc, because else it would be unfair. A well played magsorc can 'carry' an entire team by playing smart with his executes. And don't even get me started on a 4 sorc premade. That had to be the most cancerous and imbalanced BG I ever played in.
@Ragnaroek93 tell em how magica utterly dominates stamina plox.That's common knowledge, a magsorc with everything allowed is unbeatable 1v1.
That´s why nobody duels with "everything" allowed? Why would you even make a point around a scenario that has no relevance because the builds are unplayable in bgs or cyrodiil and nobody duels them except on pts each cycle to scream sorc op.
Thank you, that only strengthens my point. They need to regulate dueling otherwise magsorcs would win every tournament...
In what way is that point relevant on the topic of magsorc outside of dueling though?
You're trying to say magsorcs are not strong in open world and bgs, especially deathmatch? Last i checked they're widely considered the best 1vx class in the game. If you have any doubt about it, just watch faso. He regularly takes on 10+ players, even 15+ at times. They also dominate bgs because they're the #1 kill stealing class, and have the best mobility.
So again, they're the best class in every aspect of pvp. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.
Ok its fair to say that you lost everyone when you said 1v15 and best BG class cause they steal kills.
Overall it is just a horribly designed class. Its a 1 trick pony class and the way their mechanics are designed works very well for them right now, but nerf it too much and they won't have enough burst to finish people off, or won't be able to stay alive well enough. Same thing with magblades when they increased minimum travel time of the merciless proc. If you ask me the whole class just needs redesigned, but thats never gonna happen.
I agree that right now the class is horribly designed but how exactly is this relevant to sorcs being able to 1v15 or being the best bg class because they steal kills.
Sure they steal kills and they can win the match just because of that. But that's an issue with BG scoring more than with the class. That was mostly my point.
I'm not arguing that it's not a good BG class and I'm not really gonna get into which class is the best for BGs cause everyone has a different version of which class is the best based on their own criteria.
Although I never really understood this whole sorc OP because they have the best mobility argument. It's supposed to be the class with the best mobility so it should be the most mobile. If anything their mobility is probably the only thing that is balanced with the class. It revolves around one skill which is one of the few left in the game that still promotes skilled gameplay.
At this moment, sorc hasn't got many weaknesses when compared to other classes. They have mobility, high overall damage that is often unavoidable and easily applied with a bursty nature (if you add matriarch their sustained dmg is also strong), good survivability with a strong class shield that can be stacked with harness magicka, easy to sustain with dark conversion and due to a large magicka pool which synergizes so well with the class design and finally very good area denial with mines, attro and negate. The only thing they used to lack was healing but with the matriarch that is now fixed as well. But with the removal of hardcounters such as shieldbreaker (no complaints about that, it was broken) they don't even need it as much.
When you look at solo/small scale, sorc just doesn't seem to have many real glaring weaknesses when compared to most other classes. They have everything they need to survive in this scenario, with the freedom to pick their own battles. Only part where I see the class really suffer is with the one dimensional design and limited amount of viable playstyles. It really is a one trick pony class.Edited by Koensol on June 26, 2019 8:47AM5 -
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I disagree with the bolded. Sorc excells in many more aspects than streak, which I would hardly call skillful play. How I see "overpowered" being defined is when you compare it with other classes. A class can be seen as balanced when others are on the same level. But when a certain class performs better than others in most areas, they will be seen as overperforming. Whether the best way to go would be to nerf that class or buff others depends on the general level of power ZOS wants people to have. We cannot keep buffing underperforming classes and never dishing out some nerfs, or the power creep would make the game insanely imbalanced in the end.
Well I never really meant to say anything about the 1v15, but mainly hinted at the BGs comment. And tbh, the fact that they steal kills makes them a very important part of the team, because kb's get you the win in the end. On top of that they have the best mobility in game, which is invaluable in BGs where movement is very important. Every time I saw a sorc premade in BGs they would be chased once or twice, then ignored because it is folly to even try and waste resources. Then when remaining teams engage the sorc will stack curse + executes from range, and capitalize on the killing blows. It is such a *** class in BGs man.
Not really. I have played in hosted GvGvG in battlegrounds and it was literally a requirement every team had at least one magsorc, because else it would be unfair. A well played magsorc can 'carry' an entire team by playing smart with his executes. And don't even get me started on a 4 sorc premade. That had to be the most cancerous and imbalanced BG I ever played in.
@Ragnaroek93 tell em how magica utterly dominates stamina plox.That's common knowledge, a magsorc with everything allowed is unbeatable 1v1.
That´s why nobody duels with "everything" allowed? Why would you even make a point around a scenario that has no relevance because the builds are unplayable in bgs or cyrodiil and nobody duels them except on pts each cycle to scream sorc op.
Thank you, that only strengthens my point. They need to regulate dueling otherwise magsorcs would win every tournament...
In what way is that point relevant on the topic of magsorc outside of dueling though?
You're trying to say magsorcs are not strong in open world and bgs, especially deathmatch? Last i checked they're widely considered the best 1vx class in the game. If you have any doubt about it, just watch faso. He regularly takes on 10+ players, even 15+ at times. They also dominate bgs because they're the #1 kill stealing class, and have the best mobility.
So again, they're the best class in every aspect of pvp. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.
Ok its fair to say that you lost everyone when you said 1v15 and best BG class cause they steal kills.
Overall it is just a horribly designed class. Its a 1 trick pony class and the way their mechanics are designed works very well for them right now, but nerf it too much and they won't have enough burst to finish people off, or won't be able to stay alive well enough. Same thing with magblades when they increased minimum travel time of the merciless proc. If you ask me the whole class just needs redesigned, but thats never gonna happen.
I agree that right now the class is horribly designed but how exactly is this relevant to sorcs being able to 1v15 or being the best bg class because they steal kills.
Sure they steal kills and they can win the match just because of that. But that's an issue with BG scoring more than with the class. That was mostly my point.
I'm not arguing that it's not a good BG class and I'm not really gonna get into which class is the best for BGs cause everyone has a different version of which class is the best based on their own criteria.
Although I never really understood this whole sorc OP because they have the best mobility argument. It's supposed to be the class with the best mobility so it should be the most mobile. If anything their mobility is probably the only thing that is balanced with the class. It revolves around one skill which is one of the few left in the game that still promotes skilled gameplay.
At this moment, sorc hasn't got many weaknesses when compared to other classes. They have mobility, high overall damage that is often unavoidable and easily applied with a bursty nature (if you add matriarch their sustained dmg is also strong), good survivability with a strong class shield that can be stacked with harness magicka, easy to sustain with dark conversion and due to a large magicka pool which synergizes so well with the class design and finally very good area denial with mines, attro and negate. The only thing they used to lack was healing but with the matriarch that is now fixed as well. But with the removal of hardcounters such as shieldbreaker (no complaints about that, it was broken) they don't even need it as much.
When you look at solo/small scale, sorc just doesn't seem to have many real glaring weaknesses when compared to most other classes. They have everything they need to survive in this scenario, with the freedom to pick their own battles. Only part where I see the class really suffer is with the one dimensional design and limited amount of viable playstyles. It really is a one trick pony class.
Oh don't get me wrong. I never said that the class shouldn't be nerfed and I'm absolutely with you on the part about huge power creep and that u can't keep buffing everything although with the current iteration without softcaps I dont think that ZOS will ever achieve balance simply because without softcaps there are no limits to what people can do and there are too many variables which makes it almost impossible to achieve balance. Imo softcaps is the only way to go and then take it from there but whatever that's an entirely different discussion.
What I meant about sorc mobility is that it's the only thing that is balanced about the class. Not that the class is balanced. There mobility is the best because it should be the best and it's the best only when played right since streak does actually require a certain skill cap. Now the rest of the class however, well yeah that's when the issues begin.0 -
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✭Seraphayel wrote: »
Sure about that? I think I have never seen more than one Vigor HoT active at a time on my character.
Everyone and their mother knows you can stack vigor. The hot isn't put on you, it's on whoever uses Vigor. It heals by proximity, if you're close to them you get healed.
“Vigor stack” is a typical call out in small man even. I mean....0 -
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✭If you compare sorc with stamina offensive S&B fury + 7th (or kind of) + bloospawn bashtard *insert your class here*, they are not OP at all.
If you compare sorc with magnecro or magden, then sorc is better, like everything else in the game.
Saying sorc is performing better than everyone else is simply false. There is probably too much console player here. (I heard playing bash meta was hard to do on console, so it wasn't the standart there)1 -
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For 1v1 I agree that those specs, mainly stamdk imo, are on par with magsorc and are just as overperforming. Imo this is mainly to do with the overperforming carry called reverb bash and the overloaded heroic slash. But for solo play in open world magsorc is clearly the superior class, because they have all the necesary tools in order to kill, survive, and escape.If you compare sorc with stamina offensive S&B fury + 7th (or kind of) + bloospawn bashtard *insert your class here*, they are not OP at all.
If you compare sorc with magnecro or magden, then sorc is better, like everything else in the game.
Saying sorc is performing better than everyone else is simply false. There is probably too much console player here. (I heard playing bash meta was hard to do on console, so it wasn't the standart there)4 -
darkblue5✭✭✭✭✭Malamar1229 wrote: »How many forumblades miss the pre-health cap shields now lol?
The real reason for shield nerf was PVE. That's why it started as the cast time thing.
And Murkmire shields probably would be fine if mitigation in general wasn't over-performing RN.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Malamar1229 wrote: »How many forumblades miss the pre-health cap shields now lol?
The real reason for shield nerf was PVE. That's why it started as the cast time thing.
And Murkmire shields probably would be fine if mitigation in general wasn't over-performing RN.
its wasn't a nerf, it was a mechanic redesign to stop pve players from abusing their non-battlespirit powercreep that ended up buffing pvp lol.
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For 1v1 I agree that those specs, mainly stamdk imo, are on par with magsorc and are just as overperforming. Imo this is mainly to do with the overperforming carry called reverb bash and the overloaded heroic slash. But for solo play in open world magsorc is clearly the superior class, because they have all the necesary tools in order to kill, survive, and escape.If you compare sorc with stamina offensive S&B fury + 7th (or kind of) + bloospawn bashtard *insert your class here*, they are not OP at all.
If you compare sorc with magnecro or magden, then sorc is better, like everything else in the game.
Saying sorc is performing better than everyone else is simply false. There is probably too much console player here. (I heard playing bash meta was hard to do on console, so it wasn't the standart there)
Solo play open world mag sorcs will always be one of the best specs just like stamblades. And thats because solo play open world revolves around mobility and pug smashing with burst. This naturally fits the design of those classes and will naturally be among the top specs for that specific content. Different content requires different qualities and the class that is matching those qualities will naturally perform better than others. There is nothing wrong with that and thats not how you deem whether a specific class is overperforming.1 -
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✭✭I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKDrybeFYY
Any other stamina class played by a good player would finish the fight in the tower with dawnbreakers left right and centre. So yeah plenty of classes can do similar 1vX videos. Key word is good player. Knowing ur class and how to play it. You are showing Malcolm, he is one of the best sorcs in the game. If you actually believe that you can perform on the same lvl as him simply because of the class then by all means hop on a sorc and show us.4 -
Frozen_Heart246✭✭✭Being non pet sorc myself i can say that you are right about pets. This is so strong.. damage and heal are insane.
But if u play a non pet builds it's really hard to survive even 1v2 (if the people you fight against know what they are doing). But if u fight against a loosers sure u can fight 1vX. Any magDK or anyone can burst sorc down from 100% full health and ~23k shield to 10% health in a 5 sec.
Even if sorc will spam shield it wont help. If you cant brake it then it's l2p ussue or just a resist stacker (which is main issue of pvp for me: you can be tanky as hell and do insane amount of damage)
Yesterday i was fighting 1v1 with Grand Overlord stam DK about 20 MINUTES. And i just couldt burst him or finish cuz he always dodgeroll or heal form 10% to 100% of health cuz of heavy armor passive and full rally charge. This heavy armor sets and resist stacking so annoying these dys even magicka characters runs it now.
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