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The "Balance" of Mag Sorcs
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Not at all.
Magsorc is top tier for 1vXing, but a stamblade does it very well.
Best bg class ? No, sorcs aren't very good in group, the few ones in high MMR show it well.
Sorc in openworld or battleground will never win VS a good stambashDk. Balance is not about countering ur ennemy by changing gear, skills and CP in Bergama. Any real sorcerer build will struggle to fight that lovely fury 7th bloodspawn bash offensive S&B *insert your class here*
Sorc is not stronger than a stamina build with offensive bash S&B. Mobility is better, but tankiness while dealing damage is lower.4 -
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Not at all.
Magsorc is top tier for 1vXing, but a stamblade does it very well.
Best bg class ? No, sorcs aren't very good in group, the few ones in high MMR show it well.
Sorc in openworld or battleground will never win VS a good stambashDk. Balance is not about countering ur ennemy by changing gear, skills and CP in Bergama. Any real sorcerer build will struggle to fight that lovely fury 7th bloodspawn bash offensive S&B *insert your class here*
Sorc is not stronger than a stamina build with offensive bash S&B. Mobility is better, but tankiness while dealing damage is lower.
Did you seriously just type that? Stamdks haven't won any dueling tournament with decent players in ages. Mag classes win all of them, and sorcs don't win them because pets are banned. That's common knowledge, a magsorc with everything allowed is unbeatable 1v1.
Stamdk is a mediocre bg class. Nobody plays one at a high mmr because they bring absolutely nothing. Sorcs get the most kills in bgs, and kills win dm which is the only mode any respectable player cares about."I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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@Ragnaroek93 tell em how magica utterly dominates stamina plox.That's common knowledge, a magsorc with everything allowed is unbeatable 1v1.
That´s why nobody duels with "everything" allowed? Why would you even make a point around a scenario that has no relevance because the builds are unplayable in bgs or cyrodiil and nobody duels them except on pts each cycle to scream sorc op.Edited by Derra on June 24, 2019 1:19PM<Noricum>
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@Ragnaroek93 tell em how magica utterly dominates stamina plox.That's common knowledge, a magsorc with everything allowed is unbeatable 1v1.
That´s why nobody duels with "everything" allowed? Why would you even make a point around a scenario that has no relevance because the builds are unplayable in bgs or cyrodiil and nobody duels them except on pts each cycle to scream sorc op.
Thank you, that only strengthens my point. They need to regulate dueling otherwise magsorcs would win every tournament...
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Illuvatarr✭✭✭✭✭ShadowProc wrote: »I watched that too. That sorc is using something that is broken. I did some testing and I can’t come close to those numbers. He was literally one shotting him with heavy attack overload.
35+ points in staff expert, elegance set, power overload, lich, maelstrom staff.
Not hard to achieve. Great for groups.
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@Ragnaroek93 tell em how magica utterly dominates stamina plox.That's common knowledge, a magsorc with everything allowed is unbeatable 1v1.
That´s why nobody duels with "everything" allowed? Why would you even make a point around a scenario that has no relevance because the builds are unplayable in bgs or cyrodiil and nobody duels them except on pts each cycle to scream sorc op.
Thank you, that only strengthens my point. They need to regulate dueling otherwise magsorcs would win every tournament...
They regulate dueling rules for other builds as well (no meditate, no skelle pirate, no lingering pots etc). From my experience magicka can only compete by speccing into duel builds which lack other things for open world while heavy stamina can just play "complete" setups. I don't think that even petsorcs can break a brawler spec with skelle pirate, meditate and new linger pots right now (have to admit that the new linger pots are expensive tho so most people don't use them).I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.2 -
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@Ragnaroek93 tell em how magica utterly dominates stamina plox.That's common knowledge, a magsorc with everything allowed is unbeatable 1v1.
That´s why nobody duels with "everything" allowed? Why would you even make a point around a scenario that has no relevance because the builds are unplayable in bgs or cyrodiil and nobody duels them except on pts each cycle to scream sorc op.
Thank you, that only strengthens my point. They need to regulate dueling otherwise magsorcs would win every tournament...
They regulate dueling rules for other builds as well (no meditate, no skelle pirate, no lingering pots etc). From my experience magicka can only compete by speccing into duel builds which lack other things for open world while heavy stamina can just play "complete" setups. I don't think that even petsorcs can break a brawler spec with skelle pirate, meditate and new linger pots right now (have to admit that the new linger pots are expensive tho so most people don't use them).
The poison is cheaper, 10k for 16 is better than 10k for 4 lol.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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@Ragnaroek93 tell em how magica utterly dominates stamina plox.That's common knowledge, a magsorc with everything allowed is unbeatable 1v1.
That´s why nobody duels with "everything" allowed? Why would you even make a point around a scenario that has no relevance because the builds are unplayable in bgs or cyrodiil and nobody duels them except on pts each cycle to scream sorc op.
Thank you, that only strengthens my point. They need to regulate dueling otherwise magsorcs would win every tournament...
In what way is that point relevant on the topic of magsorc outside of dueling though?<Noricum>
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Icarus42✭✭✭Ok I am pretty sure after reading all these posts that most of the hostility is directed towards Pet Sorc. So can you please direct your anger specifically towards the pet users and leave us regular Mag Sorcs the heck out of this nerf mob please.
ZoS if you are looking at this nerf, petsorc not regsorc thank you.
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✭✭✭It's really just the pets. Everything about them is busted. You can't AOE them down anymore, they are nearly as tanky as the magsorc itself, and the bird is an unpurgeable master dw bleed.
But the worst part is how badly they interfere with single target abilities - Templar can lose so much damage out of there spammable which will be mitigated by 85% by the pets that it just gets hard countered.
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✭✭✭usmcjdking wrote: »It's really just the pets. Everything about them is busted. You can't AOE them down anymore, they are nearly as tanky as the magsorc itself, and the bird is an unpurgeable master dw bleed.
But the worst part is how badly they interfere with single target abilities - Templar can lose so much damage out of there spammable which will be mitigated by 85% by the pets that it just gets hard countered.
Don't forget how pets can be killed easily bu multiple opponents in 1vX and don't follow your (Streak) re-positioning smoothly. Pets are a bad idea for PvP, one way or another. Just give the burst heal back to Healing Ward, and things will settle down.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭usmcjdking wrote: »It's really just the pets. Everything about them is busted. You can't AOE them down anymore, they are nearly as tanky as the magsorc itself, and the bird is an unpurgeable master dw bleed.
But the worst part is how badly they interfere with single target abilities - Templar can lose so much damage out of there spammable which will be mitigated by 85% by the pets that it just gets hard countered.
You can either kill the Sorc or kill one of his pets... the same choice everyone else has to make including Sorcs. Templars got lazy and spoiled because they could kill everything at once with their spammable.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »usmcjdking wrote: »It's really just the pets. Everything about them is busted. You can't AOE them down anymore, they are nearly as tanky as the magsorc itself, and the bird is an unpurgeable master dw bleed.
But the worst part is how badly they interfere with single target abilities - Templar can lose so much damage out of there spammable which will be mitigated by 85% by the pets that it just gets hard countered.
You can either kill the Sorc or kill one of his pets... the same choice everyone else has to make including Sorcs. Templars got lazy and spoiled because they could kill everything at once with their spammable.
its funny because when you have a pet on you at 1m, all the sorc needs to do is move to 2m to take 170% less dmg from the templar.
Call me jaded, but those were some bad sorcs that died to jabs pre-elswere changes lol.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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@Ragnaroek93 tell em how magica utterly dominates stamina plox.That's common knowledge, a magsorc with everything allowed is unbeatable 1v1.
That´s why nobody duels with "everything" allowed? Why would you even make a point around a scenario that has no relevance because the builds are unplayable in bgs or cyrodiil and nobody duels them except on pts each cycle to scream sorc op.
Thank you, that only strengthens my point. They need to regulate dueling otherwise magsorcs would win every tournament...
In what way is that point relevant on the topic of magsorc outside of dueling though?
You're trying to say magsorcs are not strong in open world and bgs, especially deathmatch? Last i checked they're widely considered the best 1vx class in the game. If you have any doubt about it, just watch faso. He regularly takes on 10+ players, even 15+ at times. They also dominate bgs because they're the #1 kill stealing class, and have the best mobility.
So again, they're the best class in every aspect of pvp. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing."I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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ShadowProc✭✭✭✭✭deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »What’s the pet build people are using these days? My mag sorc has been in cold storage for a long while.
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✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »usmcjdking wrote: »It's really just the pets. Everything about them is busted. You can't AOE them down anymore, they are nearly as tanky as the magsorc itself, and the bird is an unpurgeable master dw bleed.
But the worst part is how badly they interfere with single target abilities - Templar can lose so much damage out of there spammable which will be mitigated by 85% by the pets that it just gets hard countered.
You can either kill the Sorc or kill one of his pets... the same choice everyone else has to make including Sorcs. Templars got lazy and spoiled because they could kill everything at once with their spammable.
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✭ShadowProc wrote: »deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »What’s the pet build people are using these days? My mag sorc has been in cold storage for a long while.
Pelicans for the most part.
Yeah that’s what I was thinking too. Originally I was gonna go with a pair of badgers but considering they don’t listen to well I don’t think they would increase DPS. Pelicans are loyal and can even increase your bag space with their huge beaks.
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@Ragnaroek93 tell em how magica utterly dominates stamina plox.That's common knowledge, a magsorc with everything allowed is unbeatable 1v1.
That´s why nobody duels with "everything" allowed? Why would you even make a point around a scenario that has no relevance because the builds are unplayable in bgs or cyrodiil and nobody duels them except on pts each cycle to scream sorc op.
Thank you, that only strengthens my point. They need to regulate dueling otherwise magsorcs would win every tournament...
No dummy, they regulate duelling so there are not broken stuff in it and its more fair. Targettable pets in general (not just sorc pets) are part of those broken stuff just like a lot of other things. Today is pets, tomorrow its going to be something else and it goes on. And just because pets is the most obvious thing to identify as broken in duelling it doesnt mean that its the only thing that is broken. They literally ban cheese from every tournament and the person winning it is still finding a way to cheese it. You dont want to know what monsters people will bring out if everything is allowed.
But whatever keep believing ur sad conspiracy theories that people got sick of sorcs and suddenly decided to regulate them so they dont win all the tournaments. Lmao.Edited by pieratsos on June 24, 2019 7:04PM0 -
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@Ragnaroek93 tell em how magica utterly dominates stamina plox.That's common knowledge, a magsorc with everything allowed is unbeatable 1v1.
That´s why nobody duels with "everything" allowed? Why would you even make a point around a scenario that has no relevance because the builds are unplayable in bgs or cyrodiil and nobody duels them except on pts each cycle to scream sorc op.
Thank you, that only strengthens my point. They need to regulate dueling otherwise magsorcs would win every tournament...
No dummy, they regulate duelling so there are not broken stuff in it and its more fair. Targettable pets in general (not just sorc pets) are part of those broken stuff just like a lot of other things.
Helping my argument again.
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@Ragnaroek93 tell em how magica utterly dominates stamina plox.That's common knowledge, a magsorc with everything allowed is unbeatable 1v1.
That´s why nobody duels with "everything" allowed? Why would you even make a point around a scenario that has no relevance because the builds are unplayable in bgs or cyrodiil and nobody duels them except on pts each cycle to scream sorc op.
Thank you, that only strengthens my point. They need to regulate dueling otherwise magsorcs would win every tournament...
In what way is that point relevant on the topic of magsorc outside of dueling though?
You're trying to say magsorcs are not strong in open world and bgs, especially deathmatch? Last i checked they're widely considered the best 1vx class in the game. If you have any doubt about it, just watch faso. He regularly takes on 10+ players, even 15+ at times. They also dominate bgs because they're the #1 kill stealing class, and have the best mobility.
So again, they're the best class in every aspect of pvp. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.
Ok its fair to say that you lost everyone when you said 1v15 and best BG class cause they steal kills.0 -
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@Ragnaroek93 tell em how magica utterly dominates stamina plox.That's common knowledge, a magsorc with everything allowed is unbeatable 1v1.
That´s why nobody duels with "everything" allowed? Why would you even make a point around a scenario that has no relevance because the builds are unplayable in bgs or cyrodiil and nobody duels them except on pts each cycle to scream sorc op.
Thank you, that only strengthens my point. They need to regulate dueling otherwise magsorcs would win every tournament...
In what way is that point relevant on the topic of magsorc outside of dueling though?
You're trying to say magsorcs are not strong in open world and bgs, especially deathmatch? Last i checked they're widely considered the best 1vx class in the game. If you have any doubt about it, just watch faso. He regularly takes on 10+ players, even 15+ at times. They also dominate bgs because they're the #1 kill stealing class, and have the best mobility.
So again, they're the best class in every aspect of pvp. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.
Ok its fair to say that you lost everyone when you said 1v15 and best BG class cause they steal kills.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAN6A0Q-rWKhJQnYZd3picA
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@Ragnaroek93 tell em how magica utterly dominates stamina plox.That's common knowledge, a magsorc with everything allowed is unbeatable 1v1.
That´s why nobody duels with "everything" allowed? Why would you even make a point around a scenario that has no relevance because the builds are unplayable in bgs or cyrodiil and nobody duels them except on pts each cycle to scream sorc op.
Thank you, that only strengthens my point. They need to regulate dueling otherwise magsorcs would win every tournament...
In what way is that point relevant on the topic of magsorc outside of dueling though?
You're trying to say magsorcs are not strong in open world and bgs, especially deathmatch? Last i checked they're widely considered the best 1vx class in the game. If you have any doubt about it, just watch faso. He regularly takes on 10+ players, even 15+ at times. They also dominate bgs because they're the #1 kill stealing class, and have the best mobility.
So again, they're the best class in every aspect of pvp. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.
Ok its fair to say that you lost everyone when you said 1v15 and best BG class cause they steal kills.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAN6A0Q-rWKhJQnYZd3picA
You're welcome.
I know who Faso is. Ive yet to see anything related to 1v15 however. If you dont understand 1vX then you should probably not talk about it to keep urself from spreading nonsense like 1v15 cause thats how you can quickly discredit urself from a conversation. You're welcome.Edited by pieratsos on June 24, 2019 7:28PM0 -
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@Ragnaroek93 tell em how magica utterly dominates stamina plox.That's common knowledge, a magsorc with everything allowed is unbeatable 1v1.
That´s why nobody duels with "everything" allowed? Why would you even make a point around a scenario that has no relevance because the builds are unplayable in bgs or cyrodiil and nobody duels them except on pts each cycle to scream sorc op.
Thank you, that only strengthens my point. They need to regulate dueling otherwise magsorcs would win every tournament...
No dummy, they regulate duelling so there are not broken stuff in it and its more fair. Targettable pets in general (not just sorc pets) are part of those broken stuff just like a lot of other things.
Helping my argument again.
Did you seriously cherry picked a part of what i said and took everything out of context to make ur point? Really? Lmao.Edited by pieratsos on June 24, 2019 8:43PM1 -
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@Ragnaroek93 tell em how magica utterly dominates stamina plox.That's common knowledge, a magsorc with everything allowed is unbeatable 1v1.
That´s why nobody duels with "everything" allowed? Why would you even make a point around a scenario that has no relevance because the builds are unplayable in bgs or cyrodiil and nobody duels them except on pts each cycle to scream sorc op.
Thank you, that only strengthens my point. They need to regulate dueling otherwise magsorcs would win every tournament...
In what way is that point relevant on the topic of magsorc outside of dueling though?
You're trying to say magsorcs are not strong in open world and bgs, especially deathmatch? Last i checked they're widely considered the best 1vx class in the game. If you have any doubt about it, just watch faso. He regularly takes on 10+ players, even 15+ at times. They also dominate bgs because they're the #1 kill stealing class, and have the best mobility.
So again, they're the best class in every aspect of pvp. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.
Would you mind showing me where i try to say magsorcs aren´t strong?
I strongly object the thought they´re the best class in every aspect of pvp though. The only thing i have to do to validate my opinion here is look at any form of grp pvp in cyrodiil - where sorc is a negate monkey (again).
I know who faso is and i do the things he does on his sorc on mine aswell. I do it also on my DK and i used to do it on my NB before the silly faction locks kept me from going to cyro.
I think most of what is perceived as overperforming about sorc though are essentially two abilities of which one isn´t even sorc specific. If you look at an earlier post of me in this topic that would be twilight and harness.Edited by Derra on June 24, 2019 9:00PM<Noricum>
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@Ragnaroek93 tell em how magica utterly dominates stamina plox.That's common knowledge, a magsorc with everything allowed is unbeatable 1v1.
That´s why nobody duels with "everything" allowed? Why would you even make a point around a scenario that has no relevance because the builds are unplayable in bgs or cyrodiil and nobody duels them except on pts each cycle to scream sorc op.
Thank you, that only strengthens my point. They need to regulate dueling otherwise magsorcs would win every tournament...
In what way is that point relevant on the topic of magsorc outside of dueling though?
You're trying to say magsorcs are not strong in open world and bgs, especially deathmatch? Last i checked they're widely considered the best 1vx class in the game. If you have any doubt about it, just watch faso. He regularly takes on 10+ players, even 15+ at times. They also dominate bgs because they're the #1 kill stealing class, and have the best mobility.
So again, they're the best class in every aspect of pvp. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.
Would you mind showing me where i try to say magsorcs aren´t strong?
I strongly object the thought they´re the best class in every aspect of pvp though. The only thing i have to do to validate my point is look at any form of grp pvp in cyrodiil - where sorc is a negate monkey (again).
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I’m a healer and dps mix so have a different perspective then most I imagine. The consistent pet damage isn’t really an issue and neither is the targeting issue from pets..
If sorcs were OP then 4 sorcs would dominate BGs, but I’ve found a full sorc group performs horribly.
I only see one issue with sorc, burst is a little on the high side.Edited by Iskiab on June 24, 2019 10:15PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0