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The "Balance" of Mag Sorcs
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Frozen_Heart246✭✭✭I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKDrybeFYY
He fight against players who dont even know how to break free. this is a pve zerg. Try to fight agains a real pvp group and sorc will die in less then a minute.3 -
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I’m not exactly part of the “sorcs are super OP team” but I feel like you aren’t really thinking about the arguments you make before you make them.
“Yeah sorcs arent OP they just do the single most important thing and if they didn’t have that thing that makes them OP we’d bring other classes who are better in ways that aren’t nearly as important”
Yup.
Oh but why would someone bring a magsorc for that single most important thing we´re talking about - and this is a magsorc topic after all...
I don´t really feel going into the discussion anymore as it´s basically history repeating itself. Sorc OP bc it´s a negate bot is sth people were arguing in 2014 about
Seraphayel wrote: »
Sure about that? I think I have never seen more than one Vigor HoT active at a time on my character.I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKDrybeFYY
Any other stamina class played by a good player would finish the fight in the tower with dawnbreakers left right and centre. So yeah plenty of classes can do similar 1vX videos. Key word is good player. Knowing ur class and how to play it. You are showing Malcolm, he is one of the best sorcs in the game. If you actually believe that you can perform on the same lvl as him simply because of the class then by all means hop on a sorc and show us.
Stam classes have to be on the target to do dmg. Mag sorcs can stay at range. This crafty positioning allows them to thin out enemy players far more effectively than Stam can. The flip side is that Stam can LOS better. But only slightly better.
Mag sorc doesn’t have to commit to a fight the same way that a Stam / melee build has to. And that is extremely strong for both 1vX and BG play.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Illuvatarr✭✭✭✭✭All of the other classes are better than sorcs in the hands of equally skilled players. Sorcs appear strong because they eradicate unsuspecting players or inexperienced players.4 -
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I’m not exactly part of the “sorcs are super OP team” but I feel like you aren’t really thinking about the arguments you make before you make them.
“Yeah sorcs arent OP they just do the single most important thing and if they didn’t have that thing that makes them OP we’d bring other classes who are better in ways that aren’t nearly as important”
Yup.
Oh but why would someone bring a magsorc for that single most important thing we´re talking about - and this is a magsorc topic after all...
I don´t really feel going into the discussion anymore as it´s basically history repeating itself. Sorc OP bc it´s a negate bot is sth people were arguing in 2014 aboutSeraphayel wrote: »
Sure about that? I think I have never seen more than one Vigor HoT active at a time on my character.I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKDrybeFYY
Any other stamina class played by a good player would finish the fight in the tower with dawnbreakers left right and centre. So yeah plenty of classes can do similar 1vX videos. Key word is good player. Knowing ur class and how to play it. You are showing Malcolm, he is one of the best sorcs in the game. If you actually believe that you can perform on the same lvl as him simply because of the class then by all means hop on a sorc and show us.
Stam classes have to be on the target to do dmg. Mag sorcs can stay at range. This crafty positioning allows them to thin out enemy players far more effectively than Stam can. The flip side is that Stam can LOS better. But only slightly better.
Mag sorc doesn’t have to commit to a fight the same way that a Stam / melee build has to. And that is extremely strong for both 1vX and BG play.
And in what way is that relevant to negating in a larger group???<Noricum>
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Malamar1229✭✭✭✭✭
✭I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKDrybeFYY
Not trying to downplay Faso or Malcom but I can farm horrible players as well. I had an entire raid chase me around for a good 5 minutes before killing me. So that means nerfs right?2 -
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✭If the pet issue is addressed and gutted to a point magsorcs arent slotting prts, the class would need adjustments. Non pet magicka sorc is no where near pet sorcEdited by Malamar1229 on June 27, 2019 9:51PM2 -
Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
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I’m not exactly part of the “sorcs are super OP team” but I feel like you aren’t really thinking about the arguments you make before you make them.
“Yeah sorcs arent OP they just do the single most important thing and if they didn’t have that thing that makes them OP we’d bring other classes who are better in ways that aren’t nearly as important”
Yup.
Oh but why would someone bring a magsorc for that single most important thing we´re talking about - and this is a magsorc topic after all...
I don´t really feel going into the discussion anymore as it´s basically history repeating itself. Sorc OP bc it´s a negate bot is sth people were arguing in 2014 aboutSeraphayel wrote: »
Sure about that? I think I have never seen more than one Vigor HoT active at a time on my character.I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKDrybeFYY
Any other stamina class played by a good player would finish the fight in the tower with dawnbreakers left right and centre. So yeah plenty of classes can do similar 1vX videos. Key word is good player. Knowing ur class and how to play it. You are showing Malcolm, he is one of the best sorcs in the game. If you actually believe that you can perform on the same lvl as him simply because of the class then by all means hop on a sorc and show us.
Stam classes have to be on the target to do dmg. Mag sorcs can stay at range. This crafty positioning allows them to thin out enemy players far more effectively than Stam can. The flip side is that Stam can LOS better. But only slightly better.
Mag sorc doesn’t have to commit to a fight the same way that a Stam / melee build has to. And that is extremely strong for both 1vX and BG play.
And in what way is that relevant to negating in a larger group???
What?PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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✭I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKDrybeFYY
There are clips of stam dk's and nightblades doing it as well. That's no justification in nerfing a class
Only average players or potatoes would scream nerf looking at 1vx videos posted by top tier players3 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
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I’m not exactly part of the “sorcs are super OP team” but I feel like you aren’t really thinking about the arguments you make before you make them.
“Yeah sorcs arent OP they just do the single most important thing and if they didn’t have that thing that makes them OP we’d bring other classes who are better in ways that aren’t nearly as important”
Yup.
Oh but why would someone bring a magsorc for that single most important thing we´re talking about - and this is a magsorc topic after all...
I don´t really feel going into the discussion anymore as it´s basically history repeating itself. Sorc OP bc it´s a negate bot is sth people were arguing in 2014 aboutSeraphayel wrote: »
Sure about that? I think I have never seen more than one Vigor HoT active at a time on my character.I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKDrybeFYY
Any other stamina class played by a good player would finish the fight in the tower with dawnbreakers left right and centre. So yeah plenty of classes can do similar 1vX videos. Key word is good player. Knowing ur class and how to play it. You are showing Malcolm, he is one of the best sorcs in the game. If you actually believe that you can perform on the same lvl as him simply because of the class then by all means hop on a sorc and show us.
Stam classes have to be on the target to do dmg. Mag sorcs can stay at range. This crafty positioning allows them to thin out enemy players far more effectively than Stam can. The flip side is that Stam can LOS better. But only slightly better.
Mag sorc doesn’t have to commit to a fight the same way that a Stam / melee build has to. And that is extremely strong for both 1vX and BG play.
And in what way is that relevant to negating in a larger group???
What?
Oh you quoted me aswell so i thought your reply was meant for everyone quoted.<Noricum>
I live. I die. I live again.
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Urvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKDrybeFYY
If you're 1vXing, the other players pretty much have to be bots by default, so that's hardly a justification for a class to be nerfed. It's much better to look at BGs, where top tier stamsorcs, dks, and magplars can all end up with very similar scores as sorcs.0 -
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✭✭I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKDrybeFYY
Any other stamina class played by a good player would finish the fight in the tower with dawnbreakers left right and centre. So yeah plenty of classes can do similar 1vX videos. Key word is good player. Knowing ur class and how to play it. You are showing Malcolm, he is one of the best sorcs in the game. If you actually believe that you can perform on the same lvl as him simply because of the class then by all means hop on a sorc and show us.
What sort of moronic argument is this? You think anyone cares what an average player can do? You think we're trying to get sorcs nerfed because of players like me with less than 2 days played on my sorc?Frozen_Heart246 wrote: »I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKDrybeFYY
He fight against players who dont even know how to break free. this is a pve zerg. Try to fight agains a real pvp group and sorc will die in less then a minute.
That's what 1vx is. You people are clearly not familiar with it. You can barely 1v1 good players in the current meta, let alone 1vx.Edited by MaxJrFTW on June 26, 2019 9:31PM"I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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✭✭I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKDrybeFYY
If you're 1vXing, the other players pretty much have to be bots by default, so that's hardly a justification for a class to be nerfed. It's much better to look at BGs, where top tier stamsorcs, dks, and magplars can all end up with very similar scores as sorcs.
Did you just say dks and magplars are as good as sorcs in bgs??? Where are these so called top tier templars and dks that perform as good as magsorcs in bgs? Dks are trash tier for bgs, and magplars are only good for healing.Edited by MaxJrFTW on June 26, 2019 9:36PM"I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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✭✭✭✭✭Malamar1229 wrote: »If the pet issue is addressed and gutted to a point magsorcs arent slotting let's, the class would need adjustments. Non pet magicka sorc is no where near pet sorc
To me the issue is simple: with pets I can put a lot of pressure on opponents and without pets I can't. I've tried so many schemes and weird builds trying to make non-pet work, but there are a lot of tough guys out there i just can't kill without the extra oomph from the pets.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE0 -
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✭I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKDrybeFYY
If you're 1vXing, the other players pretty much have to be bots by default, so that's hardly a justification for a class to be nerfed. It's much better to look at BGs, where top tier stamsorcs, dks, and magplars can all end up with very similar scores as sorcs.
Did you just say dks and magplars are as good as sorcs in bgs??? Where are these so called top tier templars and dks that perform as good as magsorcs in bgs? Dks are trash tier for bgs, and magplars are only good for healing.
If you think that, you've clearly haven't played enough BGs or with good teammates on those respective classes. The magplars/dks I run with pull just as much or higher dmg than sorcs and the magplars can get just as many or even more kills depending on what sort of opponents you're facing. They're nowhere near trash tier.1 -
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✭✭I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKDrybeFYY
If you're 1vXing, the other players pretty much have to be bots by default, so that's hardly a justification for a class to be nerfed. It's much better to look at BGs, where top tier stamsorcs, dks, and magplars can all end up with very similar scores as sorcs.
Did you just say dks and magplars are as good as sorcs in bgs??? Where are these so called top tier templars and dks that perform as good as magsorcs in bgs? Dks are trash tier for bgs, and magplars are only good for healing.
If you think that, you've clearly haven't played enough BGs or with good teammates on those respective classes. The magplars/dks I run with pull just as much or higher dmg than sorcs and the magplars can get just as many or even more kills depending on what sort of opponents you're facing. They're nowhere near trash tier.
Name one."I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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Amdar_Godkiller✭✭✭✭✭How is this even a debate? Sorc is absolute cheese this current patch and has made Cyrodil unplayable. Damage shields should be crittable as they currently are, but with no benefit gained from resistances, and max shield strength needs to be hard-capped (in fact just make the sorc shield a non-scalable flat amount). Also light attack damage should go back to being heavily weighted towards spell damage and weapon damage, and melee light attacks should deal bonus damage to shielded targets, because there needs to be counterplay for ranged combatants. This is where the developers started to go wrong and its been a descent into balance madness ever since that change was implemented.2 -
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✭I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKDrybeFYY
If you're 1vXing, the other players pretty much have to be bots by default, so that's hardly a justification for a class to be nerfed. It's much better to look at BGs, where top tier stamsorcs, dks, and magplars can all end up with very similar scores as sorcs.
Did you just say dks and magplars are as good as sorcs in bgs??? Where are these so called top tier templars and dks that perform as good as magsorcs in bgs? Dks are trash tier for bgs, and magplars are only good for healing.
If you think that, you've clearly haven't played enough BGs or with good teammates on those respective classes. The magplars/dks I run with pull just as much or higher dmg than sorcs and the magplars can get just as many or even more kills depending on what sort of opponents you're facing. They're nowhere near trash tier.
Name one.
Thorin, asnd, bulletproof, and climbs trees for magplars, vixx and truefrost for magdks.0 -
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✭✭I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKDrybeFYY
If you're 1vXing, the other players pretty much have to be bots by default, so that's hardly a justification for a class to be nerfed. It's much better to look at BGs, where top tier stamsorcs, dks, and magplars can all end up with very similar scores as sorcs.
Did you just say dks and magplars are as good as sorcs in bgs??? Where are these so called top tier templars and dks that perform as good as magsorcs in bgs? Dks are trash tier for bgs, and magplars are only good for healing.
If you think that, you've clearly haven't played enough BGs or with good teammates on those respective classes. The magplars/dks I run with pull just as much or higher dmg than sorcs and the magplars can get just as many or even more kills depending on what sort of opponents you're facing. They're nowhere near trash tier.
Name one.
Thorin, asnd, bulletproof, and climbs trees for magplars, vixx and truefrost for magdks.
I've played countless times with and against all those players, except climbs trees idk who that is. According to you they perform just as well in bgs as players like TheYKcid, Irylia, Nimmy(i think that's the name), i think iCaliban is another solid one. That's just laughable...wait i got the perfect gif for this.
Edited by MaxJrFTW on June 27, 2019 12:16AM"I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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✭✭✭Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »How is this even a debate? Sorc is absolute cheese this current patch and has made Cyrodil unplayable. Damage shields should be crittable as they currently are, but with no benefit gained from resistances, and max shield strength needs to be hard-capped (in fact just make the sorc shield a non-scalable flat amount). Also light attack damage should go back to being heavily weighted towards spell damage and weapon damage, and melee light attacks should deal bonus damage to shielded targets, because there needs to be counterplay for ranged combatants. This is where the developers started to go wrong and its been a descent into balance madness ever since that change was implemented.
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✭✭✭✭✭I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKDrybeFYY
If you're 1vXing, the other players pretty much have to be bots by default, so that's hardly a justification for a class to be nerfed. It's much better to look at BGs, where top tier stamsorcs, dks, and magplars can all end up with very similar scores as sorcs.
Did you just say dks and magplars are as good as sorcs in bgs??? Where are these so called top tier templars and dks that perform as good as magsorcs in bgs? Dks are trash tier for bgs, and magplars are only good for healing.
If you think that, you've clearly haven't played enough BGs or with good teammates on those respective classes. The magplars/dks I run with pull just as much or higher dmg than sorcs and the magplars can get just as many or even more kills depending on what sort of opponents you're facing. They're nowhere near trash tier.
Magplars? Sure
DKs? Absolutely not.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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✭I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKDrybeFYY
If you're 1vXing, the other players pretty much have to be bots by default, so that's hardly a justification for a class to be nerfed. It's much better to look at BGs, where top tier stamsorcs, dks, and magplars can all end up with very similar scores as sorcs.
Did you just say dks and magplars are as good as sorcs in bgs??? Where are these so called top tier templars and dks that perform as good as magsorcs in bgs? Dks are trash tier for bgs, and magplars are only good for healing.
If you think that, you've clearly haven't played enough BGs or with good teammates on those respective classes. The magplars/dks I run with pull just as much or higher dmg than sorcs and the magplars can get just as many or even more kills depending on what sort of opponents you're facing. They're nowhere near trash tier.
Name one.
Thorin, asnd, bulletproof, and climbs trees for magplars, vixx and truefrost for magdks.
I've played countless times with and against all those players, except climbs trees idk who that is. According to you they perform just as well in bgs as players like TheYKcid, Irylia, Nimmy(i think that's the name), i think iCaliban is another solid one. That's just laughable...wait i got the perfect gif for this.
Is that a joke? I've been in tons of games where they've had just as much or more damage and around the same kills depending on the enemy team compositions. Of course sorcs will often end up with more kills overall just from the execute, but magplars are definitely a contender with their beam against certain types of players. Overall though, dk and magplar damage is just as good.0 -
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✭I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKDrybeFYY
If you're 1vXing, the other players pretty much have to be bots by default, so that's hardly a justification for a class to be nerfed. It's much better to look at BGs, where top tier stamsorcs, dks, and magplars can all end up with very similar scores as sorcs.
Did you just say dks and magplars are as good as sorcs in bgs??? Where are these so called top tier templars and dks that perform as good as magsorcs in bgs? Dks are trash tier for bgs, and magplars are only good for healing.
If you think that, you've clearly haven't played enough BGs or with good teammates on those respective classes. The magplars/dks I run with pull just as much or higher dmg than sorcs and the magplars can get just as many or even more kills depending on what sort of opponents you're facing. They're nowhere near trash tier.
Magplars? Sure
DKs? Absolutely not.
For kills, yeah dks will be lower than sorcs generally since they don't have an execute. If you look at overall damage though, magdks at least just as high or higher.1 -
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✭✭I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKDrybeFYY
If you're 1vXing, the other players pretty much have to be bots by default, so that's hardly a justification for a class to be nerfed. It's much better to look at BGs, where top tier stamsorcs, dks, and magplars can all end up with very similar scores as sorcs.
Did you just say dks and magplars are as good as sorcs in bgs??? Where are these so called top tier templars and dks that perform as good as magsorcs in bgs? Dks are trash tier for bgs, and magplars are only good for healing.
If you think that, you've clearly haven't played enough BGs or with good teammates on those respective classes. The magplars/dks I run with pull just as much or higher dmg than sorcs and the magplars can get just as many or even more kills depending on what sort of opponents you're facing. They're nowhere near trash tier.
Magplars? Sure
DKs? Absolutely not.
For kills, yeah dks will be lower than sorcs generally since they don't have an execute. If you look at overall damage though, magdks at least just as high or higher.
Deluded"I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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✭I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKDrybeFYY
If you're 1vXing, the other players pretty much have to be bots by default, so that's hardly a justification for a class to be nerfed. It's much better to look at BGs, where top tier stamsorcs, dks, and magplars can all end up with very similar scores as sorcs.
Did you just say dks and magplars are as good as sorcs in bgs??? Where are these so called top tier templars and dks that perform as good as magsorcs in bgs? Dks are trash tier for bgs, and magplars are only good for healing.
If you think that, you've clearly haven't played enough BGs or with good teammates on those respective classes. The magplars/dks I run with pull just as much or higher dmg than sorcs and the magplars can get just as many or even more kills depending on what sort of opponents you're facing. They're nowhere near trash tier.
Magplars? Sure
DKs? Absolutely not.
For kills, yeah dks will be lower than sorcs generally since they don't have an execute. If you look at overall damage though, magdks at least just as high or higher.
Deluded
I literally queue regularly with people who have damage numbers like this. You're looking at the top end of players here, not your average player. Also, sorcs will tend to do better with solo queuing compared to dks, but dks shine with a group and a healer.2 -
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I’m not exactly part of the “sorcs are super OP team” but I feel like you aren’t really thinking about the arguments you make before you make them.
“Yeah sorcs arent OP they just do the single most important thing and if they didn’t have that thing that makes them OP we’d bring other classes who are better in ways that aren’t nearly as important”
Yup.
Oh but why would someone bring a magsorc for that single most important thing we´re talking about - and this is a magsorc topic after all...
I don´t really feel going into the discussion anymore as it´s basically history repeating itself. Sorc OP bc it´s a negate bot is sth people were arguing in 2014 aboutSeraphayel wrote: »
Sure about that? I think I have never seen more than one Vigor HoT active at a time on my character.I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKDrybeFYY
Any other stamina class played by a good player would finish the fight in the tower with dawnbreakers left right and centre. So yeah plenty of classes can do similar 1vX videos. Key word is good player. Knowing ur class and how to play it. You are showing Malcolm, he is one of the best sorcs in the game. If you actually believe that you can perform on the same lvl as him simply because of the class then by all means hop on a sorc and show us.
Stam classes have to be on the target to do dmg. Mag sorcs can stay at range. This crafty positioning allows them to thin out enemy players far more effectively than Stam can. The flip side is that Stam can LOS better. But only slightly better.
Mag sorc doesn’t have to commit to a fight the same way that a Stam / melee build has to. And that is extremely strong for both 1vX and BG play.
Yes they stay at range and use streak from Los to Los to split people up and kill them. That's how sorcs play. Just because they don't fight like Stam builds it doesn't mean they don't commit to the fight. They don't fight like Stam cause they are not a brawler class. Just because Malcolm didn't stay in the tower to fight all of them in there it doesn't he didn't commit. He didn't stay in there cause he is not playing a freaking Stam build and he would probably die trying to play that way.1 -
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✭✭I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKDrybeFYY
If you're 1vXing, the other players pretty much have to be bots by default, so that's hardly a justification for a class to be nerfed. It's much better to look at BGs, where top tier stamsorcs, dks, and magplars can all end up with very similar scores as sorcs.
Did you just say dks and magplars are as good as sorcs in bgs??? Where are these so called top tier templars and dks that perform as good as magsorcs in bgs? Dks are trash tier for bgs, and magplars are only good for healing.
If you think that, you've clearly haven't played enough BGs or with good teammates on those respective classes. The magplars/dks I run with pull just as much or higher dmg than sorcs and the magplars can get just as many or even more kills depending on what sort of opponents you're facing. They're nowhere near trash tier.
Magplars? Sure
DKs? Absolutely not.
For kills, yeah dks will be lower than sorcs generally since they don't have an execute. If you look at overall damage though, magdks at least just as high or higher.
Deluded
I literally queue regularly with people who have damage numbers like this. You're looking at the top end of players here, not your average player. Also, sorcs will tend to do better with solo queuing compared to dks, but dks shine with a group and a healer.
You mean like literally everyone else.
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✭I can't find Faso's clip so this one will do. Not quite 15, but close enough. Now try doing that with any other class.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKDrybeFYY
If you're 1vXing, the other players pretty much have to be bots by default, so that's hardly a justification for a class to be nerfed. It's much better to look at BGs, where top tier stamsorcs, dks, and magplars can all end up with very similar scores as sorcs.
Did you just say dks and magplars are as good as sorcs in bgs??? Where are these so called top tier templars and dks that perform as good as magsorcs in bgs? Dks are trash tier for bgs, and magplars are only good for healing.
If you think that, you've clearly haven't played enough BGs or with good teammates on those respective classes. The magplars/dks I run with pull just as much or higher dmg than sorcs and the magplars can get just as many or even more kills depending on what sort of opponents you're facing. They're nowhere near trash tier.
Magplars? Sure
DKs? Absolutely not.
For kills, yeah dks will be lower than sorcs generally since they don't have an execute. If you look at overall damage though, magdks at least just as high or higher.
Deluded
I literally queue regularly with people who have damage numbers like this. You're looking at the top end of players here, not your average player. Also, sorcs will tend to do better with solo queuing compared to dks, but dks shine with a group and a healer.
You mean like literally everyone else.
It's ok though, you win. If you have to keep lying to yourself to sleep better at night, so be it.
I mean you're the one that apparently hasn't PvP'd in the last 5 weeks so I'm not sure how you can comment on the class balance in Elsweyr.1 -
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✭✭Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »How is this even a debate? Sorc is absolute cheese this current patch and has made Cyrodil unplayable. Damage shields should be crittable as they currently are, but with no benefit gained from resistances, and max shield strength needs to be hard-capped (in fact just make the sorc shield a non-scalable flat amount). Also light attack damage should go back to being heavily weighted towards spell damage and weapon damage, and melee light attacks should deal bonus damage to shielded targets, because there needs to be counterplay for ranged combatants. This is where the developers started to go wrong and its been a descent into balance madness ever since that change was implemented.
So, just nerf sorc into the ground?
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Amdar_Godkiller✭✭✭✭✭Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »How is this even a debate? Sorc is absolute cheese this current patch and has made Cyrodil unplayable. Damage shields should be crittable as they currently are, but with no benefit gained from resistances, and max shield strength needs to be hard-capped (in fact just make the sorc shield a non-scalable flat amount). Also light attack damage should go back to being heavily weighted towards spell damage and weapon damage, and melee light attacks should deal bonus damage to shielded targets, because there needs to be counterplay for ranged combatants. This is where the developers started to go wrong and its been a descent into balance madness ever since that change was implemented.
So, just nerf sorc into the ground?
Honestly, they've never been nerfed once, so doing so would be a welcome change. Everytime ZOS tries, the sorc community whines so much that the nerf they were going to receive is turned into a buff, while the other class balance changes go ahead as planned (most egregiously was when dodge roll's duration was gutted while shields were at first slightly nerfed, then buffed to a ridiculous level during the same PTS cycle), further expanding the gap.
This also happened this past patch with Stamblade , where they took away some common and semi-rare buffs and debuffs and then replaced them with several extremely rare ones inexplicably. With Nightblade though, usually they just get micronerfed, while mag-sorc has gotten nerfed-into-a-buff basically every other patch since OT.3 -
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✭✭Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »How is this even a debate? Sorc is absolute cheese this current patch and has made Cyrodil unplayable. Damage shields should be crittable as they currently are, but with no benefit gained from resistances, and max shield strength needs to be hard-capped (in fact just make the sorc shield a non-scalable flat amount). Also light attack damage should go back to being heavily weighted towards spell damage and weapon damage, and melee light attacks should deal bonus damage to shielded targets, because there needs to be counterplay for ranged combatants. This is where the developers started to go wrong and its been a descent into balance madness ever since that change was implemented.
So, just nerf sorc into the ground?
Honestly, they've never been nerfed once, so doing so would be a welcome change. Everytime ZOS tries, the sorc community whines so much that the nerf they were going to receive is turned into a buff, while the other class balance changes go ahead as planned (most egregiously was when dodge roll's duration was gutted while shields were at first slightly nerfed, then buffed to a ridiculous level during the same PTS cycle), further expanding the gap.
This also happened this past patch with Stamblade , where they took away some common and semi-rare buffs and debuffs and then replaced them with several extremely rare ones inexplicably. With Nightblade though, usually they just get micronerfed, while mag-sorc has gotten nerfed-into-a-buff basically every other patch since OT.
Kinda ironic to talk about class balance and advocate at the same time for a class to be nerfed to the ground.
I'm curious tho about those buffs that sorcs get every single patch. Care to elaborate?0