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Wood Elf/ Bosmer losing stealth passive, An open letter.

  • Alucardmike
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    wedgebert wrote: »
    shimm wrote: »
    I would just like hunter’s eye changed to... anything else. Worst passive of any racial passive.

    Yes. Something more useful, like +10% cuteness or -5% probabilty to sneeze...

    Careful now, -5% chance to sneeze would be pretty OP during allergy season

    You forgot, that Bosmer have natural immunity to allergy. Or was this also removed like stealth?
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  • Alucardmike
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    Ratzkifal wrote: »
    wedgebert wrote: »
    shimm wrote: »
    I would just like hunter’s eye changed to... anything else. Worst passive of any racial passive.

    Yes. Something more useful, like +10% cuteness or -5% probabilty to sneeze...

    Careful now, -5% chance to sneeze would be pretty OP during allergy season

    You forgot, that Bosmer have natural immunity to allergy. Or was this also removed like stealth?

    Pretty sure Allergy immunity falls under disease resistance, which indeed we lost as well :D

    I think, allergy is more like poison...
    The bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame.
  • BlueRaven
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    I find it a hard concept to believe that wood elves, of all the races, would have issues with pollen.
  • KMarble
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    Left4Daud wrote: »
    @KMarble

    If it's "working as intended" it's fundamentally not broken, by definition. You could argue that it's unbalanced. But it's not actually broken.

    For the record, I was the poster/tester that initially brought Khajiit super stealth stacking to light back during the Wrathstone PTS, which prompted the devs to make the following changes:

    Khajiit

    Feline Ambush: Decreased the reduction of your Stealth radius to 3m from 5m.

    Developer Comment:

    With the introduction of CP scaling with the flat stats of the races, we made sure to make some minor adjustments so Khajiit wouldn't fall behind the other races. The bonus to the stealth radius was also slightly over tuned and allowed you to sneak too effectively. Now, you shouldn't be able to sneak in the face of guards and wave unless you've heavily invested into sneaking with gear and other passives.

    You shouldn't be able to sneak in the face of guards and wave unless you've heavily invested into sneaking with gear and other passives.

    That is from the devs themselves.

    It's working as intended.

    Thank you for correcting me. For some reason, I missed that dev comment. I was wrongly assuming they lowered the stealth back then because it was too much (IMO, it was) and nothing else.

    Now I see that there was another element, which we didn't know about back then, the gear set.
  • BlueRaven
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    Jaraal wrote: »
    And the more I think about it, the more it appears to me that the whole back and forth dialogue between the Khajiit and the Bosmer in Rimmen about who are the better thieves is ZOS' tongue in cheek way of responding to this entire discussion.

    I must have missed this, where is it?
  • KMarble
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    Jaraal wrote: »
    And the more I think about it, the more it appears to me that the whole back and forth dialogue between the Khajiit and the Bosmer in Rimmen about who are the better thieves is ZOS' tongue in cheek way of responding to this entire discussion.

    OT: It isn't the only one "response" to forum threads either. I laughed when I went through the dialogue to get the new inn room.

    That one has nothing what-so-ever to do with this discussion, but I thought it was funny, and a clever way to communicate with parts of their audience.
  • Cundu_Ertur
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    Fine.
    Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.
  • Deathlord92
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    My Breton a better thief then any khajjit or bosmer 😎
  • Cundu_Ertur
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    Jaraal wrote: »
    Tigerseye wrote: »

    I don't particularly want to quit, but if I have to, I will.

    I don't make empty promises.

    Quit both WoW and GW2, with no problems at all and will happily quit this too, if I have to.

    See, this is what I don't understand. Many, many people have said this in this thread, some have actually quit and uninstalled, and virtually nobody is creating new Bosmer characters..... and a total of zero players have said stealth detection is beneficial the way it's currently set up. And we are but a fraction of the frustrated players that also fail to see the logic of this change. But they'd rather feel "right" about the decisions they made, than have happy (and paying) players.

    Somebody help me understand it, because they sure aren't saying anything about it.

    I canceled my subscription and uninstalled after it was clear that the devs wouldn't see reason or didn't care too. I'd been an active player or years, bought DLC, played with streamers on twitch, joined Discord groups, the works. Not a Bosmer player but was disappointing with several poor reasoned choices regarding racial balance, specifically Dunmer, Orc, the ridiculous stamina passive for Altmer but what has been done to Bosmer and the paying customers who've worked on them or years was unforgivable and my final straw.

    ZOS acknowledges the criticism they receive for the heavy handed changes no one likes and their lack of communication but this was just more of the same and they have shown absolutely no inclination of altering their behavior. I've been as ES player far longer than I was an ESO player and had no trouble saving my money for the next ES game where the devs hopefully won't butcher the lore and treat their customers like Guar s'wit.

    but...but...but...you got an awesome
    Edited by Cundu_Ertur on May 29, 2019 2:23AM
    Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.
  • ProbablePaul
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    This thread reads like a bunch of trolling Altmer who, due to their puritanical nature, are inherently blind to their penchant for pretentiousness, ultimately giving their intentions away.

    But in all seriousness, this will never be changed, no matter how long you complain. You say it's about the lore, but I don't think you've read it, because if you did you would find that the changes to Bosmer stealth make sense, especially in the way Bosmeri stealth traits contrast with Khajiiti - it matches their shared conflict well, too. It may be out of context due to the era in which it takes place but - rather than sorting through various books and notes - you can read in "A Dance with Fire" how this all fits for the most part. It fits especially well during the era in which ESO takes place, and the three banners war.

    If you decide to go through all the various notes and text that are from Bosmer lore directly, or referenced by poets or travellers, there's very little mention of 'stealth' in the sense people are interpreting it. The lore that people are misinterpreting has more to do with what's called 'forest-coupling' and any reference to hiding or sneaking is about concealing one's self behind an object, usually at a great distance. The text called 'the rear guard' depicts this well - it's a great little story, too. Yes, they are good thieves, but that is attributed to their dexterity and agility, not their 'stealth' in the this thread wants it to be implemented.

    I do have to thank OP, though; your post encouraged me to read all of the bosmer lore.
    Edited by ProbablePaul on May 29, 2019 4:12AM
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