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Wood Elf/ Bosmer losing stealth passive, An open letter.

  • Koronach
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    I don't think I've every played an MMORPG that had this problem. If the passives didn't match the lore it would of been considered a mistake or bug and fixed. Of course ZoS would mess up and instead of admitting it and plan on fixing it, they just ignore it.
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    But you can bet the crown store is running like a Swiss watch! Lots of new shinies to buy this month.

    Certainly gives credence to the widely held notion that their priority is maximizing profits, at the expense of neglecting gameplay and lore issues.
    RIP Bosmer Nation. 4/4/14 - 2/25/19.
  • Jaraal
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    I would have changed it to something useful by now. Wonder why it's so quite.

    I would assume it's because they have no plans to fix anything about it, and they are waiting for us to get tired of talking about it.
    RIP Bosmer Nation. 4/4/14 - 2/25/19.
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    Jaraal wrote: »
    BlueRaven wrote: »
    Jaraal wrote: »
    Koronach wrote: »
    Ratzkifal wrote: »
    Anyone here going to E3 and wants to represent our cause while the others are being nails on a chalkboard?

    I wish so I could tell them face to face how fail the changes were for both of our races. I would love to ask them how they could just ignore such epic lore fails. I don't understand how the damn loremaster can be ok with this.

    Someone here said they asked a dev face to face at a conference about the issue, but they were so politely dismissive that nothing was actually discussed.

    I think very few would be argumentative in a one on one meeting. It's much easier to be outspoken in written media than in personal interaction.

    Hi! That was me;

    So you don't have to scroll back to March here is the two pertinent posts I made.
    BlueRaven wrote: »
    Ok I got to talk with someone after the show, they are aware of the thread. And they are working on something. Timetable unknown, I am guessing NOT in Elsweyr.

    Overall I had a pretty good day! I am leaving much happier then when I came in.

    And...
    BlueRaven wrote: »
    Ok let me tell you what was said and how it went down.

    While leaving, I bumped into the guy who is in charge of combat and pvp(?) he was on stage during the presentation.

    (As a side note, earlier I also had a nice short conversation with the guy in charge of dungeons except I did not recognize him as the guy in charge of dungeons. We had a nice conversation about... Dungeons.)

    Anyway, so after some pleasentries I said;
    “Ok, I have to ask, Bosmer and stealth.” Just like that.

    And he said he knew about the controversy and hinted at this thread. They want to open stealth gameplay to all and they are planning on a dedicated stealth skill line but it’s all very early. He was extremely nice about it and it did not feel like he was trying to push me off with a maybe. We had a short discussion about what the tree might look like and that was it.

    I left the conversation very pleased.

    Keep in mind that if/when they do implement the tree, bosmers and kahjits May loose anything that says stealth from their passives (this is my supposition not his). Which will even out the stealth issues. I know bosmers won’t be best in stealth, but in Skyrim (eventually) all races can be equally good in stealth and I ok with that.

    At least it will be better then what we have currently.

    Ok back to driving.

    I still stand by this.
    It did not feel like a push off or they were dismissive, it felt ernest. And at the time it seemed like the earliest this "Stealth open to all" thing would be on the next major update after Elsweyr. Which is why I am very interested in what happens this Sunday, I hope there will be some new indication of what he was talking about.

    I am really crossing my fingers that we will get an indication of what he meant soon.

    Thanks for filling that in!

    I guess what I found dismissive about it is that nothing was said about restoring the Bosmer lore, or assuring that we would be (at least tied for) the best at stealth, as we once were. I saw only a mention of a possibility for everyone to become stealthy at some point.

    Well Sunday is BE3 when we should see what the next update is about. Hopefully it will be a "guild" type dlc which has stealth involved in it.
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    I just previewed Spear of Bitter Mercy, which as I know as represented visually exclusively in Morrowind... and ESO's version is completely different... so ZOS can't attend to lore even when selling items which suppose to call to people's nostalgia whatever.
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    anadandy wrote: »
    We also wanted to have more of a distinct play pattern on how Wood Elves and Khajiit both engaged with Stealth, so we’ve repurposed Wood Elves’ passive into one that deals with turning their proficiency of Stealth into a proficiency of hunting Stealthed targets. a bunch of crap.

    - that's the closest they ever got to admitting detection was useless in PvE.

    Actually, it's not. A Community Manager actually posted that "NPCs can't be bothered to hide," in response to criticism of the new passive. I tried to find that quote, but but apparently that's been redacted, too.



    Edited by Jaraal on June 7, 2019 10:26PM
    RIP Bosmer Nation. 4/4/14 - 2/25/19.
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    Jaraal wrote: »
    anadandy wrote: »
    We also wanted to have more of a distinct play pattern on how Wood Elves and Khajiit both engaged with Stealth, so we’ve repurposed Wood Elves’ passive into one that deals with turning their proficiency of Stealth into a proficiency of hunting Stealthed targets. a bunch of crap.

    - that's the closest they ever got to admitting detection was useless in PvE.

    Actually, it's not. A Community Manager actually posted that "NPCs can't be bothered to hide," in response to criticism of the new passive. I tried to find that quote, but apparently that's been redacted, too.

    No surprise....
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    BlueRaven wrote: »
    Is this the quote you are looking for?

    Thank you, I was in error. I made an assumption and apologize for throwing shade where it doesn't belong.


    Edited by Jaraal on June 7, 2019 10:39PM
    RIP Bosmer Nation. 4/4/14 - 2/25/19.
  • BlueRaven
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    Jaraal wrote: »
    BlueRaven wrote: »
    Is this the quote you are looking for?

    Thank you, I was in error.

    No worries from me! :)
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