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Wood Elf/ Bosmer losing stealth passive, An open letter.
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elven.were_wolf✭✭✭✭I just want my 3m detection radius back so I can steal to my hearts content! T^T
I’m jealous that khajiit get freak’n 5m stealth reduction AND 5% pickpocket chance increase! It’s no fair that they are the only race that can play justice content😭😭Achievement hunter and secret admirer of Naryu Virian.5 -
wedgebert✭✭✭✭✭elven.were_wolf wrote: »I just want my 3m detection radius back so I can steal to my hearts content! T^T
I’m jealous that khajiit get freak’n 5m stealth reduction AND 5% pickpocket chance increase! It’s no fair that they are the only race that can play justice content😭😭
They don't have 5m, they still have the 3m they had back when Bosmer were Bosmer and not redguards doing cosplay.
Turns out the 5m meter they tried to give them was OP in that you could pickpocket guards from the front.8 -
Khipu✭✭✭I would imagine the pinned thread
Sejreia-Efeliel-Olympias-Emerald Ire-Asifi Kare-Skips~on~Starfire-Everbloom-Sugrahdun-Elsreia-CeruvalPC NAMMORPG:2004-2019Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty. - @Cundu_Ertur“Keep your face always toward the sunshine - and shadows will fall behind you.” ― Walt Whitman1 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ok I got to talk with someone after the show, they are aware of the thread. And they are working on something. Timetable unknown, I am guessing NOT in Elsweyr.
Overall I had a pretty good day! I am leaving much happier then when I came in.12 -
Khipu✭✭✭Ok I got to talk with someone after the show, they are aware of the thread. And they are working on something. Timetable unknown, I am guessing NOT in Elsweyr.
Overall I had a pretty good day! I am leaving much happier then when I came in.
I love you!Sejreia-Efeliel-Olympias-Emerald Ire-Asifi Kare-Skips~on~Starfire-Everbloom-Sugrahdun-Elsreia-CeruvalPC NAMMORPG:2004-2019Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty. - @Cundu_Ertur“Keep your face always toward the sunshine - and shadows will fall behind you.” ― Walt Whitman7 -
Wildbloom✭✭✭✭Ok I got to talk with someone after the show, they are aware of the thread. And they are working on something. Timetable unknown, I am guessing NOT in Elsweyr.
Overall I had a pretty good day! I am leaving much happier then when I came in.
An update so small and simple, yet so beautiful! And thus, we have been given, at the very least, a sliver of hope."Hello, Skellington Pal! How are you today? Bone dry, you say? I’d offer you a glass of water, but it’d all fall through! I need more coffee."
ZOS_GinaBruno, patch 5.0.1 PTS patch notes, 4/22/20196 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ok I got to talk with someone after the show, they are aware of the thread. And they are working on something. Timetable unknown, I am guessing NOT in Elsweyr.
Overall I had a pretty good day! I am leaving much happier then when I came in.
Huzzah! A small victory! We got some answer and they are working on something!
This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.5 -
Wildbloom✭✭✭✭What do you think it could be? Race-specific armor? More racials? Oh the suspense!"Hello, Skellington Pal! How are you today? Bone dry, you say? I’d offer you a glass of water, but it’d all fall through! I need more coffee."
ZOS_GinaBruno, patch 5.0.1 PTS patch notes, 4/22/20193 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ok I got to talk with someone after the show, they are aware of the thread. And they are working on something. Timetable unknown, I am guessing NOT in Elsweyr.
Overall I had a pretty good day! I am leaving much happier then when I came in.
#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
#OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
|| CP 1000+ || PC/NA || GUILDS: LWH; IA; CH; XA
""All gods' creatures (you lot) are equal when covered in A1 sauce"" -- Old Bosmeri Wisdom5 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
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Well, we will certainly not stop this thread now, right? But I gotta say, I can't stop smiling and feel a lot better already. Even considering to buy Elsweyr! I'll resub and buy Wrathstone when they actually made the change though.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.6 -
Wildbloom✭✭✭✭
Well, we will certainly not stop this thread now, right? But I gotta say, I can't stop smiling and feel a lot better already. Even considering to buy Elsweyr! I'll resub and buy Wrathstone when they actually made the change though.
If they know about the thread and they're reading it, we can start pitching ideas maybe? Good to start now so they don't have to sift through the salt.
I would love a tree for stealth gameplay, complete with skills that would help with thievery and sneaking and all sorts of stealing."Hello, Skellington Pal! How are you today? Bone dry, you say? I’d offer you a glass of water, but it’d all fall through! I need more coffee."
ZOS_GinaBruno, patch 5.0.1 PTS patch notes, 4/22/20192 -
Eiron77✭✭✭✭
Well, we will certainly not stop this thread now, right? But I gotta say, I can't stop smiling and feel a lot better already. Even considering to buy Elsweyr! I'll resub and buy Wrathstone when they actually made the change though.
Meh, I might buy Elsweyr when it goes on sale after a year, IF they make some kind of redemption for this Bosmer for this mess.
UNLESS they make a really damn good change that fixes Bosmer so they're actually Bosmer, then Id buy it full price and resub.
But if it's just a stealth skill line with no specific Bosmer fix... That's not going to be enough for me to come back. They ruined a 5 year character for me that was my only tie in to this game. I just don't have enough free time to level another one from scratch these days. And, for me, its a hell no to making a catman character.5 -
Night_Wolf2112✭✭✭✭Hold up . . . . Don't get too wide eyed on that news! A new stealth skill line/tree does sound very intriguing, but. . . . . Everyone will have access to it, which is good, but does not separate Bosmer as an exceptionally skilled race at stealth. It again, just makes them as good as everyone else except Khajit.13 -
Eiron77✭✭✭✭Hi everyone! Next Saturday, March 30 from 3:30-4:30pm EDT, we’ll be hosting a special livestreamed Q&A straight from Bethesda Game Days in Boston; this will follow the first livestream we have on Friday, March 29 from 6:30-7:30pm EDT where we’ll be showing live gameplay. Our focus for the Q&A will be on Elsweyr, the Necromancer, Sunspire Trial, and features coming to Update 22. If you have any questions that you’d like us to consider for the Q&A, please post them in this thread. Thanks!
Well, it looks like we probably won't have any questions answered regarding the racial overhaul, but there's always a chance. So we'll see.2 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ok I got to talk with someone after the show, they are aware of the thread. And they are working on something. Timetable unknown
So, like the Cyrodiil disconnects and Group Finder bug fixes? They've been working on those for years. Pardon my pessimism, but that sounds rather dismissive.My impression it’s going to be a stand alone stealth skill tree.
If it's available to all, then Bosmer will still be tied for worst stealthy race. Lore is still desecrated.
Would it really be gamebreaking to swap the unusable in PvE and questionably effective in PvP "stealth detection" back to the previous stealth radius reduction, minus the 10% damage bonus?
Edited by Jaraal on March 30, 2019 1:38AM7 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ok let me tell you what was said and how it went down.
While leaving, I bumped into the guy who is in charge of combat and pvp(?) he was on stage during the presentation.
(As a side note, earlier I also had a nice short conversation with the guy in charge of dungeons except I did not recognize him as the guy in charge of dungeons. We had a nice conversation about... Dungeons.)
Anyway, so after some pleasentries I said;
“Ok, I have to ask, Bosmer and stealth.” Just like that.
And he said he knew about the controversy and hinted at this thread. They want to open stealth gameplay to all and they are planning on a dedicated stealth skill line but it’s all very early. He was extremely nice about it and it did not feel like he was trying to push me off with a maybe. We had a short discussion about what the tree might look like and that was it.
I left the conversation very pleased.
Keep in mind that if/when they do implement the tree, bosmers and kahjits May loose anything that says stealth from their passives (this is my supposition not his). Which will even out the stealth issues. I know bosmers won’t be best in stealth, but in Skyrim (eventually) all races can be equally good in stealth and I ok with that.
At least it will be better then what we have currently.
Ok back to driving.Edited by BlueRaven on March 30, 2019 1:47AM13 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ok let me tell you what was said and how it went down.
While leaving, I bumped into the guy who is in charge of combat and pvp(?) he was on stage during the presentation.
(As a side note, earlier I also had a nice short conversation with the guy in charge of dungeons except I did not recognize him as the guy in charge of dungeons. We had a nice conversation about... Dungeons.)
Anyway, so after some pleasentries I said;
“Ok, I have to ask, Bosmer and stealth.” Just like that.
And he said he knew about the controversy and hinted at this thread. They want to open stealth gameplay to all and they are planning on a dedicated stealth skill line but it’s all very early. He was extremely nice about it and it did not feel like he was trying to push me off with a maybe. We had a short discussion about what the tree might look like and that was it.
I left the conversation very pleased.
Keep in mind that if/when they do implement the tree, bosmers and kahjits May loose anything that says stealth from their passives (this is my supposition not his). Which will even out the stealth issues. I know bosmers won’t be best in stealth, but in Skyrim (eventually) all races can be equally good in stealth and I ok with that.
At least it will be better then what we have currently.
Ok back to driving.
Sounds definitely interesting. If they are going to remove the Khajiit 3meter radius and the Bosmer detection to replace it all with a new open system accessible to all, then I'd say Bosmer, Khajiit, Argonians and Dunmer should get progress on that line faster than other races. They are the stealthy races after all.
A "system outside the races" still needs ties to the races, if the racial passives don't cover everything they should. If they don't have these ties and the racial passives stay as they are, then ZOS isn't staying true to their lore and is still messing with one of the Bosmers' core identities.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.10 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ok I got to talk with someone after the show, they are aware of the thread. And they are working on something. Timetable unknown, I am guessing NOT in Elsweyr.
Overall I had a pretty good day! I am leaving much happier then when I came in.
It's hard not to be aware of this thread. It's been on the front page with 100+ upvotes for over a month now. But ZOS being aware of something doesn't mean they will actually do something about it (using the past as precedent, more often than not, they won't do anything about it).Edited by MLGProPlayer on March 30, 2019 2:17AM8 -
Cundu_Ertur✭✭✭✭✭
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Just put it back (minus the bonus damage) and include a note that the racial stealth bonuses are going to be re-evaluated pending a new legerdemain system.If it's available to all, then Bosmer will still be tied for worst stealthy race. Lore is still desecrated.
Would it really be gamebreaking to swap the unusable in PvE and questionably effective in PvP "stealth detection" back to the previous stealth radius reduction, minus the 10% damage bonus?Sounds definitely interesting. If they are going to remove the Khajiit 3meter radius and the Bosmer detection to replace it all with a new open system accessible to all, then I'd say Bosmer, Khajiit, Argonians and Dunmer should get progress on that line faster than other races. They are the stealthy races after all.
A "system outside the races" still needs ties to the races, if the racial passives don't cover everything they should. If they don't have these ties and the racial passives stay as they are, then ZOS isn't staying true to their lore and is still messing with one of the Bosmers' core identities.
At the very least, this.
Still does nothing for the fact that Bosmer are crap archers, though. Ok, fine, they're average archers. But that's the problem.Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.5 -
Alaya✭✭✭I feel like if they'd just like give stealth back and change that dodge roll to something like 3% more damage with ranged weaponry, we'd be fine, right?7 -
A_Silverius✭✭✭✭✭Ok let me tell you what was said and how it went down.
While leaving, I bumped into the guy who is in charge of combat and pvp(?) he was on stage during the presentation.
(As a side note, earlier I also had a nice short conversation with the guy in charge of dungeons except I did not recognize him as the guy in charge of dungeons. We had a nice conversation about... Dungeons.)
Anyway, so after some pleasentries I said;
“Ok, I have to ask, Bosmer and stealth.” Just like that.
And he said he knew about the controversy and hinted at this thread. They want to open stealth gameplay to all and they are planning on a dedicated stealth skill line but it’s all very early. He was extremely nice about it and it did not feel like he was trying to push me off with a maybe. We had a short discussion about what the tree might look like and that was it.
I left the conversation very pleased.
Keep in mind that if/when they do implement the tree, bosmers and kahjits May loose anything that says stealth from their passives (this is my supposition not his). Which will even out the stealth issues. I know bosmers won’t be best in stealth, but in Skyrim (eventually) all races can be equally good in stealth and I ok with that.
At least it will be better then what we have currently.
Ok back to driving.
Thanks for asking on our behalf! Glad you enjoyed your time there:)All over Tamriel, theres a sudden spike in Bosmers getting caught for their crimes. A sad day indeed... #FightForYourRite Give Bosmers back our stealth!4 -
A_Silverius✭✭✭✭✭
Maaaaybeeee, their working on more thieves guild/dark brotherhood story content? I think its about time we got more of those! I do hope that the stuff they are working on includes more options for racial passives though with a skill point limit like 9/9 max racial points to keep things balanced.All over Tamriel, theres a sudden spike in Bosmers getting caught for their crimes. A sad day indeed... #FightForYourRite Give Bosmers back our stealth!4 -
Living_Ded✭✭✭My poor Bosmers were stripped of their racials.
When I read the patch notes I was pretty disappointed.
Just wanted to add my $.02 to make sure we're heard.13
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