Wood Elf/ Bosmer losing stealth passive, An open letter.
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✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »ESO for me is like a country where my toons live and "combat team" is like corrupted government who cares about only their own business (PVP balance).
Well stated. They clearly aren't invested in the player experience.... only how they can balance deathmatch numbers on a spreadsheet. Most players don't PvP, so they are only trying to appease a small segment of the population, at the expense of the majority.
I kind of get how the loremaster doesn't want to make waves with his friends on the combat team, but I'm really curious how this made it past the marketing team. One would think they would want the maximum number of happy players. But I guess they get paid to sign off on whatever crosses their desk. We just happen to be the ones that have to think about it every time we see our once great Bosmer characters (or plastic surgery enhanced Bosmer that now looks like a Khajiit) at the log in screen.
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Well stated. They clearly aren't invested in the player experience.... only how they can balance deathmatch numbers on a spreadsheet. Most players don't PvP, so they are only trying to appease a small segment of the population, at the expense of the majority.
I kind of get how the loremaster doesn't want to make waves with his friends on the combat team, but I'm really curious how this made it past the marketing team. One would think they would want the maximum number of happy players. But I guess they get paid to sign off on whatever crosses their desk. We just happen to be the ones that have to think about it every time we see our once great Bosmer characters (or plastic surgery enhanced Bosmer that now looks like a Khajiit) at the log in screen.
I think they look at other games, which make most money, like Fortnite etc and think that they need evolve ESO to something similar... which is completely wrong in my opinion, since ESO population came mostly from previous single-player games and so trying to turn them (us) in some PVP-oriented brawlers won't work.
There is brightest example such as Bioware. They were making best RPGs with Dragon Age:Origins and Mass Effect 2 as some pinnacle of art and success and then some smart-backside from EA decided to enforce coop in Mass Effect 3 and remade all game to be like Call of Duty.. results well-known -> Bioware is dead.6 -
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✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »There is brightest example such as Bioware. They were making best RPGs with Dragon Age:Origins and Mass Effect 2 as some pinnacle of art and success and then some smart-backside from EA decided to enforce coop in Mass Effect 3 and remade all game to be like Call of Duty.. results well-known -> Bioware is dead.
I think what hurt ME3 the most was the dumbed down ending that didn't fit the rest of the story. Up until "Mr. Marauder Shields" it wasn't bad and seemed to be going to a satisfying conclusion. I think some exec somewhere was like, "derrrrrr, whutwhuzzat," so they dumbed it down way too much. I actually liked the co-op mode at times, but there were times where it did feel cash grabby. So long as you kept your wallet away most of the time it wasn't too bad. Even then they could have survived, until they handed off the IP to another bunch who had no clue what they were doing. Andromeda did more damage to Bioware than any other thing.Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Cundu_Ertur wrote: »
I think what hurt ME3 the most was the dumbed down ending that didn't fit the rest of the story. Up until "Mr. Marauder Shields" it wasn't bad and seemed to be going to a satisfying conclusion. I think some exec somewhere was like, "derrrrrr, whutwhuzzat," so they dumbed it down way too much. I actually liked the co-op mode at times, but there were times where it did feel cash grabby. So long as you kept your wallet away most of the time it wasn't too bad. Even then they could have survived, until they handed off the IP to another bunch who had no clue what they were doing. Andromeda did more damage to Bioware than any other thing.
Well, I agree that coop option was not bad, what is bad that overall game style was changed to "Space Marines". Of course we still have awesome characters in ME3 and I like majority of missions but after flawless ME1 and ME2 where all missions were in harmony and made sense, there were too much nonsense in ME3 story. Same nonsense as bosmer without stealth. Harmony and immersion are very fragile things. Several cracks in it and all the picture becomes murky.SpoilerAndromeda actually not that bad game in last version of patch, especially comparing to what we have on the market now. It's huge and beautiful and there are a lot of great quests, though a lot of dumb quests too. But same can be said about ESO?
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✭✭Any relevant news from E3?Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Cundu_Ertur wrote: »Any relevant news from E3?
Nope. Cats and dragons. And more dragons! And even more dragons!2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Cundu_Ertur wrote: »Any relevant news from E3?
Not really. The next dlc is a dungeon dlc so I am not expecting race passive changes or a new stealth tree to be introduced.
After that is a story dlc that was light on information about introducing any new gameplay elements. Although a dragon hunting group is being introduced (Origin of the emperor’s blades perhaps? I am not clear on their history.). The group would seem an unlikely candidate for a stealth tree introduction, but who knows.
Edited by BlueRaven on June 10, 2019 4:32PM2 -
thegreatme✭✭✭✭✭Cundu_Ertur wrote: »Any relevant news from E3?
Nope.
So far no announcements of anything that seems related to any stealth trees or stealth-related DLC, or any acknowledgement about racial passives (not that I expected any). Just shiny cinematics and hype and "we increased server capacity for all the new players coming to ESO!" (meanwhile I'm lagging out the butt everywhere in Elswyer on my high end gaming pc
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Elswyer honestly seems like a weird place for them to introduce some kind of stealth system all of a sudden when the Year of the Dragon is all about khajiit and dragons and charging headlong into a literal firefight. Not much point of stealth in that scenario, unless you just want to run away from all of that.
Personally I wouldn't mind some future stealth DLC where you're helping Nocturnal or something, instead of trying to stop her from destroying the world or whatever other nonsense. It would make sense to introduce stealth along with Nocturnal content, maybe some start to the Nightingales or something since I don't believe they were part of the Thieves DLC? (didn't finish it yet but someone said there was nothing about Nightingales, probably because there's only a few at any given time).
But I doubt that's going to happen any more than my much-desired Reachman-sided content some niche people have been asking for since before launch and told wasn't probably ever going to happen.Thank You ZoS!:
◙ Blackfeather Court banker/merchant
◙ Gloam Indrik
◙ Re-release Gloam Wolf Mount
◙ Evergloam house
Let's See It Happen ZoS:
◙ /honorloop emote
◙ cross-legged sitting emote
◙ Hagraven Polymorph
◙ Hagraven Houseguest3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Cundu_Ertur wrote: »Any relevant news from E3?
Follow up, they have an article.
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/56433
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I had watched the stream; my meaning was more if anyone had actually gone there and talked to someone like you had a few months back in Boston.
Who else cringed every time the stream broke into the "Hey, we're gamers too and we appreciate your feedback" agitprop? LOL yeah, right. 76 pages and all we got is a box full of nothin'.
edit to add: not to mention the several threads in PTS when the changes first showed up in PTS-land, and Character Mechanics before that when they were first previewed.Edited by Cundu_Ertur on June 11, 2019 1:13PMTaking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Cundu_Ertur wrote: »
I had watched the stream; my meaning was more if anyone had actually gone there and talked to someone like you had a few months back in Boston.
Who else cringed every time the stream broke into the "Hey, we're gamers too and we appreciate your feedback" agitprop? LOL yeah, right. 76 pages and all we got is a box full of nothin'.
edit to add: not to mention the several threads in PTS when the changes first showed up in PTS-land, and Character Mechanics before that when they were first previewed.
I did not cringe as much as I did an eye roll.
(I do not want to stray too much into other topics here but when they said how nice the fallout 76 community was and that they listened to the feedback, all I could think about were the wide reports of greifing and community cries for a pure PvE experience. Instead they keep making new PvP experiences and catering to that crowd. Is that a trend?)
I was hoping to see an interview somewhere after the show about eso. I would love to see what they have planned for that dlc in the fall. (The news of a dungeon dlc this August was a bit of a disappointment to me really.) I keep having hope for some good news.Edited by BlueRaven on June 11, 2019 2:45PM3 -
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✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »
Nope. Cats and dragons. And more dragons! And even more dragons!
And scales! Don't forget the scales!
I found the whole presentation rather meh - drop a couple DLC names, crow about how many new players you have but no real substance.
Where's my Bosmer stealth, Matt?10 -
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✭✭✭I'm tired of killing dragons...
I'm just tired, period, at this point.
The Elsweyr boss dailies are bugged, so I can't do many of them, without losing the plot entirely.
You try to explain to people, over and over, to please wait for everyone to get the q items first, but they never do.
They just don't seem to understand...
So, you, or someone else, gets the quest bug (i.e. one of the q items disappear) and then you (or they) have to drop the quest, go and pick it up again and hope the same thing doesn't happen again.
Then you have to expain, for 999th time, what happened and why.
Knowing, all too well, that they will have forgotten again, by the next time.
Maybe I'll go back to stealing?
Oh no, I can't - it's not like it used to be.
Did I mention I'm tired of killing dragons...?
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OsManiaC✭✭✭✭maybe they make special bosmer DLC, where we can hunt and eat well --- you know - #justbosmerthings.GM of The Argonian Kebab, The Argonian Steak & The Argonian BBQ - PC - EU (The Tamriel Kitchen) @OsManiaC
Don't worry, the tail grows back!
if it breathes we eats. #justbosmerthings - we can detect stealth boy NPCs and hunt them thanks to our skill!
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Alucardmike✭✭✭maybe they make special bosmer DLC, where we can hunt and eat well --- you know - #justbosmerthings.
There are not many regions left...
Only a falinesti DLC could work, but it would be to much for the engine, I think...The bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭maybe they make special bosmer DLC, where we can hunt and eat well --- you know - #justbosmerthings.
Hopefully. But from the looks of it, that won't come before Q2 2020, as Q1 is almost certainly going to be yet another dungeon DLC and the rest of the season of the dragon is already set in stone. We can only hope that in Pelletine the jungle allows for more sneakiness and that ZOS addresses our problems by then. The dragon guard will probably take the main focus of that DLC, so we'll probably not get that awesome new stealth system that's supposed to fix everything.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Alucardmike wrote: »
There are not many regions left...
Only a falinesti DLC could work, but it would be to much for the engine, I think...
Not if Falinesti is outside of Tamriel and won't return during our visit there. Then it would just be like Artaeum and Clockwork City.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.3 -
wedgebert✭✭✭✭✭Wouldn't it be more perfect if instead of that epic fail video, you used the Elder Scrolls "Destruction 100" meme
Maybe tweaking it to say "Lore Destruction 100"6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Funny how the closest I've come to purchase Elsweyr over all this is the special deal Elder Scrolls Legends offers for ESO players. Now I am tempted to buy Elsweyr not because of ESO but because of another game, which actually hasn't been messing with TES lore at all so far.
ZOS should be glad they have others covering their backs for them. I still won't resub though until that's fixed. I recently sold like 40 furnishing plans, so my inventory management is going well even without ESO+.
Give Bosmer their stealth back and you can count on my money again!This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.5 -
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✭✭Fast orcs (should be a low one it's kinda minor).
Archery combat bonuses for Imperials, Redguards, Dunmer, and Orcs -- but none for Bosmer.
Maybe:
The Nord alliance with the Dunmer, too. I remember being surprised the Nords have given up Solstheim after the Red Year since that was a relationship that had always been strained.
Dragons everywhere.
Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.0 -
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I like that Idea.
I started expanding on it a bit.
If anyone has some ideas on how to fill out the rest of the "stars" let me know. I will try to get back to it tomorrow.
Is it a burning book? Awesome! 6 -
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✭✭Oh, the first one at the bottom has to be 'no jungles in Cyrodiil.'Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.5 -
Taloros✭✭✭✭Met a new player who had his character a bosmer, probably not knowing that he had picked a race with questionable passives. Made me a little sad.2 -
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Oh would you look at that. FudgeMuppet made a video on Bosmer. And what does he say at 5:07 ?
It gets even more juicy at 8:47 about the rite of theft. Sadly the forest coupling is not mentioned, but then again we haven't really seen it in any of the games (possibly because it's impossible to implement).Bosmer are also known for being very quick, nimble and agile and more specifically, very stealthy and also natural born archers.
If you are wondering why this is relevant, well FudgeMuppet is a TES lore channel but focusing more on Skyrim and TESVI speculations. Although he uses ESO lore for some of his videos (sometimes even letting it shine through when it's not making much sense), it's pretty clear he doesn't play the game. So he's pretty much an outside view unaffected by the balance decisions taken by ZOS and ESO's patch history. If he can recognize that Woodelfs are stealthy and we can recognize that Woodelfs are stealthy, then why can't ZOS?Edited by Ratzkifal on June 15, 2019 4:41PMThis Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.9 -
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I like that Idea.
I started expanding on it a bit.
If anyone has some ideas on how to fill out the rest of the "stars" let me know. I will try to get back to it tomorrow.
Doing Yfrre’s work, bless you children.
#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
#OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
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✭✭https://youtube.com/watch?v=KuT5h7IzliA
Oh would you look at that. FudgeMuppet made a video on Bosmer. And what does he say at 5:07 ? It gets even more juicy at 8:47 about the rite of theft. Sadly the forest coupling is not mentioned, but then again we haven't really seen it in any of the games (possibly because it's impossible to implement).
If you are wondering why this is relevant, well FudgeMuppet is a TES lore channel but focusing more on Skyrim and TESVI speculations. Although he uses ESO lore for some of his videos (sometimes even letting it shine through when it's not making much sense), it's pretty clear he doesn't play the game. So he's pretty much an outside view unaffected by the balance decisions taken by ZOS and ESO's patch history. If he can recognize that Woodelfs are stealthy and we can recognize that Woodelfs are stealthy, then why can't ZOS?
Edit: How do you make the thumbnail and video appear in here and not just the URL?
If it's from youtube just put [ youtube ] video id [ / youtube ] around it (get rid of spaces)
Edited by anadandy on June 15, 2019 2:29AM0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1AFmN2hzLE
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