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Wood Elf/ Bosmer losing stealth passive, An open letter.

  • Koronach
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    OsManiaC wrote: »
    wish someone reached them at E3. 77 pages and no effect

    Same I was hoping someone could of talked to them about these lore issues. Also your sig........;;>.=.>
  • Koronach
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    OsManiaC wrote: »
    Koronach wrote: »
    OsManiaC wrote: »
    wish someone reached them at E3. 77 pages and no effect

    Same I was hoping someone could of talked to them about these lore issues. Also your sig........;;>.=.>

    Same as all people here, I try to keep our kin alive and stick to its origins.

    Well I'm trying to help so you won't eat me right? (Edits in) ;^.=.^ maybe I should go stand over there.
    Edited by Koronach on June 16, 2019 11:35PM
  • anadandy
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    BlueRaven wrote: »
    Vlad9425 wrote: »
    I don't get it. They've clearly seen there's an overwhelmingly negative response to the changes to the Bosmer passive but they do nothing? Why not just revert the change and then you no longer have to deal with this discussion.

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/456997/class-reps-update-meeting-notes-jan-30-2019/p1

    "Bosmer: ZOS has heard concerns about the stackable powerful movement speed. Bosmers will still get a speed boost off dodge, it just wont be as high. Bosmers will get some short damage bonus as compensation. Note: Reps specifically asked about the community’s concern that bosmers are trading stealth for different buffs. We were told that ZOS saw these concerns and would work on creating more options/systems for stealth gameplay outside of race. With these additions, stealth gameplay will open up to more players, and also allow bosmers to have the nice combat buff will still having avenues to be as stealthy as before." (Emphasis mine.)

    This was from a January Class Reps meeting. They knew people were already complaining about it, yet they went on with it anyway. Make of that what you will.

    And so far the only option/system for stealth game play created was the new Vesture of Darloc Brae set. The 4 piece bonus is essentially the old Bosmer stealth radius.
  • Cundu_Ertur
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    Jaraal wrote: »
    BlueRaven wrote: »
    Vlad9425 wrote: »
    I don't get it. They've clearly seen there's an overwhelmingly negative response to the changes to the Bosmer passive but they do nothing? Why not just revert the change and then you no longer have to deal with this discussion.

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/456997/class-reps-update-meeting-notes-jan-30-2019/p1

    "Bosmer: ZOS has heard concerns about the stackable powerful movement speed. Bosmers will still get a speed boost off dodge, it just wont be as high. Bosmers will get some short damage bonus as compensation. Note: Reps specifically asked about the community’s concern that bosmers are trading stealth for different buffs. We were told that ZOS saw these concerns and would work on creating more options/systems for stealth gameplay outside of race. With these additions, stealth gameplay will open up to more players, and also allow bosmers to have the nice combat buff will still having avenues to be as stealthy as before." (Emphasis mine.)

    This was from a January Class Reps meeting. They knew people were already complaining about it, yet they went on with it anyway. Make of that what you will.

    And opening up stealth to all races still makes Bosmer tied for last place and less stealthy than two other races.

    Lore is still corrupted, in-game quest dialogues still don't make sense, and it's basically a verification that they nerfed Bosmer to make Khajiit more attractive to those who embrace the stealth playstyle.

    Exactly. Orcs are traditionally the least stealthy race in lore and in all iterations of TES games, and currently Bosmer are exactly as stealthy as Orcs. And that's garbage.
    Edited by Cundu_Ertur on June 17, 2019 6:58PM
    Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.
  • Marginis
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    I may be in the minority but I think the stealth passive was just redundant. Perhaps Bosmer need something better than what ZOS gave them with the last racial passive changes, but I still like the idea that it's something unique to them.
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  • Sylvermynx
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    Wasn't Rajhin only a mediocre thief without the Ring of Khajiit? Or am I confused - and I certainly could be!
  • Darkmage1337
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    max_only wrote: »
    I literally didn't realize that the Bosmer had lost their sneak bonus until I ran into this thread. Stuff is changing all the time in the game and I usually just ignore it -- it hurts the people who optimize their build for whatever the current setup is, but after the first few big changes I just gave up on optimizing and settled for role-playing. I put points into the passives, and I generally ignore the details of whatever actual benefits they give me, outside of the broad strokes of magicka for elves and bretons, stamina for redguards and khajiit and wood elves, and so forth.

    But also, I didn't realize it because Bosmer have *always* had the sneak bonus, and that sneak bonus was part of the broad strokes that I associated with them. So, when I saw that the Bosmer racial passives had changed, and I read that the "sneak detection radius" had changed, I just assumed that it was a weirdly worded way of saying that they were harder to detect. There are armor set bonuses that improve your sneak, and they also phrase it in terms of sneak detection radius, so I just assumed that was what was going on.

    But I've just recently started playing my one Bosmer character again, and doing the Thieves Guild and DB questlines, and it was striking me that my sneak seemed worse than I was expecting. My main character is Khajiit, and I was expecting them to have similar sneak abilities, as usual, but my Bosmer kept being detected when I thought I should have been fine. It was weird, and it had been nagging at me to try to figure out what was going wrong.

    And now I know. ZOS, why would you change a sneak/scout type race into just another stamina DPS? The minor speed buff was a nice touch, and would have paired well with the sneak bonus to create the idea of the woodland ranger, moving swiftly and silently through the forest. But now my tiny Bosmer is basically the same as my redguard, and exactly as sneaky as my giant high elf warrior.

    I'll roll with this change as I've rolled with all the others. The change to a detection buff is absolutely useless to me, and when I get detected I'll just kill everyone around me like any stamina DPS would do. But it definitely takes some of the fun out of this character for me.

    Thank you for posting. Every once in a while we’ll get someone who claims it’s just affecting 5-6 of us and no one else cares. You are proof that it affects more people than we can know. There are plenty of players chagrined with this change who just frown, don’t read the forums and decide to continue or quit that we will never know about.

    Well, with 2.3k replies, 49.1k views, and now 78 pages long, I am pretty sure the community cares more about this issue than any other current topic on the forums.
    Yes, Z0$ nerfed Wood Elf to buff Khajiit and sell more Elsweyr copies... We're all cats now. :lol:
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