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A Visual of Khajiit's New Stealth Capability (Stacking is quite extreme)

Left4Daud
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Race changed my master thief Bosmer on the PTS to a Khajiit for whiskers and giggles. I just wanted to see how absurd the new 5 meter bonus to stealth radius would be. You actually cannot get detected by stationary guards/certain mobs AT ALL. The only time a justice NPC could actually detect me was if they pathed right through me, which is trivially easy to avoid. You can even run tight circles around walking guards and they still won't detect you unless you let them walk through you. You can run around, jump and bump into stationary guards all you want and they will never detect you.

Bosmer don't sneak nearly as well on PTS as they can on Live but at least they could directly compete with Khajiit to offer players that like stealth gameplay another racial choice. Khajiit really is the only choice for serious min-max stealth gameplay as of the current Wrathstone PTS.

I am not asking for any nerfs or buffs to either Bosmer, or Khajiit. I have made my peace with the racial changes. I am just showing this information because I don't believe anyone has tested the stealth reduction stacking, and, it can get quite extreme (though what does that matter)? Do with this information what you will.

This guard doesn't even know...

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Literally cannot get closer. Not possible to be detected by a static guard.

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Bonus comparisons below. Some users report achieving the same or similar things on the current patch.

3 Meter Bonus

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5 Meter Bonus

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Among some adds

No sucking this cat's blood, pest!

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Ummm, am I one of them? They seem to think so...

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Edited by Left4Daud on January 24, 2019 4:01PM
  • susmitds
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    Seems identical to what Khajiit characters can do in live. We can hit sneak cap in live as well.
  • Left4Daud
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    nsmurfer wrote: »
    That is very similar to how Khajiit and Bosmer are on live. With Night Mother's Embrace and Night Terror, I can literal do the same on Live, as sneak radius is effective 1, which is the hard lower cap on sneak radius. Khajiit new passive helps those optimize for stealth.
    susmitds wrote: »
    Seems identical to what Khajiit characters can do in live. We can hit sneak cap in live as well.

    @nsmurfer and @susmitds

    did you guys actually test this?

    they are not truly an identical bonus. 3 ≠ 5.

    why with 3 meters bonus in the same set up, I can't get the exact reduction that I can with 5 meters?


    Same bonus as live

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    can you achieve the exact same thing with 3 meters?

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    I’m not quite sure...

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    Edited by Left4Daud on January 24, 2019 4:03PM
  • susmitds
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    @Left4Daud Sneak radius for chars on live is 8m. This becomes 8-3-3-2=0 on live.

    Edit- Never mind. I didn't notice you are in front of the guard. Yeah, then this is a buff to Khajiit. Staying up the night to test DPS is getting to my head.
    Edited by susmitds on January 24, 2019 12:40PM
  • Left4Daud
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    @susmitds

    I showed in pics above that a Khajiit with the Live bonus of 3 meters cannot sneak in the exact capacity as a Khajiit with full PTS passives.

    3 Meters (Live)

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    5 Meters (PTS)

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    Edited by Left4Daud on January 24, 2019 4:05PM
  • susmitds
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    Left4Daud wrote: »
    @susmitds

    I just showed above that a Khajiit with the Live bonus of 3 meters CANNOT sneak as well as Khajiit with the full PTS passives.

    Yeah, I just glanced the screenshot and didn't notice you are in front of the guard and assumed you are behind him.
  • Left4Daud
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    @susmitds

    No worries! Glad we are on the same page now.
  • TheMythicDawn
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    nsmurfer wrote: »
    That is very similar to how Khajiit and Bosmer are on live. With Night Mother's Embrace and Night Terror, I can literal do the same on Live, as sneak radius is effective 1, which is the hard lower cap on sneak radius. Khajiit new passive helps those optimize for stealth.

    @nsmurfer

    no. you "literally" can't.
  • Left4Daud
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    This is definitely a meme in the making Daud

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    FEEL THE POWER OF UNIVERSAL APPLICABILITY

    Heh, awesome. How very cat-like to crawl around an angry Argonian's legs. If your tail brushes against her calf, she won't even notice or attack you!
  • TheMythicDawn
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    This is definitely a meme in the making Daud

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    FEEL THE POWER OF UNIVERSAL APPLICABILITY

    Proof the devs don't test *** before adding it to the game lol
  • TankinatorFR
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    My friend used to complain how stealthy my bosmer nightblade thief was compared to his khajit templar healer...
    Looks like I am gonna be the jealous one now... :'(
    Well, I could still spend more time on my khajit reroll. Wouldn't be the same though...

    Seriously, theses screenshot just look stupid, it look like exploit bug at this point. The funniest thing being that it is not.
    Did the devs even know what they are doing ? Or are they playing the lottery to decide of each number ? :D
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    SodanTok wrote: »
    I vote to nerf this back to 3m and instead give khajiit some sustain.

    No need for nerf,

    Khajit need to keep flavours!

    They don't need to keep something that is better than a 5 piece set bonus and a 3 piece set bonus. It should be 3m at the most.
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    I think they forgot to hardcap the stealth radius at 1.
    Meaning that all stealth bonuses stack, but anything past getting your radius at 1 would be a waste.
    That is how it SHOULD be.

    Obviously its a oversight and needs fixing. But that is what PTS is for. its basically letting us do the Quality assurance bit that other companies do themselves. PTS players should get rewarded for that more often.
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  • Left4Daud
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    I was thinking hostile status might make a difference.
    Edited by Left4Daud on January 24, 2019 4:06PM
  • Ertosi
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    It doesn't. Just saw the thread while I was logging in and immediately took some screenshots wherever I happened to be.

    Edit: Noticed you had a hefty bounty on your head... new to the illustrious job of sneakthieving? ;)
    Edited by Ertosi on January 24, 2019 2:52PM
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  • Ertosi
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    @Left4Daud

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    There you go. Do you know how much trouble it was for a Master Thief to get guards mad enough to not forget you seconds later? And yes, I was bumping him like mad all over his leg like an uncouth canine. What's next? Shall I try to match my outfit style and pet? :P

    But yes, there's a difference between PTS and Live. On PTS everyone is going to be able to do it super easy without needing to worry about gear or passives.
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  • Left4Daud
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    @Ertosi

    Share your secret? On live with the below bonuses I can't replicate what I'm able to do on the PTS.

    7 Medium armor w/ max improved sneak passive
    5 piece Night mothers embrace
    3 piece night terror
    Thieves guild veil passive
    Khajiit/Bosmer stealthy racial

    Edited by Left4Daud on January 24, 2019 3:21PM
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    Left4Daud wrote: »
    And before it gets brought up again, no, you can't sneak this well with a Bosmer OR Khajiit on Live with the current 3 meter bonus.

    You can. You just can't do it without gear. You can get similar results on live with either Night Terror, or Night Mother's Embrace. (You can stack them together for more AI breaking shenanigans, if you really want.)
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